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Open Letter to Trayvon's Father: Sue Zimmerman


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Kit
- 520 days ago - truth-out.org
I have a 16-year old son. I cannot imagine losing him because some beast decided to play Lone Ranger.



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Kit B. (276)
Thursday July 25, 2013, 8:14 pm
Photo: Angel Valentin / The New York Times -- Tracy Martin, father of 17-year-old slain Florida teen Trayvon Martin, at a vigil for his son in downtown Miami, July 20, 2013.


I have a 16-year old son. I cannot imagine losing him because some beast decided to play Lone Ranger.

And so, with cautious humility, I make this suggestion, this plea.

Sue the beast. You must.

I understand you are reluctant to launch another painful trial of uncertain outcome and cost, monetary and emotional. And I know a money judgment won't bring your son home.

But imagine this: George Zimmerman gets a half-million-dollar book deal and $25,000 a pop to appear at gun shows - plus a fee to put his name on a 9mm semi-automatic. The 'Zimmerman Protector.'

There's only one way to put this monster out of business: Justice can only come out of the barrel of a lawsuit.

Only in a lawsuit can you force Zimmerman to the witness stand. That's crucial. In the criminal case, Zimmerman's daddy, a magistrate no less, could say it was poor George yelling for help on that desperate phone call.

In a civil action, your son's lawyer can say to Zimmerman, "Come on, George, let's hear you scream for help. George, let's hear you scream that this skinny kid is going to kill you. Come on, George, show us how Trayvon somehow grabbed your big fat head while he was taking the gun from your hand."

A federal indictment won't do that: Zimmerman can't be called as a witness in a criminal case. A federal trial won't disgrace Zimmerman nor stop him from getting rich off your son's corpse.

A civil trial has none of that "reasonable doubt" crap that can get Zimmerman off the hook with some fantasy story about Trayvon as the dangerous aggressor. Zimmerman's consigliere said it was Trayvon’s own fault he was murdered. The “decision [to get shot] was in Trayvon Martin's hands more than my client's.” Do you want that to be the last word about your son?

Maybe you don't want the money. OK, then: Set up a foundation and make Zimmerman turn over all that blood money, those book deals and gun show fees, to the Trayvon Foundation. Make him work every day of his lousy life for Trayvon.

There’s another advantage to civil action. To be blunt, you won't have to rely on painfully befuddled prosecutors like the ones we witnessed in that courtroom. In a lawsuit, you can choose the best legal gunslingers in the country.

I'm not guessing about that. I asked fearsome Florida trial lawyer Mike Papantonio if he and his partner, civil rights attorney Bobby Kennedy Jr., would take on the case if called. Papantonio said his firm is standing by, ready to help your legal team if asked. And I have no doubt there are other great plaintiff lawyers who would leap to your cause.

Americans love to complain that there are "too many lawyers." I agree that if some corporate defense lawyers drown in their hot tubs, only their mothers should cry. But it is our unique system of tort law that gives Americans the true Hammer of Justice. Plaintiff lawsuits, even more than government agencies or the FBI, are what keep drug companies from poisoning us and keep dangerous toys from maiming our kids. And, using section 1983 of the federal civil rights statute, it’s the power of the plaintiffs’ bar that stops racist jerks from denying jobs, mortgages and freedoms to people of color.

And there's one final reason to bring a civil action. Let the word go forth to any Zimmerman wannabe dreaming that wealth and admiration requires only their hunting down another dark-skinned kid in a hoodie: Maybe sick Florida law will keep you out of prison, but you will have your sorry ass dragged onto a witness stand, where you will be ripped up, ruined and busted for the rest of your life.

So I'm asking you, as one dad to another, stand your ground and sue this killer - for Trayvon and for all our kids.

With respect,

Greg Palast
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Esther Z. (96)
Thursday July 25, 2013, 8:47 pm
Noted.
Tracy Martin looks so heartbroken, and rightly so. I do hope Mr. Martin and Trayvon's mom, Sybrina Fulton do file a civil suit, and take Zimmerman's every last dime!
 

Kit B. (276)
Thursday July 25, 2013, 9:38 pm

There is a pain that is so deep only those who lived it can know. I don't think Tracy Martin wants revenge, but if he has not given up, maybe a little justice. For the horrible pain that will haunt both Tracy and Sybrina for as long as they draw breath, something positive could still come of this. I don't want to see Zimmerman grow wealthy from murder.
 

