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Requiem for the Gulf


Environment  (tags: BP, government_inaction, ecostructure, earth! )

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Please watch this, on YouTube . . . FULL SCREEN/FULL VOLUME!



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Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:14 am
 
(The following is from Credo  --  Psssssssssst . . . pass it on!)
 
Tell EPA: Take away BP's billions in federal contracts
 
BP continues to stonewall the American people about the growing Deep Horizon disaster in the Gulf, even while the company is reaping millions of dollars in profits a day from its other federal leases.
 
The White House, the Department of Interior, and Congress are all crying foul, but they are not taking action to hold BP accountable. If the Obama administration is serious about making BP pay, there is a very simple and powerful tool at its disposal: the EPA can take away BP's billions in federal contracts.
 
The Environmental Protection Agency has the authority to bar BP from receiving U.S. government contracts. Suspension of BP contracts would mean the loss of billions of dollars and effectively stop the company from drilling in federally controlled oil fields both on and offshore.
 
Discretionary debarment is among the most serious actions EPA can take. EPA's own regulations allow the agency to ban BP from future contracts after considering "the frequency and pattern of the incidents, corporate attitude both before and after the incidents, changes in policies, procedures, and practices."
 
Prior to the current Gulf spill, EPA had linked BP to at least four instances of criminal misconduct, and BP has paid tens of millions in fines for environmental crimes. According to the public interest investigative journalists at Pro Publica, the EPA is considering re-evaluating BP and determining whether the company's actions leading up to and following the Deep Horizon spill are evidence of an institutional problem inside BP that would qualify for debarment action.
 
If BP is hit with discretionary debarment, the company would lose valuable contracts for selling fuel to the military and would be prohibited from obtaining or renewing drilling leases on federal land. EPA could also cancel BP's current federal leases. The impact on BP's bottom line could be in the billions of dollars.
 
Neither Congress, nor President Obama, nor Interior Secretary Salazar have taken steps to truly hold BP accountable. It's up to EPA to use the regulatory tools at its disposal to make BP pay.
 
The American people are outraged by the politicians' inaction in the face of an exponentially growing economic and environmental disaster in the Gulf. It's time for EPA to take immediate and decisive action.
 
 

Mack David (100)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:18 am
I watched............
I want to cry so badly!!!!!
The rape and destruction of Earth captured.
The animals are innocent.
Why do people have to drive a car that needs oil????

N@T
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:35 am
noted~ Thanks for sharing.
 

gone g. (133)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:42 am
I have noted this and signed many petitions to stop this horror. I am unable to watch the video however. It would shatter what little bit is left of my heart and soul. Ty for posting!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:44 am

I understand, Cynthia . . . But, I WANT THIS TO STOP!
 

Barbara K. (84)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:49 am
The sad thing is that only the oil industry will be able to figure out how to stop this gusher. Government officials, police, CIA, EPA, etc. are not knowledgeable or trained in this kind of disaster. We must, although disdainfully, allow them to fix it. It is trial and error, as this magnitude of disaster is a new one for us to deal with. Without BP and the rest of the morons, who else can fix it, or at least try? Which one non-oil person wants to be the first one down there to try to fix something they know nothing about doing? We can do our grumbling after it is fixed. Meantime, any able-bodied person can go down and help to clean up the wildlife.
 

Little A. (33)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:52 am
Feels like watching Armageddon,
we all deserve all we get if we do not only punish BP and similar co. but also if we don't clean it up.

Why hasn't this area yet evacuated for wildlife, they put nets and fences everywhere, at least the ones that fly and swim, some of them could have been saved.
Throw up a barrier of sand and cement or whatever to protect the inlands and marshes.
Save what can be saved.
(no offence to those working their buns off)

If BP is only looking at a leak it's time emergency laws take over,
because they obviously know nothing about plumbing, cleaning up or damage control.

@BP: ((&^^%%@@!!!)&????
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:55 am
Right on, Dear Carole!
I can think of only one way to prevent oil rig disasters in the future:
NO MORE OFFSHORE DRILLING!
Avaaz petition, please sign...
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_offshore_drilling/
474,667 have signed the petition! Let's get to our delivery target of 500,000

 

Little A. (33)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:58 am
@ Barbara: The spill is at 5000m depth, it's not that any non-greasy person doesn't want to go, it's just plain impossible for a non-ROV to go at that depth.

And they're planning to drill deeper without any, obviously, proven knowledge to deal with it in Canada and elsewhere. That's why I oppose against offshore drilling : don't start if you can't clean it up.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:00 pm

My special thanks to my dear friend and housemate, Barbara D. -- who sent this to me, probably not even realizing that it would trigger such a torrent of emotion and resolve in me!

(Thanks, dear Barbara.)
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:06 pm

We only have ONE earth, and WE are the stewards.

Government/politics/decorum mean NOTHING if it includes destroying our habitat.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:08 pm
Thanks Barbara...and Carole for posting this. I'm unable to view (PC issues) but understand the tragedy unfolding. I have signed the petition and will share with others.

Jimmy Carter Tried To Stop Bush's Energy Disasters - 28 Years Ago
http://bit.ly/dCE7Rk

PETITION: The War is Making You Poor
http://bit.ly/d3hhrc
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:10 pm

(Not to get all weepy -- cuz, as most of you know, I'll rise my my fist held high -- but this video shook me back to REALITY, while also dissolving me to tears.)

STAND UP, FOLKS!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:19 pm

Last comment should have said " . . . WITH my fist held high."

(OOPS)
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:22 pm
~Unite For The Oceans~ The Time is Now!
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=19985&pst=1424483&saved=1

One of the things that you mentioned was that there doesn't seem to be any articles or stories in reference to "The Gulf Oil Spill" and you suggessted that I might want to post this story to that site....and so I did!
 

Sharon Balloch (132)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:22 pm
Well Carole you are not alone.. it is so hard to see such suffering and think that even when this is over it could happen again. Nova Scotia where I live is almost all coast line.. I can not imagine what a disaster it would be here and yet I am already thinking of saving hair for that disaster. God Help us if we do not learn from the horrible price this has cost us here on planet earth.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:24 pm

If I EVAH saw a video that deserved to GO VIRAL . . .

THIS IS IT!

Please visit YouTube, note it and rate it/favorite it . . . AND TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:32 pm

I am not a religious person, but I am an extremely spiritual one.

If we, as humans, have appointed ourselves as "superiors" in the chain . . . we have a responsibility to be STEWARDS to this earth we claim.

DO SOMETHING!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:43 pm

This catastrophe is a . . . CALL TO ARMS!

PROTECT YOUR EARTH -- IT'S ALL YOU REALLY HAVE.

Animal activists . . . environmental activists . . . human rights activists . . . and anyone who wants this earth to survive.

RISE UP!
 

Maurene T. (122)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:50 pm
This is f**king insaniity with BP and the government passing the buck. Now the govt; has limmited BP's liability.
I am so sad and disappointed in the lack of accountability.
Credo is awesome.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:52 pm

I have resolve to do no further business with BP due to this travesty and their "handling" of it. When I Exxon Valdez oil spill occurred, I stoped doing business with them, too, and never resumed. I will not forgive or forget about what either of these companies did.

IT IS NOT THE RIGHT OF HUMANS TO CAUSE THESE CATASTROPHIES

People of enlightenment and conscience MUST stop using their products and socially and economically punish these kinds of man-made disasters until it is clear to ALL humans that we must stop abusing the planet and forcing other species to suffer because of our own desires for self-enrichment.

Years ago I came to the conclusion that most humans are motivated by the desire to control and by greed and will NOT do what is moral or ethical until they are legally forced or punished into doing so. I neither trust nor have faith in humans "doing the right thing," because it's been demonstrated over and over again that behaviour like this is too often tolerated for too long with little or no protest, and when protest is present, those who do so are themselves persectured for protesting bad human behaviour.

We must take seriously the fact that humans ARE ruining the planet, and that this mass killing of other species is akin to intentional extermination, or voluntary murder, to be exact. We can no longer allow profiteers to dictate how we as a species live, and claim the right to treat the environment and other creatures as "resources" and "commodities." We have NO rights over them whatsoever. We never did, and it's time we atone for that great, arrogant assumption...starting right now.

Do everything you can to ensure that BP goes out of business forever, is forced to pay for every penny of the envionmental clean up (and not the American people!), and is prosecuted and fined for all the deaths caused - human, animal, and plant.

It's time humans woke up to the fact that we CANNOT DO AS WE PLEASE.
 

Barbara K. (84)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:53 pm
Shaktiva, that is precisely what I mean. It is so deep that only oil drilling personnel CAN fix it. Much as we hate it, they have to fix it because they are our only "hope" for fixing it. Meantime, the people can go down and do whatever they can to save our wildlife, marinelife, and the very Earth itself. We can deal with the morons who caused it after it is fixed. There is just no one else who can possibly fix it at that depth. At least, I have heard of nothing that can fix it for sure at that depth. They will end up bankrupt for sure, and that would be a good thing.
 

Maurene T. (122)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:53 pm
Earlier I posted a news story about Chris Matthews take on this spill. He was eloquent in his simplicity of words....but bottom line he said he "does not trust BP" and he does not trust "the regulators".
If you have time, read that story, I think you will be moved.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:56 pm

Irene, thank you!

(We are but humble stewards to the great earth we were given as a gift.)
 

Pamylle G. (461)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:57 pm
"The holy land is everywhere" - Black Elk.

Happily would I live another way to prevent this tragic destruction of life & beauty !

If you really love this country, this land, this world, stand against the greedy fools who do not care for anything but their games & the luxuries of their own little lives.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 12:58 pm

EEK -- I meant to say "Eva" (Rooibos)

She was one of my first friends here; and unless she decides I'm unworthy, will remain one until my membership ends.
 

Jill P. (70)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:02 pm
I look at those pictures and wonder how anyone could find this acceptable. The gulf is Dead! Period, end of story. The oil won't be around for years to come. It will be arund in the water and the sand for at least a century. We don't know how much longer because oil spills have not been around that long.
We have killed an entire gulf in one sweep and the Obama Administration is responding as effectively as Bush did with Katrina. They both just stand there with theri fingers up theri nose...nothing. Has the disaster from Katirna been fixed yet?....NO! so just think how bad this is.
Why does Obama and congress find this acceptable? They are soulless, that is why. They have absolutely no conscience, no sense of morality. That is not a criticism but an observation. americans keep electing people with no morality, people who are morally, mentally, and emotionally defective. Really. They have serious psychological problems and yet Americans are fooled by them to elect these mutanats that need Institutionalization NOT eledtion.
What is wrong with the American people seeing these pictures and not marching on the streets in masses, millions demanding an end to oil, nuclear power, coal, etc. What is wrong with Americans letting Obama expand offshore oil drilling..which he is still doing despite this...remember no morality.
We should have ZERO tolerance for ANYTHING that affects the health and well being of the environment, animals and people...PERIOD! It is not rocket science folks. it is not complicated! Very simple. You tolerate environmental destruction you don't get the job. SIMPLE! That would mean eliminating almost every single member of Congress and the entire Obama Administration.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:02 pm

(I know I'm a nimrod . . . but, I sometimes have a problem remembering the "real" names, vs. the fake ones. Sorry!)
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:04 pm
I tried to send you a Star "Just Carole" but I have sent you one in the last week so....

Instead of EVERYONE passing the buck of blame or some of those wanting to push others out, like Salazare who is trying to look like a hero with no plan of Action to speek of...why don't they ALL join forces together like BP, Salazare, the President and everyone else to stop this catastrphy from becomming the destruction of Planet Earth. Have they not ever heard of team work. This oil spill effects EVERYONE, not just the people by the Ocean, but humankind, animalkind, plant life, the enviroment and who knows the short or long term effects of the oil spill on the Entire Nation and surrounding Nations as well.

I have noted and signed all petitons that I can find on this subject.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:04 pm

WHY ARE WE SO SEDATED AND FEARFUL THAT WE WILL NOW NOT EVEN DEFEND OUR WORLD?
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:18 pm

If you refuse to witness this truth and speak out against it, your SILENCE is perpetuating this carnage! (Which makes you DIRECTLY to blame. Silence is betrayal.)

 

Brigitte T. (69)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:24 pm

Oil threatens French-speaking Cajuns, native Choctaw
AFP



by Clement Sabourin Clement Sabourin – Thu May 20, 10:00 am ET

MONTEGUT, Louisiana (AFP) – The encroaching Gulf of Mexico oil spill may have sounded the death knell for the vanishing cultures of the last French-speaking Cajun communities and Louisiana native Americans.

Here in the deep Louisiana south, the Cajun people and the French-speaking Choctaw Indians can do nothing but maintain an anxious vigil, angrily accusing US authorities of abandoning them to their fate.

Since the April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon rig unleashed a huge oil leak in the Gulf, no barriers have been erected to protect their home on a speck of land off the Louisiana coast called Isle de Jean Charles.

For two weeks, Clifton Hendon has been unable to go out to sea to harvest the oyster beds -- his only source of income.

Fishing has been banned in the area in the wake of the deepsea oil spill that British energy giant BP is still struggling to contain, nearly a month after the rig it leased from Transocean sank.

"I've lost hundreds of dollars," sighed the 63-year-old oysterman, one of the 80 or so last remaining French Indians, as they call themselves, living on Isle de Jean Charles.

His small, flat-bottomed boat lay idle, moored on the canal alongside the mobile home where he has lived since Hurricane Katrina destroyed his house in 2005. US officials have promised him a new home. But so far nothing.

"They have abandoned us," he said with an air of resignation.

Used to being overlooked, the Choctaw Indians were not surprised that military engineers sent to the region after the disaster have refused to erect barriers between the bayous and the sea as they have done further up the coast.

If the huge oil slick arrives here as predicted, nothing will stop it from washing up on Isle de Jean Charles, on the southern tip of Lousiana's vanishing wetlands.

"They told us that this island has nothing of value worth saving," said the island's historian, Christophe Brunet.

Tribal chief Albert Naquin confirmed his concerns, saying: "They forgot us because we are a small community and because we are an Indian community."

Instead, authorities have offered to relocate them on firmer land with the rest of the tribe of some 700 people, after hurricanes and the increasing salinization of the bayou have already caused many to leave.

But in fleeing this narrow strip of land that has fallen victim to coastal erosion and storms for years, the Choctaw know they are abandoning their traditions and the language of Moliere spoken here for over 300 years.

These are the descendants of mixed couples who came together in the 18th and 19th centuries, when French settlers intermarried with Indian women.

"Their culture has already been vanishing, because so many of the younger people aren't getting into fishing and to shrimping the way their parents did because it's just not quite lucrative," said filmmaker Rebecca Ferris, who is making a documentary about the island.

"Isle de Jean Charles is already in a paralyzed place because the wetlands are all disappearing and there is, I think, great risks that this area is gonna to go underwater," she added.

"It could be in August or in 30 years, but if the oil gets in to the wetlands around here, I think it would just accelerate the loss."

Bar owner Theo Chaisson agreed, as he emptied out trout he is still allowed to fish. "If it gets here, it will harm our community," he warned.

The Louisiana Indians and the Cajuns are the last French-speaking communities in the United States. But for decades, French has been losing ground.

In 2000, only about 200,000 Louisianans spoke French at home -- 50,000 less than 10 years earlier. "I think Isle de Jean Charles, of all (Indian) communities, is probably gonna be the first one to go," said Ferris.

"We're French Indians," chief Naquin said proudly. "When I started the school, I couldn't speak English.

"I use the French language just when I'm in the island. Basically our culture is the same than the Cajun."

The oil spill risks speeding up the death of the French language here, said singer Zachary Richard, who has fought for the survival of Francophone Louisiana. If the shrimpers are forced to shut down, that will spell the end of French in the bayous.

"The shrimpers are the last bastions of the French language because French is passed on on the boats. The young boys learn to fish using a French vocabulary," Richard said.

"We will see French disappear along a certain part of the Louisiana coast."

Filmmaker Glen Pitre, dubbed the father of Cajun cinema, predicted that for this unique place in America's deep south, the gathering oil slick forming off the coast "could be the last nail in the coffin."
 

Rhonda Maness (602)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:27 pm
Very moving, Carole, Thank you.
 

Marta Away (55)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:29 pm
Noted. Thanks, Carole.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:30 pm

Silence is consent.

SPEAK UP!
 

Lynn Christy (124)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:48 pm
noted, I watched in horror... it makes me sick... I've worked for gov't contractors before... have you ever tried to stop something that you know is wrong from happening in a place like that?... I have... all that happened was I lost my job because nobody else was willing to stand up with me... I can imagine that the one who said something about the bits of gasket coming up is already gone... if he wasn't blown up in the initial explosion... some people have been known to just disappear and never be seen or heard from again... our gov't is not to be messed with... =(
 

Marion Y. (322)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:49 pm
this was BP’s moment and THEY blew it. They have lied to the Government and to the public about the size and severity of the disaster right from the very first moment. How in the hell can any Government prepare an adequate response when the company responsible says, “Oh, it’s just a few hundred barrels of oil a day?” Then from week to week the scope of the disaster becomes more and more apparent after it’s too damned late to do anything.

BP, according to its own web site had gross profits of Almost $6.1 billion dollars in the first quarter of this year. That’s $67.5 million a DAY!! And now the Republicans want a bill to limit BP’s financial liability to $75 million and to bail out the company beyond that figure.

BP should be fined an amount equal to every penny in revenue they have earned in the US since the day the accident happened. Not profits, revenue. And the people who kept lying to us and to the Government should go to jail for the rest of their unnatural lives. In China they’d have been shot in the back of the head ten days after trial and conviction. Going to jail should be a blessed relief for the f***ing ba**ards.
 

Alice C. (1797)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 1:51 pm
We need clean energy NOW!!!!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:11 pm

For you believers . . .

This may be the time to recognize the Lord's intelligence -- in giving you free will -- to use that knowledge to protect the most precious gift he's given you on this earth . . . which IS this earth, and the animals, and elements that live in unison, according to His plan.

(Think about it. Do you think He wanted you to just throw up your arms and allow his creation to ruined (while you contemplated your heaven)?

To believers -- and non-believers -- that is A SIN!
 

Yulan Lawson (156)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:14 pm
Noted.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:22 pm

Again, I'm not a religious follower.

BUT, I do believe we are here for a purpose.

No matter WHAT you believe, you must see that this is an indication of the end of life as we know it.

Most of you acknowledge the existence of a sensitive ecological balance. And we, as greedy users, have upset that.

Of all of life's proponents, there are: earth, wind, air and fire.

WE are upsetting (or allowing it to be unsettled) the delicate balance of the very environment we need to exist.

Please pay attention.
 

Mike M. (53)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:24 pm
Noted
 

Yvan Labrie (3)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:30 pm
You know, BP is laughing to the face of the peoples who buy there products and laugh also in the facce of each and every Governement from everywhere around the world. That Company at the beginning never wanted to make sure that nothing bad would happenned in the Gulf, and now they are doing everything in there power to let more oil spills going in to the Ocean. I thought that the Exxon Valdez were a bad problem when they had there disaster but now, BP's disaster is bigger and badder than what the Exxon Valdez i had done many years back. That's a great lost that area environnement wise, a great lost for the well being of the Planet overall. BP's doesnt want that oil disaster to stop cuz they want to recuperate the oil that goes out from there instead of condammed that pipe once and for all. I deeply hope that a solution will be found soon.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:39 pm

I'll be even more cynical than you, Yvan . . .

I think this IS a test of our creator.

We (especially in the United States, and in other developed countries) have RAPED other countries and committed despicable horrors in doing so).

And now, that we see this destruction of our delicate balance -- we STILL do not see that it has nothing to do with politics, parties, wings -- IT HAS TO DO WITH OUR EXISTENCE.

But, we are so divided and propagandized, that we refuse to see the whole.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:39 pm

Maybe we deserve this.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:43 pm

We actually have people who KNOW that 53% of this country's budget is devoted toward KILLING PEOPLE -- but who don't even consider using that money toward housing, medical care, etc.

(And many of them call themselves CHRISTIANS.)
 

Laura Thomas (7)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:56 pm
We are doing it with our own hands. :((
 

Sue D. (156)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 2:59 pm
That is a very moving look at the damages and death that an oil spill causes - off shore drilling HAS to stop before our entire ocean and ocean life are suffocated by these avoidable disasters. I have and will sign any petition that I can!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:01 pm

As stewards of this earth, we NEED to see this carnage . . . AND OPPOSE IT!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:02 pm

Heaven help us . . . for KNOWING and yet, DOING NOTHING TO STOP THIS DESTRUCTION!
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:03 pm

We are no larger than the smallest creature that depends upon our kindness.
 

EcoWorrier M I A MoonWalk Again (947)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:08 pm
Send a Green Star to Just Carole
Sending a Green Star is a simple way to say "Thank you"
You cannot currently send a star to Just because you have done so within the last week.
 

EcoWorrier M I A MoonWalk Again (947)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:12 pm
This isnt very JUST situation, and I wish it could be fixed. I am sorry, I could not watch it all for pain and tears, and being so helpless. I wish thre was something solid we could do.
 

Mike H. (221)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:12 pm
We all share the guilt for this disaster. Our addiction to oil has created monsters like BP. We must continue to develop alternative sustainable energy sources. Untill then there will always be new disasters like this one.
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:16 pm
Haven't heard much from the "big oil" boys on this subject....Sarah Palin's been quiet, too. Maybe she's off gunning down wolves in Alaska?
 

EcoWorrier M I A MoonWalk Again (947)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:18 pm
Ben is right, in my opinion.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:18 pm

We need to QUIT feeling sorry for ourselves, pull up our "big people panties" and CONFRONT this government (that we pay for)!

I'll say to you the same thing I look in the mirror and slap myself while saying:
"SHUT UP, YOU USELESS WHINEY THING . . . QUIT FEELING SORRY FOR YOURSELF . . . DO SOMETHING USEFUL AND GET OVER IT!!"
 

EcoWorrier M I A MoonWalk Again (947)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:20 pm
it is one big bloody mess and worse the biggest slaughter house. All those beautiful animals, sea life, everything, poisoned. PROGRESS IS NOT ALWAYS A GREAT IDEA.
 

