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China Has Banned Buddhist Monks in Tibet From Reincarnating Without Government Permission !

Society & Culture  (tags: Reincarnation, bizarre, Spirituality meets totalinarianism, china, tibet )

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In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission !

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Past Member (0)
Friday August 31, 2007, 11:23 pm
In one of history's more absurd acts of totalitarianism, China has banned Buddhist monks in Tibet from reincarnating without government permission. According to a statement issued by the State Administration for Religious Affairs, the law, which goes into effect next month and strictly stipulates the procedures by which one is to reincarnate, is "an important move to institutionalize management of reincarnation." But beyond the irony lies China's true motive: to cut off the influence of the Dalai Lama, Tibet's exiled spiritual and political leader, and to quell the region's Buddhist religious establishment more than 50 years after China invaded the small Himalayan country. By barring any Buddhist monk living outside China from seeking reincarnation, the law effectively gives Chinese authorities the power to choose the next Dalai Lama, whose soul, by tradition, is reborn as a new human to continue the work of relieving suffering.
At 72, the Dalai Lama, who has lived in India since 1959, is beginning to plan his succession, saying that he refuses to be reborn in Tibet so long as it's under Chinese control. Assuming he's able to master the feat of controlling his rebirth, as Dalai Lamas supposedly have for the last 600 years, the situation is shaping up in which there could be two Dalai Lamas: one picked by the Chinese government, the other by Buddhist monks. "It will be a very hot issue," says Paul Harrison, a Buddhism scholar at Stanford. "The Dalai Lama has been the prime symbol of unity and national identity in Tibet, and so it's quite likely the battle for his incarnation will be a lot more important than the others."

So where in the world will the next Dalai Lama be born? Harrison and other Buddhism scholars agree that it will likely be from within the 130,000 Tibetan exiles spread throughout India, Europe and North America. With an estimated 8,000 Tibetans living in the United States, could the next Dalai Lama be American-born? "You'll have to ask him," says Harrison. If so, he'll likely be welcomed into a culture that has increasingly embraced reincarnation over the years. According to a 2005 Gallup poll, 20 percent of all U.S. adults believe in reincarnation. Recent surveys by the Barna Group, a Christian research nonprofit, have found that a quarter of U.S. Christians, including 10 percent of all born-again Christians, embrace it as their favored end-of-life view. A non-Tibetan Dalai Lama, experts say, is probably out of the question.


Jaclin S (230)
Friday August 31, 2007, 11:27 pm
No matter what China does - His Holiness The Dalai Lama will always Rule!!! Tibetans will always bow down to Him and pray to Him and for Him because He is What He is!!!!

Past Member (0)
Friday August 31, 2007, 11:34 pm
I agree Jaqueline. I love the Dali Lama.

I had to post this to show how stupid authorities can be.

This is a place where the dictators of the world reach a wall.

We are all free and always will be. That is our essential nature.

This gesture is the height of hubris.

Our spiritual destiny is not in the hands of any person or government.

With his delightful sense of humor, I am certain that the Dali Lama is finding the absurdity amusing. I can hear him laughing.

Rajan Sujan (940)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 12:28 am
We, in INDIA would always welcome and be most grateful if His Holiness Dalai Lama reincarnates again, and again in India, the land of the Enlightened Lord Buddha!!!

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:38 am
When the Dali Lama returns, he will be able to choose his mother and place of birth. The spiritual leaders and elders will not be deceived. They will know him and he will pass tests to prove his authenticity.

The Tibetan people will only acknowledge and honor the true Dali Lama and not China's imposter.

Thank you Isis. What a strange story and a stranger world !

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 3:32 am
strange world indeed..I have been reading about this developement .The dalai Lama was just here in Germany and in the Tibeatan house ...
When will China give information on the true Panchem Lama the worlds youngest political prisoner whereabouts.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 9:53 am

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 12:40 pm
Yikes! Have the Chinese established a Bureau of Reincarnation to which one has to apply? Is there a Chinese Ministry of Reincarnation that has to approve or disapprove all applications? Is the Chinese Minister of Reincarnation a Cabinet level position? Do all the prayer flags in Tibet now say, "Made in China"?

The Dalai Lama has more wisdom than the entire Chinese government.

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:00 pm
acctually the Chinese do torture Tibetan monks and nuns..very sad very cruel treatment

Kathleen R (983)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:43 pm
A real news story will be if anyone enforces it!!! As well as how it was accomplished!!!