Candy L. (476)
Thursday July 25, 2013, 10:52 pm
Don't like Greg Palast comment on I have a 16-year old son. I cannot imagine losing him because some beast decided to play Lone Ranger..Zimmerman Is No Lone Ranger, If Greg, knew anything about the Lone Ranger he never would have added in his story. Zimmerman was the guy that Tonto & The Lone Ranger would hunt down, & then turn them over to the Sheriff there was No killing. Yes Martin Family should Sue!
 

JL A. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 7:24 am
Thankfully the Archer Justice has more than one quiver available. The juror who publicly let it be known their initial jury vote was murder might provide clue to strength of case for wrongful death suit.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 7:44 am

Actually, I didn't care for that characterization of the Lone Ranger either, but the letter offered so much more.
 

Tamara Noforwardsplz (185)
Friday July 26, 2013, 8:00 am
It is utterly heartbreaking to see the pain in Tracy Martin's eyes. I sincerely hope he does sue. The Zimmerman's of this world need to understand that while they may have snowed the jury, due to poor case handling of the prosecutors, there are millions of us out here who know the truth. And I think Zimmerman should have to pay out the nose for the rest of his lousy life. Let him feel the sting of losing every dime he makes off the heartbreak and agony he has caused this family and friends.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Friday July 26, 2013, 9:09 am
Zimmerman was not guilty. Any emotion filled monstrosity would not be justice. Martin did assault Zimmerman. people who keep stirring up emotion rather than reading the laws need to get into studying. More state are going to follow as the vast majority of citizens are tired of the criminals and bullies. They want to defend themselves and their property that they worked hard for. That means shooting their attackers,the burglars the home invaders. in the end people do not want to give in to these attackers.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Friday July 26, 2013, 10:37 am
Martin did not invade Zimmerman's house, push his way into his car, or steal from him. Zimmerman got out of his car with a loaded gun and followed Martin - he was wrong from the very beginning. He made assumptions based on his bigotry and whatever happened after that is Zimmerman's fault. That is not emotion, that is cold, hard fact.
 

Angelika R. (144)
Friday July 26, 2013, 12:16 pm
I think Greg Palace wrote a great letter, very empathetic, moving, straight from the heart, driven by the incredible injustice and his deep frustration and anger over it, that most of us certainly share. I fully support his view.
 

Stardust Noel (52)
Friday July 26, 2013, 12:43 pm
I don't know what happened except there was a trial, & a verdict. Both were in the wrong..............Trayvon was with his father , because his mother sent him there because she could not " handle " him, he also had a criminal record, & was known to use drugs, there is no winner here, but it should be " let go", stop causing more trouble , & pain.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday July 26, 2013, 12:59 pm
Scott, if you believe what you wrote you must have an IQ lower than room temperature in an air conditioned theater with no customers. He was found not guilty by a panel of jurors who were given faulty instructions by the judge and mislead by a prosecutor who threw the case and a defense lawyer who lied through his teeth and was never corrected. I'd say that since he was never in jeopardy a very good case could be made for retrying him since no jeopardy was ever attached.

Oh, BTW, Greg Palast is an even better investigative reporter than Matt Taibbi.
 

Janet G. (0)
Friday July 26, 2013, 1:00 pm
I don't pretend to know all of the facts; only know a young man died because someone decided to be a vigilante. Knowing the truth would be justice for Trayvon.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday July 26, 2013, 1:01 pm
And I very much doubt he was referring to the Lone Ranger story, but to the common usage of lone ranger as a metaphor for a vigilante acting in his own behalf.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday July 26, 2013, 1:02 pm
One thing is for certain, the Martins have far more class than the Zimmermans.
 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Friday July 26, 2013, 1:38 pm
Trayvon Martin's Dad A Freemason? [EXPOSED]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-uVlrhVAuc
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Friday July 26, 2013, 1:52 pm
"Maybe sick Florida law will keep you out of prison, but you will have your sorry ass dragged onto a witness stand, where you will be ripped up, ruined and busted for the rest of your life. "

There is more than one type of prison. There is the traditional bricks and mortar prison,.but then there is the prison of your own actions, consigned to the affects of your actions.

Greg Palast has written a powerful letter that I hope Trayvon's father takes to heart. To me, this is not about revenge, but about justice. Nothing can bring Trayvon back. But if other Trayvon's can be helped and justice done, then go for it. Mike Papantonio and Bobby Kennedy Jr --- that sounds like an awesome team.
 

