Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:16 am
Jazz pianist Robin Lawson, 70, died Sunday, seven weeks after the disease claimed choir leader Dave Marston.

Nineteen cases have been confirmed in Jackson County since the Oregon Department of Human Services began keeping track of Creuzfeldt-Jakob disease 18 years ago, said Ryan Asherin, the agency's Emerging Infection Program coordinator.

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Ashland jazzman dies of brain disorder“CJD is considered an emerging infection that we started doing surveillance on in 1991, after there was a scare with CJD in Western Europe from consumption of contaminated meat,” Asherin said in a phone interview, referring to mad cow disease.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta fund the surveillance of emerging infections in each state, but is “not at all concerned” with Jackson County because it's well below the incidence of CJD in the state and nation, said Dr. Emilio Debess, medical epidemiologist with DHS.

The fact that Ashland had two cases in a short period of time, he said, “could be of concern, but the disease has a long incubation period — seven to 12 years — and it's difficult for anyone to remember what they did or ate seven to 12 years ago.”

About 250 to 300 cases of CJD are reported in the U.S. each year, with an average age of death at 67, according to the Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease Foundation (www.cjdfoundation.org). It said 85 percent of cases come from unknown causes, with the other 15 percent from infections during surgery and genetic predisposition. As of August 2005, the foundation said, there are no known cases of ingestion of contaminated beef in the U.S.

Debess said because of changes in the industry following the mad cow scare of the 1990s, cattle no longer are fed other animals who have died and “transmission of mad cow disease is no longer possible.”..... more at site

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 11:28 am
As sad as this death is, WHEN you feed diseased cattle to chickens and then you feed chicken feces to cattle What the H*** did you think would happen?? When will the US government finally Ban the practise of feeding poultry feces to livestock
A except taken from the Canadian Food Inspection Agency's Poultry litter feed ban doc. at http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/feebet/pol/pd002e.shtml

----- There are several safety concerns associated with the use of poultry manure as a feed ingredient. First and foremost, the feeding of poultry manure may have implications for the spread of (BSE). An amendment to the Health of Animals Regulations came into effect August 4, 1997 banning the feeding of certain mammalian protein, including ruminant meat and bone meal, to cattle and other ruminants. Poultry manure often contains residues of poultry feed which may contain ruminant meat and bone meal. Thus, feeding poultry manure to cattle may inadvertently result in the feeding of ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle and contravene the Health of Animals Regulations.

C'mon Obama et al and get with the program!!!!! AND I may say FINALLY DO SOMETHING REAL FOR YOUR SICK CARE!!!

cowboss

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:16 pm
Disturbing story Cowboss. What do you want to guess the CJD foundation is funded by government. If CJD has been linked to "Mad Cow Disease" as evidenced by much respectable research and 85% of the cases in the US are coming from unknown causes, then why isn't the CJD foundation concerned? Manure from poultry that have been fed ruminant meal is fed back to ruminant food animals. We, then ingest ruminalt food animals. Maybe we need to bring the CJD Foundation a bucket of sand so they can stick their heads in it instead of where they have them stuck now! A number of developed countries have got this one right.....what's taking the USDA/FDA so long?

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 3:30 pm
This is disturbing. But I can't speak specifically about the CJD Foundation but all that "respectable research" is actually funded by the government. The National Institute of Health and the National Science Foundation.

The actual "normal" incidence for CJD is one in a million per year. As stated in the article. That is such a low number that it gets sporadic. Things then start clustering. Two cases near each other in time and space, not unheard of. But ti DOES scare me.

What causes CJD- Prions. But that doesn't mean they came from a cow. I do have a hard time believeing their claim that there is no human to human transmission though.

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 3:30 pm
I think the USDA is full of C@$%& they don't seem to do much of anything! How could an inspector miss mice and rats running around the peanut butter factory? I mean the inspectors were paid off!! All anyone cares about is money. Until our entire civilization either kills itself off or has another massive disaster i don't see things changing! It really is sad and sickening going this way.
Thanks Cowboss

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 3:44 pm
Nancy

You are right -- there is no absolute proof that this came from cows being fed to chickens and chicken poop being fed to livestock -- BUT FOR SURE it is a proven path for BSE prions to infect humans. Ask the Brits, they know lots about this stuff!

I am still waiting for ONE VALID REASON why poultry poop should be allowed to be fed to food producing animals, OR any animals for that matter. Help me out!

cowboss

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 3:46 pm
You have to remember, the main focus of the government is not to cause a panic, no matter how many lies have to be told. For more information on CJD -Prions and sewage sludge (biosolids) see http://sludgevictims.com/pathogens/prion.html

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:50 pm
Tks Cowboss disturbing in many ways.