Tammy Smith (74)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 3:48 pm
this is unacceptable
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:14 pm
This is JUST for CAROLE... ;)

You were one of my first and most real friends here, too, and I and others are grateful for people of conscience, like you, who speak up about a whole host of issues. I admit that my focus is rather narrow and is mostly centered on that of animals and the environment, whereas you take a broader view and expose the darkness to the light of day on a broader range of evils that occur in the world. For that, you have my admiration. And, for that, I am honoured to be your friend!

((((HUGS)))) Eva the RooibosBird
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:16 pm

(OMG, You're gonna make me cry. I never expect anything.)

I love you so, Eva!
 

sue M. (184)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:19 pm
That was really hard to watch. Seen most of the pics individually but when you get it all together it really tears your heart out. The tears were just streaming down my face and could not stop thinking as looking to the boats one spark, one match and.......

We have another oil spill off a tanker in Singapore with 2,200 tons of the stuff. Canada is preparing for the next multi billion dollar launch that very well could be next on the list and we have this monster that no one wants to take any responsibility for. Our gov is doing absoloutely nothing but creating a huge smoke screen for the masses. They have hushed up the research team that found more plumes 10miles in length and have not even activated a local let alone national disaster.

There should have been a mass call to arms, enlisting anyone and everyone to get heir butts down there and help, the National Guard etc, military not at war etc., still should, then talk about how much it was going to cost BP. Hell, you don't let one fireman put out a block of blaze you have a whole bunch of teams.

Obama says "You handle it BP" while coastline and life is destroyed leading the masses to think something will be done and big tough old Obama looks like a good guy. They have no intenion of socking it to BP nor evicting them from the US as long as they get their fair share of the cut they are happy.

It's all in our hands again and I hope we do a better job of it than the bailouts!

.
 

Tere M. (76)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:25 pm
Thank you for sharing! Great comments everyone! I wanted to send more green stars, but it seems that I already have done so in the last week.
Noted with sadness... ~
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:26 pm
The astounding thing is that Palin and her followers still believe in "drill, baby, drill."
 

sue M. (184)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:27 pm
And now this: BP Had A Key Role in the Exxon Valdez Disaster

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100525/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill_exxon_valdez
 

. (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:40 pm
What can I say about the devastation that the pictures of the Gulf don't say in volumes? Carole, I agree with you that we can't afford NOT to speak up on this. I have signed the petition you linked to and have a list of several others on my page...more are started each day and it doesn't take much time to search them out or contact our elected officials.

Unfortunately, we are finding out that the Obama administration seems to be as friendly to oil companies as Bush & Cheney were. Who would have thought? But my disappointment and frustration in them is nothing compared to the "Environmental Terrorism" that was allowed to happen.

Our politicians do lip service to environmental causes to help them get elected but then allow polluters of the highest magnitude to get away with murder. 11 human lives were lost in the Gulf explosion and the marine life in the Gulf (and further) has suffered loss of life and destruction that it will never recover from. Tony Hayward, CEO of BP, says that their company will clean up "every drop of oil" in the Gulf. Sure you will, Tony.

Companies that don't follow regulations along with governments who look the other way while they do it, all share responsibility for the devastation. Can we trust either to come thru with solutions? Can we trust either to make necessary changes in the future? This won't happen if we all don't speak out LOUDLY and let them know their actions are not acceptable. They need to be on the receiving end of a "exploding gusher" of letters, petitions, calls, and protests.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:55 pm

I am not a religious person . . . and I do not want to lead anyone . . .

But, when I watched this, I felt something . . . call it a "voice," or whatever, but mainly, I think it was my conscience. It said, "HOW CAN YOU KNOW THIS AND DO NOTHING?"

Even the music emphasized that feeling.

And, then, I knew that I could not feel so strongly and be silent.

I love you guys so much! (And I know I can be a royal pain.)

But I do thank you for letting me be the outspoken, eccentric person that is me.
 

Janet G. (109)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:57 pm
Truly, the death of the earth will continue to progress and seems to be accelerating as I even write these words; my opinion only, that gas and oil powered vehicles need to be history today before any change will occur. No more Earth Compromises! WE need to live locally and go back to evolve. There is NO other way! ..There is a mad frenzy and endless assault on the last bit of the Earth's resources, as if there is no end. We are pulling up rain forests, melting ice mountains where polar bears and other wildlife depend on for sustenance and sucking the oceans of what life there is left in every possible way we can. WE need to end it now!.
There is an old Cree Indian Proverb that says: "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realize, we can't eat money" I might add, when the last seagull flies and the last fish has a home will we realize this. Thanks Just C
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 4:58 pm

Thank you, Jan.
 

sue M. (184)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 5:02 pm
Hey Carole, Think that would be more on the lines of personal integrity with a high moral code and conscious. It is people like you who should really lead. Good going girl, keep it up!
 

Peter B. (54)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 5:09 pm
Noted shared.Thanyou for shareing.So sad.
 

Lone Wolf (24)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 5:27 pm
Michael H is right. We all share the guilt for this tragedy .Continue to use less oil and develop energy that doesn't use oil
 

Pat B. (354)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:14 pm
TY, Carole for this sad, dose of life's reality video. It's so horribly sad!!! Ditto on the above comments Re: this tragedy
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:19 pm
Thank you Carole for another outstanding post and arousal to action.
While many noters and commenters have already signed petitions, for benefit of those who may not be aware,
some 35 petitions are now posted on a single Care2-inspired page, together with comments and more by a number of Care2 activists, Carole included. PLEASE TAKE ADVANTAGE, YOU CAN QUICKLY MULTIPLY YOUR VOICE UP TO 35 TIMES!
GULF OIL DISASTER ACTION CENTRAL
 

pj dickenson (27)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:34 pm
WHY IS IT THE AMERICAN GOVERNMENT WILL STICK THEIR NOSES IN ALL THE WORLD'S BUSINESS AND THEY WON'T STOP THIS?!! THIS ADMINISTRATION OBVIOUSLY DOESN'T CARE!!! MR. OBAMA, THIS IS YOUR LEGACY TO YOUR CHILDREN AND THE WORLD. MAYBE WE'D ALL BE BETTER OFF IF YOU WENT BACK AND GREW PINEAPPLES!!!
 

Terry B. (649)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:42 pm
Three top reasons for this travestry:

1. American and corporate greed.

2. American and corporate greed.

3. American and coporate greed,
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:44 pm

Thank you, Gregory!

PLEASE SIGN ALL PETITIONS/ACTIONS ON HIS SITE:

 
GULF OIL DISASTER ACTION CENTRAL

and add any more you are aware of!

 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:52 pm
 
Here's another important one, Gregory . . . Please add it, if it's not there alfready:
 
Seize BP
 
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:54 pm

(already . . . duh, me being just stupfid and impatient.)

hehehehe
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 6:56 pm

I firmly believe that this is this world's biggest "wake up call."

Our sincere actions are imperative.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:00 pm

Hey, Barbara. Thanks for joining us. (She's the dear friend who sent this to me.)
 

Barbara D. (70)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:02 pm
BEYOND HEARTBREAKING. And in the end, this will all wash up to Britain and BP will have fouled their own waters, too. As you sow, so shall you reap. Not that this will be any consolation.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:07 pm

Bless your heart, my dearest friend.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:19 pm

Please thank the original poster of this video by helping it to go viral at YouTube and giving it a "Thumbs Up" and "favoriting" it.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:23 pm
The Gulf disaster is too horrific. There must be no more deepwater drilling or any offshore drilling for that matter. Humans could easily be moving to solar and wind if it wasn't for the oil companies' grip on govt.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:26 pm

Oh, my God . . . WHAT HAVE WE DONE????
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:29 pm
Oh my, the birds, fish, turtles, sharks, dolphins, plants. Sooooo much oil.

That's just what I was going to say, what have we done?

Heartbreaking.
 

Debbie Johnson (116)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:31 pm
This video puts the whole devastating mess into dramatic perspective...Almost unbearable to watch but a true motivator for those who care to open their eyes and wake up to one of the many consequences of this fragile planet's dependence on oil and a prime example of the corrupt,apathetic,unaccountable greed of those who count on it...
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:33 pm

There is NO excuse for this carnage!

I am beside myself, and overwhelmed with grief.

Even if it's too late . . . I'm SORRY!
 

Carmen S. (69)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:40 pm
God must be crying. He gave us a beautiful earth and how we are killing it slowly year after year. And for what. Oil and Greed.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:44 pm

There is no adequate forgiveness for this. We have destroyed our own God-created habitat, without regard for the species who shared it . . . and we were supposed to protect them.

 

greenplanet e. (157)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:47 pm
I don't think we humans can think we're "superior" to the natural world, can we? No other animal pollutes its own nest -- and the "nest" of all other animals, birds and plants,
 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:51 pm
Carole, I've added "Answer Coalition's Seize BP - Carole" to GULF OIL DISASTER ACTION CENTRAL
If anyone becomes aware of a "Fire Salazar" petition please post it here and I'll post that also.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:52 pm

Thank you.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 7:54 pm

Gregory has a very pro-active group at his site. I encourage all to visit (and join) him.

 

Mary L. (138)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:04 pm
March 24, 1989 The Exxon Valdez runs aground spilling an estimated minimum 10.8 million US gallons. That's minimum.

The New York Times reported, "In a closed-door briefing for members of Congress, a senior BP executive conceded Tuesday that the ruptured oil well could conceivably spill as much as 60,000 barrels a day of oil, more than 10 times the estimate of the current flow."

April 22 - May 25 == 33 days X 60,000 = 1,980,000, some how I think it's actually higher than that. I doubt we will ever know for sure
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:15 pm

Let's remember, that in addition to this holocaust of greed . . .

11 lives were lost!

"Their greed led to 11 horrific and unnecessary deaths. It has harmed an enormous tourism industry, threatened business at countless fisheries and disrupted life for many along the Gulf Coast. As the pollution grows worse, those consequences will only compound."

http://therogersinstitute.blogspot.com/2010/05/harry-reid-bps-greed-caused-gulf-oil.html
 

Monica D. (580)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:17 pm
We must reduce our dependence on oil - eat local, buy local, take public transport, walk, and cycle. We should lobby officials for better public transport and better town planning to reduce the need for car travel. I've seen some Care2 members running petitions on the Care2 petition site for these kinds of initiatives, and I'd like to see more.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:22 pm

I agree, Monica.

We need to take away from this tragedy, a lesson. I, for one, don't think I will ever so selfishly look upon driving my car for expediency, when I could easily walk, again.

The visions ingrained in my memory of this video, and the realization that it was caused, by the cumulative laziness of me and my fellow citizens, will forever be with me.

WE were a great part of the reason for their senseless deaths.
 

Just Carole (338)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:32 pm

We are hardly superior when we heedlessly endanger the lives of the animals we were sent to protect out of sheer selfishness.
 

Darlene Therrien (161)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:36 pm
Noted. Very disturbing,unbelieveable and it really scares me. I pray with all my heart God help us,help save the Ocean and all the beautiful living life that lives there. Man has no buisness doing the damage that they do.
 

Sue D. (156)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:48 pm
The National Wildlife Federation is hosting a tele-townhall "The BP Oil Spill: Impacts to Wildlife and How You Can Help." RSVP for the tele-townhall by going here-
 

Dawn D. (140)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:48 pm
So sad. I'm extremely upset by this disaster. Thanks for the excellent video. I'm sending it to all my non-Care2 friends as well. Spread the word!
 

Sue D. (156)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 8:49 pm
https://online.nwf.org/site/SSurvey?&SURVEY_ID=19141& ACTION_REQUIRED=URI_ACTION_USER_REQUESTS
 

True Patriot (226)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 9:14 pm
There is a song, "Color Nature Gone" by Xit, a Native American band. The song is well over 20 years old but this is it that it describes. I will dig it out for you C. Thank you for sharing and Im passing on everywhere.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 10:11 pm
Terry B - it should be "human greed," actually!

Monica - Please don't forget the big one...end human overpopulation and consumptionism!
 

Past Member (0)
Tuesday May 25, 2010, 11:58 pm
This is wormwood 0f the revelations. The lifting of the veil is coming and upon the Earth. There is gone be wide spread famine and decease will break 0ut and be blamed on rotting flesh from this tragedy. Black rain will come and destroy vegetation far inland. Time is short seek the 0ne true God 0f the is Earth and hope you may escape the coming judgement that is upon the earth. His Name is Yeshua/Jesus.
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Brigitte T. (69)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 12:19 am
From Brasschecktv

Hundreds of Gulf fishermen whose livelihoods have
been destroyed by the BP-created oil catastrophe have
taken jobs trying to contain the damage.

As during the Valdez disaster, these workers are
showing symptoms of lung damage and other internal
injuries as a result of exposure to toxins.

Details:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/851.html

- Brasscheck

P.S. Please share Brasscheck TV e-mails and
videos with friends and colleagues.

That's how we grow. Thanks.
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Brigitte T. (69)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 12:22 am
*They Are Purposely Killing the Gulf*

The private, foreign International Monetary/Banking Cartel controls its
puppets in Washington as it controls its oil company executives. And
everything the Cartel does is anti-life, there are absolutely no exceptions;
and their pretended Gulf oil clean-up is a glaring case in point.

Instead of cleaning up the unprecedented catastrophe created by the Cartel’s
mega-corporations (Halliburton, Transocean, and British Petroleum), these
very same companies are purposely killing our Gulf of Mexico, under the
pretense of cleaning it up.

Instead of using safe, non-toxic ways to gather up the rogue oil gushing
from their incompetence, or planned cataclysm, the private Cartel is using
an extremely toxic chemical dispersant, with the approval of the Obama
administration.

Alan Levine, the head of Louisiana’s Department of Health and Hospitals,
said: “We don’t have any data or evidence behind the use of these chemicals
in the water. We’re now basically using one of the richest ecosystems in the
world as a laboratory.”

As reported in Britain’s Telegraph, Louisiana state Secretary of the
Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, Robert Barham reported: “We’re very
disappointed in their [EPA and oil company executives] approach. The federal
procedures call for a consensus between federal authorities, the responsible
party and the states involved. When we met and expressed our concerns [over
the use of dispersants], apparently they decided to go without us.”

And go they did. Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency allowed BP to turn
our Gulf of Mexico into a toxic testing ground, instead of removing the
crude oil.

British Petroleum (BP) has even refused to use their own oil tankers, lying
in the Gulf, to suck up most of the runaway oil, and possibly salvage it for
sale later, as was done after a Saudi spill in the ‘90’s. That method was so
successful, it vacuumed up about 85 percent of that renegade oil.

Nick Pozzi, a former oil pipeline engineering and operations project manager
is puzzled why BP did not salvage perfectly good crude oil for later sale,
and to thereby protect marine and wildlife.

What Mr. Pozzi does not know is the oil companies are owned by the world’s
only legal counterfeiters – the International Monetary/Banking Cartel - who
can “print” all the money they want, so making money on Gulf oil was not
important to them. Killing the Gulf of Mexico is, apparently, important to
them, for their own cryptic and esoteric reasons.

If the Cartel had wanted to save marine life, any oil they had not vacuumed
up could have been mulched with any number of non-toxic materials, such as
“Oil Sponge,” a name trademarked by Phase III, Inc.

Rated as the “best performing” absorbent by the US Army Corp of Engineers,
Oil Sponge is 100% organic, and is made from renewable resources.

Oil Sponge is built using a microbial and nutrient package, capable of
transforming oil hydrocarbons into a safe bi-product of carbon dioxide and
water.

But, the governmental bureaucrats of the Obama administration, and the
Cartel’s oil executives, had no interest in using an environmentally
friendly product to clean up what is the greatest man-made environmental
disaster of all time … they were intent on making this unbelievable
cataclysm far, far worse, and one that could never be cleaned up.

It cannot yet be proven that the Monetary Cartel purposely blew up their own
wellhead, but the crimes they have committed in their so-called “clean-up”
efforts are well documented, in spite of no corporate media outrage.

After the Exxon Valdez incident of March 1989, Mycelx of Georgia developed
what looks like a paper towel to soak up to 50 times its weight in oil. And
while this product is used from the Middle East to Europe to Canada it was
of no interest to the parties Obama charged with cleaning up the Gulf of the
floating oil those very same parties caused.

Even hair naturally separates oil from water, leaving large tar globs, in
which mushrooms can then be seeded. And as the mushrooms grow, they digest
the oil, leaving non-toxic organics, which can then be composed into soil,
great for growing healthy vegetables.

Anyone who has ever had a bad hair day knows how well hair will retain oil.
In fact, Lisa Gautier, president of Matter of Fact (website for hair salons)
has collected 400,000 pounds of hair, and stuffed it all into nylons to be
used as booms near Gulf shores.

This idea could have been a shot in the arm of our dying economy, by
creating organic compose for the millions of nutrient depleted farm acres in
the world. Also there could have been a viable cottage industry of
collecting hair from salons.

And, hair is certainly a renewable resource, with most of us contributing. But
neither Obama or the Cartel will ever do anything for our dying US and world
economy, but ensure it dies, while feebly pretending to resuscitate it.

But in the world of what could have been, there’s hay, sawdust, crushed
volcanic rock, and even kitty litter that could have mulched with the oil on
the surface of the Gulf waters, making for easy pick-up.

But, oil industry executives and their confederates in the Obama
administration quickly made sure that all spewing oil would either sink well
below the surface, or never rise to it, so it could never be vacuumed up or
neutralized.

Worse yet, these international criminals of humanity, and life in the Gulf,
committed their dastardly deed of deeply submerging the floating oil with an
extremely dangerous chemical dispersant that would deny all marine creatures
oxygen, thus killing them, and marine plant life to boot, as major
underwater currents carry the poisonous oil through-out the Gulf and into
the Atlantic.

Trying to give this mass murder a positive spin, BP spokesman John Crabtree
said his corporation had dropped more than 560,000 gallons of [toxic]
chemical dispersants on the surface slicks and 28,700 gallons of the
chemical at the subsea wellhead, 5,000 feet below sea-level.

Crabtree’s justification for such an insane, criminal act was that the
dispersants would drive the oil well below the water’s surface, thus keeping
it away from coastal shorelines. So instead of removing the oil, BP decided
to make the oil even more toxic, and drive it deep into the ocean where it
can never be retrieved, but will kill all marine life in its path.

Mandy Joyce, a marine sciences professor at the University of Georgia
carefully chose her words about BP’s deplorable dispersants: “Anything that
requires oxygen will not be able to survive that water. The food web is
going to change. You could stymie the entire production level of the Gulf of
Mexico. That’s a very real possibility.”

BP’s chemical dispersants contain 2-butoxyethanol, a compound that kills
marine and wildlife, exactly the life our clean-up measures should try to
save.

BP’s chemical dispersants, currently being dropped by airplanes, break the
crude oil into tiny droplets that sink well below the water’s surface,
where they form a giant cloud or plume, making it impossible to gather, as
is the obvious intention.

And with this poisonous plume creating a dead zone, currently estimated to
be about the size of Delaware and Rhode Island combined, hidden at about
3,000 feet of water, no one can place an accurate figure on how much oil has
actually gushed into the Gulf.

And once this death dealing plume reaches the large, rapidly moving Loop
Current, this oily cloud of doom could swing toward Florida and Cuba,
killing the coral reefs and marine life there.

According to Stephen Howden, an oceanographer at the University of Southern
Mississippi, the Loop Current could drag the oxygen destroying cloud into
shallower waters thus potentially impacting the coral reefs and fisheries
near Florida’s coast.

University of Georgia’s Mandy Joyce said, “It’s a good thing the oil is not
damaging the coast line, but to say everything is fine because its not
hitting the coast is missing a very important part of this equation.”

And I would say, Ms. Joyce’s statement is a serious understatement.

Another person famous for misleading and under stated remarks is our
president, Barack Obama.

There can be no denying that President Obama and his EPA regulators are
accomplices to the crimes in the Gulf of Halliburton, Transocean, and
British Petroleum by allowing these perpetrators of the disaster to be the
ones in charge of the capping and clean-up efforts.

How much longer will our government allow these corporate criminals to fail
with the capping of the oil gushers ,and making a dead zone of the Gulf of
Mexico and perhaps the Atlantic ocean?

Thus far, President Obama has made a grandstand play by pretending to
excoriate the oil company executives responsible for the Gulf tragedy for
not taking responsibility.

Excuse me Sir, it’s you who should have taken control and responsibility by
tasking competent individuals and companies to cap this runaway well, and to
clean up the mess, without destroying the entire Gulf of Mexico in the
process.

And instead of excoriating the oil company executives and government
bureaucrats
who dumped over a half million gallons of toxic dispersants into the Gulf,
you should be arresting them for crimes against humanity, not to mention
marine and wildlife.

Additionally, Obama’s teleprompter writers had the ignorance to state the
ridiculous: “I know BP has committed to pay for the response effort, and we
will hold them to their obligation,” read Obama.

The very obvious point Mr. Obama, is you should have saved our Gulf of
Mexico, by making sure Transocean, Halliburton, and British Petroleum had
absolutely nothing to do with the clean-up efforts, rather than making them
pay to turn the Gulf into a dead zone.

President Obama went on to say many parties, including the federal
government should accept blame for the disaster, he stopped short of saying
he, himself, should be imprisoned for his part in so destroying life in the
Gulf.

“There is oil leaking. We need to stop it, and we need to stop it as soon as
possible,” said Obama.

It’s not a leak, Mr. Obama. It’s a volcanic gusher spewing out an Exxon
Valdez every two to four days.

From whales and dolphins to sardines, from starfish to coral reefs, from
microscopic organisms to all the fish in the sea, the Cartel has embarked
upon killing, and will kill … unless they are stopped. Are you man enough
for the job, Mr. President?

J. Speer-Williams

 

Elaine Robinson (131)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:42 am
EARTH IS CRYING CAN YOU NOT HEAR HER CRIES - END THIS DESTRUCTION OF MOTHER EARTH - MAKE BP ACCOUNTABLE LIVES THEY AV TOOK - END USE OF OIL - I WISH THERE WAS NO OIL THAT IT WAS ALL GONE - EMBRACE MOTHER EARTH LOVE HER LOOK AFTER HER - I COULDNOT WATCH THE FILM I LOVE MOTHER EARTH WHY CAN'T THE OIL BE GONE WHY IS NO-ONE DOING ANYTHING
 

Elaine Robinson (131)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:44 am
DO AWAY WITH GOVERNMENTS CORPORATIONS THEY SERVE US NO GOOD
 

Sara L. (23)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:52 am
we can hear earth crying....why people cant understand?
 