Audrey B. (0)
Friday July 26, 2013, 2:05 pm
I agree I think GZ & TM both made bad decisions. One thing that really bothers me about this case is the parents using a picture of TM as a younger child, in order to be totally fair, we should see what TM looked like to GZ that night, maybe he truly looked threatening. Yes GZ should have stayed in his car, he starting following TM, yes I understand GZ might have been a wannabe cop, which is not against the law and police told him to stand down, still not against the law, but eventually GZ was heading back towards his truck, and TM hung up the phone and returned to GZ to find out why he was following TM. A confrontation occurred, they had words, they wrestled TM managed to get on top of GZ banging his head on the concrete, GZ reached for his gun and shot TM he felt in self-defense.

Unfortunately the combination of decisions, caused someone to be killed. #1 GZ following TM, #2 TM coming back for a confrontation #3 Words exchanged, fists exchanged and someone went down to the ground #4 A struggle occurred #5 a fatality.

Trayvon was found w/drugs in his system, his mother kicked him out of her house that day, she could not handle him anymore, he had a criminal record, he hit a bus driver in the face, he had burglary tools on him, he was suspended from school caught w/stolen items & jewelry. He was not an angel. His temper was running on " high" that day for personal reasons. You put the 2 together and there was a bad outcome. So I find them both Guilty.

I don't think GZ should be allowed to make money over this tragedy. I think half the money should go to GZ favorite charity and the other half of the money should go to TM's charity his parents started. And they both should be require to show receipts of doing so. Letting attorneys handle the transactions. No one should profit.

My heart goes out to TM parents, its just not natural to lose your kids first, but unfortunately it does happen in many ways. Its not a club you want to be a member of. I have been a member since 2004 I lost 2 to unforeseen illnesses.
 

Sheri Schongold (7)
Friday July 26, 2013, 2:28 pm
Zimmerman wasn't playing Lone Ranger. The Lone Ranger is a good guy. Zimmerman is not. I believe that a civil suit against him is necessary if only to learn the truth and or hear what the vigilante has to say. I sure wouldn't want him in my neighborhood and I wouldn't want him to profit anything from this tragedy. He has to be made to answer for what he did. He killed and unarmed person, he is full of bulls**t and bigotry and is a cocky sob. I know that's not nice to say, but that's what he is. I am glad I was not among the people in the car he "saved". I'm not sure saving by him is anything to write home about.
 

Robert K. (31)
Friday July 26, 2013, 3:42 pm
Zimmermn had a record as a thug, Martin didn't. Zimmerman had only a small scrape when he came into the police station which a paramedic fixed with a Band-Aid. he never had his head smashed into or with concrete. All the damage occurred after he was placed in lockup. The "drugs" found in Martin's system was a tiny amount of THC which could well have been from a couple tokes on a joint a month earlier. Additionally, all the right wing lie sites claim Zimmerman was doing his Neighborhood Watch job despite the fact that he was NOT a member of any neighborhood watch program except the one in his fevered brain.

And when he got out of the car he instigated the occurrence, and the instigator has NO stand your ground protection. The judge falsely told the jury they could take stand your ground into their deliberations and didn't point out that every charge the defense made was a complete lie made up out of thin air.

So, frankly, anyone who takes Zimmerman's side is without question either a racist or an idiot.
 

jess b (24)
Friday July 26, 2013, 3:49 pm
It really gets me, when there is a horrible tragedy (or not) and people say that both people made "mistakes".
Well, we ALL make "mistakes", EVERY DAY - and we don't ALL get killed for it.
(ARre the dogs that get shot, or their owners, responsible for THEIR DEATHS, killed due to excessive force? NO!
THIS IS SO RIDICULOUS.
there is a serious lack of emotional intelligence in this country!
Emotional intelligence is an essential part of intelligence- and seriously lacking, in such a society that cannot adequatel,y or honestly,address it's own immaturity, selfishness, and hypocrisy - toward itself, one another and the rest of the world.
That is, a generalization - and one that applies to many places, over time.
But, when it comes to reasoning, umderstanding and self examination, the cowardice or dysfunction of individuals, in these mental and emotional capacities damages the fabric of our whole culture, and leaves the kids and the future, easily in the hands of those, who would take advantage of ignorance, or the pathetic reduction of people's "thinking" to the lowest common denominator.
People in Europe are astonished at the verdict in this horrible travesty of justice.
What a mockery of justice - a jury of "peers"?? NO!!
all women? all white, it seems. Where were the males on the jury! the young men? Mixed cultural background means, just that.
The judge suppressed evidence - notably, the tapes and voice recognition experts. That alone, I think, is grounds for a retrial/mistrial and civil suit.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (283)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:08 pm
Very moving
 

Ge M. (218)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:09 pm
Carrie, I take it you are referring to one of the two emails floating around the internet. If you look at the picture you will find that it is actually a picture of a 30 year old rapper called Game http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/jul/17/chain-email/real-photo-trayvon-martin-chain-email-says-so/ It is a blatant attempt to make the kid look bad and Zimmerman look good, it is crap and you were far to quick to jump on the band wagon to pass the lie on. I would ask you to refute it whenever it is sent to you.

