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Georgia Seeks Truce, But Russians Push Invasion and Bombing


World  (tags: Georgia, Russia, EU, war, US-Russian relations )

RC
- 3538 days ago - washingtonpost.com
Russians have destroyed the airport and a military factory in Tbilisi, the country's capital. Georgians are now becoming angry at the EU and the US, feeling that they have been abandoned to Russia's overwhelming onslaught.



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RC deWinter (418)
Monday August 11, 2008, 3:53 am
No wonder Bush "loved" Putin and "saw his soul" when they first met. They are cut from the same putrid cloth - BLOOD BROTHERS AND OIL BULLIES.

Putin hates Saakashvili, the president of Georgia, who wants to Westernize his country. This is sickening and I am really angry. Russia is now showing off for the world while killing and maiming unnecessarily.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 4:22 am
Cate - good day and have a GOOD week -

Can you guess who are the three stouges are? Bush, Putin and ........? Hint - he is littleand yellow.
 

David S (55)
Monday August 11, 2008, 5:22 am
In a sense, I see this as a "proxy war" organized around and resulting from the desire by the U.S. and Britian to control the Caspian basin energy reserves. I believe the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline may well be key to understanding this conflict, as the Latini river is to understanding Israel's "water war" invasion attempt of Lebanon in 2006. This pipeline, owned primarily by British Petroleum, allows oil and gas to be exported out of the region while bypassing Russia and Iran. The initial Georgian offensive that started this war came soon after the pipeline was attacked by Kurdish rebels in Turkey.

Also, when one makes deals with untrustworthy people, one should not be surprised when they demonstrate their true regard for what they at best consider to be an expendable pawn. But for whatever reason it started and whatever drives the course of this war, at the end of the day, it is so often people that suffer simply because they happen to be in the wrong place for/in the way of other people's greed.
 

Joycey B (750)
Monday August 11, 2008, 6:15 am
I like blood brothers and oil bullies Cate. Two good words to describe them. I was hoping this would not happen. There is no reason for this. Noted with disgust. Thanks for the update.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 6:20 am
We need to stay out of this......Do we want another Vietnam or Iraqi conflict??????

Keep our boys out of any other war............We do not need to give up our children to save whatever is going on over there!!!!!!!!

PLANT TREES FOR LIFE.................
 

James M (190)
Monday August 11, 2008, 6:30 am
Did anyone else see the interview with Bob Costas? Bush talking about his expressing his dissapointment to Putin and actually saying "here we are promoting peace and harmony"??? I'm not sure how Costas was able to keep a straight face during the interview. What hypocracy...
 

David Gould (155)
Monday August 11, 2008, 6:34 am
I think we all agree this should not be happening...especially while half the world is following the Gangster Games (e.g. run by a gangster country that disregards Human Rights) which are meant to show the concord between nations.

One has to say that it was unwise of Georgia to 'invade' this break-away state knowing it had the backing of more powerful Russia. But that does not excuse the act of bullying that Russia is showing to the world...maybe it is demonstrating that it will come to the aid or its friend Iran if the US is fool enough to invade.

This maybe just a dispute about the Baku-Tblisis-Ceyhan pipeline but I fear that it is a show of strength by a recovering Russia and is meant as a dire warning (to my CIA readers could you please convey this message to your leader in much more simple language and use pictures if words of two or more sylibles are needed...thanks)
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 7:12 am
Stop this war!!!
 

Gayle M (444)
Monday August 11, 2008, 7:15 am
I pray daily for my relatives in Moscow as well as those in the area around Tbilisi. When will they ever have peace AND human rights & welfare?
 

Mary Neal (183)
Monday August 11, 2008, 8:04 am
Another war? Can't we all just get along?

Mary
 

Nevaeh M (75)
Monday August 11, 2008, 8:45 am
I agree with you Mary ! war just darkens the soul .
 

Tim Redfern (581)
Monday August 11, 2008, 9:07 am
Just who the hell does Bush think he is?
It is beyond outrageous that he went to
Putin (at the Games in Beijing, no less)
and said the war in Georgia was "unacceptable".
That's like Adolf saying,
"Benito, you're a little too intense!".
What a little as*hole Bush is.
The BOTH of them are disgusting, putrid little men.
Thanks, Cate.
noted.
 

Estella Ameigh (22)
Monday August 11, 2008, 9:48 am
Thanks Cate. Peace not war.
 

Phyllis P (237)
Monday August 11, 2008, 11:13 am
unbelieveable
 

Past Member (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 11:14 am
Bette -

I know you for being a compassionate human being againsst violence - that is why I take the comment "over there" not necessarily negative.... The "over there" perception is exactly what makes these wars and conflicts possible. We have to understand that this earth has only xyz resources, one nature, one climate, one human race - we are all homo sapiens sapiens - we have red blood and we all share the same genetic make-up and nervous system ---- so "over there" is actually as far as your neighbors' front yard!! It concerns us all.

