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FEMA: Don't Sue Us for Toxic Trailers!


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: FEMA, Katrina victims, trailers, toxic fumes, US government, US federal agency corruption, lawsuits, Gulf Stream Coach, formaldehyde )

RC
- 521 days ago - abcnews.go.com
Yet another example of the lack legal - and moral - accountability that has been the hallmark of nearly all US federal agencies during the George & Dick show. Contemptible!
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RC deWinter (418)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 6:18 am
Here's the beauty part!

Note the publication date of the article: FEMA Knew Of Toxic Gas In Trailers
 

Dee C. (529)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 6:34 am
Sad to say..but I'm not surprised..Pretty well known how most of these agencies work..
Noted..
 

Maggi P. (76)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 7:23 am
If WE do it, prosecution and conviction....If the government does it, IMMUNITY.....what a crock of......!!!!!!!! I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore....How about YOU????

noted, thank you, Cate
 

Joan Mclaughlin (133)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 7:50 am
I am pissed!! It wouldn't surprise me if one of the parents with affected children buy a gun and start picking govt. officials off.I'n not condoning this but it wouldn't surprise me.People can be pushed just so far.WHY DO WE TEACH OUR CHILDREN NOT TO LIE AND WONDER WHY IT DOESN'T ALWAYS WORK?KIDS READ THE PAPERS IN SCHOOLS.
 

Jennifer Shaw (27)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:02 am
Terrible and just insane. Sadly, I can't say I'm surprised either.
Noted, Cate. Thanks.
 

Mary Zoglio (169)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:23 am
WELL WE HAVE FOUND ANOTHER LOOP HOLE IN THE SYSTEM OF THE GORVENMENT AND WHO PAYS THE PRICE WE DO BY ALLOWING THIS AND NOT STANDING UP,THE TIME IS NOW FOR CHANGE SO PLEASE HELP MAKE THE CHANGES TO LIVE AND HAVE A BETTER LIFE IT BEGINS WITH USE!!!!!!!THANK YOU CATE...NOTED WITH DISGUESSD
 

White Wolf H. (468)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:28 am
Noted ..Thanks
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:28 am

- every one knows that the usa used haarp to do katrina.
- everyone knows that the Fema debacle was intentional,
- everyone knows that this apparent display of stupidity, is just a show for the sheeple
 

Joycey B. (697)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:33 am
Noted with anger and disgust. Thanks for another informative story Cate.
 

Brenda H. (140)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 8:35 am
I'M PISSED OFF TOO JOAN!I LIVE IN LOUISIANA AND IT HAS BEEN ONE OF THE MOST CHILDISH BS I HAVE EVER HEARD OF AND THE PEOPLE HERE ARE "STILL" SUFFERING AN WAITING FOR HELP FROM OUR "DON'T GIVE A CRAP" GOVERMENT! THEY AS USELESS AS TITS ON A BOAR HOG!
 

Jim Phillips (2584)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 9:42 am
"But other lawmakers charged that FEMA's response augurs poorly for the nation's emergency preparedness. "I haven't seen this level of government incompetence outside of the nation of China. . . . And they executed an official in China for not having done their job," said Rep. Jim Cooper (D-Tenn.), alleging parallels in lax consumer regulations and an uncaring government."

"No one is asking for that here, but how about a simple application of the golden rule?"

While we may dislike China for many things, there's an idea - Execute those who fail to do their jobs...

TY, Cate.

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 10:32 am
Very sad. They are trying to put their lives back together and this is what the gov't does. :( Noted.
 

Carolyn T. (235)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 10:42 am
Noted...a classic case of passing the buck. Was Truman the last/only president who acknowledge where the buck stops? Totally a convenient game being played by bureaucrats and big business at the expense of the people. What the water did not take the trailors poisoned, not only the ocupants but, perhaps, for generations. Genocide the American way. And just what have I done about it except to write a few letters, make a few calls, and sign a petition here and there? Shame on me. Thank you, Cate, for making me look unflinchiingly at whether I have done enough.
 