For information on Trayvon http://trayvonmartinfoundation.org/about/

The other email says that Zimmerman rescued a family from a burning SUV and then explains why it was right to kill him because the author had been in a similar situation. More crap. It is almost impossible for a car to catch fire, any mechanic will tell you that and Mythbusters has proven it.

I hope that the family follow this advice and get Zimmerman on the stand. The infamous and appalling American legal system has failed yet again. And yes Kit, I do know about your legal system and nowhere is there any justice in it nor any rights for blacks or other minorities.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:19 pm

I think that the story Cary V is talking about is this one:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/trayvon-martin/os-george-zimmerman-truck-rescue-20130722,0,6349930.story

That still does not change a thing in the murder of Trayvon Martin.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:21 pm

No, Gillian - actually what you do not know could fill volumes.
 

Vicky P. (466)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:37 pm
some people in here supporting Zimmerman, it's just pathetic, rethink your life and why you believe someone walking home innocently is guilty. Maybe a bit racist like Zimmerman? even fox news supported his dumbass, you know something is wrong when it's supported by them and their commentators.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 4:40 pm

Right you are, Vicky.
 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Friday July 26, 2013, 5:30 pm
The actual link i was looking at the other day is now taken down, hmmmmm
http://xavianthaze.blogspot.ca/2013/07/trayvon-martin-thug-life-gone-wrong-or_20.html

Also a lot of pics in his free-mason getup.
What do you have to give up to get that high up in the organization?
The truth usually gets pulled by the schillscouts.
Anyways, don't be too quick to start a race war or you could be in the middle of martial law real quick.
Don't allow them to implement their well thought out devious plans on you.
REMEMBER please how they do it- ORDER out of dis order, Their order. steam rolled over you.
Has a second boss ever been better than the first boss? they are all working for, well, not you.

 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 5:39 pm

There is a lot nonsense out there. I do not know and I doubt any one can prove that Martin is a member of the Masonic Lodge, if so good for him. It's a fraternity, nothing more. Trayvon was not over 6 feet tall he was 5'11'' and 158 lbs - according the only report that matters, the medical examiner. He was not a thug, did fairly well in school and is the victim here. Trayvon owes no apology for walking while black. Zimmerman could have done as he was told - stayed in the car.

Please allow this child to rest in peace. He is the victim and is dead.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Friday July 26, 2013, 5:58 pm
Adding my support for a lawsuit, too. An adult left his vehicle against the explicit directions of superiors to stay put. He then stalked an unarmed teenager and murdered him. Period.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 6:01 pm

That is correct Lois and the rest is 100% irrelevant.
 

GGmaSheila D. (169)
Friday July 26, 2013, 6:16 pm
We can never know what would have happened if Zimmerman had stayed in his car. I suspect...Nothing. Possibly they both would be alive today. This is immaterial because Zimmerman DID get out...the minute he did that he was the instigator.

I add my name to the growing list of those who say take the man to the cleaners. A life was taken - he should not be making money off of that, especially when he started the confrontation.
Read the well-written letter with complete agreement. Thank you.
 

Kit B. (276)
Friday July 26, 2013, 6:23 pm

Thank you GGma Sheila. People are making up all kinds of stories to assuage their own feelings. It is all immaterial, Zimmerman knew nothing about Martin, his past, his father or any of the rest of this nonsense.

Zimmerman saw a young black man, and in that he assumed he saw a potential criminal. He acted on the belief that Trayvon MIGHT not belong in the neighborhood. Assumptions can be killers.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Friday July 26, 2013, 7:31 pm
Cary - Wyatt Earp was a Freemason, so is/was most of the British rpyal family, Duke Ellington, John Elway, Gerald Ford, Benjamin Franklin, John Glenn, Virgil Frissom, John Hancock, J Edgar Hoover, Harry Houdini, Willie Mays, "Buzz" Aldrin, Ethan Allen, John Paul Jones, George Washington, and many, many others.

Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart was a Freemason, and his opera The Magic Flute is based on Masonic ideas. Roughly half of the founding fathers were Freemasons, and those who were not spoke highly of it; without those who were Freemasons, we could not have won the American Revolution. The reverse of our dollar bill contains Masonic imagery.

