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Kit B (276)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 7:02 am
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Since this is obviously a super heated topic, let me hit you with some facts before you start hitting your keyboard with caps lock on.

The only thing our fact checkers found suspect in this video is the claim that more than half of Americans believe there's a link between vaccines and autism. Actually, it's more like 20-25%. That's better than half, but it's still a ridiculously huge portion of people who believe in a paper that was retracted and debunked. C'mon, y'all.

Transcript of Video:

Millions of kids each year get immunized to protect against disease. Diseases like Smallpox and Polio now affect far fewer people because of widespread vaccination.

Vaccines contain inactive viruses or bacteria that stimulate your body's B and T immune cells to produce antibodies, which then fight the disease. When enough people get immunized, vaccines produce "herd immunity": when someone is sick, the disease is contained by those who've had the vaccine, preventing it from spreading further and getting to those who are most vulnerable. But if only a few people are vaccinated, the disease spreads easily through the population and outbreaks can occur.

Thanks to Upworthy for short but direct video.

Brad H (21)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 8:50 am

Nancy M (197)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 10:37 am
Yes, "I trust a movie actor more than I trust a doctor". Sad really

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 10:40 am
Excellent video. Immunization saves lives.

Kit B (276)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 11:04 am

Of all the inventions of human kind, of all the sheer genius in human kind as shown over past and present time, one thing above all else is the most important. The ability to prevent disease before it can begin, that is more important than arguing about mythological conspiracies.

Süheyla C (234)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 11:26 am

Judith Hand (55)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 11:56 am
Noted and enjoyed, as I do most Upworthy stuph.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 11:59 am
Good video, Kit. Perhaps not so surprisingly, there are some here at Care2 who choose to put more stock in pseudo-science than actual science. Noted.

By the way, I like hilarious your lead-in; reminiscent of Frank Zappa's song, 'Dirty Love,' off his Overnite Sensation album. A secret fan?

"Give me....your dirty love.
Like some tacky little pamphlet in your Daddy's bottom drawer.

Give me....your dirty love.
I don't believe you never seen his book before."

Jamie Clemons (282)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 1:39 pm
My best friend's child acted perfectly normal then got the MMR vaccine the next day she was listless and diagnosed with Autism. Maybe its just a quincidence, but its a pretty damning quincidence if it is your child that is affected. Of course the for profit vaccine industry that makes billions of dollars a year pushing their toxic crap to be injected directly into your veins for a profit is going to claim their product did not cause it and they are going to make sure to deny any study that claims otherwise and they are going to have their own "fact" study done with their highly paid scientist to prove that it couldn't possibly be their fault. Look up what is the leading cause of Polio and look up what is the leading cause of Polio Paralysis. Guess what? Its the vaccine. FACT

Nancy M (197)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 1:58 pm
There is no longer polio in this country. FACT

But there is polio elsewhere. So one could get it through travel or exposure to those who have traveled. FACT

OPV (oral polio vaccine linked with some cases of polio) is no longer available in the US FACT


Sheri Schongold (7)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 5:20 pm
When you have celebrities constantly shoving their opinions down the throats of people, you will have utter nonsense in the open. These people barely know how to get up and get dress in the am, let alone tell the truth about anything. No matter how stupid they seem, they will stick to their opinions and facts be damned. Because they are so powerful and so many people in other countries are so ignorant, there will always be diseases, which could be defeated, that will hang around forever.

Bruce C D (89)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 5:23 pm
@Jaime Clemmons--
You're proving my point about people here who would prefer to believe in pseudo-science over actual science. You're like the person who doesn't wear their seat belt because one time in a million they would escape death, while ignoring that those wearing seat belts not only have a far, far better chance of surviving accidents, they invariably avoid being far more seriously injured, besides.

Key facts
Polio (poliomyelitis) mainly affects children under 5 years of age.
One in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis. Among those paralysed, 5% to 10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized.
Polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an
estimated 350 000 cases then, to 406 reported cases in 2013. The reduction is the result of the global effort to eradicate the disease.
In 2014, only 3 countries (Afghanistan, Nigeria and Pakistan) remain polio-endemic, down from more than 125 in 1988.
As long as a single child remains infected, children in all countries are at risk of contracting polio. Failure to eradicate polio from these last remaining strongholds could result in as many as 200 000 new cases every year, within 10 years, all over the world.