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:51 pm
Thanks Cowboss

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:53 pm
Well, I do have to differ and agree with THE COWBOSS ON THIS ONE..., sorry, but, guys PLEASE DO VISIT THIS SITE!!!

So important, so careless, so unnecessary!!!!

Just the total future, of what is taking place, and I am sorry to say, I am not one BIT SURPRISED about this , more deaths, more illness, due to GREEDY PEOPLE, this highly upsets me to no end and that fact that the government doesn't want to cause a "panic", sorry this should be put out there to the public and make them aware this is taking place. GOVERNMENT ALWAYS DOESN'T WANT TO CAUSE A PANIC, THUS WE ARE ALWAYS KEPT IN THE DARK -- HAVE NO CLUE ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON ETC. SAD BUT THIS IS A FACT!!!!

NO POOP SHOULD BE FED TO ANY ANIMAL PERIOD, SHIT (SORRY GUYS!) BUT, I WOULDN'T LET MY PETS EVEN TOUCH THEIR POOP, WHO KNOWS WHAT WE ARE BEING FED, THIS IS SICK.

PLEASE VISIT THIS SITE, I PERSONALLY AM APPALLED AND THUS THE CAPS.....

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 4:55 pm
To begin with cows are herbivores, so why would farmers feed them anything from another animal is beyond understanding and as I suspected feeding them manure could bring on Mad Cows disease. Mad Cows disease incubates for years before any symptoms are apparent.

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 5:12 pm
True, why are cows feed any thing but grass and grains?

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 5:42 pm
Animalib

In answer to your question -- "so why would farmers feed them anything from another animal is beyond understanding" I assume that you already know the answer, BUT just in case -- It's all about the $$$$$! A US factory farmer using feces as feed for a beef animal can bring that animal to market for approx. 45 - 55% of the cost to finish that same animal using either Canadian, EU, or Australian approved feeds which prohibit the use of feces feed.

And yes, it can/will bring on Mad Cow disease (CJD in humans), that is kinda what this story is about.

Hope this helps. And a comment -- yes cowboss maybe should not be meddling in the politics of another country and I probably would not be if my government had the "Guts" to stand up to the US and tell them to keep their feces fed food at home! I have to "muse" at why So many world governments are SO TERRIFIED of the US -- maybe because they have BIG BOMBS!

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 12:59 am
Well While I agrre With Most of What Cow Boss Has To Say...
as a USA Citizen;
I would have To Say That Our Brass Balls Are Tarnishing Rapidly;
and The Credibility of the Quality and Quanity;
of Our "WorkingBombs" is Questionable...

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 1:05 am
I certainly agree with all of the above! Don't forget to sign cowboss's petitions if you have not already done so...



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A short note to SUMMARISE what I am about .......

cowboss believes and will defend to the extent of the laws of each land:

The right of every person to their beliefs and opinions and their inherent right to express the same, without being personally attacked for their beliefs or opinions. Debate is healthy, malicious attacks are NOT.

The right of all living creatures to be treated in a fair, ethical, humane, caring and natural way for their "entire life".


The right of people to "own title to" land and animals. This to me, is where the conundrum lies -- people today make the "wrong" assumption, that they "own" the land and animals. We DO NOT! We are merely "Caretakers" of the land and it's inhabitants. When we all acknowledge this FACT and "start walking the walk" many of the world's problems will begin their journey to resolution.


The right of the Carnivore animals of the world to their natural diet. I am aware that these animals carry out "slaughter practises" may be by seen by many as Gruesome, Inhumane, Offencive and Bloody, yet to me the concept of converting the bears, tigers, lions, wolves, foxes of the world to Veganism/Vegetarianism remains a totally ill-conceived notion.
Just as I so desperately want, for the wolves and lions prey to have a good life, I will fight to the end for the same quality of life for the farm animals of the world.

The right of the Indigenous peoples of the world to their natural diets, "to the extent of the law", even if that involves practises that some among us find "hard to look at". You do not have to look very hard to find what the "modern diet" has done to our indigenous peoples.


The right of every person to "clean food" -- food produced in harmony with the "laws of nature", NOT food produced the "Cheapest" way possible while maximising the profits of the multinational corporate giants, who are all to happy to prey on the "GLUTONOUS" consuming habits of people today, whilst ignoring what we all know to be "right" and "wrong".


The right of our environment to be treated with respect -- NOT as our "Gold mine" and "Garbage can" that we can endlessly take what serves us and dump toxins and anything else into, that is "no longer wanted or required for the profit/convenience of humankind".