You have a problem with the Freemasons?
 

Barbara DeFratis (23)
Friday July 26, 2013, 8:47 pm
Thank You, Kit, Signed and shared.
 

Sue Clayton (8)
Friday July 26, 2013, 10:45 pm
After reading the letter and all comments here, I just thought I'd remind you all that this is a CARE2 page and some of you aren't quite showing the CARE I believe is appropriate regarding the case in question. A FAMILY HAS LOST A CHILD! Show some empathy NOT arguments. If you choose to disagree with those who empathise, I don't think this is the right place to do so.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Friday July 26, 2013, 10:59 pm
Agreed Robert K, including your point that Zimmerman was not in the neighbourhood watch program. Teresa B made the following comment on July 23 concerning Zimmerman in an article pertaining to the issue and Teresa B provided an interesting link:

"GZ was NOT even a member of his neighborhood watch, let alone his claims of being a Captain. He's had a violent history, and even the neighborhood watch didn't want him:

http://thegrio.com/2012/03/21/zimmerman-not-a-member-of-recognized-neighborhood-watch-organization/

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/zimmerman-could-still-be-charged-for-a-hate-crime.html#ixzz2aDmOCGUh

Zimmerman is a vigilante, he got out of the car when a law enforcement employee instructed him not to. He instead went looking for trouble by stalking a teenager on his way home instead of waiting for the law who have professional training to assess the situation. Whatever happened occurred because he could not follow advice and remain where he was. He stereotyped a teen and basically got away with murder/manslaughter even if the jury did not find him guilty.

For the far right, it can be seen as a victory for an 'open season' on minority groups. Just give the same 'defence' as Zimmerman if one sees some person walking alone at night and say that one was threatened and in 'danger.' Then shoot them. In Florida at least this works for some.

Hopefully a civil suit can be launched. It is terrible that Zimmerman could profit out of this situation. If he does the monies should go to the Martin family, not Zimmerman. The idea of a gun called the ‘Zimmerman Protector’ is absolutely appalling and stokes the egos of Zimmerman and all other would be vigilantes.

Agreed GGma Sheila, the moment that Zimmerman got out of that car, he was the instigator. Most certainly, take Zimmerman to the cleaners, a clean sweep of any profits that he makes from the killing of Trayvon Martin should flow to Trayvon's family and certainly not to Zimmerman.

Right wing blogs are doing all they can to discredit Trayvon Martin. There is no emotionalism here, Scott haakon, simply disgust that a man could get away with shooting a 17-year-old, a man who stalked him against the express advice of law enforcement.

No man should have to bury his 17-year-old son, especially when it comes to a person like Zimmerman with dubious motives indeed.
 

Michael Carney (212)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 12:28 am
I am sorry for Mr. Martin's loss...I also feel that justice was not done in this trial...While I wasn't there, and don't know what happened, I do know that Zimmerman, was advised by the Police Dispatcher, to not get out of his car, and follow Trayvon...Instead, he didn't listen, and took a loaded gun and stalked the kid...What happened after that no one really knows...I just feel in my heart Trayvon Martin should not be dead and that he is, and his killer got away with it, justice was not done......As far as a Civil Suit, that will be up to Trayvon's Parents...I know that sooner or later Karma is going to come face to face with George Zimmerman, and then justice will be done...Count on it!!!
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 12:45 am
Greg Palast’s eloquent letter to Trayvon Martin’s father expressed many valid points. Certainly no father expects to bury his own teenaged son. No parent wants to go through that agony. I know my own father went through that when his son, who was at least able to reach his 50s, before dying in an accident that was the fault of another because one wanted to get from point A to B a few moments faster. That is agonizing enough but the idea that a father loses a son as a result of a pointless and senseless shooting that would never have happened had Zimmerman followed the advice of law enforcement and remained in his car until the professional law enforcement officers could arrive at the scene is also devastating. Trayvon Martin was walking, not breaking into anyone’s home.

Some have stated that perhaps Travyon Martin had been smoking pot or whatever in the past as if smoking pot entitles another to ruin a reputation. How many politicians in power now have had a bit of pot when they were teenagers, especially ones from the 60’s generation? Or high powered businessmen/women?

Greg Palast realizes that many fathers just may want to grieve and be done with it, to get away from the crowds, the media and be left alone. Perhaps in the end that is what Tracy Martin will do, no one really knows. Palast, knowing that there are choices still to be made did choose to write to him in an open letter:

“Maybe you don't want the money. OK, then: Set up a foundation and make Zimmerman turn over all that blood money, those book deals and gun show fees, to the Trayvon Foundation. Make him work every day of his lousy life for Trayvon.”

