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JAIL POLANSKI Petition


Society & Culture  (tags: abuse, activists, celebrity, child, children, crime, dishonesty, ethics, law, media )

Lady
- 57 days ago - thenewagenda.net
JAIL POLANSKI Petition!The New agenda is a non-partisan Feminsit Organization that is standing up for Women and girls around our country.Speak out for victims and tell the judicial system that Rape is a crime no matter who you are!
Comments

Just Carole (421)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 7:10 am

Confirm Petition Signature - The New Agenda

Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
 

Kara L. (38)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 7:24 am
I agree...I don't care who you are, if you're an adult, you should know better than to have sex with a THIRTEEN year old girl! (and even she instigates it, that doesn't make it ok!)
Petition signed and signature confirmed. Thanks, Lady!!
 

Raymond S. (23)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 7:41 am
Done!!! Hopefully before "Nike" or the NFL make a hero out of him!
 

chris b. (1180)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 7:55 am
Well your right there Raymond someone is bound to think this guy is a hero! Fame or talent is no excuse to commit sordid cruel acts like raping a young girl or anyone else for that matter! Any one wishing to borrow my rusty blunt scissors will have to form an orderly queue! I'm afraid the number of times there services have been called upon they are now quite shiny!
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:28 am
Thank you guys for getting involved.It is so very important that we take a stand againt sexual crimes against children,women and men.
we also need to take a direct stand against Hollywood croonies and the ubber privelged.And let them know that we don't care WHO they are!
You are not above the law!
Thank you all...and big hugs with stars.
 

Irvn R. (48)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:55 am
I could not disagree more.. the woman has suffered enough, now to be a media sensation — this needs to be buried
 

NE L. (52)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:08 am
I could not disagree more....he MUST pay for his crime. Burying this would only send the wrong message. The rich & famous are NOT above the law.

Thanks JC....signed and forwarded!
 

Lena Corkie Martino (166)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:18 am
Polanski needs to spend the rest of his life in prison.

To Irvn above - You are whacked out. I would not wish what happened to that girl when she was 13 to happen to anyone at any age. Regardless of how long ago it happened, Polanski is still a pervert and the only reason he has not been punished yet is because he ran! For you to dismiss what he did to a young girl makes me think you are a pervert advocate and are no better than Polanski. Disgusting.
 

Lena Corkie Martino (166)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:20 am
Confirm Petition Signature - The New Agenda
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.

Take me back to "The New Agenda"
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:41 am
Irvn I understand what you are saying.Many think it should be buried out of respect for what the victim wants.
None of us calling for justice want this to be a Media circus.
and the Media should be respectful of this matter and the victim.
But this man should pay for his crime.
he drugged,raped and sodomized a 13 yr old girl.
And we need to send a clear message to these scum that there is NEVER an excuse to violate a person or even an animal in such a way.Period.
This is not about the victim any more.This is about justice plain and simple.
Hollywood and the privelged Elite feel they are beyond the Law.
Look at Micheal Vick.even though he served time in jail (a mere 18 months) for his crime.He is now back on the road to wealth and graces of the elite.A new team and a brand new spanking Nike contract for the dog killer!That is not justice for the animals,just as letting polanski continue his wealthy and priveledged life in europe continue.
Thru his exile from the US he has a massed wealth,several Mansions in different countries and even gotten an Oscar for a film.
That is a totaly lack morality on the part of Hollywood in my eyes.who constant berat average people for our religious believes among other even considering us below them on a moral scale.Yet here they are supporting and even excusing a child rapist.
I say if anything sign the Petition to send a clear message to Hollywood and the Elite of the World that we the common man and woman are taking a stand against their bourgeois nature.And are calling for equality even on the level of criminal justice.
They are NOT above the law or above US.
 

Barry B. (20)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:42 am
Signed.
 

Irvn R. (48)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:50 am
not much difference between a witch hunt and this discussion
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 10:00 am
irvn
the media could choose not to pursue the victim and the law could still proceed as designed.
and frankly, the most important element is protecting potential victims. we have no idea what this guy's been up to all these years.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 10:01 am
Sorry you think that way Irvn.
But the proof is in the testimony.
The little girl even told Him "no" several times.
He drugged her,raped her and sodomized her.
i don't call that a witch hunt I call that a conviction.
The only reason he probably got only the count of sex with a minor is because of his celebrity status.If he had been some shmuck off the street he would have had the book thrown at him.
 

Lena Corkie Martino (166)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 10:42 am
Here ya go Irvn - Witch hunt indeed.
Polanski The Predator
Recently unsealed grand jury minutes detail 1977 sex assault
MARCH 11--It's been 26 years since Roman Polanski's arrest for sexually abusing a 13-year-old girl, but the director's Oscar nomination and the success of his film "The Pianist" has again focused attention on the March 1977 crime that prompted his French exile.

Polanski, 69, will not discuss the case and his victim, Samantha Geimer, now 39, has recently said that the sex assault should not color his chances with Academy Award voters. But that, of course, does not lessen the severity of the crime, which is graphically detailed in the following grand jury testimony, which was quietly unsealed four months ago by L.A. Superior Court Judge David Wesley.

Two weeks after Polanski plied her with Champagne and a Quaalude, Samantha Gailey appeared before an L.A. grand jury and recalled Polanski's predatory behavior in a Mulholland Canyon home owned by Jack Nicholson.

The teenager's troubling--and contemporaneous--account of her abuse at Polanski's hands begins with her posing twice for topless photos that the director said were for French Vogue. The girl then told prosecutors how Polanski directed her to, "Take off your underwear" and enter the Jacuzzi, where he photographed her naked. Soon, the director, who was then 43, joined her in the hot tub. He also wasn't wearing any clothes and, according to Gailey's testimony, wrapped his hands around the child's waist.

