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This is not a long video, but it does offered some interesting and thought provoking ideas. No harm or insult to anyone or any god is intended, only the provocation of ideas to share and open a dialogue.

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Craig Pittman (52)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 10:43 am
Fascinating and enlightening. It would seem there really is nothing new under the sun. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could all set aside dogma and respect other people and their belief systems.

Kit B (276)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 12:57 pm

It would be grand, Craig.

Mitchell D (87)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 5:54 pm
In "The World Until Yesterday, What We Can Learn From Traditional Societies," Jared Diamond suggests that our traditional constant search for the causes of danger may have contributed to religion's origins. "Religion's near ubiquity among human societies suggests that it fulfills important functions, regardless of whether its claims are true."
Preliterate societies developed concepts that helped them in trying to get a grasp on the myriad dangers of the world, such as volcanic explosions, that they saw as somehow caused by an active agent, for example, and made up stories to explain why that agent would do something like that to them.
We are the recipients of similar fairy tales, and we still think that a magical agent is responsible, and we surround him with winged magical beings, and some of us might even believe a new story, that "God must have needed Michael Jackson more than we did."
'Nuff said!

Mitchell D (87)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 5:59 pm
Anyone looking for more ideas of the origin of religion might read "Hamlet's Mill," by Giorgio de Santillana (of MIT) and Hertha von Dechend. This is sa phenomenal book about the origins of knowledge, and of ancient myths that seem to span the globe.

Saturday December 28, 2013, 7:04 pm
The only true and pure religion is to love and help one another, and to live out our life out in peace with ourselves and with others. Science states as a fact that we are only 20 or 25 years from exhausting the world’s resources and assuring the destruction of the human race and of the animal and plant kingdoms. If we do not turn away from the god of “self-worship” who pervades our modernistic society. If we fail to embrace love, respect, and equality for all our fellow human beings, the animals and the plant life of the earth, then any and all man-made religions will in the end be deemed, worthless! As the one true God, The Great Spirit only respects and accepts one religion alone, and that is to love one another.

Native American Quotes

“Soon the earth will shake and will tumble down and people will say,
“Oh my God! Oh my God!” But the Great Spirit will say, “They’re not praying to me, they’re
Saying “All my Gold! All my Gold!” – Wallace Black Elk, Lakota Sioux

An old Cherokee told his grandson, "My son, there is a battle between two wolves inside us all.

One is Evil. It is anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies, & ego.

The other is Good. It is joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness, empathy, & truth."

The boy thought about it, & asked, "Grandfather, which wolf wins?"

The old man quietly replied, "The one you feed."..H. Irvine

“The earth does not belong to man; man belongs to the earth. All things are connected like the blood that unites one family. Man did not weave the web of life; he is merely a strand in it. Whatever he does to the web he does to himself.”- Unknown


Robert B (60)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 7:32 pm
Primitive societies could not explain a world they could not understand. So they made up stories and myths which over time became real to them and evolved into lessons and parables to illustrate how to behave. Then the upper class used these writings and changed them to fit their political needs for control. Religions are made up by controllers, TRUE Spirituality is not. Read "The laughing Jesus" and the "Jesus Mysteries" by Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy. They explain a lot.

Bryan S (105)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 7:52 pm
Very interesting, Kit! I certainly agree with the point made at the end when he says that religion has detached humans from the natural world and each other, supports submission to authority, and serves to reduce responsibility. I've often wondered how much destruction of our natural world can be attributed to religion because of this detachment and even the vilification of the natural world. And more than horrible deeds being done in the name of God by the powerful, religion has enabled millions of common people to claim they are unquestionably good due to "correct beliefs" while in reality they treat others terribly.

The question of Jesus even existing is also interesting. Because of a story on Fox's five worst, i'm reminded of Reza Aslan's book on the historical Jesus. Haven't read it, but i think i remember him talking about some of the historical record of Jesus in an interview. Anyway it would be interesting to look into it.

But regardless of the exact who and what, and as others have pointed out, it would be great if what Jesus and other teachers actually taught were dominant themes in our society with or without religion.

Julie Botsch (12)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 8:14 pm
...a Must-see.

Vallee R (280)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 8:25 pm
Thanks Kit - Craig - totally agree with you

Jaime Alves (52)
Saturday December 28, 2013, 9:43 pm

TomCat S (128)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 12:05 am
Personally, I prefer to livce in a universe that includes God, but also includes respect for the beliefs of everyone not trying to force their beliefs on others.

The problem with DOGma, is that it isn't a CAT thing!!

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 1:35 am
God did not create man, man created God in doing so brought division and misery to the land.

Pogle S (88)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 2:02 am
Is he trying to say that the Pope is a secret Pagan?!?

. (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 9:11 am

. (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 9:34 am
Very interesting video, Kit. Thanks for sharing.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 11:09 am
Seems to be a rehash of the argument put forward by Thomas Paine, and continued with a long line of American skeptics from Paine to Mark Twain to Sam Harris who have seen conspiracies for power where others have seen piety. I think that the only thing this films adds to that debate is too much conspiratorial paranoia.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 11:13 am
Great post, well worth reading. Thanks!

Theodore Shayne (56)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 12:20 pm
Knew most of this stuff already which is why I left religion a long time ago. I still think there is practical everyday advice in the writings such as Proverbs and Ecclesiastes as long as you remove the word god from the texts. Oh, and you don't need huge families anymore so there is some stuff that needs revision.
Of course this doesn't bode well for Islam either since they consider Iesu a prophet. It kind of shows the syncretism that Muhammad employed for political reasons. No Jesus really casts aspersions on a its veracity.

cynthia l (207)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 1:14 pm
we need to embrace love and equality. Respect all life on this planet and live in harmony. oh and stop believing animal parts are a magical cure all

Kit B (276)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 1:15 pm

Very true Cynthia.

Birgit W (160)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 2:16 pm
Noted, thanks.

M B (62)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 2:22 pm
We want to be full of love and respect, I wish that our wider view is not considered as filth and mud by folks who follow other certain believes...I wish we were equal. It needs two to tango.

Past Member (0)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 5:18 pm
It turns out that the bible is nothing more than an 'Astrotheological Literary Hybrid'.
Buy-bull works for me.

Bryna P (139)
Sunday December 29, 2013, 11:49 pm
Thank you for the video. I will come back tomorrow to watch it in its entirety.

Lloyd H (46)
Monday December 30, 2013, 6:59 am
Thanks Kit. I must admit that one of my favorite books is still "Letters From The Earth" Mark Twain, which he ordered not to be published while he was alive.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 31, 2013, 1:55 am
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