For many, both the family and many in society, the emotional sucker punch of feeling that the system has let the family down, that nothing further can be done to stem the tide of injustice Palest is certainly adamant in his open letter that there is still hope which could bring about a semblance of justice. Otherwise the verdict is an open invitation to those racists wishing to rise again like ugly and vindictive phoenixes, oozing from the ashes while nursing their open wounds such as all those advances over the decades of the long battle for civil rights, the end of going to the back of the bus and other indignities inflicted blacks. For true racists, they have never gotten over this anymore than they have gotten over the election of President Obama. The very idea that ugly racism can be rewarded by the financial gain that is now within Zimmerman’s grasp is even more odious given his actions that fateful night. Certainly Palast is very clear his belief that simmering racism was part and parcel of the events that night.

“And there's one final reason to bring a civil action. Let the word go forth to any Zimmerman wannabe dreaming that wealth and admiration requires only their hunting down another dark-skinned kid in a hoodie: Maybe sick Florida law will keep you out of prison, but you will have your sorry ass dragged onto a witness stand, where you will be ripped up, ruined and busted for the rest of your life.”

As a father, Palast can only imagine the pain that Tracy Martin endures when Palast who also has a son writes: “So I'm asking you, as one dad to another, stand your ground and sue this killer - for Trayvon and for all our kids.”
 

Inge Bjorkman (147)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 12:49 am
Sue the beast., and no more racist chatter

Make Love not Racism
 

Malgorzata Zmuda (184)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 9:52 am
A podobno człowiek to najmądrzejsza istota na ziemi. Prawo Boże mówi: nie zabijaj! Nikogo!
 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 10:28 am
Joanne, have you ever really studied the freemason's and the Illuminati, secret societies, bloodlines,and shadow governments ? The fix has been in for centuries to control the human race, but if you don't know about this control system I don't know what else I can say that would help you understand these hidden facts of life.
 

Dave C. (227)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 10:33 am
excellent idea, excellent article........

 

monka blanke (82)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 11:57 am
:... “So I'm asking you, as one dad to another, stand your ground and sue this killer - for Trayvon and for all our kids.” That says all.
 

Kit B. (276)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 12:00 pm

Puffs of air Cary, nothing but exaggerated puffs of air. The Illuminati existed for about ten years in the late 1770's for the single purpose of offering education to the people and sharing knowledge with each other. They were killed by the Catholic church, and the Illuminati was ended. The Masons are group or fraternity, they are losing and not gaining membership, mostly they work for community based charity projects. Yes, we all know about the big deal conspiracy theories but you have offered this as it relates to Mr Martin. If the Mason's are powerful and Mr Martin were so high up in this "super secret and all powerful" group why didn't they just arrange for the verdict Mr Martin wanted. Illogical and irrational to assume that an all powerful group would allow a member to not get some justice.

Can we now leave this nonsense?
 

Stardust Noel (52)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 12:41 pm
You are right, Cary..............& by keeping this going on & on forever, like this discussion is, is just helping those wanting to start the race war, I too am leaving this nonsence page.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 3:27 pm
Thanks Kit.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 4:12 pm
My heart goes out to Trayvon's father and mother. Thank you.
 

Ann Breeden (65)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 5:16 pm
I hope Trayvon's parents sue. Zimmerman needs to go on the stand and tell the truth.
 

marie c. (168)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 5:20 pm
Oh what pain these parents are going through
Thanks Kit
 

ALEXANDER Kovesy (2)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 5:31 pm
WHAT ABOUT THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AND THE JUDGE???? THIS ISN'T THE FIRST AND I SUPPECT NOT THE LAST TIME THAT A CASE WILL BE DELIBERATLY MANIPULATED. SURELY IT'S TIME TO PUSH FOR SOME CHANGES IN THE SYSTEM AND THE PEOPLE DISPENSING/ADMINISTERING IT ???? LOOKING ON, ONE GETS THE FEELING THAT "JUSTICE" IS OR BECOMES WHATEVER THE JUDGE DECIDES IT WILL BE. WITHOLD EVIDENCE, OR DECLARE INADMISSIBLE, OR WHATEVER ELSE NEEDS TO BE CHANGED TO ENSURE A PREDETERMINED OUTCOME, INCLUDING MISDIRECTION OF THE JURY, MISLEADING THE JURY ETC. ETC. I MEAN WHY BOTHER WITH A TRIAL AT ALL?? OTHER THAN FOR THE MONEY TO BE MADE FROM IT BY THE PEOPLE EMPLOYED TO ACT IN THE CHARADE.
 