Linda Mills (104)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 2:58 am
noted and signed with sadness and disgust at human stupidity. it seems some of us determined to destroy everything we have.
 

Huda A. (45)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 3:55 am
Signed and share ! peace to earth Namasté
 

mary f. (180)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:05 am
this is like a scene from an end of the world movie only its real
 

Barbara K. (84)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:24 am
I have said it many times already and I will say it again: IF WE CONTINUE TO DESTROY OUR PLANET, WHERE WILL WE LIVE?
 

Carolyn Bridges (30)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:41 am
noted thanks ben,this world can't keep standing.
 

Agnes H. (144)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:47 am
Noted Carole and I'm sorry I'm so late, that I'll explain later. I watched a few video's if you don't mind as we don't hear anything here and what I saw was dreadful, I've still got tears in my eyes from the crying I've done I saw a Dolphin and shark and somany turtles and the field where the Pelicans were is empty, where will they go? What will happen if they don't clear this up? I know I've got questions no one can answer but EPA should ban BP and at least they won't be able to drill anywhere. They said the cement wasn't dry enough to start drilling then why did they do it anyway? I've got those questions and I'm sure you have them as well! BP is the only one who can clear this somehow, but the EPA should ban them right now! I'm sorry people that your country has to suffer so much at the hands of BP.
 

Tekla Drakfrende (82)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:56 am
i cried.....
they have just been able to help one seaturtle - all the others have been found dead......
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 5:03 am
We live in an age where truth has become an illusion of sorts with both sides of an argument able to cite sources that back their own individualistic claims, but if we look at humanity as a singular whole, then the entire spectrum of thought becomes a circular view of which we are all a part.
There is no doubt that our environment is on the brink of catastrophe; no longer can the living ecosystems on the planet absorb the dualistic trends that have come to define the modern world. We must change either the way we treat the planet or our own individual inner states. A Buddhist approach makes the claim the two are mirror images, reflections of each other.
There have been several articles recently trying to address the reasons humanity is reluctant to embrace the problems developing from our lifestyles of greed and overconsumption. One such argument makes the case that human nature since the beginning of time has dealt with these two conditions. The article concludes with the suggestion that investors can profit off of a transition to a more peaceful state of existence, but it does a fine job of opening up the discussion of human nature in relation to the climate, environment, and energy crisis we are currently facing. No one ever said that a sustainable future is devoid of a vibrant economy.
Particular Buddhist principles outline that greed and overconsumption arise from an imbalance within the human mind.

Humans should offer more gratitude to nature for all that it provides; our actions should show this gratitude by making sacrifices of some of the things that make us feel 'comfortable'.
Do we need to all live in caves and work by candlelight, like critics of the simpler-life argument claim? Of course not. What we need to do is begin addressing the issues that are causing our insatiable greed leading to overconsumption of the world's resources. The thought that more stuff creates happiness is an illusion; observe people with money and you will most probably find that they have the same problems that people living in poor neighborhoods have. Money does not calm inner turmoil.
Capitalism is the tool we are using to fuel our competitive lifestyles; we need bigger cars, nicer houses, larger TVs, newer handheld gadgets, and prettier kids than our neighbors. It seems as though, as a society, we are never satisfied with our present condition.

This idea that seven billion people can all own more than they need, and that the planet has the capacity to fulfill these desires is truly, common sense tell us so, unsustainable. True happiness comes from caring for something with all of your being and having that living being flourish from your efforts. Destruction and degradation only brings about more suffering. Compassion is the fertilizer for life.
To simply state that our survival depends upon the survival of nature is not working because the planet is so large while the human perspective is so small. Those most responsible for climate change and environmental degradation have built castles that shelter them from the most damaging effects (they also have the luxury of moving from one affected region to one not in full crisis mode, to their second, third, or fourth home). We need to find a way to feel full with what we need and let go of what we want.
 

KS Goh (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 5:08 am
Thanks very much
 

Aarif Ahmad (1)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 5:16 am
I hope this will come to an end finally, please no more offshore drilling, thanks for this great article! Also i have signed to stop this!
 

Virginia Ruffolo (4)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 5:52 am
Thanks Ben. You're right. BP needs to go belly up just the way these poor creatures suffered.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 5:58 am
Carole, I can't watch the video either. I am so sick and tired of their quest for oil when they should be spending their billions in profits investing ing in alternatice, sustainable energy. thanks for posting though. You help to make people aware of the devatation caused by oil companies.
 

Julie van Niekerk (230)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 6:14 am
The oil people think that the real disaster is loosing profit.
 

Jessica K. (96)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 6:31 am
I agree with the premise of suspending BP's contracts. Unfortunately, this seems to be the only leverage the federal government has. Forget about the state and municipal governments. Because BP is a "private citizen" (lol) they can get away with all the insanity that they have wreaked. The law has no teeth and too many loopholes for transnationals to jump through.
 

Marthe B. (9)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 6:48 am
What can we say?very sad and it's not sure that politicians and big trusts will decide to choose other energies,planet saving ones...they essentially think about how much money is lost here :(
can we as individual consumers just do the best we can to pollute the less possible in our every day lives,recycle, collect rain water,feed the bees by planting flowers,shrubs and trees,put water in our backyards for birds bees or cats!!simple things to stay in a good mood to go on hoping for better times with more people aware of their responsibilities on earth as leaders.
 

Alison A. (236)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:05 am
Noted with sadness
 

Belinda Velasquez (3)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:21 am
What a terrible disaster, we need a president that is willing to get things moving, not taking a vacation while this disaster is taking place. We need leadership. We need someone in government to do something, anything, but point fingers at each other and make up a committees to think about the oil spill. Its a no brainer, clean it up!!! Get people moving on this and don't wait for BP to get on it. Obama while you are spending memorial day not laying a wreath for our soldiers, and going to the Paul Macartney concert, you might want to fit in some actual work and do something, anything about this spill!!!!!
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:25 am

Thank you, Belinda!
 

Beba h. (89)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:37 am
The people responsible need to be held accountable--there should be capital punishment for a disaster of this magnitude !
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:47 am
I with You, Dear Carole!
Once again:
NO MORE OFFSHORE DRILLING!!! Please sign this petition!
475,576 have signed the petition! Let's get to our delivery target of 500,000
https://secure.avaaz.org/en/stop_offshore_drilling/?fp
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 8:49 am
Well said, Dianne H. Your message stands out above the many voices here with a solution. It seems simple, but I'm afraid we're not ready for it. Greed and consumption. People around the world have so admired America as the land of milk, honey and freedom. It is a nation built of greed, theft, slavery, genocide, corruption and immorality. Is it any wonder why we have so many in prison over other nations? Why we have so many mentally ill and depressed? This nation is unbalanced. There's a small percentage at the top, and the rest are clamoring to reach that fantasy land. As a nation that has guided other nations, we are poor leaders and America has failed thus far. Our priorities have been wrong.

We blame BP, other oil companies, Republicans, Democrats and even Obama for this disaster. Some of them are directly to blame, yes. But they are merely a symptom of the the unconscious way we all live our lives. We are all guilty of this disaster. Do you consume oil without finding ways to drastically reduce usage? Supply and demand. If you did not demand it in large quantities, BP would not kill to supply it. I'm not going to get into spiritual values because I'm quite sure you all know or sense what they are. I am also sure each of us knows what to do. As Carole said, we need to do SOMETHING.

Please reread Dianne's post above. Sign all the petitions about this disaster. Look into your soul and lifestyle and make a commitment to change how you live and use the planet's resources. Spread the word. Know that what I do affects you...and the cycle continues.

The solution lies within.
 

FulviaAway M. (331)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 9:06 am
Depressing...
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:04 am
Sarah Palin finally being quiet? She believes so much in drill baby drill...I want to know why she is not donating any of her funds to help stop this disaster...OR....any of these BIG CORPORATIONS that believe so much in Off Shore Drilling.
Were are all the Nations & Countries that the U.S.A. has so freely helped out over the years...why aren't they here to help us? The U.S.A. is in massive debt because of ALL of the Countries that WE have helped out, but do you EVER see any of them lift a finger EVER comming to the Aid of the U.S.A. when WE finally need help? Heck no, WE always end up shafted. I am tired of our money going out to help other Countries when they could care less about the U.S.A. and wont help us out in turn.
Not being "Relitious" or anything but the Bible say's that this World would be destroyed by fire. They are talking about setting the oil on fire to burn it off....with all the oil now that is on the land and all the Chemicles now in the air from all of this, wouldn't setting it on fire create a massive out of control fire all around? They cannot even get the fire out from the rig that is still ablaze how would they put out a fire that covers several States lining the Ocean as well as the flames going up onto the sky?
 

Patricia C. (96)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:06 am
Just Carole, while I was watching the video, I was thinking the same thing; "if EVER a video needed to go viral, this is it", and I thank you, and Barbara, for sharing it. I have never seen so many profound comments in one post, or wanted to give so many "green stars". I feel as you do, and have been saying it; this is a WAKE UP call, or should be. This gushing oil is called a disaster, and while it is, it is much more than that. It is a holocaust of life in and around the gulf. Like Shaktiva, I am very disturbed that more is not being done to protect the wildlife. I think BP should be putting people back to work by building many large rehabilitation ares, protected from the oil. I believe this could be done, and many creatures could be saved. I have called my wildlife rehabilitation friends with my questions, but haven't heard back yet. Why are they being cleaned and released, while the thing is still gushing and there is no way of knowing where the oil will show up??!
I will visit all the links provided, to make sure I've signed and emailed everything. Like mary f said; "like a scene from an end of world movie but it's real".
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:29 am
I agree with most of what you wrote, Dianne.
Except for this:
"We need bigger cars, nicer houses, larger TVs, newer handheld gadgets..." (I thought: -who are "We"?)
That doesn't include me anyway. I don't own a car, and most of my furnitures etc is second hand. Why should I have more than I need, when hundreds of millions people don't have anything?
If all of us on this tormented Planet of ours should have the same "standard of living" as in the so called "Developed" countries, we would need at the very least three more Planets Earth. In other words; It's an absolute impossibility to go on like we do. And that is a fact.
We are on the road to the Point of No Return with the speed of light, and most of us know it too. So; what are we doing about it, except for these talks, talks, talks...since the Stockholm Conference 1972!!!??? (think I'm going to puke now)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't we hear a lot about "Change", and "Yes, we can!" in 2008? That gave many, many of us in a lot of countries HOPE, but we should have known better, shouldn't we?

"Because we don't think about future generations, they will never forget us"
(Henrik Tikkanen)

Mother Earth is crying;
-Won't someone help me please?
Can't You see I'm dying
from this dreadful disease!
-Ben (Bengt) Oscarsito
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:47 am
Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment 1972 (!!!)
"States the common conviction that:
Principle 1
Man has the fundamental right to freedom, equality and adequate conditions of life, in an environment of a quality that permits a life of dignity and well-being, and he bears a solemn RESPONSIBILITY TO PROTECT AND IMPROVE THE ENVIRONMENT FOR PRESENT AND FUTURE GENERATIONS. In this respect, policies promoting or perpetuating apartheid, racial segregation, discrimination, colonial and other forms of oppression and foreign domination stand condemned and must be eliminated...."

What a wonderful World it would be... BULLSHIT!!!
http://www.unep.org/Documents.Multilingual/Default.asp?documentid=97&articleid=1503

 

. (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:54 am
Noted Thanks!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:04 am


PEOPLE... HAVE TO DEMAND THESE VILE CRIMES OF USA BUSINESSES CEASE!
CRIMES AGAINST ECO-SYSTEMS!
CRIMES AGAINST CITIZENS LIVES!
CRIMES AGAINST WORKERS SAFETY!
CRIMES AGAINST UNJUST WAGE ACTIVITY!
CRIMES THAT EXIST DUE TO CORRUPTION AND NOT ONE OTHER ELEMENT!
IT IS PAST TIME TO WAIT ON SOME "change" AND OVER DUE $$$ FINES IN A FITTING SENTENCING!
AND OFTEN THE CLOSURE OF THE VILE USA COMPANIES REFUSING INTEGRITY IN BUSINESS POLICY!
THE NATIONS... THE CITIZENS OF EVERY NATION of EARTH AND UNIVERSE
ARE OWED THIS RESPECT AND HIGH REGARD!!!

Our HEALTH!!!
THE HEALTH OF OUR GREAT EARTH!
THE FINE HEALTH TOO OF OUR UNIVERSE!
THE VERY HEALTH OF Our NATIONS OF CITIZENS LIVES!
THE QUALITY OF HEALTH TO Our ECO-SYSTEMS and LIVES THEREOF!!
OWED!!!

NOT OPTIONAL!!!
OWED!

Thank YOU AGAIN Just C!!!
YOUR DELIBERATE TIME DELIVERED TO ATTEMPT TO BRING AWARENESS TO us ALL IS WELCOMED!
AND YOUR ACTIVE WORK TO END THE TYRANNY OF VILE CONDUCT IS AN HONORABLE FORMULA!!!
AND TOO ALL OF YOU of CARE2... YES ALL OF YOU HERE OF INTEGRITY
and to those of YOU NOT YET JOINED TO CARE2 THOUGH ALSO OF INTEGRITY...
THANK YOU EACH ONE for WHAT WORK YOU COMMIT TO... TO GIVE us ALL GOOD WILL!!!
EQUALITY!!!
AND FINALLY A CIVILIZATION ACROSS THIS FINE EARTH LIVING IN ONLY RIGHT CONDUCT... TO HER!
TO EARTH!!!
AND TO EVERY CITIZEN!

THANK YOU
 

Louis Olivencia (42)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:09 am
god it's so awful!
It makes you cry with anger! just because some ruthless criminals because that is what they are

CRIMINALS, WANT TO GET RICH! THEY ALL NEED TO BE CLEANING OUT THE MESS WITH THERE OWN HANDS AND THE IN JAIL!
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:29 am
Update...

BP has the go-ahead to do the "top kill" operation on the well. There's a 60-75% chance that it will work.

I'm praying for the best because if this doesn't work, this spew will most likely go on through August.
 

Abo r. (102)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:30 am
Noted signed all petition recieved in the posts.
The video and the situation itself is moving all feelings and thoughts, its shaking and shocking.
WE humans must elect the suitable man who loves people and creatures who is not political, we must not believe of what they are saying its propoganda.
Leaders presedents what they did for the Global warming ... what they did to poor peple and countries ... more industrial technology , increase of Co2 air polution so on they are presidents.they just want war violation of human rights ... act as they want to please some groops and organizations to have the mony for propoganda and thier VOTES at least this what I believe and sure it is so.
OK where are those who took the peace priz? what are they doing? isnt this a peace and safety for all creatures and the earth?!
Cied and cried from the first moment and had a hope now I reached to a depression point things are complicated and still they want more drilling ?!
All believers from all religions and all spirituals must pray request and ask the creature to save the earth and all on it...
They say they are trying but what is the end will be???
All the responsibles for this disaster \ tragedy must be judged for crime, and violating human and creatures rights to live safe and in peace.
SAFETY AND PEACE FOR OUR EARTH AND OURSELVES AND ALL CREATURES.
 

AaishaAngel A. (1)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:18 pm
I fully agree with you Ben and YES
>>
"Mother Earth is crying;
-Won't someone help me please?
Can't You see I'm dying
from this dreadful disease!
-Ben (Bengt) Oscarsito "
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:33 pm
Ben - you hit all the points, my friend. Like you, I like to reuse things already in existence, or pass on items that can be put to good use. Recycling is a big part of my life, and being a "local tourist" on two feet or a kayak is my preference.

The idea that everything I do kills off the planet is a guilt preoccupation recurrent in my life. I think about it every day. When people ask me why I didn't buy a "brand new house," something for which a developer clearcut and scraped and then slapped down McMansions with sorry little saplings out front to supposedly make up for the entire forest that was decimated for their profit margin, I get very, very angry. I instead got a 40-year old house and it has many TREES on the land, and I planted more.

Today, I did what I said I would do earlier in this thread: Tell BP goodbye and good riddance.

First, I called up the BP account line and cancelled the account I've had since 1991. When the representative asked if there was a reason, I told her, "Why yes, two words: OIL SPILL." She apologized profusely for the company, but it's not her direct fault and I know that.

Next, I cut up the charge card, and taped the cut pieces on the bottom of the letter, and sent it out to BP. Here's what I said in the letter:

May 26, 2010

BP Houston
501 Westlake Park Boulevard
Houston, TX 77079

To Whom It May Concern:

I have closed my BP/Chase account as of today’s date due to the decisions BP has made, or failed to make, related to the oil spill disaster off the coast of Louisiana.

Enclosed is a token of my outrage over the deaths of the plants and animals (most especially the birds) injured and killed in the disaster, for the habitat that has been ruined, and for the people in those regions who will be directly and indirectly impacted by BP and BP contractor companies who are equally as responsible.

This was an avoidable disaster, and could have been mitigated by more direct and earnest action instead of wasting valuable time attempting to maintain a positive public image and underestimate damage (hint: it didn’t work).

I will do no further business with BP or its direct affiliates.

[my signature]

__________________

I doubt there will be a response as I'm merely one average Jane who is a nobody in their eyes because I'm just some small-time "consumer." I would be surprised if there was a response, but frankly I don't care as I don't want to see the paper wasted on canned replies. Nothing they can say in a letter can make up for their actions and the damage they caused.

It felt good to send them packing, even if it was but a small action in larger continuum of existence.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:35 pm

Ge ARACELI - Just a friendly reminder: BP stand for BRITISH PETROLEUM. It's NOT an American firm, they just have business rights to operate in the USA.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 1:37 pm

Abo Ahmed r. said: "WE humans must elect the suitable man who loves people and creatures who is not political..."

You're kidding, right? How about a suitable WOMAN for a change? Maybe SHE would do a better job and have better priorities!
 

Aletta Kraan (146)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 2:11 pm
Noted , disturbing situation .
 

Sara D. (14)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 2:37 pm
This is so sad.
 

Jani Zorz (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 2:45 pm
Horrible... this kind of events make ideas for movies like Avatar.
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:11 pm
Thanks for post Just Carole for pst, and everone for marvellous discussion. I would like to see this matter go to the UN.
 

Lynn Allen (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:24 pm
What's worse than Hurricane Katrina? British Petroleum! One an act of God; one a godless act!
 

Abo r. (102)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 4:47 pm
Hi Rooibos Bird: sorry I did not mean that and I am not kidding, Mankind includes both man and a woman either one and Of course a suitable woman capable one might do the change and might have better priorities,and I agree with you.without a woman man will not be existed she is integral part of the societies and about 50% of the people in the earth.
ALL love and respect to the mothers of the past, preasent and the future generation.
Thank you for the note and making me do the clarification.
We need a better world with peace and safety everywhere.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 6:10 pm
Good News...

BP said it appears that MUD, not oil, is gushing from the ruptured well after they started pushing mud down there. If all goes as planned, they will cement the well shut. This is still preliminary news, but hopeful that the technique they are using to plug the well is working.
 

D B. (35)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 7:07 pm
May G_d forgive us for destroying his helpless creatures. My heart breaks for the poor unsuspecting animals. They don't know what's happened, why they're getting sick and dying, why they don't have any more food or air to breath, why their fur, feathers are covered in sickening goo.........All because of selfish, greedy human run corporations. All they know is $$$$$$$$ and to hell with everything else.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 9:04 pm
I was born on the Gulf Coast in Corpus Christi. That's where the hospital was; we lived in a little dot of a place called Flour Bluff, just the other side of the bridge over to Padre Island. Some of the happiest times of my life were on Padre Island. Flour Bluff got the name because the sands were so white and fine it looked like flour. It was beautiful! I came back when I was 17 for time, and then again when I was 35. The differences were - sad. There was black tar all throughout the white sand, so very little was actually white anymore, and each time it was worse. As of 15 years ago you couldn't walk on the beach in shoes you want for anything else but walking on those beaches. There were big chunks of tar all over' some coral you could find washed up on the beach was black. Vehicles needed to be sealed against it because the tar from the oil platforms that dotted the horizon offshore held the salt from the ocean to the metal; it was the third most corrosive place in the US. I found trash washed up on the beach from the platforms, including a barrel wit a radioactive Danger sign on it, trash of all sorts including medical waste (my girlfriend almost stepped on a needle and syringe). We caught a truck rinsing it's tank of sewage in the ocean there as well, and a sand dollar bed that had been there was destroyed. A lot of them had been. Padre Island is being trashed by the oil rigs miles offshore. And this was when they were being regulated! Now, it's no wonder BP doesn't believe it owes anything. It also sees only the dollar loss in the oil spilled into the sea. The environmental loss is nothing to them because they never made any profit off the environment. We HAVE multiple alternate energy sources available; a great many patents are held -= and suppressed in the name of Big Oil and Coal - and people cannot use them. If it wasn't for the mandate by their owners, our government could easily run this country cleanly and well strictly on alternate energy sources.

Until the hold of the giant Multinational Corporations on our government is broken - and we will have to break those corporations and their super-wealthy owners to do that - we can expect more and more of this, and at best they'll try to dump the entire cost of damage control on the citizens of the US, as they are doing now. And until we all get angry together and WORK together, none of it will happen.

Ian
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:41 pm
even when the company received millions of dollars in profits per day for other federal contracts.
memory stick
 

(0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 10:42 pm
Since corporations are now considered people, they should be charged with murder!
 

Mary T. (186)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:28 pm
This video makes me cry, the greed of the oil companies have cause this mess they should be charge with murder of the eleven men who got killed and for all the animals that they are killing, they have destroyed the Gulf and it will never be the same, and they don't really know how to stop it, this never should have happened they did not use safely measures so they could cut cost, all they care about was getting the oil out and not caring about the damage that it would cause, now they are lost for words.STOP ALL OIL DRILLING IN THE OCEAN.
 