RC deWinter (418)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 10:49 am
Don't forget to sign for Julie - we need only 320 more signatures - Justice for Julie
 

Eternal Optimist (115)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 11:06 am
Noted with angst. Thanks Cate for exposing them :(
 

Barbara Liebowitz (908)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 11:33 am
noted thank you
 

Scott Shaubel (816)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 12:26 pm

VIDEO - Save Our Earth from Pat Woertz,ADM,Monsanto ..
 

Edward Stetser (3)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 12:54 pm
Thanks Cate for exposing them. The Bushies do it to us again.
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (526)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 1:57 pm
FEMA:
"Hey, it's not OUR fault! Blame the manufacturers!
We're FEMA, we don't make mistakes!".

"You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie!"
-George W. Bush,
to then-FEMA director
Michael Brown, in the
aftermath of Katrina/Rita.
 

Carol W. (125)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 2:35 pm
I am still kinda reeling from what a US Marine admitted to me in a long conversation...a crack US Marine drill sergeant with 12 years of professional training and being a trainer in the Marines. He specialized in hardening them to win (ie-fire on women and children wherever appropriate, "show no mercy" etc.)

He CONFIRMED lots of things to me to me I already knew, and revealed lots of new things to me.

MARINE CONFIRMS PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE FOR MARTIAL LAW-

HE ADMITTED (actually, BOASTED would be more appropriate) that there were INDEED PRISONER BOXCARS PREPOSITIONED EVERYWHERE THROUGHOUT MONTANA where I interviewed him(and nationwide)...that the military has properly assessed the civilian resistance/militia threat under martial law, and hence had everything in place for a military takeover USING US MARINES HEAVILY.


Quote:
"WHY do you THINK that they have the Marines in place in Billings, Montana, " he bragged. He explained that MARINES would be used most heavily in Montana(and NATIONWIDE) under martial law...and he was evidently quite proud of their role. He admitted they had been hardened to kill...and that killing women and children would be a part of their agenda wherever deemed necessary.


WHY? He said that under a state of war or martial law, it is a known fact that women can be used and even children to convey information to"the enemy." (OR to combat US forces.)

He shared then how many men in his platoon stationed overseas had been killed or hurt because a Marine refused his orders, to fire on an eight year old child. The child was suspected to be a courier for the Mujahideen, transporting information about Marine logistics and whereabouts,to the Moslems they were fighting. And as a result of enemy information getting thru, many men in his platoon were injured or killed by resultant Moslem attack.


Quote:
"The child may not have even known what he was transporting," the Marine told me, "But the damage to our men occurred regardless...all because one man refused his orders and failed to take out this threat..."

Quote:
Marine Mentality-"LOTS OF AMERICAN ARE DUMB SHEEP!"


I expressed to him my deep concerns over innocent people being terminated in such camps. He explained the military mentality of thinking.

"MOST AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE DUMB SHEEP" and sheep can be dangerous IF they cannot be controlled or pose a threat to the security of the US military forces under martial law or endanger their operations. In such cases THEY MUST BE TAKEN OUT...as in NEW ORLEANS. He admitted that his Marine buddies had been shooting and killing a lot of people down there...people who will not surrender their weapons when asked, etc.

Quote:
"We have the philosophy in the military that you SACRIFICE ONE OR A FEW FOR THE GOOD OF THE MANY..."


In others words, IF a person, OR a group (Patriot leader, militia leader and their group, etc., or various people under martial law) poses a threat to the good of the MANY (in the US military) then they will sacrifice those people.

When I shared with him how my previous research uncovered the hidden reality of NWO RESISTANCE within the ranks of the US military, he looked at me with narrowed eye intensity and responded, "NOT THESE MARINES...NOT MY MEN! These men have been prepared and trained and equipped...THEY ARE PREPARED FOR MARTIAL LAW and they have been trained to WIN."

 

Carol W. (125)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 2:40 pm

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

What is the Federal Emergency Management Agency? Simply put, it is the "secret government". This agency has powers and authority that go well beyond any other agency in the nation. What can FEMA do? It can suspend laws. It can move entire populations. It can arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and can hold them without a trial. It can seize property, food supplies, and transportation systems. And it can even suspend the Constitution of the United States.