jess b (24)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 5:38 pm
I tried to post something, but it didn't work.
I am trying to remember to say what I had posted.
In the tragic loss of Trayvon, his family live, daily, the pain and anguish of all the aftermath. I feel deeply for this family.
It is painful enough that there was no justice in the verdict.
To see a lack of personal responsibility and remorse is truly despicable. The denial, and complete lack of accountability toward the Martin family, and the unnecessary killing of their son, truly appalls me. To see a complete lack of remorse and personal acknowledgement in the responsibility for the loss of a life, is beyond my understanding. It is to be expected, but nevertheless, I find it despicable. For me, it is the way of a cowardly, and emotionally depraved person. To such a person, personal accountability is just something to cast onto others, never oneself.
One cannot expect anything like remorse from such a weak, cowardly person, except maybe, distortions to hide the truth.
There are many out there like this, in part. mostly, they don't go around targeting people on the street, carrying concealed weapon; they do other rotten things.

There is a history of many travesties of justice and verdicts, both in favor of defendants - and against innocent people.
I hope that the whole Martin family can know that many of us, everywhere, will not forget, and will support them, whatever it is.

 

Donna G. (38)
Saturday July 27, 2013, 8:35 pm
I have commented about the killing before on various articles through Care2 and RSN. George Zimmerman's trial was a farce. I think Trayvon's father, if not both parents, should take George to civil court. He was responsible for the death of their son. George had the gun, Trayvon just had candy and tea. People say that George was in the right to defend himself; but, what about Trayvon's right to stand his ground? For those who live in Florida and understand that Stand Your Ground law, does it only work one way? Like if you have a gun, then you have more of a right to defend yourself, than somebody who doesn't have a gun? I am really bothered by a society that feels guns are the answer to life's little problems. Instead of standing his ground, George Zimmerman should have stood down.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 1:47 am
Interesting, Cary Vizzutti says that: "I am not trying to disrupt only trying to inform the cattle." Cattle? Oh, well…at least we aren't called the 'sheeple,' I suppose.


Yes, a lot of ‘conspiracy theories’ out there. I heard via the space time continuum that the Zygourds from the planet Gourdia are dropping in to enslave all of mankind next week, so party up as our freedom is just about over. Bad news for the NRA types. The Zygourds will of course, enslave those humans planning to enslave humankind...The Illuminate, the Free Masons along with the New World Order and Monsanto thrown in as well as the rest of us. Out of those, only Monsanto/GMO is the real threat. Of course if we are enslaved from another world some of us who harbour prejudices now will finally begin to see all humankind as equal and valid.


Of course, the idea that people are trying to start a 'race war' by bringing attention to the injustices of the divide out there is an interesting concept into the conservative mind...some of the conservative blogs are into this ‘race war’ thing. More conspiracies.


http://gawker.com/5912132/are-you-prepared-for-the-race-war


Pointing out the needs for a 'cattle'-alyst (catalyst) of change in attitude for some might make liberal types seem to be ‘cattle’ in the opinion of some looking at life from the right wing perspective and the liberals are simply…one of the 'herd’ so to speak …such persons no doubt want to use cattle prods on those of us pointing out that had Trayvon Martin been white, would Zimmerman have even gotten out of his car and followed him against the police dispatcher's advice?


Kit B stated: “If the Mason's are powerful and Mr. Martin were so high up in this "super secret and all powerful" group why didn't they just arrange for the verdict Mr. Martin wanted. Illogical and irrational to assume that an all powerful group would allow a member to not get some justice.”


Careful, Kit B…powerful logic like that might be too much for some to digest! It will at least ruin their day. Just think, the person beside me in the health food store just might be a Freemason bent on a mission of global subjugation! Is it safe to leave the house or should I stockpile bags of marshmallows for ‘The Resistance’ to pelt at the latest conspiracy takeover force?

I was rather surprised by the composition of the jury, seems most unfair. There was one juror who was not really pleased with the outcome of the verdict.

Agree with Donna G.
 

Anne P. (251)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 6:45 am
Excellent commentary by Greg Palast. I agree ... thanks for posting, Kit!
 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 9:43 am
Where was your outrage when this event happened ?