The girl testified that she left the Jacuzzi and entered a bedroom in Nicholson's home, where Polanski sat down beside her and kissed the teen, despite her demands that he "keep away." According to Gailey, Polanski then performed a sex act on her and later "started to have intercourse with me." At one point, according to Gailey's testimony, Polanski asked the 13-year-old if she was "on the pill," and "When did you last have your period?" Polanski then asked her, Gailey recalled, "Would you want me to go in through your back?" before he "put his penis in my butt." Asked why she did not more forcefully resist Polanski, the teenager told Deputy D.A. Roger Gunson, "Because I was afraid of him."

Following his indictment on various sex charges, Polanski agreed to a plea deal that spared him prison time (he had spent about 45 days in jail during a court-ordered psychiatric evaluation). But when it seemed that a Superior Court judge might not honor the deal--and sentence Polanski to prison--the director fled the country.

Below you'll find links to Gailey's grand jury testimony, the heart of which runs 36 pages (we've broken the transcript into two 18-page sections for easier navigation).

Click here for transcript pages 1-18

Click here for transcript pages 19-36
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/polanskicover1.html

 

Frank Gerry (47)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 11:13 am
Signed it, thanks LL.
 

chris b. (1180)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 11:28 am
Irvn I don't know whether you would take the same stance if the perpetrator was not famous or if the rape had occured to your nearest and dearest, what if it had been your child, sister, mother, partner etc? If you are happy for that to happe to them then you are a strange person! If you are happy for people to get away with a crime they pled guilty to what sort of message does it give? Is it if your famous crime does not matter?
 

Bee Hive Lady (305)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 12:10 pm
Signed & thanks. LL
 

Dar D. (282)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 12:43 pm
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
Thank you LL
 

Northern N. (89)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 1:22 pm
I could never understand why America never went after this monster before -but wait - money and Hollywood it would seems talks and rules America now to a degree --- He should be thrown in jail and never get out .... that is my wish for this pervert .... signed LL - thank you ....
 

Kristi K. (1936)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 1:32 pm
I signed! The victim was only 13 years old. Who believes this is the only victim? He should also register as a sex offender.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 2:10 pm
Signed. He needs to pay the time. These Hollywood idiots think that they are above the law.

Ah Irvn...what part of CHILD PREDATOR do you not understand? Whitch hunt, are you serious?

Sickening that's what it is.
 

Cathi Hartline (89)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 3:51 pm
thank You so much for the petition Lady L.!! I agree, RAPE is RAPE SONDOMY is SODOMY, 13 is 13 just becauwe He could live the easy weathy powerful life, being famous as a fugitive, does not erase what He DID!! Phil Specter did what he did and went to jail....Polensky should too!!!!
 

Barb B. (4)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 4:42 pm
Signed. Rape is rape - not only did he plea to a lesser charge but then he jumped bail. If he wasn't one of Hollywood's darlings, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
 

Lyn C. (27)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 5:53 pm
Just signed! The only thing I can add, and this is directed to anyone who thinks that just because this took place many years ago it shouldn't be prosecuted, is think again, HARD. I was attacked when I was 14 and although it was not considered a rape, it was a sexual attack. This happened to me more decades ago than Polanski's attack, and I can still feel the terror and helplessness that I felt then, and see, hear and feel the whole picture in my mind as though it were just the other day. This kind of thing never leaves a person, even though you get on with your life.

Like someone else said here, who knows if he's done this before or since that day. He figured he'd get away with it, the utter lack of any remorse on his face when pictured after being picked up is a sure sign of his belief in his not being prosceuted.

Lync
 

Michael Owens (1625)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 6:26 pm
Signed.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 6:42 pm
Bless your heart Lyn c.
I am so very sorry that you had to live through that.
No ONE should have to live through that.EVER!
I think people all too often forget exactly how bad something like this actually impacts a human being.
And even through the years you find a hidden strength that you could not possible ever thought you had.
The memories remain.
Thank you so much for weighing in.
Everyone truly thanks.
 

Gorilly Girl (371)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 6:46 pm
Lyn I DO understand what your going through and you NEVER get over it...It just stays buried in that deepest darkest place in our souls....and we so hope it doesnt show...

Big Gorilly Hugs
 

Rebecca H. (29)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 7:16 pm
the difference between this and a witch hunt is that with a witch hunt there is a chance you can catch the witch and BURN HIM AT THE STAKES/ Any adulth that puts their hands on a minor for lustful purposes should be slowly tortured to death. PERIOD!!!!
 

faith a. (179)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 8:18 pm
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.

What?????? Polanski obviously couldn't deal with a full grown real woman in bed....
JAIL HIM! and for Gods sake get him some therapy for it is obvious he has issues regarding real full grown women!
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:23 pm
Signed, Sealed...now let's DELIVER...Polanski and all the other perpetrators to jail where they belong! I am so sick and tired of these people running and running only to then try and get off on a technicality. Not only is he a sick pedophile but he is a coward as well.

People have been saying, "Ohh, he's gone through so many tragedy's in his life...why make him dredge this up again now?" Well, millions of people have gone through henous tragedies INCLUDING the young girl who was victimized by Polanski! And these victims need to deal with their scars every single day while the likes of the perpetrators run and live their lives and pretend as if they did nothing wrong.
 

Carolyn T. (244)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 9:26 pm
noted; "Thank you for signing the petition. An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature."

Repugnant predator! Being a well-known producer of influence should not matter in the least and fleeing from facing up to his crime should weigh heavily in how he is dealt with. Personally, I have boycotted any of his work for years.

Thank you for posting the story, Lady.
 

Julie van Niekerk (134)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 10:55 pm
It is payback time mister.
 