The right to acknowledge that there is only "One God" and only "One Creator", be that "God", "Alla", or "Mother nature". Those "Corporates" who are professing and acting as "Gods" by creating new life forms such as GMOs, Cloned and GM animals, Transgenic plants, etc. must be "STOPPED". The final outcome of this reckless regard for God and/or Nature can be no different than the outcome of a "joyride by teenagers" at speeds of 250mph on a winding gravel road.


ivan ... "The human race is challenged more than ever before to demonstrate our mastery - not over nature - but of ourselves." - Rachel Carson, environmentalist
(the hyperlinks can be found directly on his page)

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/end-guantanamo-for-dairy-cows

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/ban-the-feeding-of-arsenic-to-canadian-chickens

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/14/tell-congress-stop-practise-of-feeding-poultry-feces-to-food-producing-animals

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/Tell-Mr-Harper-Carley-deserves-an-ANSWER

This is an important health issue. I am very surprised that the US FDA allows chicken litter and "biosolids" (a euphemism for sewage sludge) to be used as feed or spread on fields, it is a blatant lack of concern for human and animal health and welfare. No money issue can condone this.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 1:06 am
sorry, all the page got coied in somehow, cowboss.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 7:52 am
Cowboss, I agree that there is no valid reason to feed chicken anything to cows. The are herbivore ruminants not meat-eaters.

ANd there is no reason to feed nay animal fecal material from another animal. YUCK!

Prions are an abberant form of a normal protein found in nervous system tissue. So such, they wouldn't be very likely to be found in fecal material. In bone- yes. It is believed that BSE ended up in England from the very bad habit that developed after WWII of feeding ground up sheep bone in cow feed. NOT a good idea if one understands the physiology of cow, and the fact that sheeps have there own form of prions- scrapie.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 8:17 am
Nancy

You seem to be missing something here! How can I make this clear? The simple truth is, if you feed poultry Ground up cattle meal which contains BSE prions the poultry is going to poop BSE prions! You then feed this poop to livestock and YES the cattle may well become infected with BSE. The Brits know lots about how these BSE infected cattle can, when consumed by humans, cause CJD!

An article you will find interesting from the Australian Gov. regarding Poultry litter and the hazards it posses to livestock and people consuming the food from those animals!
http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/dpi/nreninf.nsf/v/DF9E3CF37F9C22C1CA25740F007B2695/$file/Poultry_Litter_Poultry_Manure_and_Poultry_Feed_in_Livestock_Production_Systems.pdf

Poultry Litter, Poultry Manure and
Poultry Feed in Livestock
Production Systems

Hope this helps

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 8:30 am
Cowboss, what is the proof that chickens poop proteins from the nervous system? What scientific study has demonstrated that? THAT is my point.

No argument with the overall hazardous nature of fecal material in general. But the prion protien is found in the nervous system.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:18 am
Nancy: I think you are missing the point. Please spend some time and visit the link Cowboss has provided above. Put simply, BSE prions in = BSE prions out as it relates to the feeding of ruminant meat and bone meal to poultry. They are not destroyed easily - hence they are still viable after having been channeled through poultry. The following is excerpted from an article written by Grant Robertson of the NFU.

"So let’s step back and think about this for a second. It is a practice in the United States to feed chicken litter (manure) to cattle. SRMs – which have been connected to Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE) could conceivably be finding itself into the scattered feed in chicken litter. American cattle are potentially eating feed that could potentially be a link to BSE. That beef is potentially coming into Canada – and we Canadians do not want to seem to say – “uh isn’t something a bit odd here?”

You can read the rest at "http://cowbossatwscc.blogspot.com/2009/05/are-we-eating-american-beef-raised-on.htm". Further, if you were to google for info on this there is a plethora of stuff out there.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:22 am
I know alot about prions and how they cause disease.

Are you saying that they (the prion proteins) never leave the GI tract?

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:33 am
Nancy

Come on 9:18 -- 9:22 = 4 minutes

If we are going to take you seriously you are going to have to do some research. Absolutely no one is questioning the science, Not the Canadian Scientists, Not the EU scientists, Not the Australian Scientists --- WHY YOU???

cowboss "Do the Reasearch -- Ask the Questions" ..... cowboss/09

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:39 am
I understand that the whole problem is the practice of anything to make a quick dollar and why care who it hurts as the worship of the almighty dollar. I knew this country was in big trouble when the government forced out the individual farmers. Big brother no longer watches us - just poisons us and in turn more sickness and in turn more job security for CDC and WHO. Vicious cycle. Thanks Cowboss.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 9:54 am
Cowboss and Karen, Sometimes it is a matter of knowing too much and then looking at what has been presented and seeing a lack of information..