Black Neighborhood Watchman Kills White Teen Boy: The Black George Zimmerman You’re Not Allowed To Know About

http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/07/black-neighborhood-watchman-kills-white-teen-boy-the-black-george-zimmerman-youre-not-allowed-to-know-about-2537178.html

Does the mainstream media in America have an agenda in the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case? There was certainly a media influenced uproar surrounding the case; why didn’t they pay as much attention when a black neighborhood watchman shot and killed a white teen boy? This is the story that the mainstream media in America doesn’t want you to know about, the story of a black man who, when attacked by a 17 year old white boy, did what he felt like he had to do to survive and shot and killed the unarmed teen. Mr. Roderick Scott is the size of an NFL linebacker. Christopher Cervini was a skinny, 17-year old kid. Mr. Roderick Scott was found innocent for reason of self-defense. The must watch videos below tell the story, a sickening story of a mainstream media in America with an agenda, a story that they don’t want you to know about.

 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 10:44 am

An agenda for factual information - yes. Better yet, why didn't you bother to check out the facts on this case?
You didn't bother and neither did your "source" to give the date or place the event happened.

http://rochester.ynn.com/content/top_stories/490926/jury-finds-roderick-scott-not-guilty/

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/roderickscott.asp

Your aching desire to make this about some element of reverse discrimination is overtly pathetic.

Once again, your "sources" make up information about weight age and size of the individuals involved. Alex Jones and company are having a field day of misinformation.



 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 11:00 am
thank you for the stars people- you know who you are. Sorry Kit, not everyone agrees with you, not even close. That sound you just heard are the real facts you missed zooming over your head. Some day soon it will be a little more clear to you, until then continue knowing it all. Peace for all.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 11:15 am
@ Cary
"Does the mainstream media in America have an agenda in the Trayvon Martin – George Zimmerman case?"

I would HOPE that they do- the agenda being- that it is inherently socially unacceptable to walk up to someone and kill them because you don't like the way they look.

Trayvon Martin was committing NO CRIME- yet he was stalked by George Zimmerman with a loaded weapon and harassed over for buying a bag of Skittles- even after Zimmerman was told to stay in his car by 911 police operator.

That story in itself ought to create outrage, even if race was not involved. But race WAS involved and Martin was shot for no other reason than Zimmerman did not like the way he "looked".

What was so threatening to Zimmerman? The bag of Skittles? If a bag of Skittles frightens you, you should never have been a "watchman" to begin with.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 11:54 am

Yeah, Nyack when you could be following Alex Jones like a heart sick puppy dog you are out looking for actual news. What is the matter with you, Nyack?

Wacky Cary has all the conspiracy news one could swallow and swallow she does. Open minds to Alex Jones, now that is funny. Hurry of now Cary, Sarah Palin is calling.

 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 12:11 pm
@ Cary
"Tell us Nyack, do you still believe ANYTHING the main stream media tells us."

No Cary- not really- but DO TELL how it is that you believe the media stories about zig zag rolling papers, jewelry , and the breakin tools for jacking cars.

LOL- seems you bought someones Media story as well.

Continue to cherry pick the news "facts" that suit your agenda the best- as if no one would notice that.
 

Cary Vizzutti (8)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 1:44 pm
Who said anything about Alex Jones Kit?don;t go wacky on us now. You need to widen your horizons a bit more and look everywhere for your news.

@ Nyack, No Cary- not really- but DO TELL how it is that you believe the media stories about zig zag rolling papers, jewelry , and the breakin tools for jacking cars.
You have to look for them and do your own due diligence and always question the official story, spend some time out of your comfort zone and see where the chips lay after that. Time for all of us to tie down the thinking cap and start using it more..

You don,t find these stories in the Laim Stream media- that,s my point. You need to check out many sources, from many places so you can hear other sides of their realities or facts and come to your own conclusion based on that.
If you spend more time doing that than watching the propaganda tube you might form different opinions.
I got rid of my cable TV a few years ago. That stopped them from giving me their opinion through repeated brainwashing. Sorry, I keep my options open and always look for the truth, even if I don't like the answeres.
 

Nyack Clancy (453)
Sunday July 28, 2013, 3:34 pm
I have come to my own conclusions, Cary- iI just don't buy into the story that YOU are trying to sell.

And I don't- because I DO draw my own conclusions (NOT YOURS), and am not subject to brainwashing.

That fact that you think I have been brainwashed into believing anything, tells me all I need to know about you, and on what kind of "evidence" you draw your analytical conclusions from.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 5:01 am
Repeated brainwashing comes from drinking that Harper/teabagger Kool-aid, 'evidence' such as faux news and sun news.
 
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