Karin S. (30)
Thursday October 1, 2009, 11:58 pm
This is for Irvn -maybe YOU should be locked in a cell and sodomised - perhaps then you would see this is in a different light! If you had ever been through this as I and so many others have - you would NEVER be able to dismiss it and think that this man should get away with it. It does not matter how long it has been since the incident - you NEVER forget and it destroys your life and future relationships! SHAME ON YOU
 

chris b. (1180)
Friday October 2, 2009, 1:39 am
The "culture" of appease the criminal with it's army of supplicant lawyers is in some way responsible for the criminal assuming a get out clause! The use of the technicality to aquit the gulty is something that I find particulary nausiating. Such tricks as rubbishing the victim in a rape case by saying she or he has always "put it about" and other sort of smear tactics. What relevance has prior sexual conduct got to do with anything? Lawyers will attempt any kind of underhanded maneuvre to dislodge or discredit the charge. Even to the point of attacking the arresting officers creditibility by suggesting he left a word out of the caution and therefore the arrest was not lawful or he entered the accused property and found evidence but it is not admissable because the paperwork was not done in the right order. As many have said before the law is an ass period let's not not make it a greater ass by not acting on this. After all if one is going to praise a man and exonerate him for his stagecraft then what did we go to war with Adolf Hitler for? He was a master of stagecraft and mass seduction of the populace, although strangely his ladies appeared to be willing partners, not rape victims! Well the history books seem to conirm that and I wonder what they will say about this particular monster! I also wonder how many other victims there are and how much paying off there has been!
 

Cheree Million (128)
Friday October 2, 2009, 2:04 am
Noted & An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature. Thanks
 

LUCKY ARTLADY (45)
Friday October 2, 2009, 3:41 am
NOTED AND SIGNED!!

Thank you for signing the petition. An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature.
 

Joycey B. (693)
Friday October 2, 2009, 3:43 am
Thank you for signing the petition. An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature.
 

Maui Gal Woman (10)
Friday October 2, 2009, 5:13 am
JAIL THE SCUMBAG....AND ALL OF HOLLY WOOD ELITES WHO ARE BACKING HIM...I SIGNED
 

liz c. (203)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:24 am
Gladly signed. I hope he meets Bubba in prison.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:29 am
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to chris because you have done so within the last week.

Thank you everyone for making this a Front Page story.
If we keep up this momentum we are sure to get enough signatures to send a message to Hollywood and the Elite around the world that THEY are never above the law!

Remember to pass this on to as many people as you can think that will sign it!
Blessings to you all,
Lady L
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:00 am
don't know if you're referring to me, but I did NOT sign this petition and I did not AUTHORIZE anyone to sign my name to it. This is two things - Statutory Rape - an adolescent girl NOT a pubescent child and 2 - drugs and alcohol were involved and are there any witnesses that SAW him FORCE her to take either? I do not have enough information to know if this was a girl whose mother was pushing her to do ANYTHING to get a role in the movies. I'm sorry but show business goes in these directions. No one said it's right, but Polanski knew the game. The mother knew the game. Maybe the girl didn't get "the part" and she did this because she felt she compromised herself for nothing. How does anyone know? Were there any witnesses? He behaved like a coward and fled the US. But his wife and baby were murdered in the US and he is not an American. He was behaving like a European Film Director with an ambitious young woman thrown in his path.
I think he should be punished, even 30 years later,but there are terrible murders that need to be solved and missing children that need to be found. The court calendars are very crowded. The victim and Polanski should face each other with both lawyers present. There should be a heavy fine, some sort of restitution, and the victim should tell Polanski how what he did affected her life. But jail, a trial, 30 years later? Where are the witnesses? I am not against jail because of the tragedies in his life; I don't particularly care for him or his movies. But there are girls out there who want to be stars and would do just about anything. I would have to hear the testimony of WITNESSES. It is up to the prosecution to prove their case. Jail is not going to change anything. As soon as he's out and back in Europe, more 13 year old girls will be at his doorstep willing to do anything to get into the movies. I have no desire to sign this petition. The entire scene disgusts me. Polanski and his ilk disgust me. The stage mother should have known better.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:18 am
"Elizabeth I was just sending a general thank you to those who have signed it.

"But there are girls out there who want to be stars and would do just about anything. I would have to hear the testimony of WITNESSES. "
I am glad that you feel that he should be punished and justice served to the victim.And I appreciate you weighing.
To your comment and to others that feel the same as you that because this child was in showbiz that she wanted to be a star.The point is that she is still a child.Polanski and any other producer,director or whatever are adults.
They know better.They know 1)It is immoral and 2) that it is illegal.
They do it because they feel they can get away with it,because of "Who" they are in society.
Just Carole and several others have posted some links and even information on the actually testimony of the victim and other court documents to further educate people looking at this case.

And to be honest whether she is 13 or 50 this should not have happened to her or ANY child for that matter.
if she really had been so star struck or wanted fame so badly that she was willing to do "Anything" then he would not have had to drug her.
These people are predators.They take totally advantage of people (men,women,children) to do whatever they want.When did having sex with a possible employer become Legal?
I respect your opinion and the reasons why you chose not to sign.
I chose to sign and post because I personal feel that we need to protect ALL people from predators.
Children,women,men,heterosexuals and those in the LGBT community.
No one should have to go thru such things to ensure a job or for any reason.Period.
So again thank you for weighing and it is appreciated.
We all have our reasons for signing and not signing.
 

Kristi K. (1936)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:20 am
I hope that everyone remembers to SIGN THE PETIION in this story!
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:41 am
Elizabeth P. I would like to leave you with a thought as well; How many victims of a crime such as this have WITNESSES, period. Or, even more...witnessess willing to testify on behalf of the victim when they would have most probably been 'house guest's' of Polansky the perpetrator at the time?
 

Meg F. (124)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:41 am
signed! There is a reason Statuatory Rape is illegal ( even if concensual). Children are naive, vulnerable and can often be easily led, enticed, etc. Those 18 and over know this! It doesn't matter if concensual or not (talking in general, not to this case), it is still wrong and against the law. Statuatory Rape occured to someone very close to me and it has changed her entire life. She is withdrawn and cries much of the time and it has been well over a year. Rape is wrong no matter who you are. Sex (concensual or forced) with anyone under 18 ( if you are 18 or over) is wrong no matter who you are. The interpretation seems very simple to me.
 