You are wrong about most polio being caused by vaccines. Most polio today occurs in three countries where wild polio is still endemic and other areas where there is resistance to vaccinations. And polio associated with vaccines (VAPP) is much higher in areas where there isn't effective herd immunity. In other words, not getting immunized not only helps to spread polio, it significantly increases the likelihood of VAPP to those getting the vaccinations (although one is still far less likely to get polio by taking the vaccine). In countries where polio has been eradicated, the incidence of VAPP is very remote. Even if it were true about most polio being caused by vaccinations (which would still be a very small proportion), that would be a sign of success, as it would mean that wild polio has been almost entirely eradicated.

Global caseload

Polio cases have decreased by over 99% since 1988, from an estimated 350 000 cases in more than 125 endemic countries then, to 406 reported cases in 2013. These included only 160 cases in endemic countries; international spread from endemic areas into polio-free areas accounted for the remainder. In 2014, only parts of 3 countries in the world remain endemic for the disease–the smallest geographic area in history. Of the 3 strains of wild poliovirus (type 1, type 2, and type 3), wild poliovirus type 2 was eradicated in 1999 and case numbers of wild poliovirus type 3 are down to the lowest-ever levels with the last case reported in April 2012 from Pakistan.

Polio and its symptoms

Polio is a highly infectious disease caused by a virus. It invades the nervous system, and can cause total paralysis in a matter of hours. The virus enters the body through the mouth and multiplies in the intestine. Initial symptoms are fever, fatigue, headache, vomiting, stiffness in the neck and pain in the limbs. One in 200 infections leads to irreversible paralysis (usually in the legs). Among those paralysed, 5% to 10% die when their breathing muscles become immobilized.

People most at risk

Polio mainly affects children under 5 years of age.


There is no cure for polio, it can only be prevented. Polio vaccine, given multiple times, can protect a child for life.

IPV (intravenous) produces less gastrointestinal immunity than does OPV (oral), and primarily acts by preventing the virus from entering the nervous system. In regions without wild poliovirus, inactivated polio vaccine is the vaccine of choice (IPV). In regions with higher incidence of polio, and thus a different relative risk between efficacy and reversion of the vaccine to a virulent form, live vaccine is still used (OPV). While OPV is not recommended by the CDC (for non-endemic nations), its website explained that Sabin's OPV is more suited to areas where polio is endemic, because of "its advantages over IPV in providing intestinal immunity and providing secondary spread of the vaccine to unprotected contacts."

On January 4, 2013, the World Health Organization called for the Sabin OPV, which contains the Type 2 strain of poliovirus, to be phased out as soon as possible; although the Type 2 strain has been eradicated in the wild, vaccine-derived strains still circulate in polio-endemic nations. A different OPV would continue to be administered, protecting against Types 1 and 3, which are both still endemic in the wild in Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan. The WHO also called for the rapid introduction of the Salk IPV, which will be used along with OPV during a transition period. Once Types 1 and 3 cease to be endemic, the OPV will be phased out, and the Salk vaccine will be used exclusively.

Until 1957, when the Salk vaccine was introduced, polio was considered the most frightening public health problem of the post-war United States. Annual epidemics were increasingly devastating. The 1952 epidemic was the worst outbreak in the nation's history. Of nearly 58,000 cases reported that year, 3,145 people died and 21,269 were left with mild to disabling paralysis, with most of its victims being children. The "public reaction was to a plague," said historian Bill O'Neal. "Citizens of urban areas were to be terrified every summer when this frightful visitor returned." According to a 2009 PBS documentary, "Apart from the atomic bomb, America's greatest fear was polio." As a result, scientists were in a frantic race to find a way to prevent or cure the disease. U.S. president Franklin D. Roosevelt was the world's most recognized victim of the disease and founded the organization, the March of Dimes Foundation, that would fund the development of a vaccine.