SO let me state:
1. I completely agree that no animal should be fed ANY fecal material. I have stated that before.
2. I am completely aware of all kinds of pathogens in fecal material- far more than the pathogens that are mentioned in your links.
3. I agree also that cows and other ruminants should NOT be fed animal products. I have stated that before.
4. I am questioning how much prions could actually be passed through fecal material given that prions are found in nervous tissue. There are other more direct methods of infection.
5. I am now proposing the hypothesis (which is NOT spelled out in any of your links) that some of the prion is passing directly through the GI tract and not totally entering the chicken bodies. That is my educated guess WHICH IS NOT SPELLED OUT IN YOUR LINK.
6. Of all the possible methods for getting a prion disease, fecal material seems the least likely.
7, I don't see at all how this relates to this particular article here in this submitted article.
8. While I do worry about prions, getting it from cows who have eaten chicken poop from chickens who have eaten cow material from infected cows does seem to be the least likely way to get prion disease.
9. I am far more worried about other methods of transmission.
10. And as stated above, one of those methods is human to human which some of the links claim does not happen- THAT is something I truly DON't Believe!
11. So basically we are 95% agreement, what then is the problem?

And yes, I agree with Gudrun too. The government used to be a better watch dog than it currently is, for a variety of reasons.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 10:04 am
Nancy

So good to hear about the 95% part!

An excerpt from CFIA's feed ban doc at http://www.inspection.gc.ca/english/anima/feebet/pol/pd002e.shtml

Poultry manure is not an approved feed ingredient in Canada.

There are several safety concerns associated with the use of poultry manure as a feed ingredient. First and foremost, the feeding of poultry manure may have implications for the spread of (BSE). An amendment to the Health of Animals Regulations came into effect August 4, 1997 banning the feeding of certain mammalian protein, including ruminant meat and bone meal, to cattle and other ruminants. Poultry manure often contains residues of poultry feed which may contain ruminant meat and bone meal. Thus, feeding poultry manure to cattle may inadvertently result in the feeding of ruminant meat and bone meal to cattle and contravene the Health of Animals Regulations.

Now can we get to the 100%

Thanx

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 10:48 am
Besides the prions, think of all the other ingredients given to poultry, such as antibiotics, which are shed in fecal matter (we see this also in sewage sludge) that can also end up in the poultry litter.
But anyway, I guess everybody agrees that this stuff should not be going into any animal that would end up on our plates. Animals should eat what they are supposed to eat by Nature.
Thx again cowboss.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 10:59 am
Michelle

Thanx for the wise words.

And yes, let's not forget about the Arsenic that is fed to poultry, contaminating the meat, the litter being fed to livestock, and the environment that the remaining manure is spread on! Oh Yea I almost forgot! -- I have a petition on that To!

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 12:27 pm
I would ask the the focus be on the wider general picture. Prions have been found in muscle and blood. Slaughter house waste also goes into the sewage treatment plants as does the residue from funeral homes. Prions not only survive sewage treatment, it survives in soil and becomes more virulent. There is a rumor that prions don't jump species, but you will notice that since sludge spreading expanded dramatically in the early 90s, deer, elk and other assorted animals are suddenly appearing with it. You might also notice an increase in Alzheimer's disease. A lot of this appears to be similar to the downer cow syndrome.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 2:35 pm
Jim

I totally agree with you that there are many paths for these BSE prions to get into the human body BUT at the same time it is my belief that these paths must be removed one at a time. Please do not get the idea that the Banning of sewage sludge application on farmland issue is not important, BECAUSE it is, I know it as do many others, just not the "Right"others YET!

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 2:46 pm
I will try to express myself clearly. I am VERY concerned about sewage sludge (and all kinds of other things too). There are so many thing that it can transmit- pathogens and toxins. I think the chance of prion transmission is far less of a concern than other things.


And I know that Cowboss is for the cows, but not the chickens, but if chickens are eating something- be it prions or arsenic- it is far more likely that that something will be transmitted via eating chicken than via the the chicken poop then being eaten by cows.

Maybe cowboss only eats beef :-).