Jennie C. (78)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:54 am
Petition signed and signature confirmed.
 

Jae M. (69)
Friday October 2, 2009, 8:14 am
I just don't understand what took so long. Rape is RAPE, it has many faces and many forms, and in some cases too much money! He's been free this whole time yet his victim will have this sorry excuse of raper on her mind forver. When will this all stop? When America finally says "NO MORE!" We as a unity must stop all these crimes by getting tougher laws and keeping these laws from playing favorites because you are someone "SPECIAL" in the limelite. I do not say this because I've read so much about it. I say this. because I KNOW how it is. I thank all you thus far, stepping up and letting your voices too heard. Man and Woman alike.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Friday October 2, 2009, 9:47 am
“If I had killed somebody, it wouldn’t have had so much appeal to the press, you see? But … f—ing, you see, and the young girls. Judges want to f— young girls. Juries want to f— young girls. Everyone wants to f— young girls!” - Roman Polanksi 1979

Over 100 and counting Hollywood stars including Cris Rock,Kristie Allie and Kevin Smith (Nooo not u Kevin,not U!).have signed a petition to Free Polanski.They are taking to their Twitters and other outlets to go to Bat for this scumbag!
Help stop them from using their influence to let a child predator continue his "high on the Hog" living while justice goes unserved.

Send a HUGE big ol Fat Thank You to Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger (I can't believe i am actually saying that) for refusing to Pardon Polanski......

The Governator gave his two cents on CNN’s The Situation Room yesterday:

It doesn’t matter if you are a big-time movie actor or a big-time movie director or producer. I think that he is a very respected person, and I am a big admirer of his work. But nevertheless, I think he should be treated like everyone else.

I will drop more names of Polanski supporters and those willing to uphold justice for Rape victims the World over by standing up for justice in this case.

 

Maria V. (57)
Friday October 2, 2009, 9:49 am
Signed! Thank YOU!
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:04 am
i would love to know, not only who supports him, but who is brave enough to go against the hollywood majority. so far i've only heard sherri shepherd and joy behar say he should be tried. also, bill maher twittered that you have to draw the line, which is pretty unexpected since he has a thing for young girls (over 18). and producer of scary movie and soul plane, bo zenga, has said to hollywood "read the transcript".
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:05 am
"Over 100 and counting Hollywood stars including Cris Rock,Kristie Allie and Kevin Smith (Nooo not u Kevin,not U!).have signed a petition to Free Polanski."
I AM SOOOFREAKING SORRY I put that Chris Rock,Kristie Allie and Kevin Smith were supporting Polanski!
I am WRONG!
They are against Polanski and the fact that so many in Hollywood are coming to Polanski's rescue.I apologize to these people and to others for not having that information correct.
They are speaking out against support of Polanski and like the Gov of California need BIG OL KUDOS for doing so!
 

Janel I. (1)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:12 am
I'm so disgusted that he was in France & free for 30 years while his victim is forever scarred! I know I shouldn't think this but I can't help wishing he's raped in jail.
 

Mandi T. (263)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:45 am
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
Glad he got to enjoy all that freedom the rotten so and so. Imagine all the years this girl suffered.
Tx Lady
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Friday October 2, 2009, 11:00 am
whew! i love kevin smith. i think it would help alot if dr. phil and oprah weighed in.
 

Sarah Vermeulen (50)
Friday October 2, 2009, 1:22 pm
Thank you very much Lady. I signed, noted and forwarded this Information.
Here a nice video about children of this world.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQclKfq5kdk
Hugs and loves -
Sarah V.
 

Jane R. (6)
Friday October 2, 2009, 1:46 pm
I'm really disgusted with the "stars" that think he should not go to jail just because they think he is a genuis.He ran away and now he's caught and needs to do his time for an unforgiveable crime !
 

NE L. (52)
Friday October 2, 2009, 1:48 pm
They really are showing their true colors aren't they?
 

Kari D. (168)
Friday October 2, 2009, 2:19 pm
Thank you for signing the petition. An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature.
 

Rosemary Mchugh (39)
Friday October 2, 2009, 2:34 pm
Both signed. The filthy little scumpouch should be strung up by his bollocks until they rot off.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday October 2, 2009, 3:01 pm
I would NOT sign a petition to free Polanski. But what you don't understand is that he doesn't believe what he did was wrong. The word "immoral" doesn't exist in the world of Roman Polanski. Look at his seedy movies. I shouldn't say this, but he cheated on his beautiful wife who was just about the nicest person you could ever meet. She'd say, "I pretend Roman is faithful to me and he pretends to believe me". A 13 year old girl is in some societies considered a "woman". "Teenagers" is an American invention. People in Europe and other countries are often married and having kids at 15 or so. The drugs and alcohol part - did anyone see him force her - how many 13 year olds take drugs and alcohol? Too many. I still say they should face each other with their lawyers present. I never said he wasn't a prick but by the standards of HIS world, he is what he is. What he has to do is come to terms with the affect on this now 43 year old woman. I wouldn't be surprised if he has done this dozens of times but in Europe where the girls just walked away. The man is a pervert, even if she wanted him desperately he is guilty of Statutory Rape,but remember she is NOT a pubescent child. This case hinges on whether or not she willingly took pills and alcohol. One drink is one drink too many for some people. One glass of wine and the next glass of wine and you're drunk and taking a pill without realizing what it is because you are drunk. How high was the alcohol level in her blood and what pills and how many did she take? Serumology tests should have determined that. I just think this 30 year old case is not a 30 year old unsolved MURDER cases or MISSING CHILD case. It should be disposed of without Hollywood bull and without Provincial bull. Imagine cheating on a beautiful wife like Sharon Tate, whom I heard had the personality of an angel. I think she deserved a lot better in life.
 

Irvn R. (48)
Friday October 2, 2009, 4:18 pm
correct me if I am wrong: has this man been convicted yet, or is he guilty until proven otherwise?
 