According to medical author Paul Offit, "more Americans had participated in the funding, development, and testing of the polio vaccine than had participated in the nomination and election of the president." At least one hundred million people had contributed to the March of Dimes, and seven million had donated their time and labor as well.

Six months before Salk's announcement, optimism and hope were so widespread that the Polio Fund in the U.S. had already contracted to purchase enough of the Salk vaccine to immunize 9,000,000 children and pregnant women the following year. And around the world, the official news prompted an immediate international rush to vaccinate. Medical historian Debbie Bookchin writes, "Canada, Sweden, Denmark, Norway, West Germany, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and Belgium all announced plans to either immediately begin polio immunization campaigns using Salk's vaccine or to gear up to quickly do so. "Overnight", she adds, "Salk had become an international hero and a household name. His vaccine was a modern medical miracle."

By the summer of 1957, over two years later, 100 million doses had been distributed throughout the United States and "reported complications following their administration have been remarkably rare", noted the scientists at the International Polio Conference in Geneva. Scientists from other nations reported similar experiences: Denmark, for example, "reported only a few sporadic cases among the 2,500,000 ... who received the vaccine." Australia reported virtually no polio during her past summer season.

Other countries where the vaccine was not yet in use suffered continued epidemics, however. In 1957, Hungary, for example, reported a severe epidemic requiring emergency international assistance. By the first half of the year, it had 713 reported cases and a death rate of 6.6%, and the peak infection months of summer were still ahead. Canada sent a shipment of vaccine to Hungary by a refrigerated plane, and Britain and Sweden sent iron lungs.


You are repeating a common myth about pharmaceutical companies just seeking profit from vaccines. You want to hate big pharma? You may have just cause, but the reason wouldn't be vaccines. From RationalWiki:

"Despite the constantly repeated claims about "massive vaccine profits" the truth (as revealed in the annual financial statements of these companies) is that vaccines simply aren't worth very much. The primary purchaser of vaccines are governments. In the USA the vaccine suppliers get squeezed as much as possible. In the many western countries with socialized medicine they don't even get to negotiate - the governments simply tell the suppliers how much they are going to get paid and that's that.

On top of that, the pharmaceuticals are constantly pressured to give away huge stocks of vaccines to impoverished countries. It just gets worse, the patents for the majority of vaccines expired years ago, so there's not even the chance to monopolize the trade. The bottom line: as far as anyone can tell, the only reason that pharmaceuticals are still even making vaccines is because the various national governments will take away their pharmaceutical licenses if they stop.

So the "vast vaccine profits" are an absolute myth, as anyone who reads these (publicly available) financial statements can verify. However vaccines are not just poor profit earners, they're also a business killer. Vaccines make people healthy. Healthy people don't need medication. More vaccines equal less profit. Less profit is bad, bad, bad.

So vaccines hurt profit. But if you could somehow convince people to stop taking vaccines, then you could reintroduce a number of persistent, revenue-generating diseases back into the marketplace. Profits would go back up. Even better, you wouldn't even need to convince everybody to stop immunizing, because of the phenomenon of 'herd immunity' (which means that you need 80-90% coverage for a vaccine to be truly effective). You'll only need to get a small but critical percentage to refuse, and you'll get your desired result.

Sure, it's not a totally flawless plan, because without vaccines a number of your potential new clients are going to die. However evidence suggests that the majority of them will survive, and a very large percentage of those survivors will end up with chronic symptoms requiring long-term medical care. This care will conveniently involve some recently-patented, very expensive medications.

Of course openly telling people to stop using vaccines would attract huge goverment anger, not to mention criminal charges. But if you could get some angry mothers to do your dirty work for you then you can wash your hands of any responsibility. Carefully place a few scientific papers that imply vaccines might be dangerous, and let the "grass roots" do the rest. Throw in some cash every now and then to keep their websites up and running. If the noise ever starts to die down, get another dubious scientific paper circulating so they can start chanting "vaccines are evil" all over again. If the government starts asking questions, front up to the hearing and say, "we're trying to stop all this disinformation, honest we are, but there are just so many angry mothers out there".