When the first concept had been presented, its original mission was to assure the survivability of the United States Government in the event of a nuclear attack. It's secondary function was to be a Federal coordinating body during times of domestic disasters. These disasters consisted of earthquakes, floods, and hurricanes.

The "secret" black helicopters that are reported throughout the US,
 

Stuart Thomas (267)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 3:13 pm
Thank, Cate, for informing me about this issue. In making up our minds about this issue, we should click on the link you have in your initial comment: FEMA Knew Of Toxic Gas In Trailers.
 

Maggi P. (76)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 3:22 pm
"IF a person, OR a group (Patriot leader, militia leader and their group, etc., or various people under martial law) poses a threat to the good of the MANY (in the US military) then they will sacrifice those people."

WHO gets to determine what is best for the MANY???????

That is the sad part about the military (and I speak from experience, my ex husband being a 22 year career Marine). They are MORE brainwashed and dangerous than your average 'freedom fighter', IMHO. My ex deealt with new recruits in boot camp and I can tell you, some of the things they do to those poor guys to get them to 'obey' is criminal.

Thanks for the share, Carol W.......(sigh)
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (526)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 3:24 pm
Carol, I've heard stories and seen pictures of these
boxcars for years. There are reports of flatcars, between
the boxcars, on which there are "assembly line" guillotines.
Outside of Indianapolis, there is an old Amtrak repair shed.
It has been retrofitted with enormous blower fans on the roof,
and intake ducts along the side of the building. It is presumed
that this is where us "undesirables" will be taken for a quick
execution.....if we don't lose our heads on the flatcars first.
Everything you've said about FEMA, the shadow government, is
absolutely true. I've seen multiple corroborations of this, and
I am posession of documented evidence that these claims are true.
Thanks, Carol, for speaking the truth, and waking people up!
 

Ken S. (41)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 3:32 pm
That is very disturbing news Carol........we have heard of this...but now credible confirmation........'tis a real concern...for us all...
 

Phyllis P. (404)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 4:30 pm
OK...who the hell should they sue? Someone needs to be accountable.
 

David Gould (146)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 4:36 pm
As a professional woodworker for the last twelve years I have been warning people of the dangers of both 'chip-board' and 'MDF board' both of which are glued together using ....yes you have guessed it...FORMALDEHYDE. Over the years this chemical within the glue breaks down and produces toxic gasses that have been linked to Cancer and other brain disfunctions.

In the sixties we were all encouraged to fill our homes with cheap chip-board furniture which is now the cause of so much of the cancers we see in older age groups.

Caravans (or trailers as you call them)are a combination of the very worst of building materials including cheap ply woods that also use FORALDEHYDE based glues as well as thin chip and MDF. Oh and just to make your day...I tested a whole range of products for a British company that imported kitchen ware from the far East...you know those chopping boards made up of end sections of wood glued together...guess what glue they use. YUP good old FORMALDEHYDE again so introducing into the food chain a substance that was delevloped to embalm dead bodies and know to cause cancer.

I have always been an advocate for solid wood even before I embarked upon my career as a woodworker. I use traditional glues that were developed in the 1800s and never bettered for safety.
 

Cary Vizzutti (15)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 4:45 pm
Impeachment hearing tomorrow
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv478I8p3e8&feature=email

 

Rachel Markel (27)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 5:14 pm
Hold people in power accountable!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 6:03 pm
For "the good of the country"or "good of the people"read for the good of profits and those who make profits.Those 50 or so regimes,overthrown by the US state since the end of World War Two,were not overthrown for the homeless guy,the single mum,the people on the train in Chicago etc.They were overthrown for markets,profits and influence.
Similarly Fema doesn't act for the country,the military doesnt act for the country,the government more nakedly than ever doesn't act for the country.
In the new world order,we are more expendable than ever.Kill a poor person through toxic fumes,and the only question is "how can we limit the effects on our shares that this could have?".
A government is supposed to protect the people .
If Satan (now I don't personally beleive he/it exists..but im talking about the features ,behaviours and thoughts ascribed to him/it)had sat down to create a government he would create this one...
Does it do damage to the name of my enemy God?Check/Does it break all of the major commandments?killing?lying?stealing an all?Check.Does it inflict lots of unneccessary cruelty on all of those meek? ,like the poor?,the homeless?the old folks?,the less fortunate?Check/Is it making a bbbiiggg contribution to screwing up thois earth?Oh yes,big big tick for that one..CHECK.
 