Anna S. (0)
Wednesday May 26, 2010, 11:34 pm
"What is wrong with the American people seeing these pictures and not marching on the streets in masses, millions demanding an end to oil, nuclear power, coal, etc. What is wrong with Americans letting Obama expand offshore oil drilling..which he is still doing despite this...remember no morality.
We should have ZERO tolerance for ANYTHING that affects the health and well being of the environment, animals and people...PERIOD! It is not rocket science folks. it is not complicated! Very simple. You tolerate environmental destruction you don't get the job."

Jill I'd green-star you if I could... U.S. citizens are SO complacent-- This latest catastrophe is grounds for a Revolution, but everyone's too busy driving their SUVs to StarBucks for a frapuccino.

Makes me glad I don't have kids-- this fagile earth is burning fast.
 

Sally Jay (62)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 12:02 am
SO SAD - so much destruction of environment, animals for what ???
 

Abo r. (102)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 12:27 am
Marion Y.Thanks for the good news you mentioned hope that BP annoince true correct news as I do not believe that much on commerial news and propoganda, anyhow even so if it is controlled the responsibles on such disaster must be judged for crim.
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 1:46 am
Do I believe a word of what BP (Bloody Plague) is saying?
-Take a wild guess!
http://www.truthout.org/after-long-argument-bp-official-made-fatal-decision-drilling-rig59875
 

Connor H. (1)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:17 am
not good... my hair from a hair cut went there though!
 

Connor H. (1)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:18 am
also, if you want to prevent this, sign the Declaration of Energy Independence (for Americans)

http://www.earthdayrevolution.com/
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:21 am
What kind of world do we want to live in—and what kind of world are we helping to create? What reflections and considerations are most relevant in helping to motivate Buddhists, and those respectful of Buddhist ideas, toward taking greater care of the environment? Should the emphasis be on avoiding harmful actions, and the bad karmic results that come from such actions, or on doing environmentally beneficial actions, perhaps seen as generating good karma? The behaviour of a reckless nature is specifically condemned.

Avoiding Unintended Harm to the Environment and the Buddhist Ethic of Intention - "correct Buddhist response to inevitable environmental flux" is a middle way of equanimity, avoiding support for existing polluting modes of production, and activist intervention to "re-establish untainted 'nature'".

There are . . . acts with damaging consequences that, when performed unintentionally, reveal carelessness and lack of circumspection in areas where a person may reasonably be held responsible. Many of the rules dealing with the proper care of communal property and one's basic requisites fall in this category . . . the minor rules that do carry such penalties may be regarded as useful lessons in mindfulness.
What of actions that inadvertently kill small living beings? Thus for the offense of making use of water containing living beings that will be killed by this, there is no offense when "not knowing that it contains living things" (Vin.IV.125). Nevertheless, lack of full knowledge does not completely excuses the Perpetrator (in this case BP and their consorts)in regard to killing living beings.
 

Marty H. (119)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:50 am
Thank you and passed on! What a horrible preventable disaster!
 

Ben Oscarsito (338)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 4:23 am
"The Earth woke up one day, saying:
-Save me now, save me now, come on and save me now...."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVKxrgTDbs8
 

Annie J. (205)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 6:42 am
that watery taste in your mouth when you're just sick...I cannot believe we have come to this, we really need to pull the oil syringe from our vains
 

Nadia Donato (476)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 7:12 am
We could all be driving electric cars by now if GM, Standard oil and corrupt politicians hadn't killed that idea years ago. It's really naive to think our braniacs can't find replacements for EVERYTHING we make out of petroleum now. My heart breaks and feel helpless watching such destruction to our planet and the innocent lives we share this world with.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 7:51 am
Abo...I hope the news is true too. BP is downplaying this and really did not want to publicize it yet. A news reporter heard this and reported it. BP said they won't really know anything until later today. I'm hoping the oil has stopped.

Ian...That's a sad story and thanks for sharing. I grew up at Venice Beach, CA and have a similar story. As a child, I frequently came home with that tarry oil stuck to my feet that took forever to get off. We often had schools of dead fish washed ashore, but the officials told us not to worry. During those years, Eisenhower, Kennedy and Johnson were president. Why would we have lax oversight of corporations at that time? I'm led to think corporations have been running their criminal organizations for many decades. I agree...they must be stopped.

PETITION: Fight corporate power

Nadia...Yes, we could be driving electric cars or even hemp driven cars. There are several alternative solutions, but the oil corporations stopped all that over 80 years ago. As long as the corporations continue to monopolize industries and growth, and operate as criminals, America will be crippled. Let's say we go with electric cars. That industry will find a way to look out for their bottom line and ignore the needs of the people and environment. Corporations are not people and have no vested interest in our well-being. We need to change that.

PETITION: Fight corporate power
 

Nadia Donato (476)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 8:02 am
Btw Carole, Thanks... I signed and shared both video and petition on Facebook.
 

(0)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 9:07 am
"Why do people have to drive a car that needs oil????"

Very valid question. We should all be asking why, in this day and age, where a man was put on the moon over forty years ago, we have technology to communicate with everyone all over the world instanteously, we have the ability to destroy the world a thousand times over, but haven't yet created a fully environmentally friendly, commercially available vehicle at an affordable price.

Since we have already discovered the majority of existent oil and are burning through it like drunken sailors, what are we going to do once we have completely depleted it? Rather than investing every available resource into research for environmentally, renewable fuel sources, we instead go into war with oil bearing countries. I have come to the forgone conclusion, civilization is doomed.

Obviously, BP a completely irresponsible, greedy, negligent corporation, should not only be fined, but their corporation should be dismantled and any monies derived from selling off its equipment should go to clean up, research and restitution.
 

Rooibos Bird (237)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 11:51 am
"Why do people have to drive a car that needs oil????"

I'm reading a book called "The Design of Everyday Things by Donald Norman (pyschologist) wherein he discusses why the "tools" and "things" we use in every day life are so often poorly designed, inefficient, and frustrating.

Oil use is 100-year old technology, intent on keeping better alternatives quashed because it was profitable, and for no other reasons. It's certainly not reasonable do destroy your own home by pollution and oil drilling, nor is a vehicle well-designed as it spews CO2 into the air, choking the inhabitants. In other words, it's poorly designed, but people aren't complaining about it nor demanding alternatives nor bothering to change their own lifestyles and patterns (most humans aren't that innovative, reflective, or far-sighted).

And so, we're stuck with garbage because it's profitable for a few. Horrible design, devestating consequences.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 12:11 pm
I know others have pointed this out, but I'd like to add my two cents: BP is NOT a "U.S. Corporation"! Most of these aren't U.S. They're registered here, as they are in other countries they operate in, but really, they have no geographical center. For some giant corporations you might find nothing but a PO box in some village on a tiny tropical island somewhere where their "corporate HQ" are listed on their paperwork. They have no country. They go where the profit is, their boards meet all over the world. Since the Bush administration deregulation, they've all flocked here for low or zero taxes, gifts in permissions to harvest the Commons at no cot to them and no profit to the US, decided on unilaterally by the administration (and illegally), but the U.S. loses money on ALL of it! It doesn't go into the tax base, it goes straight to the corporations and out of the country. Deregulation started a huge feeding frenzy among multinationals. "Any interference with business is a BAD THING" would be the NeoCon motto, or one of them. And every damned one was nothing but a drain on our resources; any costs involved were dumped on the working citizens, and money made was instantly shipped out of the country except for bribes to individuals. The way it's been set up, jobs, profits, everything gets shipped overseas while the bills are the only things that stay here.

Some of these giant corporations are owned at least in part by people with American nationalities listed, but those are "elites" who, again, own no country as their own. They have homes all over the world, and zero national loyalty. They go wherever the costs of doing business are cheapest, which is generally where they can buy the government, but the regular citizenry never sees any benefit. In fact, corporations are usually allowed to rape the land in scorched-earth harvesting of resources and unchecked pollution in processing, often poisoning everything around their plants. As long as they pay the right officials enough, the cost is a fraction of what harvesting and processing responsibly would cost - as long as you don't count the cost of sicknesses and lives lost amongst ordinary people - and they don't!

If countries got together and helped each other with the priorities being a decent standard of living among the citizens, caretaking the environment, clean energy used wherever possible, things like that, there's be no market for these filthy and destructive technologies! There was a character in Germany awhile back who built a car that runs on water. He was arrested, held on no particular charges and finally was allowed to drive it as long as he showed the technology to NO ONE. There's another technology called "vacuum energy" or "zero point energy" that pulls energy from the nature of spacetime as I understand it. It isn't really energy from nowhere; it's energy from the potential of the plenum, and you have to sort of kickstart it, but after that, you end up with an "overunity" device that outputs more energy than it takes to run it. You can pretty much pull whatever power levels it takes to run your device, and you're not burning anything, not having to heat water to make steam to run turbines, nothing - just pure power. Much of this technology originated with Nikola Tesla, and the patents are held by the U.S. government. Engineers and scientists who've found ways around those tend to have heart attacks or unfortunate accidents when they're right on the verge of gaining funding for production. There are also alternative sources like wind, tidal, geothermal - all sorts of possibilities, and we could use all of them depending on the particular need. Except there are laws in place that make it illegal, or so over-regulated that it isn't cost effective. THAT'S something else that needs to be addressed. Government is for sale everywhere, and the oil and coal companies want to keep us dependent for power on their outmoded, filthy technologies until it's all gone. The trouble being that we may be all gone by then ourselves.

Ian
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 12:27 pm
I'm glad you mentioned that BP is NOT a US corporation and could care less about this nation's interests, Ian. I don't think I've seen this issue addressed anywhere about multinational corporations operating as they do in our country. I thought US corporations were hurting us, but this is a different monster altogether. I agree that something needs to be done about this...and right away.

Obama's remarks about the spill
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/remarks-president-oil-spill


 

Gregory Hilbert (422)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 1:28 pm
Just wanted to add that Transocean, the drilling rig subcontractor to BP and most Gulf drillers, was a USA company until it moved headquarters to Switzerland so as to get corporate tax rates about half what they are in the USA. They have a skeleton office crew in Switzerland, but most Transocean employees are in the USA. Just another fraud on USA taxpayers that our own govt has been complicit with, and another example of the general rule Ian describes in his comment above. The wealthy beneficiaries of these international corporations have no loyalty except to their own greed -- whether Big Banks or Big Oil or Big Pharma or Chemicals -- and it enrages and sickens me that most Americans don't get it. I can understand the millions employed by them who would lose their jobs speaking out, but I can't understand the vastly greater number of millions who are not employed by them but are being used and abused by them. With trust in government and politicians as low as it is, why do so few realize that the majority of elected representatives are giving greater service to the interests of these wealthy corporate few than to their own? What explains this? What does it take to get people to see it?
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:28 pm
Ian...Thank you for listing those alternative energy ideas and the background on how they are kept from us. Forgot to mention this earlier, but feel the second part of your post is important and should be highlighted.

Gregory...Thanks for telling about Transocean and these offshore businesses. Scandalous! Also, many thanks for your great website on helping the planet in various ways. Here's a repost of your petitions for this BP disaster. I hope everyone signs.

PETITIONS: GULF OIL DISASTER ACTION CENTRAL
http://sen4earth.org/articles/2010/05/05/gulf-oil-disaster-action-central/
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 2:44 pm
This disaster was an abomination waiting to happen. To strip BP of their rights, which would cause loss of mega dollars in future, is justified, but won't undo the horrific damage that has been done and continues to propagate.
It would be interesting to know exactly how many have their finger in the pie.
The powers that be are fueled by greed, and I'm sure it's an intricate web of money hungry, dollar addicts that couldn't care less about the future of our planet....because they think they can "take it with them". Their failed attempts at several quick fixes have effectively penetrated their conscientious facade to allow their duplicity to show it's ugly self.
All assets held by anyone involved with this company should be seized and used in aid of relief of this unacceptable tragedy.
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 3:31 pm
Here's a good article that was in USA TODAY, written by the president of Ocean Conservancy, Vicky Spruill:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-05-24-column24_ST1_N.htm?loc=interstitialskip
 

(0)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 3:33 pm
Nice to FINALLY see some urgency to this in the news!
Apparently they are NOT going to use hair/fur for booms.
Atlantic Free Press has an article about BP, that it is TBE (Too Big to Exist).
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 3:48 pm
I was just sent another petition from the National Wildlife Federation you can find at:
https://online.nwf.org/site/Advocacy?pagename=homepage&page=UserAction&id=1255

Here's a copy of what I added their own petition:

I urge you to pass legislation that lifts the oil liability cap and the cap on punitive damages. When Wall Street in greed and carelessness all but destroyed the economy, not only were they not penalized, We the People were REQUIRED - we were given no choice! - to pay them for it! They paid nothing, and in fact made record profits as we were robbed of homes, hard-earned savings and jobs! American workers can NOT continue to pay greedy and conscienceless corporations for their depredations. And now, this piece of carelessness may turn out to be a major Extinction Event in the world, and at least in the Northwestern hemisphere, it WILL BE! They MUST not be allowed to just walk away, OR to be given the money they lose by the Fed at the expense of ordinary Americans! In the past decade we have been riven of homes, jobs, dignity, elections, savings, civil and even human rights, quality of life, medical care - all to benefit the giant multinational corporations. In that time they have been nothing but a drain on the American economy and on Americans, as every dollar they make here is immediately shipped out and away. An economy cannot be one-way - there must be a balance!

Americans have not been completely cozened. We know that there are perfectly usable clean energy technologies available. We are simply being held, essentially, at a comparative horse-and-buggy level technology in order that the industries that thrive on outmoded technologies may continue to profit. Because of that protectionism, they have grown arrogant and destructive. Government is the ONLY entity that has the power to stop their depredations before they destroy this country, and perhaps much, much more than that as well! The U.S. government, however, has been routinely throwing U.S. citizens under the bus lately, and now they add to that a casual destruction of gigantic swaths of the ecosphere that keeps us ALL alive, and STILL they feel they are not to be held accountable.

Sir, they MUST BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE!

Oil companies and other corporations must be held accountable for doing their fair share to reduce pollution and to create a path that takes us truly beyond petroleum.

Legislation that lifts the oil liability cap and the cap on punitive damages will help ensure that Big Oil polluters like BP are held accountable to paying the full cost that their negligence has on our communities and our natural world. Fish and wildlife, and the many communities and jobs dependent on them, hang in the balance.

By raising the outdated $75 million oil liability cap--less than one day's profit for BP--you will spare American taxpayers from the burden of bailing out Big Oil polluters for their recklessness.

It's time for a new energy platform for America. That's why in addition to passing legislation that holds polluters accountable to their actions, we must also act swiftly to pass comprehensive clean energy and climate legislation that provides America with clean and safer energy choices. Oil will never go completely out of use, but it's high time it took its rightful place as a lubricant and a base material in some manufacturing processes. In a large technological civilization like this one which is really only now coming into full flower, using oil as fuel is simply suicidal. How many accidents like this in, say, a single year do you suppose the earth, the ecology, could stand? The current paradigm MUST change, and there could be no better place to begin than with this utterly careless piece of catastrophic destruction that clearly the companies involved are actually casual about!

The top six feet of our oceans contain the phytoplankton layer. This is the basis, the foundation layer for the food chain of the sea, especially near the organics-rich coastal areas, and it produces 80% or more of the oxygen of the atmosphere we all breathe. Corporations, however, see only the profit/loss statement, so that as long as the fiscal price of such carelessness carries comparatively little cost, they will continue to consider part of the cost of doing business and will change nothing.

I urge you in the strongest possible terms to act NOW, for America and Americans, and for the world!

Sincerely,

Ian MacLeod
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 4:16 pm

I am so very pleased with the response here. But, this is just the beginning.

While this horror (which is still far from over) is still fresh in the public's eyes, and before this becomes "yesterday's news," we must press on with everything we have to educate the people and inundate the government with our demands that we STOP (not suspend) ALL OFFSHORE DRILLING!

I'm proud to be associated with this group.
 

Judith C. (110)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 5:22 pm
noted., Thank you
 

Marion Y. (322)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 5:33 pm
"The ocean has inspired millions, but our understanding of it is as shallow and shrouded as ever. Only the most intrepid divers descend below 150 feet or so. By 330 feet, sunlight fades. From there down, past the gushing BP well at 5,000 feet, the ocean is cast in darkness, but life exists to the very bottom.
Many people think the ocean is unknowable — out-of-sight is out-of-mind. Communicating against such complacency is the greatest challenge of ocean conservation. As BP Deepwater Horizon shows, in images as grotesque as Cousteau's were gorgeous, we cannot let the ocean's mystery lull us into inaction."

Thanks for the article, Kenneth. Man must learn to respect things he doesn't see or understand. We must teach our children this and learn it well ourselves or we are doomed.

::

Ian...I have signed this petition, posted to Facebook and Twitter, and shared with others. Thank you. I'm re-posting the link:

PETITION: NWF - Hold Big Oil Accountable to Pay Full Cost
http://bit.ly/avE9rs

Multinationals have a stranglehold on Congress. They cash-whip Congress into letting them do as they please. Obama has his hands tied in many respects. This is deja vu all over again with Wall Street and the damaging effects of deregulation. We must eliminate the culture of corruption. (Obama mentioned this in today's news conference about the MMS).

Until we have clean elections and public financing, the multinationals will remain in control of Congress. We desperately need campaign finance reform!.
 

Yanula P. (50)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 5:47 pm
Requiem for the Golf an appropriate title.Insanity unleashed on mother earth.I signed every petition took every action I can find passed it to everyone I know with overwhelmed heart,grief,pain and tears.
What have we done???
 

Ng J. (4)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 7:02 pm
Thanks for sharing!
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 8:38 pm
"Deepwater Horizon crewman Stephen Davis told The Guardian he had been watching television in bed for 15 minutes before the first explosion hurled him 5 metres into a wall. Struggling to the deck, “It was like we walked straight into hell,” Davis said. Screaming men were sliding through the mud, panicked at the fireballs erupting behind him.

“They would look at you and just jump into the water”, a distance 18 meters below, Davis said. Davis made it to a lifeboat and eventually to a nearby supply vessel, but survivors would be held in isolation for 40 hours before they were allowed off their ship, reports The Guardian. For that period, crewmen were denied access to the onboard satellite phones or radio to call their families. Some were furious, others just numb.

Lawyers for the survivors say the crew was told they had to sign statements denying they were hurt or had witnessed the explosion before they were allowed to go onshore. Davis had been awake for 50 hours at that point. He signed. Most men did. That was only the first lesson of containment.

Desperate local fishermen lined up immediately to help BP erect ocean barriers, knowing their home waters would soon be turning to ink. There was only one small catch; they had to sign BP’s forms. What a pyrrhic choice. Either sit in dry dock and watch helplessly as your livelihood sinks into black poison for years, or sign away your rights and go help."

t. barnett

... appalling
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 8:50 pm
I've always held that a promise taken under duress was null and void. My word IS sacred to me, and I don't lie (save a few social lubricant-types lie, i.e. "What a pretty baby" instead of "Did you buy that monkey off an organ grinder, lady?"). Or I'd have signed Mickey Mouse or something. BP needs to be taken down, period - no longer allowed to drill in ANYTHING the U.S. owns, and no longer licensed to do business here - after we nationalize all of their assets we can grab!

Ian
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Thursday May 27, 2010, 10:03 pm
for a glimpse at some of the heartache ... and also the smoke billowing from the explosion:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37387854#37387854
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday May 28, 2010, 6:56 am
 
From Firedoglake:
 
I'm in Louisiana meeting with families affected by the oil spill in the Gulf, and I wanted to send you a quick and important note about the crisis.
 
BP wants you to foot the bill for their oil disaster. If we don't act quickly, BP will only have to pay the first $75 million in cleanup and damages. I can't imagine some of the people whom I've met paying to clean up the very same oil that cost them everything.
 
The Senate is considering doing away with the liability cap for companies like BP whose irresponsibility destroys American livelihoods. This will ensure BP is held accountable for any and all damages that result from this tragedy.
 
Join us in signing our petition to the Senate, demanding they eliminate the liability cap and make BP pay every penny.
 
Tell the Senate you don't want your tax dollars bailing out BP. Sign our petition to the Senate to eliminate the liability cap for big oil companies.
 
http://action.firedoglake.com/page/s/nobpcap?source=semail52710
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday May 28, 2010, 9:10 am
 
Another significant contribution from Greg Palast (one of my favorite investigative journalists):
 
Smart Pig:  BP's OTHER Spill this Week
 
"With the Gulf Coast dying of oil poisoning, there's no space in the press for British Petroleum's latest spill, just this week: over 100,000 gallons, at its Alaska pipeline operation.  A hundred thousand used to be a lot.  Still is.
 
On Tuesday, Pump Station 9, at Delta Junction on the 800-mile pipeline, busted.  Thousands of barrels began spewing an explosive cocktail of hydrocarbons after "procedures weren't properly implemented" by BP operators, say state inspectors. "Procedures weren't properly implemented" is, it seems, BP's company motto.
 
Few Americans know that BP owns the controlling stake in the trans-Alaska pipeline; but, unlike with the Deepwater Horizon, BP keeps its Limey name off the Big Pipe."
 
(See article for remainder)
 
 

Betsy Bee (1061)
Friday May 28, 2010, 10:08 am
You can not give Just Carol a green star because you already have this week. I am crying. So much needless death. The sea turtle corpses broke my heart.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Friday May 28, 2010, 11:17 am
It's so disheartening to hear of yet ANOTHER "spill." The negligence and incompetence is criminal. We need to just shut down all drilling operations in the ocean.

Just saw this shocking comment from a blogger at Huffington Post. God I hope it's not true...

"BP MAY BE PATCHING THE WRONG LEAK.
Matt Simmons, head of one of the pre-eminent oil project management companies in the world (he was on Cheney's energy task force before turning 'rogue') appeared on Dylan Ratigan to say that the oil leak in BP's online webcam isn't big enough to be causing the plumes of oil and in any case isn't of the thick gooey consistency of the stuff hitting the beaches. His guess is that there's another, far larger leak five to six miles away. His fear is that the casings were blown out of some of the casings at other locations--there were no o-rings along the concrete casings.

If Simmons is right, it will take months or even years to close this leak."

Another blogger responded by saying...