Carisma C. (16)
Friday October 2, 2009, 5:10 pm
Confirm Petition Signature - The New Agenda
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
 

Carrie Burton (139)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:27 pm
Signed and signature confirmed. Thank you Lady L.
 

Janet Solomon (251)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:33 pm
What is confusing me is why the girl/victim does NOT want him in jail. I realise that she was paid off--but even now, if I ever saw the man who raped me when I was 17, I'd smash him in the balls, then the head.

And NO amount of money could ever erase that sinister smile/leer he had on his face.
 

Lena Corkie Martino (166)
Friday October 2, 2009, 6:51 pm
Irvn - you are wrong. How can the little chicken shit be found guilty of the crimes that did while there is evidence including his own testimony that he committed the crime because HE RAN OUT OF COUNTRY! Don't you read? The entire crime is plasterd all over the internet! Perhaps you are a supporter of pedifillia that you continue to defend him... I hope not.
 

Barbara Finger (5)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:37 pm
Signed the petition and "noted" the article. Thanks for sending this on to me.
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Friday October 2, 2009, 7:43 pm
janet
some people just want things to go away. and probably, to be able to function, she had to come to some sort of understanding and forgiveness.

irvn
he pled guilty to unlawful sex with a minor, and if i'm not mistaken, that is statutory rape.
 

Rhonda Maness (450)
Friday October 2, 2009, 8:17 pm
Confirm Petition Signature - The New Agenda
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
Thanks Lady L
 

NE L. (52)
Friday October 2, 2009, 9:21 pm
http://scottthong.wordpress.com/2009/10/02/demotivational-posters-hollywood-lowlifes-approve-of-drugging-raping-sodomizing-13-year-old-girls/
 

Stuart L. (0)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:39 pm
Who is this petition going to? The law does not work this way. When he finally gets tried for fleeing this country, and statutory rape (of which he has already been found guilty), the decision of how much a sentence he will receive will not be based on mob rule or a referendum. Judges are compelled to give sentences within the framework of the law.
 

Barb B. (4)
Friday October 2, 2009, 10:52 pm
Irv - Pay attention: Polanski doesn't have to be convicted - he plead guilty to a lesser charge & then he ran. Since then, he's avoided countries that have strong extradition agreements with the US. He got sloppy in Switzerland. He's in contempt [& is contemptible]. Among other things, the man is a fugitive.
 

Lisa M. (3)
Friday October 2, 2009, 11:32 pm
I would sign athe petition but I have no intention of giving my name to The New Agenda or being thought to have any association with them. They are a hate group.
 

Arild Warud (48)
Friday October 2, 2009, 11:35 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 6:08 am
Lisa ~ "I would sign athe petition but I have no intention of giving my name to The New Agenda or being thought to have any association with them. They are a hate group."

WHAT!
The New Agenda is a non-Partisan feminist Organzation that invites women and men from all backgrounds and political leanings to join in their cause for Women's rights and strive to obtain more representation for women in higher offices.
I am not sure where you got your information on the group.I know there is suppose to several other groups with simliar names like The Agenda or something like that.But this group is simple NOT them and the furtherest thing away from a "Hate" group you could think of.
ILisa I would recommend for you to please go back to the link and look their site.I think you find that you are mistaken in that matter.

Stuart!
Good to see ya weighing sir:)
The petition is ,I feel,more of a way of us putting our foot down to Powerful influences that are determined to let this guy go free.
You are totally correct in the fact that this petition WILL NOT be the reason for whatever sentence that this man will incur.
But he was allowed to plead down to unlawful sex with a minor due to his status as a celebrity and then he fleed to live the high life outside of this country.
This is also a way to counteract the Celebrity & Elite driven petition that is demanding his release based on lies to the public.Something that,as a child advocate,I believe to be so freaking immoral I could spit nails.
They should NOT be using their influence or power to continue to deny ALL rape victims justice by excusing this man and continue the same ol,same ol "Well she\he wanted" routine that victims of sex crimes often face.
I personally believe that the ubber powerful Hollywood and Elite of the World need to learn their place again.And that place is right along side us in the matter of justice.
The petition is to get this guy back here to at least face the sentencing that he ran from for over 30 years.
That would be justice.
No matter what the charge was.
 

chris b. (1180)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 6:32 am
I can only assume those that condone rape by seeking to oppose due process of law in this case would want to indulge in the same kind of activity, or do, or are rapists themselves! Certainly it could be argued that anyone seeking to impede the return of this individual is virtually guilty of harbouring a fugitve from the law and therefore a petition to keep him free is tantamount to an incitement to break the law! By extrapolation those of his cronies that may have originated such a petition may well be breaking the law by doing so!
 

Fred W. (15)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 8:15 am
Your signature has now been added to the petition. Thank you.
He should serve time for rape, time for child pornography, time for corruption of minors, time for deviant sexual acts, time for fleeing the country, time for drug possession. His blatant disregard for the law and for common morality is abhorrent. He should not be exonerated just because he was able to hide out for 30 years. Time may help heal the wounds, but it doesn't bring justice to the people. Some try to argue that he is not guilty until he is proven innocent, but he has admitted guilt. Some say she wanted it for what ever reason, she clearly told him she did not want sex and he has not claimed otherwise. Bottom line is that HE knowingly broke the law, a law that should not even need to be on the books because it should be common sense. This is the type of crime that would have been taken care of by an angry mob a hundred years ago, and I'm glad we don't have that anymore. If I had been the girls father I would have followed him to France, I hear they don't have the death penalty there;) I think it is only a matter of time until we find out about many more such offenses to other "young women", young women my A**, Anyone who has kids knows that thirteen year old girls are not young women, they are Children. Where the hell was her mom at, did she know that this guy was going to be alone with her daughter taking NUDE pictures? Was this guy well known to her? Bottom line again(sorry), Even if the girl and her mother were pushing for him to have his way with her and even if she took the drugs and alcohol willingly (neither of which I believe), he was still the adult and a professional and should have resisted, it's not like he couldn't get what he wanted from a consenting adult anytime he wanted. He did it because he could(quote from President Clinton not intended) and it doesn't matter if HE doesn't think it was wrong. If it's OK in Europe then he should keep that kind of destructive behavior there along with the concepts of world domination, genocide, and master races. I'll stay here as long as we still honor individual rights and equal justice where your station in life doesn't determine your innocence
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 8:36 am
Elizabeth P.
Let's say, for the sake of argument that; there were no drugs or alcohol involved; that Mr. Polanski simply raped this young girl because he totally lacks any moral character and is a pedophile. Does this negate the fact that it is still against the law and we are to disregard that "the word 'immoral'doesn't exist in the world of Roman Polanski." Because, in my opinion, it does exist for the vast majority of the rest of world as well as THESE United States and OUR legal justice system as well as THE VICTIMS of these henous crimes. This is exactly why they are called 'sexual crimes'. The fact that she was not a "pubescent child" is mute. If you know anything about the developing brain, the part that is responsible for good judgement and reasoning does not fully develop until approximately age 24. Therefore, this CHILD couldn't have possibly even made a good, informed, MATURE decision to be consenting to all that Polanski did....HE made those decisions FOR her! Therefore...this case DOES NOT hinge on "whether or not she willingly took pills and alcohol," especially not in our legal system and certainly not within moral and ethical grounds!
 