I do agree - for the the US - stay out of it - even though the US is already involved, helping the soldiers of Georgia, deployed in Iraq to transport out - providing transport. Putin did critize this today....
 

. (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 11:17 am
we better stay out of it for once
 

Brenda H (29)
Monday August 11, 2008, 11:41 am
DITTO WHAT MY FRIEND TIM SAID!! WELL SAID! THANKS CATE!
 

Jim P (3257)
Monday August 11, 2008, 12:05 pm
This may very well be the excuse for USA to be in the Persian Gulf with their warships, aircraft carriers just waiting for the one "Appropriate SPARK" to get into Iran.

Yep, it is all about the "Black Gold". For those of you not familiar with
the idiom Black Gold - it is "OIL".

USA supported Georgia with "technical" advisors and equipment. But, once the fighting started,
bush "conveniently" backed away from Georgia and condemned Russia.

It is the regular people, innocents, who are being slaughtered. They are expendable, part of collateral damage.

Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran:
http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html


TY, Cate.

 

Susan L (118)
Monday August 11, 2008, 12:15 pm
Thanks for posting. Noted and passing it along.
 

Dave Kane (308)
Monday August 11, 2008, 12:26 pm
This whole thing smells of a set-up -- i don't believe much of wht i've read concerning who started what -- what, me cynical?!?

Who knows what promises and other prior bs was laid out in order to get this litte (i hope)war started. US 'advisors were in Georgia until one month ago and yes, imho it's all about the resources that an ever-increasingly energy hungry world (China Russia, GB, US, the usual culprits plus some relative new comers) believes is the only answer -- or at least the Easy, Quick, answer

Peace
y'all --

check this link for stories about US military involement in Georgia Very Recently http://pupaganda.com/2008/08/09/evidence-of-us-military-presence-in-georgia.aspx
 

David S (55)
Monday August 11, 2008, 1:15 pm
I have also noted your link, Jim, and am re-quoting for clarity...I did also note the date, "August 7th"…

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/08/massive-us-naval-armada-heads-for-iran.html

“Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran

Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the “enemy force”.

The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.

They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.

Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle

....”

Hmm…the game is afoot…

Further in…

“A strategic diversion has been created for Russia. The Republic of Georgia, with US backing, is actively preparing for war on South Ossetia. The South Ossetia capital has been shelled and a large Georgian tank force has been heading towards the border. Russia has stated that it will not sit by and allow the Georgians to attack South Ossetia. The Russians are great chess players and this game may not turn out so well for the neo-cons….”

Definately prophetic words….

But...let's go one step further connecting the dots...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c
 

David S (55)
Monday August 11, 2008, 1:17 pm
I got truncated...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?c
 

David S (55)
Monday August 11, 2008, 1:21 pm
Simply easier to post as a new story and reference that way...

http://www.care2.com/news/member/631987138/844229

"The Caucasus —Washington Risks nuclear war by miscalculation
by F. William Engdahl


The dramatic military attack by the military of the Republic of Georgia on South Ossetia in the last days has brought the world one major step closer to the ultimate horror of the Cold War era—a thermonuclear war between Russia and the United States—by miscalculation. What is playing out in the Caucasus is being reported in US media in an alarmingly misleading light, making Moscow appear the lone aggressor. The question is whether George W. Bush and Dick Cheney are encouraging the unstable Georgian President, Mikhail Saakashvili in order to force the next US President to back the NATO military agenda of the Bush Doctrine. This time Washington may have badly misjudged the possibilities, as it did in Iraq, but this time with possible nuclear consequences.

The underlying issue, as I stressed in my July 12 Global Research article entitled Georgia, Washington and Moscow: a Nuclear Geopolitical Poker Game , is the fact that since the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact in 1991 one after another former member as well as former states of the USSR have been coaxed and in many cases bribed with false promises by Washington into joining the counter organization, NATO.

..."
 

Daniel Barker (35)
Monday August 11, 2008, 3:10 pm
NO MORE OIL. If we drive electric cars and stop eating meat three meals a day we can end our madness of dependence on foreign oil. At worst we can drill our own until something better comes along. I don't care what it takes - nukes (I'm willing to move to the old Vitro tailings in the middle of Salt Lake County and turn it into a nuclear recycling facility
to show I support nuclear), coal, wind, solar, wave, tidal, geothermal, gas - anything to end the madness of foreign oil.

A hundred years ago we did not use oil and the only difference is the ambulance took longer (drawn by horses).

Where are the war protestors from my generation? Why are we not protesting oil?