"Yes, there's at least one other leak. Just from what I had seen on the live feed prior to "top kill", there was a separate leak (gusher) in the video of what looked like a broken pipe sticking out of the ground. That wasn't the multi-leak thing we are seeing now with the four spouts, this pipe thing was one big gusher out of the pipe. Why aren't they back to showing that? Maybe there's even another one."

::

This gives new meaning to the word 'cover-up,' if it's true. But worse, this would mean it's an international disaster.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday May 28, 2010, 11:20 am

I agree, Marion . . . it HAS to stop (and we need to mandate that alternatives be explored, promoted and rewarded)!

Another disaster is inevitable. This is the ONLY earth we have.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday May 28, 2010, 11:27 am

Ya know? I just re-read my last statement. Now, to me, that is a given -- obvious -- factual!

However, I'm starting to wonder if we've become such an irresponsible society, spoiled by disposable, purposely-designed obsolescence, that we have a huge number of consumers, so brainwashed by non-stop media subliminal advertising THAT THEY DON'T REALIZE THAT!

 

Just Carole (338)
Friday May 28, 2010, 12:18 pm
 
The case of the censored scientist(Leading Louisiana wetlands scientist fired for speaking the truth.)
 
The US can't be destroyed, or even seriously injured, by an external enemy.
 
But it can be - and is - being destroyed from within by its so-called "elites."
 
We're all well aware of corruption in government, investment banks, corporations, the news media and other obvious white collar criminals.
 
What is less obvious, but every bit as threatening, is the censorship of science by state and corporation funded academic institutions.
 
The hero...hanged
 
Did you know that after the collapse of the US Army Corps of Engineers levees following Hurricane Katrina, LSU (Louisiana State University) fired one of the nation's leading wetland scientists and disbanded its Hurricane Studies Center?
 
Yes, they really did that. They fired the man who warned about the coming disaster, prepared for it, and in the process helped save countless thousands of lives.
 
Now, thanks to the most recent oil industry-created catastrophe, Professor Van Heerden's detailed knowledge of Louisiana's wetlands is needed more than ever.
 
So where is he?
 
In court.
 
Trying to protect his career and reputation from a band of government-funded thugs in academic gowns who used threats, intimidation, media smear campaigns, and - according to evidence presented in court - an e-mail documented plot to poison him.
 
Why are they doing this?
 
Simple: Van Heerden's telling the truth threatens their lucrative scams.
 
More here: Defend the practice of science in the US
 

Cam V. (417)
Friday May 28, 2010, 12:56 pm
I posted that video in my group a few days ago. It is a profound statement of what will happen again if steps are not taken to make sure it does not. What is surprising to me is all the cry outs regarding this because it is off the American shores. Our oil companies (Shell here in Canada is the worst) have been raping the resources of third world countries for too long now. Leaving devastation where they drill and paying pennies on the dollar to the poor people they take from. No one ever says anything about that so it makes me wonder if it is a case of 'not in my backyard'.

What was not said about that spill in Alaska is that it was contained immediately because of safety measures put in place before it happened. According to Alaska law. It was stopped immediately. We do have the know how in North America how to deal with these things.

We have oil rigs here off our shores in Canada but have the highest standards in the world for emergency expectations. Not in our back yard? BRING IT ON! The only way to stop these oil barons from raping us is to make them come home and pay the piper. You folks need to start harping at your EPA. When there are fines being levied and not paid by companies for safety infractions those companies need to be SHUT DOWN.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Friday May 28, 2010, 1:03 pm
"BP needs to be taken down, period - no longer allowed to drill in ANYTHING the U.S. owns, and no longer licensed to do business here - after we nationalize all of their assets we can grab! "

Well said, Ian!
 

Marion Y. (322)
Friday May 28, 2010, 1:10 pm
"Davis made it to a lifeboat and eventually to a nearby supply vessel, but survivors would be held in isolation for 40 hours before they were allowed off their ship, reports The Guardian. For that period, crewmen were denied access to the onboard satellite phones or radio to call their families. Some were furious, others just numb. Lawyers for the survivors say the crew was told they had to sign statements denying they were hurt or had witnessed the explosion before they were allowed to go onshore. Davis had been awake for 50 hours at that point. He signed. Most men did. That was only the first lesson of containment."

Criminals!! Nothing more than corrupt criminals of the worst order. The survivors should have signed someone else's name to those statements in a nondescript scrawl and spilled their guts when they got home. Those statements should be thrown out of court as illegal. Unbelievable!! Thanks, Koo.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Friday May 28, 2010, 1:11 pm
That's another leftover from Bush that we need to undo: he deregulated everything possible. For these corporations that's an invitation to be careless because there will be no penalty, or a token one that can easily become part of the cost of doing business. Although that kind of thing started back they began setting firm amounts for reparations representing things like "Fear of death," "Suffering from death by fire" and so on - as though you could set a price for such things! And Ford found it cheaper to pay the out-of-court compensation amounts than to add a $1 plastic shield that would have corrected the problem.

Ian
 

Christina Bolan (19)
Friday May 28, 2010, 3:11 pm
when will we remember that the Earth does not belong to us, we belong to the Earth...
 

Peter S. (5)
Friday May 28, 2010, 3:29 pm
Ben Rich of Lockheed Skunkworks (the ultimate insider) upon retiring addressed a class of graduating engineers thus,"the USA has the technology to send ET home.........it is so locked up in Black Projects it would take an act of god to release it to the American people" Well Obama God has spoken in the Gulf,lets declassify all these alternate energy discoveries and end this "evil" dependancy on oil!!!!
 

Julie P. (17)
Friday May 28, 2010, 4:21 pm
So Tragic! I must fix my bike!
 

Cathi Hartline (248)
Friday May 28, 2010, 5:40 pm
Thank you Just "C" for all you do! Thank you Virginia for the link!
Blessings,
 

Maureen Rice (1)
Friday May 28, 2010, 7:22 pm
When will the madness end...and at what cost. No more offshore drilling!!
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Friday May 28, 2010, 8:28 pm
ANOTHER SPILL??

A really huge oil leak is the prefect smokescreen for another leak elsewhere.

I think my heart is going to break in two.
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Friday May 28, 2010, 8:45 pm
While a well was being drilled at the Deepwater site, apparently seawater was used instead of "drilling fluid" or "mud", which allowed methane gas to escape and cause the explosion. Apparently after that, it was chaos on the rig. I'm trying to re-find an article I saw about it. Here's a bit of info anyway:


http://blogs.hbr.org/watkins/2010/05/the_gulf_oil_spill_a_classic_f.html
 

No Way (25)
Friday May 28, 2010, 9:14 pm
WE are responsible TOO, for not doing enough over the years to stop our addiction to oil . . . We Are The People and This Incident Better Wake Us Up!
 

Anne H. (12)
Friday May 28, 2010, 11:02 pm
Damn them!! Not only do they deserve to lose every bit of their money, they should be made to swim laps in the mess they made. For hours!! Thank you for the moving video and for opening my eyes even more. Noted and signed both petitions weeks ago.
 

Emily P. (11)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 12:04 am
It is more than an outrage what has happened...it is an atrocity. The CEO's of BP and other bigwigs that are responsible for taking shortcuts that led to this catastrophe need to have their bodies dunked in the junk that is spewing out from the leak, and not given the opportunity to clean it off themselves for days, particularly after their wrong and heavy handed approach to the poor workers not allowing them to get treatment and forcing them to sign nondisclosure agreements. This whole thing just sickens me. I wonder what my grandkids will think when they realize that we had a beautiful planet and pissed it all away, in the name of technology and progress.
 

sherrie e. (147)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 11:08 am
No words for the way I feel.... (tears) (nausea).....
 

Pauline P. (46)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 11:38 am
I don't know what is wrong with this world, but I do know one thing,that we as concerned citizens cannot just stand around and let nothing be done about this. When are they going to realize that they are killing our world.
 

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 1:36 pm
my NYT comment #333 re BP: http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/05/28/us/28spill.html?permid=333#comment333

Also BP and Obama Cover-ups and Corporate Spies - my NYT comment No. 100: http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/opinion/29herbert.html?permid=100#comment100

Written more commentary and articles but will restrain myself from posting more here - no words to express how bad the whole thing is.
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 2:08 pm
Critics have called the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion “Obama’s Katrina,” and argued that the disaster could signal the decline of Obama’s presidency. Their evidence? The president is visiting the affected areas for just a second time*— 38 days after the Deepwater burst into flames. Below you’ll find a parallel of timeline juxtaposing the tragedy in the gulf and the president’s golf games.

April 22: The Deepwater Horizon drilling platform, which had been burning for two days, sinks into the gulf. President Obama, after speaking in New York about the significance of financial regulatory legislation, hosts an Earth Day celebration in the Rose Garden.

April 23: The U.S. Coastguard pronounces 11 Deepwater workers dead after traveling almost 2,000 miles throughout the gulf in search of their bodies. The president and First Lady Michelle Obama travel to North Carolina for a brief vacation, where they enjoy BBQ.

April 24: Coast Guard Rear Admiral Mary Landry announces that the Deepwater wellhead is spewing crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico. The president and first lady continue to enjoy their vacation in North Carolina.

April 26: A remote sub fails to stop the leak. Just four days after the explosion, the spill covers an area the size of Rhode Island. After hosting a ceremony for the New York Yankees, Obama travels to Andrews Air Force Base for a game of golf.

April 28: The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) pegs the leak rate at 5,000 barrels a day — up from BP’s claim of 1,000 barrels a day. Obama leaves Iowa and spends the day in Illinois, where he speaks to the owner of a family farm. He then visits a biofuel plant where he picks up mechanical parts and pretends to be interested in them.

April 29: Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal declares a state of emergency, as the spill “now covers a 600-square-mile area” and “is about 16 miles off the state’s coast.” Obama delivers remarks in Washington on the importance of cybersecurity. Later in the day, he attends a FEMA meeting about hurricane preparedness.

May 1: The U.S. military lends BP two C-130 aircraft to release potentially dangerous chemical dispersants over the oil spill. Obama tells jokes at the White House Correspondents Association Dinner, including one about killing the Jonas Brothers using CIA drones.

May 2: Obama makes a quick trip to Louisiana to ”get a firsthand view of the recovery efforts.”

May 3: Alabama Attorney General Troy King demands that BP stop asking fisherman to sign complicated agreements that would severely limit the amount BP would be forced to compensate them for the loss of their livelihood. Obama hosts dinner for the Business Council, “a group of current or former chief executive officers from a broad range of companies.”

May 8: BP’s containment dome, thought by many to be one of the environmentally safest solutions, fills with ice and fails to stop the leak. Obama plays golf at Arkansas’s Fort Belvoir.

May 9: The first tar balls wash up on Dauphin Island off the coast of Alabama. Obama delivers the commencement address at Virginia’s Hampton University.

May 12: Under pressure from journalists and government agencies, British Petroleum releases a short video of the wellhead, located one mile beneath the gulf surface. Using independent analysts, NPR determines from the video that at 50,000 barrels a day, the leak rate is 10 times higher than NOAA’s estimate and 50 times higher than BP’s early claim. Obama spends the morning with Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai. After lunch, Obama retires to the Oval Office with his advisers.

May 17: While BP attempts to siphon oil into a special tube, scientists warn that the oil is headed for the Gulf Stream, which would carry it around the southern tip of Florida and into the Atlantic Ocean. Obama hosts the University of Connecticut’s women’s basketball team.

May 18: Tar balls wash up on the shores of Key West, Fla. Obama tours a factory in Ohio. Later in the day, he meets with Jewish members of the Democratic Caucuses.

May 21: ABC News reports that in the course of one month, enough oil has spilled to “fill enough gallon milk jugs to stretch more than 11,300 miles. That’s more than the distance from New York to Buenos Aires, Argentina, and back.” Obama hosts the Pittsburgh Steelers at the White House. Also signs a presidential memorandum “outlining the next steps in his vision for cleaner, more efficient vehicles.”

May 22: Wildlife officials in Louisiana tell the Associated Press that they are considering setting the state’s fragile marshes on fire in an effort to staunch the contaminating effects of the oil. White House officials announce that they are beginning a multi-year renovation project for the north side of the White House. Obama delivers the commencement address at the Military Academy at West Point.

May 26: BP announced yet another plan for stopping the spill, a maneuver called “Top Kill” that involves pumping mud into the Deepwater wellhead in order to clog it. This same day, officials begin pulling fisherman off the gulf due to toxic oil fumes. Obama hosts the U.S. World Cup soccer team and the Duke men’s basketball team.

May 28: Obama makes only his second visit to a grief-stricken Louisiana before heading on vacation

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/05/28/what-obama-has-been-doing-while-t...

Your "Pretender In Chief' ... Hopeless and Changeless
 

Diane V McLoughlin (37)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 2:54 pm
Media, politicos and local representatives tried to send a message on-air prior to his visit Friday that they hoped that Obama would take an independent tour of the increasingly oil-soaked and dieing Louisiana wetlands instead of leaving it to BP to portray a false picture of diligent clean-up.

Instead, embarrassing to the point of excruciating, Obama stayed on the photo-op beach. Hundreds of clean-up workers were trucked in for the the day who, apparently, had strict orders not to answer questions about who they were or where they came from.

Obama only referred to beaches in his beach speech, never mentioning the vital environmental and economic importance of the millions of acres of wetlands and the role they play in sustaining the entire Gulf of Mexico. That he didn't, hints at precisely how much time he has devoted to understanding the area and the full implications of the oil's malevolent threat.

When CNN's Anderson Cooper, Parish President Billy Nungesser and others went into the marshlands with television cameras so that we could see for ourselves how bad it is, Nungesser told Cooper that the helicopters circling overhead was probably BP spying on them. Cooper kinda laughed it off. But mea culpa, Cooper discovered pics of them taken from those helicopters tacked to a wall at BP's command center. Ha ha.

The evening before, to illustrate just how alarmed and focused on this national emergency he appears to be, the President attended a reception celebrating Jewish American Heritage Month when it is now forty days and counting in what is the biggest environmental catastrophe in U.S. history.

From the very earliest days I and others have wondered why the gusher couldn't be bombed to collapse the ground down to shut this oil off. Russia has apparently used nukes a few times to do just that. I would like to know why conventional explosives, working in harmony with the extreme pressures existent a mile below the water's surface wouldn't do the trick.

Because from here to mid-August or later if the top-kill/junk-shot efforts fail - that is the projected time it will take to stop the oil spill, we are told. Largest environmental disaster in America's history - times four. We cannot afford to wait additional months while BP tries to drill a sideways well to connect to and redirect the oil.

Two more things: Along with reforming the rules on political donations, the government must end the revolving employment doors between government and private industry. The government is literally stuffed to bursting top to bottom with industry moles seeing to it that they are not burdened with rules to ensure safety, environmental protection or any other public interest concern.

writer, mcloughlinpost.com
http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/05/29/opinion/29herbert.html?permid=100#comment100
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 4:21 pm
He must have misread GULF on his agenda!
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 4:57 pm
Here are two more articles - it isn't "just" another Exxon Valdez. It's one Valdez every two to four days. The toxins that are constituents of the Valdez spill will take over a century to finally be destroyed by nature, and meanwhile, the toxins in the dispersant they're using, Corexit, are 20 times as toxic as the next-nearest dispersant. They're turning the Gulf into a dead zone and forcing the oil down to around three thousand feet, not cleaning it up. BP has already committed several crimes against humanity and the environment, and this stupidity and carelessness is unforgivable. According to one article, "of the one hundred largest economic units in the world, today, 49 are governments, while 51 are corporations. Those corporations are the driving force on earth, and an open secret is these corporations are owned by the International Monetary/Banking Cartel, who also controls the governments of the world." The corporate media are also owned and controlled by the same Cartel. And that must also mean that they are part of the upper echelon of the "elite" owned banking cartel that control the major governments of the world. Including ours and Obama.

http://beforeitsnews.com/news/48/422/Corexit:_Dispersant_Or_Destroyer.html

Despite the noises he makes about "forcing BP" to clean up, BP is DESTROYING the Gulf, and thereby doing the same to much of Mexico's industry (they're not doing ours any good either). ALL of this is just different parts of the same economic organism scratching itself, but it's so damned big we don't realize it's all part of the same thing. Here;s another article: "Corexit: Dispersant Or Destroyer?" There's no question in my mind. This will go a long way toward fulfilling the depopulation program, between direct poisoning of people, the desertification of the Gulf of Mexico, destruction of the food chain as well as the "wetlands wall" that protects the Southern states of America against hurricanes making landfall ON TOP of the destruction of the economies of those states. And STILL Obama is allowing BP to choose the methods of stopping the leak and of cleaning up the mess. I saw a suggested method from a couple of good 'ole boys on YouTube three weeks ago for cleanup: it turns out that hay gathers and holds oil so well you can pour oil into water, drop hay in it and give it time to stir around, take the hay out of the water, and the water is then CLEAR. No one official has bothered to acknowledge it. The hay, even if it's not gather at sea, piles p on the shore where it's easily picked up. No toxic cleanup whatsoever.

But then no one could make billions of dollars off of hay.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/03/valdezlegacy/

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2010/05/gulf-dispersants/

Ian
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 5:06 pm

And, why do we KEEP allowing it?

Why are we saying, "Just wait til 2012?"

Didn't we say, "Just wait til 2008?"

(Shaking my head.)
 

Tom Rose (12)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 6:47 pm
Let the BP exexcutives drink their oil just as Spaniards were forced to swallow molten gold.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 7:52 pm
Why the oil spill is not Obama's Katrina

This one could have been mailed in. Sarah Palin predictably knocked President Obama for, as she put it, failing to "dive in there" and solve the Gulf spill disaster. Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and a rash of GOP senators were slightly more grammatically intelligible but still pounced on Obama for being too cozy with BP and not pulling out all stops to staunch the spill. The GOP's political attack plan is crude and transparent. Compare the Gulf spill to Bush's Katrina bumble, liken Obama to Bush and heap the same blame on him.

It won't fly. Before Katrina hit, government tracking systems, weather satellites, and countless news reports warned that the hurricane potentially posed a grave threat to New Orleans and the Gulf. Bush administration officials well knew this. They also knew that the sea walls there were in terrible shape and could give way. When the storm hit, Bush hesitated, dithered, and minimized the immediate impact of the storm, and made no effort to counter the wild, sensational and thoroughly false reports of looting, rape and vandalism. The colossal loss of property, the thousands dead and injured, the horrendous displacement of residents were the direct result of government ineptitude. Five years later thousands remain uprooted, and whole neighborhoods remain gutted. New Orleans and the Gulf are still paying the high price for Bush's abysmal delay. After an international army of volunteers and donors sped aid and relief to the area, Bush eventually recovered and kicked relief efforts into high gear.

Obama's response to the Gulf spill stands in stark contrast. He sent cabinet secretaries, and an armada of homeland security, Environmental Protection Agency, FEMA and Coast Guard personnel, engineers, scientists, technicians and clean-up workers to the Gulf; more than 20,000 responders in all. There are multiple staging areas, and ships in the area involved in the clean-up. Nearly 2 million feet of containment boom, and a million gallons of chemical dispersant have been used to fight the spill. Obama has asked Congress for $130 million for clean-up operations. The White House has churned out reams of releases, statements, and reports to keep the public updated on the progress and problems in containing the spill.

Obama correctly points the blame finger at BP and oil executives for their duck and dodge of full responsibility for the spill, and their inability to successfully contain it. They deserve the blame. But as environmental disasters go, off shore drilling spills are rare. The industry's forty year safety record on drilling has been fairly good. But the BP mess shows that all it takes is one drill disaster to cancel out the industry's record and paint the industry as a greedy, safety plagued, environmentally irresponsible menace.

The spill should be a wake-up call on the potential and real hazards of ultra deep water oil drilling, and the urgent need to devise new and better safety and equipment standards and controls. The Obama administration has been hands on in supervising BP's efforts to stop the spill. This provides it with terrible but needed teaching moment on the need for the government to ramp up oversight and monitoring of the industry. And beyond that for the Obama administration to rethink and reexamine the potentially devastating environmental hazards and drawbacks of expanded off shore drilling as well as its potential to dent America's energy dependent shackle.

Public opinion polls now show that more than half of Americans say they disapprove of Obama's handling of the disaster. An even bigger percentage says they have no confidence in the government's ability to prevent another spill. The public's heightened jitters over the spill are understandable given the nightmare environmental messes that the oil industry has at times made in the past. The public is also right to be deeply suspicious and outraged over the far too lax and cozy relationship between government regulatory agencies and the oil industry.

The Gulf spill, though, is not solely an environmental catastrophe to Palin and the GOP or even a matter to them of government officials in bed with an industry. If that was there real concern they'd point the same blame finger at themselves as they do at Obama for their sweetheart relation with the oil industry. According to the Sunlight Foundation, BP has dumped six million in campaign contributions to congresspersons in past years. Seven of the top ten recipients of BP contributions have been GOP senators and congress persons, and one of the principal recipients has been GOP Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell.

But the facts are irrelevant. The Gulf spill is simply too juicy a political opportunity for the GOP to pass up to ream President Obama for a disaster that he could not foresee, did not make, and has made a best effort to solve. What better way to drive the political nail in the box than to call the Gulf spill the politically loaded Obama's Katrina. It's a bogus call.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 8:18 pm

 
Parish Official: BP Shipped in Workers for President's Visit
A Gulf Coast official accused BP of shipping workers into Grand Isle, Louisiana, for President Barack Obama's visit to the oil-stricken area Friday and sending them away once the president left the region.
 
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BP Now Owns the Airspace Above the Spill, Too - Bars Journalists From Flying Over It
Newsweek reports that everyone from traditional and independent journalists and photojournalists to Jean-Michel Cousteau have been denied access--they've even go so far to establish no-fly zones.
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 8:20 pm

The sources for the above news stories were CNN and Newsweek (not Fox).
 

Jill P. (70)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 8:23 pm
Marion. Where are you getting this stuff? I can see Palin saying Obama is "cozy with Big Oil" is like the pot calling the kettle black, even though she is actually right in this case.
Nothing else in your statement is true. obama has done NOTHING about this. This mess is BP's fault and responsibility but it is the American peoples' Gulf. The US government should have been very much involved since day one. We intervene, clean it up as vest we can (you can NEVER truly clean up oil spills) and then slap BP with the bill.
Instead Obama has stepped back and let BP do whatever they want. Why? He and BP do not want outside parties getting close enough to do a real assessment of the damage. BP has even kept environmentalosts who are experienced in these things away from the beaches and water. They are demanding BP authorized personnell only. Obama complys.
You want to talk about dirty money?

"BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years, with the largest chunk of their money going to Obama, according to the Center for Responsive Politics."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0510/36783.html#ixzz0pNWyA36u
Knowing this is it any wonder why Obama ended the offshore drilling moratorium and pushed, AND GOT, more offshore drilling permits and leases than even Bush tried to get? bush tried to get less offshore drilling and was faced with outcries. Obama demands even MORE than Bush and gets it! REALLY? is this what Americans are like? REally? If it is a Republican then we fight for our environment, but if it is a Democrat we look the other way or worse, we make excuses. Really? Is this what we are all about?
This is pathetic!
When Obama took office it was already known about the corruption in the MMS and that these offshore rigs were built without any envrionemtnal assessments or safety inspection. The Department of the Interior knew this and did NOTHING for a year and a half. He should have shut them all down until assessments ere done and safety inspections were done. PERIOD!
So this is not just BP's fault. Everyone from the epa, Dept of Interior, Obama, MMS, etc... are all to blame.
Environmentalists and scientists are trying to get things done. They are trying to stop this and do damage control but their hands are tied. Obama and BP do not want anyone getting too close.
As for these incidents being rare.
Really? Spills are almost a daily occurance. You just hear about the really big ones. They happen all of the time. Our corporate media just does not report it.
These oil drilling disasters on land and in water CAN NEVER BE SAFE....EVER! Please get that folks. They are NEVER safe and there is no back up plan...EVER. I don't care what BP and Obama tell the public. They are lieing.
Obama still plans on expanding offshore drilling.
Great guy. He is as much an environmental Presdient as Bush.
 

Jill P. (70)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 8:39 pm
Thosee stories, Carole just prove once again. Republican or Democrat...makes no difference.
When are we going to be ready for change? When will we have ahd enough?
Why aren't there millions on the streets? Even this isn't enough to just just royally piss everyone off? Isn't this enough to fire Obama and Congress..BOTH Parties?
BP gets to deny access to beaches, water and even air space? Really? They have not allowed the EPA to test the air quality on the water either. BP owns the Gulf? Really?
All of this with the blessings of Obama and the Democratic Majority Congress. dont' get me wrong. This would play out the same if it were all Republicans as well.
Why don't we demand more from these morons in Washington? Why do we keep putting dirt bags back in office? We vote the way we pick teams. We pick a team and we are loyl to them no matter what. This isn't a game. This is our planet, animal and human lives. This is our life. This disaster will be around for our great grandchildren to deal with.
And yet we'll rally behind obama and the Democrats come this November and in 2012 because we have no standards. Americans have no boundaries or line of morality that they can cross and lose our support.
God help the animals of this planet. God help the planet. Forgive Americans for they have no courage or moral compass.
We should be banging down Obama's door and threatening congress and every one of their jobs....but we don't.
 

Cam V. (417)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 8:39 pm
Choosing to ignore the fact that yes indeed there was an oil spill in Alaska Marion? Just a few days ago and you know what happened? NOTHING! It was contained immediately because of rules and regulations put in up there when PALIN was in office. Stick that in your pipe .... The spill happened and everything went according to plan to stop it IMMEDIATELY BECAUSE OF PALIN ....

She knows her stuff .... when it comes to responsible oil inside and out .... THAT is and always has been fact that you choose to ignore.

It has now made the news that Obama is sending SWAT teams to American oil rigs in the gulf .... What for? Trying to maybe bend this story into a terrorist attack or what? The only thing Owebama and his gang of thugs wanted was the power of the White House. He is now a gazillionaire because people were taken in with all that hope and change crap. IT IS CRAP! You think he cares? He does not give spit about America or anything that happens to your country. Never did and never will.
 

Jill P. (70)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 9:14 pm
As far as the chemical dispersents, they are dispersents, they dsperse the oil so it covers up the real damage. Scintists, biologists have siad the dispersants will cause more damage than the oil will. Nobody bothered to ask them. so much for Obama to the rescue with his team of "scientists". We were better off if BP had not used them at all. But Obma is letting BP call all the shots, so who are we to say...Oh that's right...we'e the American people, the public that has and is respinsible for the protection of our environment...like the Gulf.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Saturday May 29, 2010, 10:35 pm
Marion, first, thank you for the "Well said, Ian! " But now I need to ask - where did you find all of this that Obama supposedly did?: I can't find a thing. He's made lots of no0ise about holding them accountable, making them pay, but Marion, they're damned well KILLING THE GULF, knowingly, deliberately, and nobody is saying squat! And Obama is STILL allowing BP to call the shots. They've got a Coast Guard minor officer watching them, but it's doing about as much good as the people watching Kitty Genovese did her. One of the most fecund and diverse ecosystems in the world is being poisoned into desert, turned into one giant "dead zone" and no one in government has put on the brakes. NO one!

Ian
 

Pete M. (67)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 1:22 am
''Katrina was not unforeseeable. It was the result of a political structure that subcontracts its responsibility to private contractors and abdicates its responsibility altogether.''
Harry Belafonte, 2005

Re Obamas Katrina; I guess there is truth in that , in that Katrina & the BP gulf spill aftermath are perfect examples of what happens when you've gutted govt to the core in favour of corporate profit.

Northern (& others) are always harping on about how bad 'big' govt & regulation is and yet after getting their wish with Bu$hcos 8 yrs of privatising what little was left of the US govt, hypocritically complain the loudest when (surprise surprise), the US Govt doesn't have the resources to deal with disasters like Deepwater Horizon & has to leave it to private corporations to clean up the mess.

Also Northern;There is a slight difference between the recent Alaska oil spill and the BP Gulf spill- about 5000ft of seawater.

The use of toxic dispersants to deal with the spill begins to make sense when you realise that disaster response has been privatised, and the bigger the disaster the more profit to be made from Govt (taxpayers) paying private contractors to clean up the mess.

Capitalism at its finest.
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 1:59 am
I have never said EVER that I was against government regulation Pete .... BIG government? Yes. They do not need to be taking care of citizens .... They suck at it actually. No one takes better care of us that us ourselves.

Regulations? Administrations of both Parties in America for the last twenty years are equally responsible for everything that has taken place if you sit and put the whole puzzle together but you cannot look back. You must deal with the here and now and what comes next which is what this administration HAS NOT been doing.

The current attempt to plug the oil leak has failed. They are still crying out for help on the coast and those calls have been unanswered with the exceptions of his majesty's photo op the other day. He is a poor excuse of leader. 5000 feet of seawater? Yet third world countries like Argentina and countries like mine regulate that you must have a remote shut off on all underwater rigs.

Yet America could not figure that one out? They have submarines that can pick coins up from the bottom of the ocean but BP does not have one that can manipulate that well where it is? Then tell me Pete why the hail they were allowed to have a well there in first place then? What about all the other ones they are now operating? Has Obama shut them down? I think not. It is killing that ocean. Every single day and no looking back .... this is all Obama.

BP is still using an oil disapater in the ocean that the government ordered them not to use because it will kill the seabed. But they are still lacing it into the ocean in spite of what the government ordered them not to do. You know NOTHING about me Pete so please do not assume that you do. You know what they say about "assumptions" eh....

Palin was smart enough to make sure safeguards were put in place to protect the land. Imagine a woman knowing that it was important to do that when all the big boys in those corporations tried to talk her out of it. no wonder the corporations are afraid of her. No wonder Obama is afraid of her. She actually did know what she was doing and is asking some really pointed questions right now about his dang inaction regarding this thing. Maybe he should call and her ask her what to do but then that would be him admitting he is the dummy after all.
 

Pete M. (67)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 2:31 am
Northern; You are the one who believes "Capitalism does work when it is left to work on its own. It is when it is interfered with that problems arise." which marks you out as a NeoLiberal/CON, ie someone who believes that UNREGULATED (Free Market) capitalism is the answer to our economic woes, contrary to all the evidence.

Yes, both US political parties are to blame since Clinton embarked on the Neo Lib road to ruin started by your hero the mass murdering , deficit tripling Ronald Reagan, and inevitably leading to the massive economic car crash after another of your heroes Bu$hco put his foot to the floor.

Obama is merely the latest in a string of puppets dancing to the tune of his capitalist puppetmasters to the detriment of the economy, the environment and the wellbeing of everyone on the planet, excepting of course as always the balance sheets of the MNCs.

Your current Neo CON puppet Palins answer to this is 'Drill Baby, Drill', and the 'big boys in those corporations' are as 'afraid' of Palin as they were of Bu$hco.

It's easy to score political points in opposition, but if you think Palin has the answer to anything then you obviously don't understand the question.
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 4:01 am
I am a fiscal conservative. I believe that governments need to spend only what they bring in. Period. end of story. Anyone with have a brain in their heads know that you cannot spend more than you bring in and bigger spending will never get you outta debt. Don't like that kind of common sense thinking? Tough. I don't give a rat's patootey.

Palin took the big oil on up in Alaska. You know nothing. Nothing at all. When you do then talk to me about it sometime. You are not worth the conversation frankly.

As far as Reagan goes what I liked about him the most is that he brought Russia to its knees and never fired a dang shot. Imagine that. An American President who won a battle without ever declaring a war. He bankrupted that country ---- ooopps .... sound exactly like what someone is trying to do to America. No wonder it looks so familiar. Taken out of a page of history written by one of its most admired Presidents. Owebama apparently liked the plan so much he has brought it to the shore of America to try it on his own country.
 

Bob E. (113)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 5:21 am
BP is accountable to the disaster… The only question is… will we actually hold BP to be accountable….

The Republicans think that big corporations should have caps in place… They believe that we should not punish big corporations, big banks, big oil companies for their risky behavior… Yet BP is raking in huge amounts of profits?

The Democrats and Obama say that big corporations should be accountable… They say this… but after 19 years Exxon has not yet paid for the Exxon Valdez disaster and all of the damages they were supposed to pay… 19 YEARS LATER and they have not paid what they owe… EXXON IS STILL IN COURT… Yes Exxon is fighting against their responsibility…And Exxon is still around raking in money…

If I were President… BP would NOT get another lease of land, be allowed to explore for oil… nothing... until BP paid for their catastrophe… BP HAS THE MONEY but in the end YOU AND I WILL PAY FOR THIS…

So... when the Democrats say that BP will be held accountable…what are they really saying? What game are they playing? Democrats… DO YOU HAVE A SPINE? TAKE ACTION for a change…

PROTECT US and the ENVIRONMENT…. That is what you were hired to do.
 

Linda F. (16)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 5:44 am
I have always said the worse species on our planet us , HUMANE RACE, look what we do to our Planet, and each other. We destroy land, wildlife, and each other. Will we ever learn!

The executives of BP should all be put in jail. They new dam well they did not have the know how to stop a major leak that far down! They lied all for the almighty $$$.

This disaster has changed the world we live in, and it is not over. We will be seeing the effects of this disaster the rest of our lifetime. When this start to get into the Gulf stream, and down into the beach of Florida, and the Keys, and up to the Shore of the Atlantic, which it will, we will keep seeing what this disaster has done.
 

Bob E. (113)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 5:53 am
Northern N… you are MASS MISINFORMED about the fall of Russia…

You can think what your conservative mind thinks because it fits your conservative philosophy… You give total credit to Reagan for the fall of the Soviet Union… Total credit? You give Reagan credit… a guy who delegated, a guy who was being advised by experts and a guy who took lots of naps… Who was doing the real work? Who was being advised? Reagan was an international scholar? Reagan was an international relations guru? Give me a break…

Ask the Russian people… What caused the fall of the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall? Don’t sit here in America and know all the answers about THEM… Ask them not your conservative blogs, Fox news or conservative bias agenda in your head…

The Soviet Union was a confederation which existed solely through repression and harsh treatment against all of the people it tried to control. It was due to fall one day on its own… The Soviet Union was not man inspired but repression and control inspired…

The Russian people knew there was freedom in the West… They knew something outside was better than the repression they were experiencing inside… It was not the propaganda from the Voice of America radio or Reagan in the background… but rather music, free speech radio and consumer goods and electronics smuggled into the East from the West… The repressed people in the Soviet Union knew outside was better… One group… one bit of music was paramount and stood out… It was the BEATLES… Yes… popular music showed them the path… Popular music and the Beatles shone like a beacon to freedom…

Ask them… Ask the Russians… It was NOT Reagan’s voice… Reagan was talking a nap while his advisors watched Western culture, values, media and the Beatles music clear the way for freedom...
 

Pete M. (67)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:22 am
Bob; Re Northern being ''MASS misinformed about the fall of Russia''. He's mass miss-informed about everything .
Tho what d'ya expect from someone who watches F*x News while telling everyone who might listen that you shouldn't trust the MSM? Northern shoulda kept his old avi , the one that said 'EH?' ;-)

Northern;- ''I am a fiscal conservative. ''

Yes, that is why you hold 'don't tax & spend' Repugs Reagan & Bu$hco in such high esteem. EH?

Northern;- ''I believe that governments need to spend only what they bring in. Period. end of story.''

You are a 'Teabagger' , whose main (sole) reason for existence seems to be tax cuts, even in this time of the usual record deficits & national debt that tend to result every time the same nobrain teabaggers vote in a Repug (Bu$hco this time).
All this while the US has the lowest rate of taxation in the developed world , (30% compared to ave 40% ) & spends trillions of $ fighting imperialist wars for corporate profit, which you don't seem to have a problem with despite piously claiming elsewhere that ''Violence is never the answer.'' EH?

Northern; ''Imagine that. An American President who won a battle without ever declaring a war. ''

Reagan was prob too dumb/braindead to put an 'X' on the dotted line of a declaration of war,never mind sign his name.
His idea of 'war' was massacring & torturing S American peasants, priests and other assorted leftists who dared to ask for their basic human rights , invading 'mighty' Grenada, genocide of Guatemalan Mayans and all sorts of other heroic acts in the name of corporate profit.
He also more than tripled the US national debt from around $1 trillion to $4 trillion .

Some guy for a pacifist, fiscal conservative to hold up as a hero. EH?

Northern; ''You know nothing. Nothing at all. When you do then talk to me about it sometime.'' 'EH?'

One things for sure, if I want to learn something about anything you're pretty far down the list of peeps I'd want to talk to.... LMAO
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''Every thing the communists told us about socialism was a lie and everything they told us about capitalism was the truth.''
A Russian citizen having survived the introduction to the 'joys' of living the Neo Liberal capitalist dream in post communist Russia. Millions didn't.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:45 am
"Then tell me Pete why the hail they were allowed to have a well there in first place then? What about all the other ones they are now operating? Has Obama shut them down? I think not. It is killing that ocean. Every single day and no looking back .... this is all Obama.

BP is still using an oil disapater in the ocean that the government ordered them not to use because it will kill the seabed. But they are still lacing it into the ocean in spite of what the government ordered them not to do. You know NOTHING about me Pete so please do not assume that you do. You know what they say about "assumptions" eh...."

NOthern...We know enough to know when someone's lost their freakin' mind. Reagan? Palin? Might I also add you support Glenn Beck? And from the lack of criticism you give to Bush who created this MESS, he must be your hero too. As a card-carrying member of the Tea Party, we know enough about you.

All the other wells operating? This is all Obama? More crazy talk. You know good and well those leases were approved this administration learned about the corruption and mismanagement of the MMS. Most of these leases are operating and already approved under Bush. You must think Obama is God? I know how much you adore him, but I would never suspect you give him credit for walking on water too and creating miracles.

As far as not looking back, you CONservatives don't want anyone to look back into history. You want everyone to look to today under Obama. There's nothing to see behind the curtain, right? Let's just imagine the stage was built out of thin air by magic and Obama owns everything that happened these past 30 years of MASSIVE corruption, deregulation and trumped up wars that have crippled this nation. You would love that, wouldn't you?

The one thing I agree with you on is we need to look at the other wells being drilled. They all should be shut down for investigation. Why don't you sign this petition if you're concerned about this? It would really make a statement about your concern for America and your complaint about shutting down these wells.

PETITION: Tell President Obama to shut down BP Atlantis until proven safe
http://www.spillthetruth.org/

"Although President Obama has extended the moratorium on new deepwater drilling permits for six months and halted operations at thirty-three deepwater wells in the Gulf of Mexico, some oil rigs are continuing their operations. The Center for Biological Diversity has filed a lawsuit to halt forty-nine offshore drilling plans in the Gulf of Mexico that were approved without full environmental review. Meanwhile, the group Food & Water Watch is leading an effort to shut down the Atlantis, another BP oil rig in the Gulf. The group warns an oil spill from the Atlantis could be many times larger than the current spill and even harder to stop."
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 9:09 am
Ian...you asked where did I get this information? Where none of you looks...at the White House website. I'd be willing to be NONE OF YOU has ever visited that website. I always go to the source first. As far as a 'dead zone' goes, there's been a dead zone in that area for YEARS and no one has complained about it. Oil drilling has killed off tuna, shark, bluefin and other fish PERMANENTLY and the oceans have been irreversibly damaged for 50 years now. Where was Obama then? He wasn't even born.

So what has he done?

Immediately began investigation into cause of oil spill on day 1

Pledged to ensure that BP compensates those whose livelihoods have suffered and directed small business owners and others in need of help to the resources here at http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill

About 20,000 people in the region are working around the clock to contain and clean up this oil, approximately 1,300 vessels are responding on site, over 11 million gallons of oil-water mix have been recovered, and over 3 million feet of boom have been deployed to the Gulf region.

Gave BP approval to try "top kill" procedure. It didn't work, but the order was given, nevertheless.

Statement that PB and those responsible for this will be held accountable, which includes the government building the framework for REGULATIONS THAT PROTECT AMERICANS AND THE ENVIRONMENT

Statement that more than anything else, this economic and environmental tragedy underscores the urgent need for this nation to develop clean, renewable sources of energy.

Established a link of assistance for those affected by the spill, and many other resources
http://www.deepwaterhorizonresponse.com/

Created a daily report of the ongoing Administration-wide response to the Deepwater BP Oil Spill
http://www.whitehouse.gov/deepwater-bp-oil-spill/

The President also clarified the role the Federal Government has played in the response since Day 1:

The American people should know that from the moment this disaster began, the federal government has been in charge of the response effort. As far as I’m concerned, BP is responsible for this horrific disaster, and we will hold them fully accountable on behalf of the United States as well as the people and communities victimized by this tragedy. We will demand that they pay every dime they owe for the damage they’ve done and the painful losses that they’ve caused. And we will continue to take full advantage of the unique technology and expertise they have to help stop this leak.

But make no mistake: BP is operating at our direction. Every key decision and action they take must be approved by us in advance. I’ve designated Admiral Thad Allen – who has nearly four decades of experience responding to such disasters – as the National Incident Commander, and if he orders BP to do something to respond to this disaster, they are legally bound to do it. So, for example, when they said they would drill one relief well to stem this leak we demanded a backup and ordered them to drill two. And they are in the process of drilling two.

The President emphasized that the government would do everything in it’s power to stop the leak and clean up the mess and was employing the best and brightest minds from around the country to solve this problem. In addition to cleaning up the oil, the Administration is also focused on restoring the livelihoods of families who rely on the Gulf to make a living

We’re also doing whatever it takes to help the men and women whose livelihoods have been disrupted and even destroyed by this spill -– everyone from fishermen to restaurant and hotel owners. So far the Small Business Administration has approved loans and allowed many small businesses to defer existing loan payments. At our insistence, BP is paying economic injury claims, and we’ll make sure that when all is said and done, the victims of this disaster will get the relief that they are owed. We’re not going to abandon our fellow citizens. We’ll help them recover and we will help them rebuild.

To ensure that a spill of this magnitude never happens again, President Obama outlined immediate steps the Department of the Interior will take to reform the Minerals Management Service, which is responsible for issuing drilling leases and regulating oil facilities:

Additionally, after reading the report’s recommendations with Secretary Salazar and other members of my administration, we’re going to be ordering the following actions: First, we will suspend the planned exploration of two locations off the coast of Alaska. Second, we will cancel the pending lease sale in the Gulf of Mexico and the proposed lease sale off the coast of Virginia. Third, we will continue the existing moratorium and suspend the issuance of new permits to drill new deepwater wells for six months. And four, we will suspend action on 33 deepwater exploratory wells currently being drilled in the Gulf of Mexico.

The President also made the broader point that this tragedy should serve as a “wake-up call” for Americans that our dependence on oil is not sustainable. Focusing our resources on renewable energy will not only protect our environment, but “it will it will create a new, homegrown, American industry that can lead to countless new businesses and new jobs.”


Research Vessel Expands its Response Mission

Scientists Collaborate to Assess Unprecedented Usage of Dispersants

Health Impact Surveillance Continues

NIEHS Provides Support to Oil Spill Response Worker Training Efforts

Successful Controlled Burn

17 staging areas are in place and ready to protect sensitive shorelines, including: Dauphin Island, Ala., Orange Beach, Ala., Theodore, Ala., Panama City, Fla., Pensacola, Fla., Port St. Joe, Fla., St. Marks, Fla., Amelia, La., Cocodrie, La., Grand Isle, La., Shell Beach, La., Slidell, La., St. Mary, La.; Venice, La., Biloxi, Miss., Pascagoula, Miss., and Pass Christian, Miss.

Talking to the Governors for direct assessments and communication

Statement that while CG Thad Allen overseeing the incident, RA Mary Landry is coordinator, only the oil companies have the equipment to deal with this spill.

Appointed scientific team of best scientists and engineers from around the world to try to stop the spill. These scientists are reviewing every plan on the table, validating those that are moving forward and providing additional expertise and input on new tactics.

051210 Legislation to Congress to continue to protect the Gulf. "that will enable the BP Oil Spill response to continue expeditiously, speed assistance to people affected by this spill, and strengthen and update the oil spill liability system to better address catastrophic events. And while the President’s proposal will ask for additional funds in some cases, the federal government will not relent in pursuing full compensation for the expenses it has incurred, and for damage caused by the spill."