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 4:39 pm
Nancy

Nancy, Nancy How can you say that cowboss is not for the chickens? Have you not been to My Page Billboard, or do you believe that cowboss "just put those words there because"? To be perfectly clear -- The Ethical Treatment of ALL Farm animals is my focus, along with Food Safety! The last I heard chickens were still birds!

cowboss

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 5:17 pm
Prions are secreted in milk from clinically normal scrapie-exposed sheep. J Virol. Jun 3 2009. doi:10.1128/JVI.00051-09
The potential spread of prion infectivity in secreta is a crucial concern for prion disease transmission. Here, serial protein misfolding cyclic amplification (sPMCA) allowed the detection of prions in milk from clinically-affected animals as well as scrapie-exposed sheep at least 20 months before clinical onset, irrespective of the immunohistochemical detection of protease-resistant PrP(Sc) within lymphoreticular and CNS tissues. These data indicate the secretion of prions within milk during the early stages of disease progression and a role for milk in prion transmission. Furthermore, the application of sPMCA to milk samples offers a non-invasive methodology to detect scrapie during

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 5:55 pm
uhm... There was a report in a journal, cannot prove anything 'cause my Lymed brain doesn't work well anymore, that pathologists, as an association, had taken the position to NEVER do an autopsy on anyone who died of Alzheimer's like disease (remember when we were told that "you can't die from Alzheimer's"), because of the POSSIBILITY that there might be a prion disease involved, and they had absolutely no way to eliminate the protein or sterilize their instruments, so were not going to put their lives or anyone else's at risk. This was after the Mad Cow Disease incidents in Britain. The rest of the world seems to have taken measures to prevent this human created situation. I worry more and more about the US. Your Constitution doesn't seem to protect any of you anymore, except the Super Rich/Super Powerful, who seem to run your country. I am now going to check on any food that I buy to see if it comes from the US, because you don't seem to have any real controls on safety in food. This is like living one of the nightmares that I read about in Science Fiction books in the fifties, the ones that predicted Doom - a world controlled by a very small number of extremely rich, where everyone else was poor and powerless - Bladerunner anyone?

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 6:09 pm
My mother-in-law died from Alzheimer's. Her sister died from Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), often referred to as "Lou Gehrig's Disease," a progressive neurodegenerative disease. We are just touching the tip of this iceberg.

Wednesday August 12, 2009, 7:09 pm
Jim

I fear that your analogy is So Correct, and the iceberg is HUGE. What I cannot understand is why So Many people are so eager to Poo Poo the facts, or just plain do not care. Although we should know that this is not an entirely new phenomenon, it has been said that the band continued to play even as the Titanic sank!

cowboss

Thursday August 13, 2009, 7:01 am
Cowboss, I know that 6you love all animals. Hence the smiley.

Thursday August 13, 2009, 11:32 am
I just went and looked aup the prion and Alzheimers connection.

What is a prion? this is important in understanding this topic. We all have the protein- it is part of a normal nervous system It exists in two forms- normal and diseased. In a sense we are born with one- let's say it is in the shape of a shirt. When exposed to some trigger, it changes shape, let's say to the shape of a pair of pants. The shirt form in normal and causes no problems. Yet the pants form causes CJD in humans. The trigger is believed to be exposure to other abberrant forms - or being exposed to the pant version. Does that make sense? As long as all your normal proteins are in the "shirt" form- no problem. Being exposed to prions in the abberrant form catalyzes the shift to the abberrant form in your own body.

SO, in the articles that I just read, they were looking at the normal form and changes in the amounts being assocaited with Alzheimers. It was not the abberrant form that was being examined. In a way that makes it less scary, and in a way it is scarier. In fact the discussed the whole idea of abberrant protein folding of other nervous tissue proteins, something that does happen naturally and is associated with age.

So- my apologies for not believing you, but the symptoms of AS and CJD are not the same. And it was not the exact same form of the protein being examined.

Overall, I believe that prions are one of the scariest things I have heard of.

Thursday August 13, 2009, 11:54 am
I see Cowboss and Jim Bynum are tracking together now. They both have loads of links on disease transfer, unsustainable practices, agricultural follies beyond belief...The rest of us will be playing 'Catch Up' for a while.
Cowboss...you seem to have the widest range of resources. I'll 'pirate' your BlogRoll at The Bovine for my Index on Del.icio.us http://delicious.com/OPITand will pop them into the file on Opit's LinkFest! - likely ending up at Collections Forwarded to Blogger at http://my.opera.com/oldephartte/links
I can't see you having any problems with that, but if you do, you know where to find me.
Jim - don't feel neglected. That's a crackerjack program you have going. If I have any thought, it's just that newcomers may feel that much info overpowering! ( Not that I should talk. )

Friday August 14, 2009, 11:53 am
Love your Titanic analogy. Thanks Cowboss.