It is a truly brilliant strategy, and it's no surprise that finding rock-solid evidence of this scam will be difficult. Big Pharma has a lot of money, and they are very good at covering their tracks. But even though we'll never hear a pharmaceutical publicly admit they are funding the anti-vaccines groups, there is already enough circumstantial evidence to make it chillingly, uncomfortably, plausible. It also explains why the only people you ever hear defending vaccines are family doctors and badly funded community health departments.

You can't blame the anti-vaccine groups either - they're just everyday parents trying to do what's best for their children. The fact that their genuine concern and natural protectiveness has been harnessed to support the profit motive of Big Pharma is - quite simply - horrifying.

As a final note, in 2009 three pharmaceutical companies quietly lodged patents for drugs related to polio management. They did this with no fanfare, no press releases and no TV ads.

The vaccine for polio sells for 30 cents. The new polio medications will cost parents as much as $500 a week, and could be needed for years.

You do the math."


Kathleen R (138)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 5:29 pm

JL A (281)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 5:52 pm
Some excellent factual comments with relevant data and related information. In the beginning, you never heard the vaccine hypothesis without also hearing about the mercury preservative as probable source (based on Japanese mercury birth defect/impacts studies); when that preservative was banned more than 20 years ago so cannot be the source and the withdrawn Lancet research was found to have the "data cooked" so had no grounds for that reported result at all. The more recent research by the MIND Institute and others find the data does not fit a single source or cause model but rather a physical vulnerability, sometimes genetic, coupled with a trigger--potentially an environmental toxin or something that behaves similarly.

Sheila D (28)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 9:22 pm
Thanks so much, Kit, for putting this video out there. It's so true when they basically said people would rather believe an actor than a doctor or scientist. And thanks to Bruce C D for giving us a few facts regarding what happens when people don't get their children (or themselves) vaccinated. What a shame that we still have so many children dying because their parents are so confused by the issues and choose to take their chances with their children's lives.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday April 22, 2014, 10:14 pm
I can see vaccines for polio, measles, mumps. But what about vaccines for HPV (genital warts) and flu vaccines, pneumonia vaccines? NO THANKS. Kids who got the vaccine for HPV ended up GETTING genital warts FROM the vaccine, I read in several reports. Same with flu, etc.

Jordan G (37)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 3:23 am
If either side had a lock on "FACTS" there would be no debate.
Here's an idea: how about funding INDEPENDENT research?
Perhaps there's more than a grain of truth in all areas -- there are some horror stories associated with vaccines. Perhaps some are preventable.
No, everyone would rather BE right than DO right, including most of you writing here.
When you learn there are things we don't know, areas of grey, you'll start to find the answers because you'll start to ask the questions.
In the meantime, I'll keep my mind open and remember we're only a few years into truly understanding medical sciences.

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 5:18 am
@Alexandria Genovia--
At least you're not totally against vaccines, but you're still placing pseudo-science over actual science, and you're not properly considering the risk to benefit ratios or the responsibility of citizens in a society. Do you not believe in climate change? Do you not believe bucking up in a vehicle is to your benefit? Do you not believe requiring everyone that owns a vehicle they drive to have liability insurance is in everyone's best interest?

Do you trust your physician? Because it would be really foolish to trust your physician with your health, but not trust their advice on vaccines. Due to time constraints, I'm going to limit this response to the HPV vaccine, but I suggest you talk to your doctor or pediatrician about all these vaccines. I will say that vaccines undergo rigorous testing, and that following licensure, CDC and FDA primarily use three systems to monitor and evaluate the safety of vaccines, including HPV. These systems can detect rare adverse events that were not identified during pre-licensure clinical trials. The three systems are:
•The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) –an early warning public health system where people can report adverse health events following vaccination, that helps CDC and FDA detect possible new, unexpected, or increased trends in reported adverse events
•The Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) –a collaboration between CDC and several healthcare organizations which uses de-identified health records to monitor and evaluate adverse events following vaccination
•The Clinical Immunization Safety Assessment (CISA) Project -a collaboration between CDC and several medical research centers in the United States to conduct research to understand how adverse events might be caused by vaccines

Vaccine safety surveillance and other vaccine safety activities help ensure that U.S. vaccines are held to very high standards of safety. The World Health Organization is another body that monitors vaccines and is an excellent source for information. From the CDC:

"Is the HPV vaccine safe? Yes. Both HPV vaccines were studied in tens of thousands of people around the world. More than 57 million doses have been distributed to date, and there have been no serious safety concerns. Vaccine safety continues to be monitored by CDC and the Food and Drug Administration (FDA). These studies continue to show that HPV vaccines are safe. The most common side effects reported are mild. They include: pain where the shot was given (usually the arm), fever, dizziness, and nausea."

