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Finally consider the case of Mad Horse Disease. For years no virus could be found. Then armed with new techniques Ian Lipkin at the University of California at Irvine isolated Bornavirus, the causative agent. It has also recently been implicated in human

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Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 6:30 pm

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If you eat raw or undercooked meats, particularly bear, pork, wild feline (such as a cougar), fox, dog, wolf, horse, seal, or walrus, you are at risk for trichinellosis.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 7:01 pm

Study Reveals Role of Lymph Nodes in Prion Disease
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25 Sep 2007

It's the meat stuipid


Joycey B (750)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 7:33 pm
There are more and more terrible things coming out about eating meat. Thanks for this information Kathy.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 7:38 pm

Today I was trying to look up the evidence of horses having prion
disease and funny to find that some Germans switched from cow meat to
horse meat when England had the Queniborough in Leicester CJD cluster
where 5 young people died.

I chanced to run across this website and one of the few sites I read
from beginning to end for it was well written. And I am going to quote
parts of it and make comments.

--- quoting a website ---

Prions: proteins that act as if they were

By Elizabeth Finkel as broadcast on ABC's Ockham's
Razor on the 8/9/96

--- end quoting ---

I hope I have not been misspelling Ockhams Razor for all of these years
in connection with the story of Jesus and many of my theories of
science. I probably have been misspelling it as Ockams Razor. Looking in
the dictionary it can be spelled Occams Razor. Maybe I should henceforth
spell it as Occams Razor.

--- quoting from Finkel's website ---
Still I think I place my bets on the prion model. It's yet to be
conclusively proven. That proof will require somebody to take pure
brain protein with its plump globular structure and find a way to
massage it into the plate form. Then they have to show that the plates
act like prions. Recently a group at the Rocky Mountain Laboratories in
Colorado, have been able to carry out the first step, converting pure
brain protein to the plate-form in a test tube. We'll have to wait and
see if they can demonstrate these altered proteins are infectious.
--- end quoting ---

I am going to presume that the Colorado research failed to prove the
Prusiner Model because it is now year 2004 and if the Colorado team had
been successful it would have instantly made the news headlines.

Another paragraph that caught my attention in connection to my
insistence of researching virus debris particles.

--- quoting from Finkel's website ---

Retroviruses especially can be extremely elusive. They can hang around
as mere shreds of RNA, but these little shreds while appearing
lifeless to the biochemist can stealthily repair themselves at some
opportunity and go on to multiply. And certainly shreds of DNA or RNA
have been found associated with prions. Finally consider the case of Mad
Horse Disease. For years no virus could be found. Then armed
with new techniques Ian Lipkin at the University of California at Irvine
isolated Bornavirus, the causative agent. It has also recently been
implicated in human psychiatric disease.

--- end quoting ---

So if that article was written in 1996, I wonder if there is recent
updated news about any viral particle in connection with prion diseases.

And another paragraph concerning sheep in Iceland.

--- quoting from Finkel's website ---

I said that there is no way that the prion spreads naturally, hence once
the Fore stopped cannibalizing their diseased relatives, Kuru
disappeared and likewise for cows eating diseased sheep protein. But,
there is an exception. The disease does appear to spread in sheep and
no-one knows why. There is the mystery of Icelandic sheep. Affected
herds were destroyed and after several years a disease-free stock was
re-introduced. These herds subsequently came down with Scrapie. Perhaps,
prions remained deep-frozen in the soil?
--- end quoting ---

What I think here is that prion disease is a genetic disease and to
become transmissible needs the help of some viral particle which alters
the genetics of a normal sheep. So that what is transmitted in Kuru and
sheep scrapie is a viral particle that easily transports into the brain
and then alters the pre-existing manufacturing site of prion molecules.

I believe the rapidness of the disease progression in the 5 young people
of Queniborough is by Occams Razor the most easily explained as that
these 5 young people ate some food that had a extremely high dosage of
the viral particles that could not only turn on a few manufacturing
sites of normal prions but a huge number of sites so that their
priononic brain progression was so very much accelerated. The Prusiner
Model cannot explain such rapid progression of the 5 young people of
Queniborough. What can explain that acceleration is a overload of viral

Archimedes Plutonium
whole entire Universe is just one big atom where dots
of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies


Kathy Chadwell (354)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 7:59 pm
Borna Virus Linked to Mental Illness

What if mental illness is catching?

Although it sounds far-fetched and remains controversial, this theory got another boost from a study published in a recent issue of the journal Molecular Psychiatry. Using a new diagnostic tool to screen blood for a pathogen known as the Borna virus, a team of German researchers from major academic institutions found that it infects up to 30 percent of healthy people and up to 100 percent of people with severe mood disorders.