051010 President met with a number of Cabinet members and senior staff in the White House Situation Room to review BP efforts to stop the oil leak as well as to decide on next steps to ensure all is being done to contain the spread, mitigate the environmental impact and provide assistance to affected states, including individuals, businesses, and communities.

050510 Ongoing Administration-wide response to spill

050410 Holding BP accountable

050310 comprehensive update on spill

050210 President Travels to the Gulf Coast

050110 Response to the spill

043010 The President makes remarks on the Gulf Coast Oil Spill

042910 Response to the spill of 4/20 and this blog created for public information

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In the week following the spill, the Administration scrambled to get the above responses and activities in gear to a tragedy they did not anticipate or were prepared for, operating with Bush people in charge at the MMS and God knows where else in other agencies.

As an oil man who set the stage for this disaster, how far along would we be with Bush in charge? Would there be any legislation to hold BP responsible or assist those affected by this crisis? I seriously doubt on it and would bet on that.

Obama may not be emotional in his response, he may not have been up front and center on the TV trying to make us feel good. But from everything we have seen from him so far, he is methodical in his approach to everything he does and is doing damage control on this crisis as well as taking charge from day 1. If it seems that BP was in charge from day 1, well, that's the legacy from the Bush Administration to let the oil companies run amok. Isn't that what CONservatives want anyway? So, for the first week, Obama was in gear scrambling. After the first week, you can see what he has been doing about this disaster.

He has said all along, they're trying to do their best to plug this hole. I believe him. He never said there won't be mistakes. All he can do is the best he can with what is presented to him.

I've seen the inventors too with their offers to help clean up the spill. I have no answers why they haven't explored these techniques. But I'm sure that media exposure will get to the white house.

Read it for yourselves if you want further answers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/issues/Deepwater-BP-Oil-Spill
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 9:52 am
Gregory,
I saw above that you asks about Fire Salazar petitions.

http://www.rallycongress.com/2/3242/investigate-ken-salazar-mms/

http://www.rallycongress.com/2/2710/ken-salazar-secretary-blms-resignation/

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/Salazar

will post more as I come upon them.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:40 am
Thank you for these petitions, Robert. I've signed them all.

I'm the 60th person from California to sign the 'fire Salazar' petition.

I'm the 245th person from California to sign the 'Investigate Salazar' petition.

I'm the 101st person to sign this 'Get Salazar Out of Here' Petition

Lots of outrage posted in this thread. Is anybody willing to sign these petitions too? What are you doing about it? Or is it all fake outrage to blame Obama? I don't think CONservatives want Salazar out. I think they want to blame Obama and continue with 'Business As Usual.'

Want more petitions?

PETITIONS: GULF OIL DISASTER ACTION CENTRAL
http://sen4earth.org/articles/2010/05/05/gulf-oil-disaster-action-central/

 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:41 am
Marion, signed. Great info. Thanks.

http://www.spillthetruth.org/

Great work here and elsewhere JC
Ditto to Pete on your debunking that not founded in fact and those who would inflict lies on us in as a hobby.
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 12:39 pm
The truth is this mess was started by Bush and is continued by Obama. Dept. of Interior did nothing about the corruption with these rigs. Instead of investing government money and resources on alternative energy, many reesources that re out there sitting on a shelf, he instead is chanting Palin's psychosis of "Drill Baby Drill". He has given away, GIVEN AWAY, many more permits to expand offshore drilling than Bush and Cheney could even magine!
So explain to me the difference between the "two" Parties? America is owned and operatede by corporations under one party, The Money Party.
This discussion should not even be happening. Oil is a limited resources and a very sickly and dangerous one. It is killing us and the planet. We were warned 20 years ago to stop our dependence on oil. We were warned 30 years ago about Global Warming, and every single adminsitration, BOTH Democrat and Republican did absolutely NOTHING! Nothing has changed. Obama and his cronies sit on their hands watching our planet plummet into disaster, caring nothing for the wrold he is leaving his own children. We still have not done anything to stop the gases and pisons that are pushing us into global disaster. We are still arguing it 30 years later.
Tis BP disaster was inevitable. Oil spills happen all of the time. Obama and Bush knew this but wanted money and to help their sugar daddies, Big Oil. so they passed out leases like candy on Halloween. Bush and Obama daily chant "Drill Baby Drill". Palin is just the only one who said it outloud.
Obama has done nothing about this disaster. he is still processing the paperwork and continuing the process for all the new wells so in six months they are ready to go. He has shut down absolutely nothing. It is all Hollywood scripts to suck in gullible loyalists. He has no intention of stopping this drilling.
Offshore drilling should never have happened in the first place..EVER. The disasters happen all of the time and will continue. They are not "safe" as Obama and the oil companies tell us. They lie.
They should all be shut down, no new wells...EVER and our resources should be put into renewable energy from home. We should work on funding retrofitting homes for wind and solar energy and help get people off the grid. WOW what a crazy idea!
Ooops! Congress and Obama have debts to pay their oil cronies so they forbid it.
Land of the Free...Free to pilage the people and rape the Earth.
USA, Inc.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 1:36 pm
http://www.interpol.int/Public/EnvironmentalCrime/Default.asp
 

Jodi B. (28)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 1:38 pm
"Critics have called the Deepwater Horizon oil rig explosion “Obama’s Katrina,”


IT IS INSULTING to compare an oil disaster, created by a deregulated, bought and paid for, corrupt greedy corporation like BP's mess to Katrina, a natural disaster, which was completely bungled by George W Bush. And then tried to use the media to blame the people of who suffered from the Katrina disaster by calling them everything from welfare rats to rapists and looters! When the real criminals were groups like Blackwater who was on the ground ready to kill !!!!!!! Allowed by Bush of course Dept of homeland security.

What took place in this devastated American city was no less than a war, in which victims whose only crimes were poverty and blackness were treated as enemies of the state.

The response efforts are completely different for these two disasters. How do you people know that Obama is doing nothing? How do you know he is not operating within the perimeters of the laws that exist? From my understanding the laws are written that the company at fault is responsible. Govt. intervention would go against you Anti-govt. conservatives! Except when you want to call this His Katrina.


BP should be brought up on charges of murder! (after all corporations are "people" now right) What happened to the 11 lost in the blast? Have they been found? Are their families faces in the media every day? No? Bush admin are the one's who did massive deregulation of every industry we have. We have more pollution of every kind thanks to that bastard in our water, land, food and air!!!

The one's who are to blame for this mess is BP!!!!!!!!!! They should remove the cap on how much they should pay and Republicans should be falling over themselves to make it happen!!!!! BUT NOOOOOOO! They are not. In fact, they should no longer exist as a company! The laws that exists should be changed and STRICT regulation should be put in place. And remove the cap on amount of damages to be paid.

You crazy so called "fiscal conservatives"?conservatives/tea party whatcha ma call it's, want less GOVT except when you want to use it against the one in office that you hate. You want the industry to regulate itself, and call all the shots, well that would mean, that same industry is and should be liable for everything!! They are the one's who do the drilling they should have the technology to shut the leak off.

All the "drill baby drill" crowds are responsible too(Including that idiot Palin for creating that STUPID chant! Talk about Propaganda slogans any one? For the BRIAN WASHED masses, I don't give rats patoot if she had regulations in place for the recent leak in Alaska, no doubt only because of the rants of Environmentalists, not really because of her own prerogative! Left completely up to her, she would deregulate all the way)

and If not for all the crying and whining about lets drill here, drill baby drill crowds, when they should all be screaming lets find an alternative, Lets raise gas milage on cars, lets CONSERVE what we do have, we would not have had all these extra leases to begin with. Obama said himself he takes blame for this disaster, he is the one in office. Obama taking blame is A LOT MORE than that Republican moron Bush ever did.




 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 1:52 pm
From the 1953 CIA Overthrow of Iran Democracy, to the Iraq War, to the Criminal Gulf Disaster and Deaths, BP Was There
If you were to draw an oily line from the first exploitation of oil in the Middle East by the British in 1901 (they were in the process of converting their then world dominating naval fleet from coal to oil and were in desperate need of it) to the overthrow of the secular democratic leader in Iran,Mohammed Mossadeq, in 1953, to the Iraq War, to the criminal environmental catastrophe in the Gulf, BP would have been there.
 
But the fourth largest company in the world wasn't always called BP. It used to be owned by the British Government (remember the navy armada in need of oil). It was named the Anglo-Iranian Oil Companywhen the CIA teamed up with the British because the Western style Iranian leader Mossadeq wanted to nationalize Britain's 100% owned and run giant oil concession in Iran, and the West would have none of that. So Eisenhower authorized "Operation Ajax," and the Shah of Iran was placed in power -- ruling with an iron fist and the dreaded SAVAK, all the time fully backed by the U.S. -- leading to the radical theocratic revolution that we still confront today. All the time BP, which formally adopted its current name in 1954, was there.
 
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BP was there throughout the de facto colonization of the Middle East to provide oil to the West, the British and the U.S. remaining strong partners in keeping any recalcitrant nations in line. Which leads to the Iraq War and why many Americans and Brits were puzzled by Tony Blair's eagerness to go along with Cheney's secret oil committee plan to seize Iraq oil fields and Bush's belief that the war was Biblically justified. BP is the largest corporation in the UK and the third largest energy company. Do you have any more questions?
 
BP and its American counterparts are part of the corporate oligarchy that run governments when it comes to energy policy. They don't take orders from sovereign nations; they give them. They are unelected, but because of their hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue and profit, they run the show when it comes to oil policy, and profit comes first: forget about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 
Oil is their gold; we are just consumers who can be replaced at any time by more consumers, vassals to the oil company Masters of the Universe. There is no brake on their malfeasance, greed and criminal behavior, nor their ability to get nations to go to war, overthrow democratically elected leaders, and to get away with pollution of proportions beyond the imagination.
 
For over a century, whenever American and British GIs have died for oil, whenever pollution and toxicity have been let loose to ravage our shores, whenever residents have died of cancer caused by the oil refining process and spills, whenever Congress and White Houses have loosened regulations to allow reckless and massively damaging behavior, BP was there, along with their American counterparts: companies so large that they are above the law and governmental control.
 
Most American presidencies and Congress -- and particularly the Bush/Cheney Presidency -- have regarded oil companies and the control of oil resources as essential to the survival of the American economy. As a result oil companies and the secondary businesses that support them -- such as Halliburton and Transocean -- are indeed able to call the shots and get the U.S. and the UK to do their bidding. In the UK, BP is the power behind 10 Downing Street when it comes to foreign policy, drilling, and all things oil; that is why Tony Blair could not refuse to join the Bush/Cheney (and Rumsfeld) attack on Iraq.
 
Which leads us to the catastrophe in the Gulf. Of course, BP was off drilling in waters too deep for them to have developed a plan in case the well blew. Of course, they had memos indicating that they valued profits over lives and the environment. Of course, they have lied about the size of the oil pollution and their ability to fix it from the moment that more then 10 men died as the well exploded. That is their job. It has been since 1901, when their predecessor company began exploration in Iran. During her "reign," the iron maiden, Margaret Thatcher, allowed BP to be privatized, and it quickly -- Pac Man style -- gobbled up several other oil companies, including AMOCO.
 
For more than a century, we -- citizens of a nation founded on democratic principles of citizens deciding their nation's destiny -- have been nothing but pawns in the war over access to oil, wherever it is or might be found.
 
And the forecast in any shift of power from oil governance to governance by the people is looking bleaker every day.
 
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 2:07 pm
Thank you, Jodi. You said it well. The majority of those who want to label this as Obama's Katrina, are those who voted for Bush and continue to support the right wing, oil-pushing, corporate killing monsters who dropped this country to its knees. These same people want to make a political case against Obama, all the while supporting the DO NOTHING right wing politicians who have already made it clear they "WANT OBAMA TO FAIL."

These same people HATE Obama so much, they refuse to listen to his words, visit the White House web site for the facts from his Administration and learn from any legitimate news organizations. They get bits and pieces of what they want to hear to make a case against Obama. It's almost suspect that these people work for Dick Armey, Dick Cheney and Karl Rove directly. You are right: these people are such hypocrites it's any wonder why they have to gall to repeat this garbage.

Another article...

"This is not Obama's Katrina, it is his Hiroshima

Nothing irritates me more than the American obsession with connecting the most recent event with the most well known recent famous example.

Every conflict is Vietnam.

BP is Katrina.

Any abuse of power is Watergate.

It makes intelligent discussion almost impossible because you have to first explain why the comparison isn't apt and then you have to return to the real issues.

This episode has nothing similar to Katrina. We have had hurricanes before and we knew about evacuations and getting things ready. We knew that people needed food, water and that hospitals needed electricity.

We really haven't had a lot of experience with deep sea oil exploration wells blowing up and creating an event that, from an environmental point of view, is closer to Hiroshima than it is to Katrina.

President Obama needs to elevate the issue to an even higher plane.

In 90 days the oil will be stopped and the clean up will become a massive multi-billion dollar event. There will be some unexpected good news, clever inexpensive solutions that no one thought of before, and some harsh realities about rebuilding plant and fish populations that will take a decade if we are lucky.

The Japanese response to Hiroshima was two-fold:

1) They changed their fundamental way of thinking. The threw out their militarism and constructed a constitution that didn't even allow for a traditional military.

2) They developed a cooperative environment to rebuild their economy.

You want to ban US offshore drilling? Fine.

Right now their are 400 wells being added to a single field in Brazil. If something happens to those wells the oil goes into our oceans.

Until we change our petroleum-based economy then oil companies around the world will be pushed into more and more hazardous environments to take on more and more risky extraction.

The low hanging petroleum fruit has been picked. From now on it gets riskier and riskier.

So now is the time to summon a collective American response, ironically modeled on the Manhattan Project that created the "Little Boy" that wiped out Hiroshima.

Think big and add a zero.

Now is the time to grasp the historic opening to challenge this country to pivot and go in a completely new direction.

Create incentives and taxes that will take petroleum out of the car industry in 15 years.

We can do it. We tamed the west, built the trans American railroad, electrified a continent, and yes we walked on the moon.

In 6 months from now, Mr. President, you will not be judged on your response to this crises based on how well you coordinated the cleanup, but how effective you are in making these wells redundant.

We can do it, trust me, after all we are the people who figured out how to wipe out an entire city with a single bomb.

It is summoning this country to big challenges that this country has shown the world the strength of its people and the brilliance of its leaders."

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/grantcart/303
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 2:16 pm
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/28/nation/na-salazar28
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 2:18 pm
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jan/25/nation/na-parks25
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 2:45 pm

The curse of Bush

By Kate Sheppard

The Obama administration has faced harsh criticism for its oversight of offshore oil and gas development in the wake of the Deepwater Horizon disaster. The most absurd commentary, of course, comes from Republicans who have consistently pushed back against any attempts to regulate industry for years. The administration has been fighting back, but no one wants to actually call the problem by its name: the Bush administration.

At a House hearing Wednesday, Doug Lamborn (R-Colo.) accused Salazar of "harping on what MMS did or didn't do in the previous administration. "Why aren't we talking about the here and now?" asked Lamborn.

Salazar shot back about the efforts they've taken to reform the beleaguered agency. "Unlike the prior administration, this is not the candy store for the oil and gas kingdom that you and others were a part of," he deadpanned. At another point in the hearing, he pointed out, again without naming names, that an official at the department was sent to federal prison for obstruction of justice under the previous administration. (That would be Steven Griles, a deputy secretary at the department from 2001 to 2004).

On Thursday, when MMS head Elizabeth Birnbaum was pushed out of her post as head of the Minerals Management Service, her statement pointed back to the Bush administration, again without naming it directly, for leaving the MMS a deeply dysfunctional institution when she took over last July. She said that she hopes the reforms that Salazar has proposed for the agency "will resolve the flaws in the current system that I inherited."

It happened again Thursday when Obama made reference the past decade of cozy relations between industry and regulators. Eight of those years, of course, were under Bush. That was also when the porn, meth, and oil parties were happening in Lake Charles, La., office and the sex, coke, and oil parties were happening in the Lakewood, Colo., office. In fact, if you look at all the failures at MMS that may have contributed to this disaster, the vast majority happened under Bush.

It's not that the Obama administration MMS has been blameless. There was, of course, the lack of environmental analysis on the gulf well and the pitiful review of BP's oil spill response "plan." There was also a less-than-flattering piece on Birnbaum in the New York Times this week. It didn't paint her as an active problem at the agency, however, but rather gave the impression that she wasn't up to the task of reforming such a screwed up division. From what folks who know her have told me, she was well intentioned, if significantly unprepared for the job.

So Republican badgering of the administration over the issue is fairly absurd. Fixing the troubled agency was one of the very first things Salazar sought to address after taking office, announcing a restructuring of MMS's royalty-in-kind program, calling for a Justice Department investigation, and instating a new conduct code for the agency in the first days after taking office.

The Obama Department of Interior could have done more, of course, to improve the beleaguered agency. But the root of this is still the one name they won't say: George W. Bush.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:00 pm

Wasn't the whole point of this country being ecstatic about a NEW president because we welcomed the idea of CHANGE?

YES, we all know the damage caused by the Bush administration.

BUT, what I don't understand is why Obama is perpetuating it!
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:12 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNdEu9s5qUU&feature=related
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:16 pm

Yeah, so true, Sandrea. "The day the music died. So, bye bye Miss American pie . . ."
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:30 pm
Something for everybody...whether completely fair or not, this certainly makes its point.

Watching the latest tragedy unfold in the Gulf this last month, all I can say is: I can’t wait for Barack Obama to become president.

This Bush guy is such a disaster, literally and figuratively. It just seems that the destruction of America he presides over is all but endless. As if one Gulf Coast disaster left to rot in the sun wasn’t enough for this president, now comes a second. What did those folks in New Orleans ever do to him? Heck, what did Americans ever do to him?

I just can’t wait any longer for the new administration to take office. They are absolutely guaranteed to handle things so much differently than the Cheney Bots in the White House who seem intent on wrecking the whole world, with their charity beginning at home.

Look at this oil spill disaster, for example.

To start with, Barack Obama would never pick a guy like Ken Salazar for the crucial environmental position of Secretary of the Interior. Of course Bush would, though. Salazar has been deeply tied to mining and ranching industries his entire career – just the kind of corporate hack Cheney would insist on for the position. In fact, Salazar was even a big supporter of his predecessor, the corrupt industry shill, Gale Norton. After all the work environmentalists put into getting Obama elected, there’s no way he’d choose someone like Salazar for this position, a guy so lame that mining association lobbyists welcomed the appointment when Bush made it. What does that tell you? Of course, Salazar has turned out – just as you’d expect – to be the “Heckuva Job, Kenny” of the oil spill. This will never happen once Obama gets in and puts a real environmentalist atop the Interior Department.

Nor would Obama ever adopt the “Drill, baby, drill” mentality that Bush did earlier this year, when he opened up vast expanses of the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling – much of it for the first time, ending a longstanding moratorium on oil exploration along 167 million acres off the East Coast, from Delaware all the way down to Florida. This travesty by the Bush administration – which delighted oil companies and right-wing drilling advocates but angered environmentalists and appalled residents of those states – would never happen under an Obama administration. Unlike Bush, not only will Obama cease the expansion of drilling in these sensitive areas, he’ll surely cut it back. And not a moment to soon! Who knows where the next destructive spill will be.

We also wouldn’t be in this mess if federal regulators were doing their job, instead of being emasculated by regressive Bush administration deregulatory policies that turn industry loose to do whatever it wants. Regulators knew that backup systems were required to control the blowout preventers that failed in the Deepwater Horizon catastrophe, and they even told rig operators that in 2009. But they never did anything about, relying instead on promises from the offshore drilling corporations that they were on top of it. Wait ‘til Obama gets into office, man! He’ll clean up that nonsense in a hurry. Regulators will actually regulate, and regulatees be whipped into shape, and forced to comply with the government-enforced public interest, just like they should be.

I’ll tell ya another thing. When Obama is president, you won’t see reckless companies like BP getting permission from the industry whores in the Minerals Management Service to drill wells without obtaining the permits that they are required by law to first receive from other government agencies. This is exactly what happened with Deepwater Horizon. And since January 2009 alone, permission to go forward for at least three huge lease sales, 103 seismic blasting projects and 346 drilling plans has been granted by MMS without getting the environmental protection permits required from other federal agencies, like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA), to protect endangered species, among other things. MMS staff scientists are also regularly pressured and overruled by management whenever they raise concerns about the environmental impacts of drilling projects. No way will these sort of destructive sell-outs ever happen once Barack Obama is in the White House.

It’s bad enough that the United States government under George W. Bush has been so culpable in so many ways for the wreckage that has come from the BP spill in the Gulf, but even worse is how they are helping BP to lie about its magnitude. First the administration said that the spill was pumping 1000 barrels of oil a day into the Gulf. Then they increased that number to 5000 barrels. What we have now learned is that the real figure must be several times larger than that. Worse, we know that the administration is allowing BP to use a measuring technique specifically not recommended for this sort of spill, and has actually turned away a private team of scientists who were standing by ready to deploy the proper measurement equipment. Ian MacDonald, a Florida State University oceanographer who is expert in measuring oil flows, believes the amount must “easily be four or five times” what the administration is saying. Indeed, he and others have analyzed video imagery and estimated that the breach is spilling on the order of 70,000 barrels of oil every day. He notes that, “The government has a responsibility to get good numbers. If it's beyond their technical capability, the whole world is ready to help them.”

But, of course, the Bush people absolutely don’t want help to accurately measure the disaster their corporate patrons have created. In fact, because of their ties to industry, they want to make sure it isn’t properly measured. The situation is actually worse that, however. MacDonald and others believe that BP is actively trying to “hide the body” in this crime, and that the administration is assisting them in doing that by not collecting sufficient deep water samples to map out the damage, and by torpedoing those few gathered by scientists on their own. Over a month after the spill began there are still no deep water test results released by the government and no pressure from the administration for BP to collect this data. Worse, when independent oceanographers collected one sample that confirmed their theory about deep water spills creating huge underwater plumes of oil in the ocean, NOAA immediately criticized the results of the study, even though they had previously pointed to their partial funding of the effort as an example of the government’s attempts to stay on top of measuring the impact of the spill.