Ge ARACELI (80)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 9:48 am


EVERY RAPIST: LIFE NO PAROLE : NO STATUTE OF LIMITATIONS
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 12:29 pm
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-polanski3-2009oct03,0,6765170.story?track=rss PLEASE READ THIS LINK. I THINK YOU WILL FIND THE VICTIM AND POLANSKI HAVE COME TO TERMS WITH THE INCIDENT AND HE IS COMPENSATING HER WITH MONEY. SHE IS A LOT STRONGER WOMAN THAN YOU GIVE HER CREDIT FOR. SHE DOES NOT WANT HIM INCARCERATED. PLEASE READ.
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 12:42 pm
Elizabeth P.

You are simply missing the entire point and I am not one to waste my breath. Sometimes, in life, there are those that have to 'be used to make a statement' and, in this case, not only did Polanski do the crime but, he has placed himself in the perfect position to be the one to be used to make that statement. There can be nooone to blame but himself for his actions AND inactions...meaning his running away and being a fugitive. It is no longer a decision of the victim here but a decision of the legal system itself.
 

Ge ARACELI (80)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 12:56 pm
"Roman Polanski agreed to pay the victim in his child-sex case at least $500,000 as part of a civil settlement, but then failed to live up to the terms of the agreement, according to court filings reviewed Friday."
___LOOK Elizabeth P.___--->RAPE IS NOT SOMETHING TO NEGOTIATE!
_________--->ALBEIT
POLANSKI AND ALL HIS KIND
EVERY RAPIST OUT THERE
IN THE SENTENCING SHOULD HAVE TO PAY $$$ DAMAGES TO ALL VICTIM(s) INVOLVED!
NO EXCEPTION!

AND SO SHOULD THE COURTS! AND ALSO PROVIDE THE VICTIMS WITH HEALING! 100%
100% HEALING RESOURCES FOR LIFE!
L I F E!!!

AND
LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE TO EVER RAPIST! TO ALL OF 'em!!!

THE USA, OR WHERE-EVER THE CRIME TOOK PLACE
OWES
EVERY VICTIM OF RAPE!
THE GOVERNMENT IS NOT DOING THEIR JOB!
OTHERWISE THERE COULD NOT EXIST THE HEINOUS CRIME!

PROTECT THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE!
MAKE THE CRIME OF RAPE WHICH IS SOLEY TERRORISM AND HEINOUS ALWAYS!
MAKE THEM PAY WITH NO PAROLE! WITH $$$ DAMAGES!
AND THE GOVERNMENTS PAY ALSO! BE RESPONSBIBLE TO THE VICTIMS LIVES!
HEALING.
100% H E A L I N G!
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 1:12 pm
victims often do what's in their best interest, but not what's in the best interest of current and future victims. that's why the victims aren't in charge of prosecutions.
 

Pam Burton (7)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 1:15 pm
I wonder about the AGENDA of ANY PERSON-male or female- who considers it a "witch hunt" when folks want a "pedophile rapist" to be jailed for a crime PROVEN to have been COMMITTED.PETITION SIGNED!!!!!
 

Terry G. (11)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 2:12 pm
I just wonder how many more women have been raped by him in the years he's been in Europe. This SOB is not to be considered human. He's was and still is an animal. I consider rape, regardless of whom and when the act was done, to be as bad or even worse than murder. At least if you're dead you don't have the constant (and it is constant) fear of if and when it will happen again. The anxiety of having it happen again takes years to leave, if ever. The arrogance of men who think the way he does, is absolutely appaling. He should be (and this isn't done any more, TARRED AND FEATHERED) You can't imagine the lasting pain that he would realize. And I doubt he'd ever forget it. Not to mention he'd be scarred for life.
Tsk tsk, I must think of a more humane punishment for this AH! Aw well. I feel sure he will get his.
One more thing. Apparently he thinks money will buy him anything. Apparently it did.
 

Shirley H. (33)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 3:18 pm
Let it go Folks on C2 News - this case is 35 years old, and according to the so called "rape victim", it was consensual. There are so many more important issues in the world. Glam on to one of those.
Shirley H.
 

Just Carole (421)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 5:07 pm

YOU let it go, Shirley!

What issues have you crusaded lately? (and, of them, what were more important than the degenerate, self-satisfying urges of an over-inflated ego, versus the sanctity of childhood violated by RAPE?)

Shame on you!
 