Patricia McCaskill (139)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:45 pm
The arrogance of the Chinese government.

"Do all the prayer flags in Tibet now say, "Made in China"? " Mark S Mark at this rate they may, that is if they are entirely banned.

Patricia McCaskill (139)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:45 pm
aren't, that is.

Sammantha L (126)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 1:49 pm
Yes, there are certain things that no government, no matter what they try, can affect. His Holiness has come here to Bloomington to hold rituals abd visit The Tibetan Cultural Center and the Buddhist monastaries here. He is expected here later this fall. He Is Who He Is alright! If it weren't for the terrible way the Chinese have treated theTibetan people, their country, and the Panchem Lama, it would be funny. It is most ridiculous, mega-maniacal thing I've ever heard. Kinda stupid, too!

Mary Riley (999)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 3:21 pm
I suggest the Dali Lama could be born in Antarctica, or any place else, and still be recognized as such. Thailand or India might be more probable, but surely WE do not know.

Shane H (18)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 3:43 pm
now i remember why i stopped reading the "news"

Shane H (18)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 3:49 pm
really though... who does China think she is??? not even a complete New World Order, Orwellian style could do what they are trying to do... this is absurd and one of the most offensive attacks on personal/spiritual freedom I have ever heard of, or imagined for that matter... Good Thing The Dali Lama Is A Compassionate Soul... He will laugh with altruistic respect and he will not fight or counter-attack with anything but compassion... People could learn a lot from that, if they would only pay attention

Past Member (0)
Saturday September 1, 2007, 11:46 pm
Betina that link is very important.

Very few stories are submitted to C2NN about the plight of the Tibetan people. There is little mention of these atrocities in mainstream news.

Why is it that there is not more activism in this area ?

Is there a group currently on Care2 for this much needed task ?

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 12:12 am
Nine World as far as I know ,there no groups here supporting the Tibetan Buddhism ..However there are many Buddhist groups at care2. The Dalai Lama was quoted of saying that the Tibetans are like Panda bears to the world..they are loved by all..but nobody really wants to help them.

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 12:37 am
How can we change that ?

Who, besides the Chinese government, does not love the Dali Lama or care for the happiness of the people of Tibet ?

How can we not care ?

Their non-violent approach has perhaps helped too many forget comfortably.

I remember the Dali Lama saying that he wanted to see his people safe in their homeland again, before he passed. It must cause him profound pain to see this ignored by the world. He has visited every nation, but not one acknowledges him as anyone other that a spiritual leader. They all bow to China !


Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 1:02 am
I was wrong,( not that this is new.).there is a large group dedicated to Tibetan Buddhism here in care2..

Past Member (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 1:13 am
Betina if you have the link I would really appreciate participating.

Can it be posted here for anyone else who may wish to be involved ?

Maya g (0)
Sunday September 2, 2007, 10:19 pm
After all the so called progress of the globe, it is extremely sad and painful to find that all the so called intelligentsia, the world religious bodies, the spiritualists, or human right activists of the world have not stood for Tibet when it was taken over by China, are standing silent at the victimaisation, torture and atrocities that are meted out to the Tibetans. They make noise on issues but who is ready to take a stand and do all that is possible to help the righteous victims...
In this worl, Where is love? where is spirituality? where is truth? where is justice, today? everything is crushed under greed, hatred, lust, self indulgence, fanaticism.....

Past Member (0)
Monday September 3, 2007, 5:18 am
Tibetan Buddhism and Tibet
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Past Member (0)
Tuesday September 4, 2007, 12:36 am
Thank you Betina. I just joined the group.

Cynthia H (155)
Monday September 10, 2007, 8:20 pm
There is a list of petitions posted in the Fierce Women group, all of which can be found at

and further actions can be found at:

Cynthia H (155)
Monday September 10, 2007, 8:22 pm

Let China know that its successful Olympic bid does NOT mean the world sanctions its mistreatment of Tibetans! CALL ON CHINA TO END HUMAN RIGHTS ABUSES IN TIBET.


Rachel MacD (40)
Sunday September 16, 2007, 5:41 pm
Yeah... the Tibetan people will honour the true Dalai Lama, but will they be able to find out it's him? Will they get the news reports? Will they lose "Tibetan" status in China if they refuse to honour the Chinese-sanctioned Dalai Lama? There are all kinds of implications. This is a very dangerous law. Peace, blessings and prayers for a resolution and healing of the misdirected Chinese gov't, and the strong remnant of traditional Tibetans! Rachel.
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