Please provide just one reputable source showing where someone got genital warts from the vaccine. I couldn't find any. That would be extremely unlikely--if not impossible--because the HPV vaccine uses a virus-like particle, not the HPV virus, to create immunities to the most common types of HPV. Keep in mind, it doesn't protect against all types, of which number over 100, so it is still possible for someone to get one of the rarer types--but that shouldn't be attributed to the vaccine. Gardasil, which protects against four HPV types (6, 11, 16, and 18), is approved by the FDA for use by females aged 9-26 to help prevent cancer of the cervix, vagina, and vulva; genital warts, and anal cancer. It's also approved for males aged 9-26 to help prevent genital warts and anal cancer. HPV 6 and HPV 11 cause about 90% of genital warts.

Approximately 79 million Americans are infected with human papillomavirus (HPV), and approximately 14 million people will become newly infected each year. Some HPV types can cause cervical, vaginal, and vulvar cancer among women, penile cancer among men, and anal and some oropharyngeal cancers among both men and women. Other HPV types can cause genital warts among both sexes. Each year in the United States an estimated 26,000 new cancers attributable to HPV occur, 18,000 among females (of which 11,500 are cervical cancer) and 8,000 among males (of which 5,900 are oropharyngeal cancers).

To sum up, by your illogical reasoning, you would rather expose your children to the very real chances of getting various types of cancer or genital warts than take the very small risk of a mild adverse reaction. Furthermore, in avoiding that small risk of vaccination, you are increasing the greater risk of HPV and the associated diseases it causes to not only your children, but to all of our society.

Bruce C D (89)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 5:26 am
@Jordan G--
Here's an idea for you: why don't you take the time to do a little research? If you had done so, you would have already known that there has been plenty of independent research done over the years on vaccines. You would have already known that one side of this "debate" relies on pseudo-science, and the other side on actual science. You would have already known that the facts overwhelmingly support vaccinations to prevent diseases, as they prevent incalculable needless suffering, medical expense, and wasted medical resources. You would have already known that the benefits far outweigh the potential risks. And you wouldn't be making stupid arguments, pretending like you're above everyone else by being open-minded, while revealing just how uninformed and close-minded you actually are.

Danuta W (1249)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 6:02 am

Kit B (276)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 6:43 am

Thank you, Bruce C D. I do appreciate the fact based comments and research you offered here.

This discussion is now reaching to almost ten years, tragically that has cost the lives of many children
As for a child developing Autism the day after the vaccines, I suggest that Autism is related to our environment and pollutions that no mother can avoid.

There are a few vaccines that still have a minute amount of mercury. That is not toxic nor can that be traced to Autism. There are literally hundreds of thousands of articles on this topic; along with numerous children that have been tracked. Some children do have reactions to the multiple vaccines in one injection. Overall the reactions are mild, and have no longer term effects. The CDC guidelines call for the multiple injections, it's an attempt to give the child all possible protection should the parent not return for the full schedule of injections.

This is a quick read and from the Mayo Clinic:

Childhood vaccines: Tough questions, straight answers

Do Vaccines Cause Autism? Is It OK to Skip Certain Vaccines? on these and other common questions.

Do vaccines cause autism?

Vaccines do not cause autism. Despite much controversy on the topic, researchers haven't found a connection between autism and childhood vaccines. In fact, the original study that ignited the debate years ago has been retracted.

Although signs of autism may appear at about the same time children receive certain vaccines — such as the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine — this is simply a coincidence.

Are vaccine side effects dangerous?