Stuart L. (0)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 5:07 pm
According to the victim, Shirley H., it was NOT consensual. Being that it happened so long ago, I guess I had never remembered that until this case surfaced again. I cannot believe that a grown man would force himself on a thirteen year old. But why the petition? To whom? If the U.S. is successful in having him extradited, he will stand trial here in Los Angeles. I am against petitions because I do not want judges and prosecutors to be influenced by radicals and rabble, and the phenomenon of mob rule, on other future cases. On this one, I believe he should be punished for the crime, as well as punished for skipping the country.
 

Stuart L. (0)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 5:11 pm
So, the case is 35 years old. So what! It happened; he was never punished for it. What message does that send to other prospective people who push themselves sexually on another? What should we do about it? Just forget about it? No one has a right to another's body, unless permission is given.
 

Just Carole (421)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 5:32 pm

Having raised a child of my own (and several others of different parents), I will say this . . . Childhood (and innocence) is a very short period of every life, but one that should be revered and protected by the adults who surround children as their guardians.

I have NO regard for adults who use and abuse children for their own temporary self-indulgences.
 

Rosemary Mchugh (39)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 6:45 pm
I'll tell you who ought to be TARRED AND FEATHERED. Anyone who uses the term "he's an animal" when referring to subhuman scum like Polanski, Vick, Otter or Palin.
 

Lena Corkie Martino (166)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 6:52 pm
To Elizabeth above who wrote this nonsense on Saturday October 3, 2009, 12:29 pm -
What don't you get about the crime that Polanski committed and was never prosecuted for? Maybe you don't get out much but regardless the fact that Polanski admitted what he and has offered a monetary sum as partial damages to his victim, he never was tried and incarcerated by the state as he should have been IN ADDITION TO THE MONETARY DAMAGES!!!! The reason that this is important is to send a message to would be criminals like him that they cannot do this to people!!!! Civilized society does not reward child rape under any circumstances. In the meantime, if you have a young daughter, go check and her and make sure she is safe under your watch...
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 10:35 pm
Guess what Shirley H.,

Christ died HOW many years ago, yet, he is still discussed today? And not that I like to mention the two in the same breath....what about Hitler? Would you like to tell an entire race of people to 'let that go' too? Oh, gee, maybe we shouldn't discuss the people like Moussollini (sp) or Napoleon or heck, even Charles Manson...I mean, really, what good would THAT do? It's called LEARNING FROM HISTORY and NOT allowing the same atrocoties to be made OVER and OVER again!

Besides, who are you to tell anyone to let anything go? That is exactly what this forum is about. People who are passionate and advocates for causes. If YOU don't like the cause, click on another topic.
 

Dalia H. (574)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 10:41 pm
Thank you for signing the petition. An e-mail has been sent to you so that you may confirm your signature.
Noted and Signed with a lot of thanks Dearest Lady L.
Love,
Black Dalia:)
 

Lisa M. (3)
Saturday October 3, 2009, 11:01 pm
Lady Lib, I am fully aware of who The New Agenda are and, more importantly, their history. I am not AT ALL mistaken about which organization you are referring to. In my (and many of others) opinion they ARE a hate group.
 

Chaz Gaily Berlusconi (251)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 4:42 am
Thannnxxx this is an awful crime which leaves terrible scars on the victim... these last a life time and it is about time some of these judges jumped into the world of a victim and lived the horror of this
 

chris b. (1180)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 6:06 am
Chaz you are so right. The feeling of invasion following a burglary is bad enough and if the feeling is too much one can move house but when a body has been invaded by some unwanted intruder the replacement of the body is not possible and the invaded unclean feeling is there for life! No matter how much gold is dispensed! Sadly the judiciary are very behind in responding to this in their sentancing. Often other crimes that may have accomapanied the assualt being given greater priority such as physical damage, injury, robbery, racial abuse etc, the rape being almost tacked on as an afterthought. Perhaps it is something to do with the law being couched in Victorian moral values that judges are reluctant to confront sexual crime. As it is not polite to even discuss it! It is a strange parodox that after listening to all the graphic and harrowing testimony that accompanies such cases they appear not to have always understood the gravity of the offence and permanent effect on the victim! Victim is of course not a word that I would choose personally as it has connotations of submission and acceptance and even consent to what happened to them. Someone needs to invent a far more acceptable word as I think it also stigmatizes the person and isolates them from the rest of society. Emotionally they in a wheelchair, black or stricken with some socially unacceptable desease! Sympathetic and empathetic handling of such cases by the police, judiciary and others involved would further help the "victim's " recovery! This "man" should face the music as if he does not it is messaging to the rest of his ilk that if you get away with it for long enough this behaviour is ok! This will do nothing to deter others who may wish to repeat such depravity and many more vulnerable people could be abused as a result of his not facing the music! I would also repeat that all those lining up to oppose this action either support rape or are rapists themselves! Comments such as it happened along time ago are entirely irrelevant as for example the effects of Nazi crimes are still being felt, but one would hardly shake Hitler by the hand and say don't worry old chap it was a long time ago, should he materialise on your doorstep!
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 9:49 am
Lisa how are they a hate group?
And what history do they really have considering that they have only been around for a year.
I still say you got it wrong about which organization this is.
I have been involved with them on and off for about the past 4 months.
The are an ALL inclusive Feminist organization dedicated to bridging the gaps in the Feminist movement and pushing for more representation of women in High offices.
Again you have your facts wrong!
Again I suggest doing your research.
Amy Siskind is one of the co-founders,she has had blogs featured on the Huffington Post.
I really doubt the HuffPo allows people from "Hate Groups" to get anywhere near their site let alone write for them.
So this will be my last time address the issue.
It is taking away from the productiviness of this thread.
Which I am extremely proud of eveyone that has weighed in.
There are many here that I have disagreements with in the past.
Not just little spats either,like out right throw downs with.
And to come together...finally on an issue with everyone is just freaking awesome.
That gives me HOPE!
Hope for actually gearing everyone's energies to be more productive to fight for causes that we all hold dear and know that need to be fought for.
Thanks everyone.Even the ones I disagree with.
And GREEN STARS to everybody.
Have a great weekend:)
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 10:14 am
i have a feeling this has something to do with reproductive rights.
 