 

Dolores H (2)
Monday August 11, 2008, 4:55 pm
I have a feeling that this is going to get more violent than it already is, before we see a resolution.
 

Sabrina Suhaili (12)
Monday August 11, 2008, 5:58 pm
Thanks cat. the war should be stop..
 

. (0)
Monday August 11, 2008, 8:58 pm
Beaves & Butthead are not going to stop they are going to keep on until someone really gets ticked off at us for sticking our nose in and, they will nuke us. I pray we stay out of this one but, it looks like we are so far but setting out there in the waters just waiting for the right tim I guess. Thanks Cate
 

Denice G (45)
Monday August 11, 2008, 9:53 pm
Tim I think putrid little men is one of the bet description of Bush and Putin I have heard. Thanks again Cate
 

Darlene K (356)
Monday August 11, 2008, 10:18 pm
I know many actions from our government and military have been and are for the desires of OIL, but I have always felt a strong gut feeling that this has always been about more than just the OIL....
I strongly sense another agenda play of "the powers that be" that is of a global concern, and this move by Russia is not for the greater good. I don't like what I am hearing, reading, and seeing of what is mounting on that side of the globe. More deaths of innocent souls..., are never acts of "good", upon humanity. It will get worse..., but we will prevail with strong energy of Faith, Hope and Love..Namaste, Very noted Cate, thank you.
 

Eric Straatsma (3802)
Monday August 11, 2008, 10:31 pm
Well, what you do in a Russian position after Bush installs missiles on your borders, infiltrates your former territory with US military and CIA forces, and takes away resources that used to flow to Russia, all the while daring you to do anything about it?

I think we are seeing Putin saying; games up... here I am moving my queen to threaten your King... he will not let the US push him around, and no blustering by Bush will force him to the peace table.. Putin has too much to gain and very little to lose.

What is the US going to do, if Russia keeps advancing into Georgia; INVADE? Ha, a forty four country world war.... why not double the invasion budget and borrow another Trillion or two or three from our favorite funny money buddies in Communist China? So far, they keep buying the worthless Treasury bonds to finance an illegal invasion that is bankrupting the US, and corrupting us royally, while destroying the democracy and freedom we once held dear.

Well, wait a minute, maybe the Chinese are not so dumb after all.. If they keep us fighting, and exhausting ourselves all the way down into the TOILET, then they can just waltz in and take over, owning everything... Bankers do that you know, especially when you cannot pay your debts.

 

Darlene K (356)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 12:40 am
I would never under-estimate the arrogance of our Intelligence Divisons with our President. They want war.., maybe to try out a new bio-chemically engineered weapon on a group of subjects, maybe to instill fear into the people who are waking up to their illusions, or maybe both and more...
 

Anita H (142)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 6:02 am
Thanks Kate.
 

Anita H (142)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 7:53 am
Looking again and reading the article...i see how this is slanted and the source after all is Washington Post...hmmmm.What the hell is Russia supposed to do? It is after all being threatened not by Georgia but by the USA and Israel!
 

Todd Putnam (2)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 12:43 pm
I agree with Kate. Georgia launches an attack that targets civilians and peacekeepers, killing 2000. What is Russia supposed to do? Of course I don't trust Putin, but when one considers that Georgia is a proxy state run by the Bush-Cheney neo-cons, I am not going to trust it either. Clearly Georgia's invasion was done at the direction of the US, and the Russian response was foreseen in advance. So what is the endgame here? One thing is clear; all these chess moves have been predetermined on both sides. War sucks.
 

Todd Putnam (2)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 12:50 pm
Oops. I mean, I agree with Anita. Yep.
 

Lynn Kane (54)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 12:58 pm
Unless one has followed CLOSELY what Georgia has been subjected to by Russia all of these years, 'Ignorance' is bliss.. thanks Noted
 

RC deWinter (418)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 4:47 pm
The Justice for Julie petition is SO CLOSE. If you haven't read about Julie and signed, please do now - many thanks.
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday August 12, 2008, 10:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cma-KX9sXwQ&NR=1
Georgian war:message for America from an American!
 

Thomas Panto (364)
Wednesday August 13, 2008, 10:35 am

Peace and freedom is never delivered by an Army.
Slavery is.
 

Blue Bunting (855)
Friday August 15, 2008, 3:04 pm
connect the dots ... to the war profiteers ... and BIG OIL ...

Cameron on McCain Speech: Georgian Oil Pipeline "Very, Very Important" for U.S. Energy Independence


During the August 12 edition of Fox News' Your World, Fox News chief political correspondent Carl Cameron said of Sen. John McCain's speech earlier that day in York, Pennsylvania: "Senator McCain opened his remarks...
 
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