Mary Neal (184)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 6:15 pm
All I can say is that the New World Order has quite a bit of work ahead, as long as there are folks like these who commented on Cate's post. I am a Christian, so I have known all my life that eventually, "they" win. But as long as rational people keep a vigilant lookout, maybe we can delay the inevitable takeover by another generation. We can try.

Frankly, those trailers lined up like that reminded me of a video I was sent by an online member alleging that the govt. has recently purchased and shipped to GA about 500,000 PLASTIC coffins. I don't have the means to validate the info, but here is the link to the video and story:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/half-a-million-plastic-coffins.html

I live in GA, so I hope this is nothing to be alarmed about. What do you think?

Mary
 

Denice G. (45)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 6:52 pm
Not surprised either. I am not a fan of FEMA. During the winter storm on west coast last year, they really were not much help. Their help went to the wrong people. Hot food given and served by the churches and the boy scouts. What they did do is give water. Being rural a lot of people are on wells and with no power there is no water. I guess what I am trying to say is they are pretty much worthless when you need them. Thanks Cate.
 

Lars S. (691)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 7:41 pm
There's alot that irritates me. Keep in mind though people. I think we the citizens pay fema? If so, we cheat ourselves. However, something does need to be done about this. Thing is, people were forced to stay in these damn things way too long. Something else to think about, these trailers are normally sold to average people. Maybe it's time to start looking at the makers of these trailers! Anyone could have been unlucky enough to live in one of these things.
 

Gayla S. (50)
Thursday July 24, 2008, 9:52 pm
Noted and great thanks, Cate.

I agree with the comments made by Jim Cooper in the article regarding China. Actually, by law in Tx, the manufacturer would be the company(ies) that should be sued. There are some questions that I have for example, does anyone know when the first complaint or illness occurred? Need to ck. that.
 

Kim stands for PEACE (141)
Friday July 25, 2008, 12:50 am
Kudos to you Cate for another news piece which exposes the govt and it's agencies for what they are; instruments of death & destruction.
Carol's posts are also eye opening to those who may have not known of the 'plan'.
In my opinion govt. is hazardous to human health & welfare and humans would be much better off without 'em!
Thanx Cate for all you do to educate and enlighten and for providing us with a forum to discuss issues.
My thanx as well to all who have posted their comments, you folks ROCK!


You know there really is still a chance for peace and that chance will definitely increase if we each do our piece. So let’s make peace -- in our homes, in our own hearts, in our relationships, in our communities, in all of our dealings and in the world. Peace be with us all.
 

Sandra M Z. (91)
Friday July 25, 2008, 11:35 am
Agree w/Kim, Carol's posts are very eye opening. As was Mary's video on the coffins, and the comment someone left on that video about white boxcars in Cali with little tiny windows at the top..........

I've heard there is a 20 story prison/city built below DenverInternational Airport. I never in my life before this year would have imagined I would be taken to a prison like that to die, or a camp in Montana or wherever a person might end up. There is a cornfield with a prison in it outside of my hometown also.

I was glad to read on Deepak's page that is isn't my misson to change the whole world, because I've learned enough on here to know I can't. Who can fight the kind of weapons they have now? Sheer numbers will not be enough against frequencies coming out of cell towers, HAARP, bioweapons, UNMARKED BLACK HELICOPTERS HERE PRACTICING FOR THE DNC IN DENVER, flying over our houses for hours with soldiers leaning out the side with weapons out. We had no idea what was going on, and as they were taking off at a condemmed factory a couple blocks from me, we were freaked! Right over the top of our house so close a few times we thought, "are we being attacked?"
. The mayor "didn't know the scope of the operations", so he didn't even inform the citizenry what the (bleep) was going on. Pretty UNAMERICAN, right down to the Mayor. Technology will not be our friend in the end. I think I'm going to spend my last time on Earth finding out about GodConscioussness, it may be all I can really do is try and fix myself.

Noted so sadly for the human family. Thank you, Cate.