Ms.R. S. (186)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 12:47 pm
Laws must be changed so the victim no longer needs to be involved. It's an injustice to drag her back
into the situation, reason why she no longer wants him prosecuted. If there was a $ settlement is besides the point. Wrong is wrong and $ is of no redeeming value. Do we want grown up men raping any child they can get their claws on, then silence them w/ $ ? Then we, as a society, would be the equivalent of some religious groups.
 

Ge ARACELI (80)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 2:02 pm
YES... A NEW ERA of NO TOLERANCE OF RAPE! NONE!
AND YES INDEED A NEW ERA OF 100% = WOMEN! 100%!!!
THE PROTECTION OF THE VICTIMS LIVES of RAPE!!!
and THE PREVENTION OF FUTURE VICTIMS OF RAPE!!!
NO TOLERANCE OF RAPE NOR OF RAPISTS:
meaning...

the ONLY SENTENCING FOR RAPISTS: LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE!
ONE MESSAGE: DO NOT TRED ON ANY LIFE!
 

Lisa M. (3)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 2:20 pm
Lady Lib,
I suggest you take you own advice.

http://www.culturekitchen.com/liza/blog/the_new_agendas_agenda_puma_now_and_kim_gandy

http://bettycracker.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-is-new-agenda-smearing-nows-kim.html

http://thebigotbasher.wordpress.com/2009/06/02/puma-lite-the-new-agenda-silent-on-the-assasination-of-dr-tiller/

http://thebigotbasher.wordpress.com/tag/amy-siskind/

http://www.slate.com/discuss/forums/thread/2206211.aspx?x=0&y=0&search_loc=on&qt=&id=3944&q=&ask_submit_button.x=15&ask_submit_button.y=5&ask_submit_button=submit&qsrc=2300&o=1102&l=dir
 

Ann D. (0)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 2:40 pm
Petition signed. God only knows how many more minors have been raped by him over the years.
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Sunday October 4, 2009, 3:17 pm
thank you lisa. let's hope the petition will be regarded as anti-polanski and not pro new agenda. new agenda states they want a society where gender does not define individual value. if that's true, then how can one support hillary and palin? gender is all they have in common.
 

Lady Libertarian (76)
Monday October 5, 2009, 5:50 am
To Lisa and Catherine,
Respectfully, I was going to respond to the posts on The New Agenda.It is pointless.You have your opinions and I have mine.But this is not about The New Agenda.This is about people coming together to take a stand on something we all believe is wrong.
I have been a member for the group for about 4-5 months and I don't always agree with everything little thing they have to say or do.But I believe in what they are trying to do,and I will leave it that.
Thank you posting here,but it would be great if we could just get back to the issue at hand.
Taking a stand against Elitist who believe themselves to be above the law.And in a way that they are even allowed to get away with harming children.
So this will be the last time that I address the issue of The New Agenda on this thread.If either one of you want to throw something out there dedicated to your opinions on them I will happy to weigh in that thread and give my reasons for supporting them.
Have a great day:)
 

chris b. (1180)
Monday October 5, 2009, 7:48 am
To all those that have gone way off topic and remember we are talking about an adult male in a position of trust, raping a young girl and the potential of his getting away with this behaviour encouraging others to do the same evil stuff. So please if you want to discuss other issues take it some place else unless relevant!
 

Catherine Turley (46)
Monday October 5, 2009, 9:11 am
i can never understand why people think they can tell others what to say or not say. i've noted and commented on every polanski news submission. it's obvious where i stand. but, it's not unreasonable to question the source of the petition. information is always a good thing.
 

Opheeliya Fire-Kracker (22)
Monday October 5, 2009, 1:31 pm
thanx lady.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 8, 2009, 7:25 am
EXCUSE ME, ELIZABETH, BUT PEOPLE IN EUROPE ARE NOT!!!!!!! MARRIED AT "15 OR SO"!!!!!
You have got to be kidding me!!!!! Europeans nowadays are on average even married at an older age than Americans. And they often times look down on Americans for having babies very young and getting married straight out of high school.
This case is NOT about two 13 year old lost souls who experimented with drugs and sex and it is NOT about two 40 year olds who were drunk and one might have given in to something he/she wouldn't have it sober.
This is about a 43 year old man who drugged and raped and sodomized a child!!!!!!!!
You have got to be kidding me! Where the h...do you get the impression that Europeans tolerate this! There are just as many Europeans who tolerate and don't tolerate this as there are obviously here in the U.S. (looking towards Hollywood).
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 8, 2009, 7:54 am
Elizabeth, according to a list of average age of (first) marriage for different countries around the world the USA average age is 27.7 for men, 25.6 for women, for Germany (where I am from) 32.6 for men, 29.6 for women, the youngest European country listed is Moldovia and the Ukraine with equal numbers of 25 for men, 22 for women, and the youngest age worldwide listed is Niger with 23.9 for men, 17.6 for women.
There is not one country listed worldwide where the average age is 15 OR SO!! And I have yet to learn of a country where it is LEGAL to drug and rape sodomize a 13 year old child. I agree, there are societies where girls that age are secretly married to older men , but not legally!!
AND MOST CERTAINLY NOT IN EUROPE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Lukntwohvn R. (18)
Thursday October 8, 2009, 3:05 pm
Ulli V.,

Thank you for looking up and posting those statistics. Some peoples' worlds are just very, very small or they cannot see beyond thier own front door. Wake up Dorothy (Elizabeth), you're not in Kansas anymore ;)
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 8, 2009, 6:37 pm
Lukntwohvn, I'm just a freak for numbers and I am just at the loss of words for any attitude, be it here in the comment section or by some Hollywood folks, who all talk as if they've never seen a 13 year old girl before. Who all seemed to have popped up in this world from out of nowhere at the age of 35 or so, no childhood, no puberty, no adolesence. No telling the difference between a child , physically and mentally, a maybe mature looking and acting 18 year old, and a middle aged woman.
 
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