Any vaccine can cause side effects. Usually, these side effects are minor — low-grade fever, and soreness, redness or swelling at the injection site. Some vaccines cause a temporary headache, dizziness, fatigue or loss of appetite. Rarely, a child may experience a severe allergic reaction or a neurological side effect, such as a seizure. Although these rare side effects are a concern, vaccines are much safer than the diseases they prevent.

Of course, vaccines aren't given to children who have known allergies to specific vaccine components. Likewise, if your child develops a life-threatening reaction to a particular vaccine, further doses of that vaccine won't be given.

Kit B (276)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 6:53 am

J L is correct on the origin and final disposition of the Japanese problem with mercury and vaccines. I thank her for her due diligence on this and offering correct information.

I am of the age that I well remember one child in my school dying from "Blue Baby" cyanotic heart defects. I can also remember that everyone lived in fear of Polio, measles and whooping cough. Each a deadly disease in their own right.

Many studies have been done, to track vaccines and those who received no vaccines. The studies are in many cases ongoing but the results are that no child has Autism related to vaccination.

Preventive care is the cornerstone of pediatrics, and vaccination represents one of the most important strategies in the prevention of disease in children.2 The reduction in morbidity and mortality over the past century as a result of routine childhood immunizations is quite dramatic. Smallpox has been globally eradicated, while diseases such as diphtheria, polio, and congenital rubella are virtually nonexistent in North America. Other life-threatening conditions such as measles, Haemophilus influenza type b disease, and pertussis have been dramatically curtailed to the point where families no longer fear their devastating effects.

Public concern, both real and anecdotal, regarding the adverse effects of vaccines has circulated since the time of the first smallpox inoculation by Dr. Edward Jenner in 1796. In one survey, nearly 25% of parents reported their impression that children were receiving too many vaccines and felt that this could result in a weakening of their immune systems.3 Parents worry about the “pincushion effect,” as current recommendations are for 19 injections in the first 2 years of life.4 Certainly, one would expect that a biologic product administered universally would not be without adverse effects, but are these side effects overwhelmingly mild and transient, or can chronic disease or long-term neurodevelopmental impairment occur at an “alarmingly high rate” as reported in the lay press?5–7 Over the past generation, as pediatricians have seen a marked reduction in acute invasive bacterial disease as a direct result of immunizations, certain noninfectious chronic diseases that present in infancy have attracted increased attention. “Given the close temporal relationship between frequent immunizations and the onset of certain chronic childhood illnesses, it is not surprising that speculation and epidemiologic studies have attempted to link chronic disorders of childhood to immunizations … postulated links to the increased incidence of autism … have been particularly contentious.”8

This article attempts to place into perspective the concerns expressed by patients relative to the benefits of this most important public health intervention.


Birgit W (160)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 8:59 am
Thanks for sharing Kit.

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 3:49 pm
Thanks Kit--great post and comments.

marie C (163)
Wednesday April 23, 2014, 5:21 pm
Thanks Kit great post as always

Athena F (131)
Thursday April 24, 2014, 5:17 pm
thank you

Lloyd H (46)
Friday April 25, 2014, 6:41 am
Thanks Bruce! The problem is that once people like Alexandria et alia believe the lies, facts and reality have no effect. One has only to consider the Geocentrists who still believe that the Sun, the planets and all of the Universe orbit the Earth. A recent survey of Catholics(Roman) showed that in the 21st Century 16% either were not sure or believed the Earth is the center of the Universe. And 18% of Americans believe that the Earth is less than 10,000 years old. While the Geocentrists and Young Earthers are funny stupid/ignorant/brainwashed the Anti-Vaccine people are a real and present danger to the health and well being of every one around them. In the last two years here in Washington state we have had two massive outbreaks of Whopping Cough with fatalities and now a measles warning because travel makes a direct connection between the still existent contagion areas and the non-vaccinated in the US.

Past Member (0)
Friday April 25, 2014, 2:10 pm
Kit, I won't say anything to start another debacle like two of the recent threads, But I do Thank You for posting this article. Someone used it just recently to try and provide a way of better understanding the concepts.
From the comments here, you have a more receptive audience.

If I may, Bruce C, I'd also like to Thank You for your valuable contributions.
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