Borna disease is common in horses, where it can cause encephalitis. It's also been known to strike birds, cows, sheep, cats and dogs, producing behavior changes that are eerily similar to depression and other neuropsychiatric disorders in humans. Named after a town in Saxony (now Germany), where an outbreak of encephalitis in horses crippled the Prussian army in the late 1800s, Borna disease has been recognized in recent years as an emerging illness among humans.

In 1996, scientists at Scripps Research Institute in California found the first evidence that the Borna disease virus can infect human brain tissue. All of those infected had a history of mental disorders involving memory loss and depression.

There are widely varying infection rates among animals and people in Europe, North America and parts of Asia. The link between neuropsychiatric disorders and infection in humans varies as well. Researchers in South Korea, for example, found no link between Borna disease infection and mental illness, while investigators in Taiwan found a high rate of infection in people with schizophrenia -- and among their family members and among mental health workers.

"The fact that you find evidence of an infection in one population or another does not allow you to conclude that there is a causal relationship," said W. Ian Lipkin, professor of neurology at the University of California, Irvine, and head of a lab that unraveled the Borna disease virus genome. In other words, Lipkin said, scientists still can't tell which comes first: the infection or the mental disorder. (Various mental illnesses can suppress the immune system and make individuals more vulnerable to certain microbes.)

And they also don't know how close the association is. It's possible, for example, to have Borna disease without depression and depression without Borna disease.

How Borna disease is transmitted is also a mystery, although there's evidence in animals that it may spread via nasal passages, Lipkin notes in an article in the July issue of Trends in Microbiology. The article, written by Lipkin and two of his Irvine colleagues, notes that the link between the Borna virus and human disease remains controversial, but warrants continued investigation.

Even so, no one suggests that Borna disease may be the only cause of depression and other mental disorders. Although researchers have discovered a link between certain types of infection and heart disease, they have not concluded that one causes the other.

Past Member (0)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 8:04 pm
Thanks for the information.

. (0)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 8:32 pm
noted thank you

Blacktiger P (247)
Tuesday November 4, 2008, 11:28 pm
Thanks for the info, now we all must get the word out into France, Belgium, and Japan and all other places that consume horse meat as well. God has said "Ask and ye shall recieve" and I have prayed for a reason to stop them eating horses.

Kathy W (299)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 12:11 am
Thank you for this information Kathy.

Marty H (119)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 12:22 am
Thanks Kathy and noted! I found it to be a very interesting article. I knew about prions but not how they worked exactly.

Carina Eriksson (61)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 1:16 am
Wow! This was VERY interesting reading! Thanks för doing such extensive research and enlightening me/us. I appreciate you sharing this info with us. Who knew? Thanks, Kathy. Noted

Sheila G (267)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 3:14 am
this is scary stuff, never happier to be Vegan, better health was an unexpected bonus when I made this change!
ty Kathy

FreeSpirit Running (320)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 4:22 am
TY Kathy my friend, noted.

Why oh why would people choose to eat such things as horse meat anyway? I mean we started with buffalo, wild boar, and such way back when...however don't we have such a selection of different foods that are naturally good for us, and doesn't include meat?
I love horses with a passion, I really just couldn't eat one myself, but to each his own, I wouldn't want to take a chance of getting a disease either.
I love my garden, my lemon & orange trees, I try to grow the foods that we eat, it's so much better to you have grown it yourself, so you know where it came from, it's wonderfully delicious too!

Just my opinion folks.
Walk in peace, stay healthy,

Past Member (0)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 4:59 am

Suzanna van der Voort (271)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 5:43 am
Noted with thanks, Kathy.

. (0)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 10:01 am
Sure glad I don't eat meat, but to each there own for I can not judge no one and won't. Great info Kathy as always.

Tim R (581)
Wednesday November 5, 2008, 7:13 pm
The idea of Mad Horse Disease had never occurred
to me, but it makes perfect sense. It also somewhat
backs up an idea I've had for years:
That which we call "Alzheimer's Disease" is actually
CJD, the human equivilant of Mad Cow & Mad Horse.
It makes sense to me, and of course I could be wrong,
but it sure makes sense.
Thanks, Kathy.

Brenda H (29)
Wednesday November 12, 2008, 8:43 pm

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Wednesday September 26, 2012, 11:22 pm

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Wednesday September 26, 2012, 11:38 pm

It Kills Horses, Doesn't It?

Borna virus used to be an obscure veterinary problem in Saxony. But it's obscure no more. A couple of German virologists believe the bug may be sending people, in large numbers, to the psychiatric ward.

Kathy Chadwell (354)
Saturday February 2, 2013, 8:44 pm

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Friday November 29, 2013, 6:47 pm
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