 

Carol W. (125)
Friday July 25, 2008, 7:48 pm

I guess the point is, FEMA is never accountable, nor will be.
I saw people turned back into the flood waters of New Orleans at gun point by our National Guard. (How can they say that is helping?) Many stories were told the only way out of the water was by guiding hands of long time residents that knew the breaches to higher ground, because the bridges were guarded.

These trailers seem like they were never meant for anyone to occupy them.
Maybe they have been left on the lots for a future purpose or another reason. Sure had to be a gold mine for some small pocket of favor.

David Gould, thanks for the insight of cutting boards and wood bounding.
That is a wealth of information to share.

I use to have this dream in grade school. I would be in a full class room looking out the window. The sun was shining on the playground but across the highway the sky got darker & darker in as it reached off into the distance. At the darkest reaches of the sky was an enormous evil wrenching face staring down on the city. I felt trapped and wondered why no one else could see it???

I am still wondering....

 

Sandra M Z. (91)
Friday July 25, 2008, 8:12 pm
Sue Metgers is the new head of FEMA, if I'm remembering what I read. That she came from her post at Homeland Security. She has held positions in Denver before that, forgot what.
She was up in Windsor CO where the tornado hit a month or so ago. Big damage, but nowhere a Katrina. I saw her on the news. She said that FEMA had learned a lot from Katrina and the Cooperation Spirit between agencies was making all the difference. Citizens could know they would be covered in a disaster here on out. Also comments about Homeland Security being on top of the DNC, and that any disruption would be quelled fast, etc. something to that affect.

I also wonder Carol. I point blank tell people stuff, and you can tell it's just another T.V. show to them, not real life.......no worries!
 

Sandra M Z. (91)
Friday July 25, 2008, 8:17 pm
Thank you David Gould also. We put new insulation in our house, and right after that, they came out with "formaldahyde free" insulation. We didn't know, and it's too late now!
I also have a cutting board I've had for 30 years as you describe. Guess it's a good thing I never cooked much..........I'll tell others about this also.
 

Amber P. (0)
Friday July 25, 2008, 9:08 pm
I live no where near this area but honestly I do not believe FEMA had a clue these trailer had anything wrong with them. They don't build them they just use them I think the makers should be sued.
 

Maggi P. (76)
Saturday July 26, 2008, 7:31 am
Whether or not FEMA knew how toxic these trailers were, FEMA should have questioned and made sure that they weren't exposing anyone to danger. Don't they inspect merchandise before they purchase it? Or is this just another way our tax dollars are spent frivolously. What really gets me though is that they will hire a team of lawyers to fight these charges at an astronomical cost instead of paying what might be a lesser cost to help the people who have been injured. Now THAT makes sense, doesn't it?????? oy gevalt....
 

Carla H. (117)
Saturday July 26, 2008, 9:57 am
Just for arguments sake we will assume that FEMA didn't know beforehand that the trailers were toxic. What is inexcusable is the fact that they have made no effort whatsoever to do anything about it in the last couple of years SINCE they were made aware of the problem. They are reflecting the general attitude of the Bush administration which is they simply don't give a sh*t!!!!!
 

Michelle Neubert (1)
Saturday July 26, 2008, 5:32 pm
bottom line: when we buy something, find out what it is made of! i took carpeting out and put in cheap pergo flooring strips, but now wonder what new plastic chemical it is made of.
wood, glass, steel, pottery, straw, bamboo -- back to basics.
 

Pastor Tim Redfern (526)
Saturday July 26, 2008, 5:50 pm

 

Edward H. (44)
Monday July 28, 2008, 7:45 am
The federal government's lawyers said FEMA spent more than $2.5 billion to purchase more than 140,000 new trailers from recreational vehicle dealers and trailer manufacturers after the storms. They also said the agency relied on manufacturers to furnish the agency with a "safe, habitable, functional product."

I agree, FEMA isn't responsible other than to provide information on who they were purchased from. On the other hand, why didn't the people air them out? Case in point. Clothes cleaned at a dry cleaner should be aired out...it is chemical based. Rooms with new rugs, (just like paint), should be aired out because of the chemicals used in them. People need to take [some] responsibility...but that doesn't happen anymore...sad...
 
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