Just as they did with the whole Iraq WMD scare, the congenital liars in the Bush administration can’t seem to help themselves. They love the corporate class so much – even foreign corporations – that they are willing to put big money interests ahead of the American public who is their real constituency, and help protect those corporations with official lies. Won’t it be great when Obama gets in and puts the hammer down on this sort of disgusting treason in the White House?

Another sickening aspect of this tragedy is the cover-up which is already underway. As they did with 9/11 and Iraq, the Bush administration has again appointed a Potemkin Panel to investigate this crisis. But, guess what? Its six-member Board of Inquiry is made up of half Coast Guard staffers and half MMS clowns. It obviously is going to be completely unable – by design – to tell the truth about what has happened here, especially where the key government agencies nominally in charge are concerned. This is a total white-wash. You can bet that a guy like Obama would never countenance such behavior if he were president today.

Bush is also playing deceitful games with policy on this issue, trying make the public think that he’s environmentally friendly, even while he is taking excellent care of his buddies in the oil industry. After the blow-out, the president announced a moratorium on permits for drilling new offshore wells, and promised to stop giving environmental waivers for offshore drilling projects. But guess what? While we weren’t looking this last month, the administration issued seven new permits and handed out five environmental waivers for just the sort of projects like Deepwater Horizon that were supposed to be banned now because of their potential to replicate the current destruction we’re witnessing. In fact, many of these projects involve wells nearly twice as deep in the ocean the one currently spewing oil, and are therefore even more potentially dangerous.

The president himself said, “It seems as if permits were too often issued based on little more than assurances of safety from the oil companies. That cannot and will not happen anymore.” But it has. Seven times. The president also said, “We're also closing the loophole that has allowed some oil companies to bypass some critical environmental reviews.” But he hasn’t. Five times. Bush’s Interior Secretary, Ken Salazar, explicitly testified that “there is no deep-water well in the OCS [outer continental shelf] that has been spudded – that means started – after April 20”. But, in fact, Newfield Exploration Company confirmed that it was issued a permit on May 11 to drill, and has been doing so. And they’re not alone.

Meanwhile, back in the Gulf, the Bush administration seems completely intent on letting its oil industry buddies do whatever they want, no matter the damage. There are substantial concerns about the health and environmental impact of Corexit (just the name freaks me out), the oil dispersant being used in world-record amounts (over 700,000 gallons so far) to deal with the spill. According to Representative Edward Markey, Chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, “We know almost nothing about the potential harm from the long-term use of any of these chemicals on the marine environment in the Gulf of Mexico, and even less about their potential to enter the food chain and ultimately harm humans”. Great.

So the Bush administration pretended to order BP to scale back the use of Corexit, and pretended to give them a deadline by which to do so. But BP just told the government where they could stick their deadline, and kept on deploying the toxic chemicals. I doubt they’d dare to try that if a real environmentalist who put the interests of the public ahead of oil company profits – someone like Barack Obama – was in the Oval Office. You can bet the house on that.

The Bush Leaguers have also played silly games with public relations, like wimpy babies trying to act tough, just as they did when the Vietnam-evader himself put on a flight suit and landed on the USS Abraham Lincoln to declare “Mission accomplished” in Iraq, before the real war even started. Now they talk about how they’re gonna “keep the boot on the neck” of BP to clean up the spill. Tough words, man. According to the New York Times, though, “Oil industry experts said they did not take seriously the sporadic threats by the administration that the federal government might have to wrest management of the effort to plug the well from BP. The experts said that the Interior and Energy Departments do not have engineers with more experience in deepwater drilling than those who work for BP and the array of companies that have been brought into the effort to stem the leak. ‘It's worse than politics,’ said Larry Goldstein, a director of the Energy Policy Research Foundation, which is partly financed by the oil industry. ‘They have had the authority from Day 1. If they could have handled this situation better, they would have already.’”

Speaking of rank public relations maneuvers, Bush pretended to blow his top when the three companies (including Halliburton, of course) all blamed each other for the catastrophe, and called their antics a “ridiculous spectacle”, despite doing little himself to deal with the issue for more than a month now. Then he professed anger and astonishment at the “cozy relationship” between the oil industry and the government. Imagine that! Putting on his tough guy face, Bush waved his arms and said, “I will not tolerate any more finger-pointing or irresponsibility”. Oh, that’s cute. What’s he gonna do, order BP to act responsibly? Next year sometime? Over brandy and cigars in the Oval Office? I’ll tell you one, thing, if Obama were in the White House you’d never see a “ridiculous spectacle” like the one the president is putting on right now.

And, you know, you would also think that Bush learned his lesson from 9/11 and Katrina about getting up off the couch and engaging himself when there is a national crisis going on. Apparently not, however. Just like when Katrina hit, he’s running around doing political fundraisers while the country scrambles to deal with a crisis, and now he’s taking a vacation, as well, just like he did in the month before 9/11, after being warned of an imminent attack. Unbelievable.

Speaking of vacation, I just can’t take it anymore. These Bush clowns and their destructive antics are just killing me. It seems like it’s taking forever for the Obama administration to start, and for these predators to go.

I just can’t deal with it anymore. I’m gonna go take a long nap

Someone wake me up, oh, say, about a year-and-a-half into the Obama administration, wouldya?

By that time they should have really made their mark, and life will be so much better in America.

One thing’s for sure, once Barack Obama comes to power you’ll never again see an oil corporation-infested administration do nothing about a major crisis, lie about it, and protect British Petroleum instead of the American public.

That’s change you can believe in.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:37 pm

ROFLMAO!
 

Jodi B. (28)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 3:57 pm
"Wasn't the whole point of this country being ecstatic about a NEW president because we welcomed the idea of CHANGE?

YES, we all know the damage caused by the Bush administration.

BUT, what I don't understand is why Obama is perpetuating it! "







I have to agree Just Carole, there are plenty of things that I do not agree with or even like about what the Obama admin is doing, like continuing many Bush admin policies, and appointments like Salazar, Bob Abbey, and monsanto corporate shills....I don't think once a certain level of power has been achieved and sustained by a govt. will it ever go back.......I would still have voted for him over that old guy and that moron Palin....maybe next tjme I will vote for a real socialist...*LOL* or green party....I have to say I am even glad I did not vote for Ron Paul either....
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 4:36 pm
THAT is the point I have been trying to make for months here. He is not hope and change but hopeless and changeless. Follow the news on the coast and you will know that the government 'reaction' has been almost non existant so wave the Obama flag all you want he is useless. They are still waiting for the right to take simple steps to start the clean up and protect environmentally fragile areas down there. LET THE PEOPLE IN THE GULF TAKE CARE OF THEIR LAND!

Is his administration doing that? NOPE! None of you answer my original point. The fact that we need to force these companies to come home and get the oil - FROM US. So WE can hold their feet to the fire and start draining the resources they are hoping will take them in the next century of raping and pillaging our environment. They OWN our governments so eventually they will come back to North America. They will have to. They don't want to because it will cost them big bucks and WE won't let them get away with the crap they are pulling in third world countries. It will FORCE them to look seriously at alternative kinds of energy because we are going to bleed them dry. Both in resources and in money.

BTW, Reagan instituted financial blockades of all kinds against Russia which rotted their economy and fast. I know because CANADA did it too. They were collapsed economically and the wall was forced down. Not a shot fired. Good man Reagan. If you are a Dem then u do not like any Repub Pres. I actually liked Clinton until he started undoing financial regulations that should have been kept in place. What was the final straw for me was Monica ..... not the sex part but the lie. He proved himself to be a liar and it was a huge disappointment.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 4:37 pm
I hear you Jodi, Obama was a win with growing asterisks.

The why of it all remains cloudy. I have heard R. Redford praise Salazar for what he had done out west. There must be more than meets the eye and facts we don't know, but what we do know is not encouraging on its face.

One main difference between Bush and Obama is accountability, Obama has not said good job, while praising those in the trenches, and he has taken responsibility for that not done in his administration to change what was/ is still in place. I see some things shifting now, albeit and tragically too late for our Gulf and perhaps for much of the promise that was Obama. While painfully aware of how I have been let down, I do not take what good that has come out of his election lightly either, nor do I see alternatives worthy of more than a mixture of repulsion and laughter. I can't explain some of what Obama does. With Bush it was all far more clear, i.e., -
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2001.asp

And a distinct departure from Bush in addition to admitting fault, is firing as opposed to giving medals for failure.

May 17, 2010

TOP MMS OFFICIAL SHOWN THE DOOR.... When it comes to assigning blame for the oil spill disaster in the Gulf, the list of culprits isn't exactly secret. BP, Transocean, and Halliburton failed miserably, and the consequences are severe.

But last week, when President Obama noted "there is enough responsibility to go around," he included the federal government on the list. "For too long, for a decade or more, there has been a cozy relationship between the oil companies and the federal agency that permits them to drill," he said.

Obama was referring, of course, to the Minerals Management Service, the agency within the Interior Department responsible for offshore drilling. In the Bush/Cheney era, MMS became one of the most corrupt government agencies in American history, embracing an anything-goes atmosphere that led to literally Caligula-like corruption and debauchery -- including federal officials trading cocaine and sex for lucrative oil contracts.

It became obvious that the agency is in need of a shake-up. Today, we see the first step in that direction.

Chris Oynes, the top Interior Department official who oversees offshore oil and gas drilling for the Minerals Management Service, announced Monday that he will retire on May 31, The Washington Post has learned.

Oynes, who has overseen oil and gas leasing in the Gulf of Mexico for 12 years before being promoted to MMS associate director for offshore energy and minerals management, has come under fire for being too close to the industry officials he regulated.

The announcement comes just a few days after we learned that MMS "gave permission to BP and dozens of other oil companies to drill in the Gulf of Mexico without first getting required permits from another agency that assesses threats to endangered species -- and despite strong warnings from that agency about the impact the drilling was likely to have on the gulf."

Some of these decisions were made last year, but before the White House could bring in its own team to the Interior Department. A spokesperson for the cabinet agency said Obama administration officials are "working very hard to change the culture" in the relevant agencies.

That means replacing the old guard with a new one. It seems more than likely that Oynes will not be the only one who's replaced.






 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 4:40 pm
 
WHAT'S YOUR TRILLION DOLLAR PLAN?

 

Jodi B. (28)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 5:23 pm
Good post Robert. :-)
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:29 pm
First, I am not a right wing nut job. I am not now nor ever will be right wing. I am so far left the rest of you are too right for me.
We can never ever ever solve our problems in this country, and they are MANY, if we are not honest with ourselves and find the source. Rallying behind bush or Obama like they were your favorite football team keeps us all in this nightmare we have been in for the last few decades.
Deregulation of corporations and banks, etc.. started with ckinton...a Democrat Clinton lease more land for timber than did daddy Bush.
I don't need to talk about the environmental disasters both Bush's did. The media reprotedc those. When it comes to Democrats they hide the truth. Democrats are NOT left wing. Get it? The One Party system is playing us all like a fiddle and we all just keep dancing. Then scratch our heads and wonder why things are not getting better. People live longer, healthier and better quality of life lives than Americans. We are not the "best country in the world". The Democrats and Republicans play the balme game and name calling just like they do in Saturday afternoon wrestling. It is all staged folks! The Debates are controled and rigged byt he two parties. The elections are rigged by the two parties. The media is corporate owned and operated and thus our information is censored. Watching mainstream media news is no different than watching a movie. It is all set up.
And here we are...dancing.
McCain and obama wre not your only choices..but you all played along.
There were 8 viable presidential candidates...but you all danced.
There were very good candidates in the primaries but the corporations narrowed it down to two in each party for you. They dd not want the others so they were all balcked out.
The two arties and the media tell YOU who you will vote for....and you play along.
The other candidates would have had the troops home by now, we would have single payer healthcare (no more dieing in this pay or die system we have now), the moratorium on offshore drilling would STILL be in effect, and corporate personhood would be over, banks would have the regulations reinstated (rather than no strings attached trillions of taxpayer money),...
But no....everyone had to dance to the money Party tune.
If you really want to solve these problems, be honest, take a hard look at Obama, his administration and all members of congress, and then ask yourself..how can I change this? We have got to break away from these corporate shills planted in our government. THAT is the ONLY time we will EVER see change...positive change.
Obama is to blame and his administration. Obama is going ahead with more offshore drilling. Deal with it, get into reality, and start solving problems.
No, I am not right wing. I do not have to be one or the other. I do not have to be a Democrat or a Republican. I have choices. I criticize Obama as much as I criticize still, Bush. I would still like to see a President and congress with enough balls to try them for treason and impeach the scags. But obaama and Congress are all on the same team. you don't impeach your own.
I am Independent...I think for myself.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:34 pm

I understand your angst, my friend.

It's infuriating to only want what is correct, but to be mislabeled.

(But, I know better. I know you as the warrior you truly are.)
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:45 pm
I agree with you both, Robert and Jodi. I am disappointed with Obama too, but would still take him any day over McCain and his disastrous sidekick, Palin. My choice was McKinney, but I knew this country was not ready for her, nor would she have a chance in hell of being elected.

Obama never said he would do the things Progressives want him to do...at least, not completely. Much of it was wishful thinking on our part. Yet, he has made greater strides with an OBSTRUCTIONIST opposition party that has done more than we will ever know to sabotage his agenda and presidency. Vicious and evil comes to mind when I think of how the right wing views Americans and the extent they will go to maintain the status quo. They work for the big corporations and special interests, and the rest of us can go to hell.

That said, Obama would NEVER have been elected without working within this corrupt system. Never, at least not in this election cycle. By taking some contributions from the oil industry and others, he made concessions and they with him. Also, there's alot of truth in the conspiracy theory - to my thinking - that Obama was 'selected' by the Bilderberg Group that picks presidents. Clinton was supposed to win, but Obama was a surprise to all. The media are in on the elections as well. We think we voted for Obama? Think again. We voted for who the powers that be gave us a choice to vote for.

According to the theory, the two parties, Dems and Repubs, are merely two sides of the same coin that governs this country for the bankers who control it all. Not Wells Fargo and the like. I'm referring to the world banks and the IMF. As it goes, when the Dems are in power, they build back the country and make it solvent from the damage the Repubs do. When the Repubs are in power, they take us to war and spend, spend, spend. Both parties fight each other and make us THINK we have a choice. We have no choice. We play a game that so far we have not had much say in. And so we continue to fight each other over party differences while losing our rights as citizens.

Obama is well meaning and wants the best for this country. I'm sure of that. But he is a politician and knows this is a cutthroat business. So, regardless what he really wants to do, there are some things he will have to compromise over, from the deals he has made. I wouldn't do that. McKinney wouldn't do that. But then again, those of us who wouldn't do it would have no chance of getting elected. The corporations and banks OWN THIS COUNTRY and are sealing it up fast for a complete fascist nation. And I wouldn't be surprised if Obama is shaking his head right now wondering why he compromised his values. The day he took office, I'm sure he found out he is surrounded by liars, thieves and things are not what he thought they were.

There is something sinister that I think happens to each president once he takes office. He has all these grand ideas and plans, but finds out he really doesn't pull the strings. Within a certain range, he can operate and run the country. But he is really just a front man telling us what he's been told to say. Cheney was really president, but even he was taking orders. We will never see or need to know who is really giving the orders.

I worked for a major corporation for many years and saw up front how ugly things can get. One of the ugliest things facing us right now is worse than this oil spill: it's the Supreme Court decision giving corporations the right to rig elections. Money talks. And the bigger the money, the more talk you have. Example? Obama can say BP will pay every dime of the mess they have made with this spill. But the Supreme Court can rule that BP will pay only a token amount and the government will foot the bill.

So, we're back to square one. Do you want to support the Republicans who are Conservative, right wing, oil-pushing, corporation supporting party who sleeps with the fringe Tea Party...or, do you want to support the Democrats who are more liberal, centrist and left wing, striving to bring order to the spending and wars of the Republicans? Just know that both parties take money from corporations, with the Republicans taking the most. Just know that some of the more ruthless politicians are willing to sit on the fence and jump to the other side when things look greener over there (Specter).

Personally, I have minimal respect for Democrats and zero respect for Republicans. The candidate I want is not straight from either party and doesn't play in that game. McKinney and Sanders come to mind for politicians who are sincere. And as long as we vote for the two-party system, we will all continue to be slaves to this corrupt system.

The best we can do is continue to write, call, petition, protest, complain, vote and do everything we can make our voices heard....or revolt. Those are our obvious choices within the game.

There's also an alternative choice and I think a better, longer lasting one...rebel and not buy into the system. Get off the grid, consume little oil until we can make a switch to an alternative energy source, monitor every purchase, grow one's own food, buy locally, get back to nature and live simply. It takes courage to go this route, is hard work at first, but it is a freeing experience and a healthier one. In the long run, we save money and it's better for the environment and critters. As communities make the shift, the 'system' must change with it. The choice is ours.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:46 pm
"When it comes to Democrats they hide the truth."

Liberal media. Ha. That is a joke.

Who did you vote for? I voted for Obama, true, but not because he is a Dem, but because he could win and I liked the platform. He has let me down. Don't know why I as surprised by that. Its the subtle mix of sweet and sour that keeps me off balance and hoping still. Things improved, but far from enough. I agree in large part with your post though a Third party candidates play get Bush's elected as often as not. Perhaps that will change if if people bolt en mass. Who ya got in mind for our next leader?
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:49 pm
Jill ~ I think we just said almost the same thing in our own words. :)
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 6:59 pm
Because he could win .... Now THAT is a reason to elect someone to the most powerful office in the world. It's all about winning? Standing ovation to you Jill who sees everything for exactly as it really is. Until I got involved here at Care 2 and started 'talking' and listening and learning to the likes of you and Carole ; ) I did not honestly realize the ownership the corporations had taken of our government. I knew they bought votes etc. but to actually be responsible for making policies! WTH .... never suspected that.

This is a war between us and any government officials who think business as usual is going to be the calling card of the future. Not anymore. Not if we really care about what we are leaving behind us. I supported Harper until I heard him refer to the NWO the other day. Now as far as I am concerned he is on the same garbage heap as the rest of the corporate goons. Obama is at the top of the list. I may not live in America but as a kind friend here pointed out to me I do live in North America and everything that happens in your country has a direct effect on mine.

Do you think Paul will run again? 2012 is probably going to be the most important election - not just in America but in the history of the world we live in today. Americans must lead the way. You must show the rest of the sleeping world how to get out of the mess we are in. You can stop it in its tracks as you are at the path and not yet down the road of socialist control. The rest of us can follow your lead by taking responsibility for ourselves first and for turning the clock back in our countries on union and corporate/government controls. We all need a smaller government who will really work to improve and enforce rules and regulations that will apply to everyone. Unions need to be brought into line. Around the world we must start making personal sacrifices or we will be our own armageddon.


 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:24 pm
Your so transparent windy. Yes winning. Beats loosing. Gettin Palen would have been loosing and made Obama look so much better than given credit for right now.

So now that you've caught on to the Corporate hold on Government, your goal is to elect a Corporate Dream of total deregulation ala Paul. Unions have to be brought in line? Organized workers using the only thing we have ever had to bargain for fair treatment....Our numbers. Another thorn is the side of Corporations. American Workers United, and you ignorantly equate them with Corporations. Thats just typical wing propaganda. Unions back Dems for a reason and it ain't a love of being enslaved by Corporate Repubs. Jill made some good points. You did not, and add nothing worthwhile In this Americans opinion. Operation stinkfist has taken its toll on you. You being willing didn't help.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:32 pm
It's my turn to ROTF and LMAO!!
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:40 pm
Yes, Northern. That is how Americans vote....like they are betting on ahorse. A business employer never hires someone based on whether he is popular or not. An employer hires according to the potential employee's skills and ability to do the job. americans do not take electing their President seriously enough to do that. americans starve for peer approval. so they vote for who they are told to vote for according to their Party so everyone will accept them and they can be a part of a group.
Not voting for someone who would be good for the country and treat its citizens with the respect and diginity they deserve is no reason to vote for someone in America. Those people are not corporate picked and "have no chance of winning". They have no chance of winning because too many people, unfortunately the vast majority, are too cowardly to stand or what is right and place their vote for the most qualified for the job. voting for someone because you think they might win is truyly throwing your vote away. Why don't those of you who bet on the Presidential horses just hand your voting cards to the corporations and let them do it for you? It'll save you the trouble of going to the polls.
No Marion, we are not saying the same thing. I did not vote for obama because I could not vote for someone who I KNEW would reject single payer healthcare even thoug his own doctor supports it and has spoken out against obama's nightmare health plan. I could not vote for someone who I KNEW fully embraced liquid coal and was bought and paid for by Big Oil. I could not vote for someone I KNEW was only going to expand the wars in the Middle East and never bring the troops home. I culd NEVER vote for someone the corporate media trells me to vote for. I voted for a good Democrat in the Primaries who was blacked out of the media and the debates by not only the media but the Democratic Party itself. If eveyone who sais they supported him on the internet actually voted for him HE would have been the Presidential candidate NOT Obama.
Instead eveyone curled up in a corner and cast their vote according to what they were told, besdies he has no chance of winning, and thus we have Obama scum thrust upon us. I have yet to see the difference you see between obama and Bush. No one else sees it.
by all of you who threw your vote away because someone more qualified has no chance of winning, they laost because you did not have the courage to stand behind them.
How can we get real leaders who will stand for the people and not the corporations when every time they stick their heads out there the rest of you cut them off? How can they be leaders when we won't even stand behind them.
All the good candidates who ran for President lost because Americas don't have the guts and the moral conviction to support them. They are left to fight alone. i don't know why they even try to help us. We are pathetic cowards. We throw them by the wayside the minute the media tells us to.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:43 pm

Awwwwwwwww . . . We're all (Americans) in this mess together.

In the end, I'd rather disagree on some points with intelligent people, than be complimented by a manipulative misanthrope.

(Figure it out.)
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 7:59 pm
BTW Northern, i did not realize how much corporations controled our government until a couple years ago. There is even more horrors going on in this country and in our government than most realize or care to admit. you should see how our Presidential debates are completely controled and coreographed by the two Parties. It is utterly scandalous. That is why the two parties will never debate outside the Commission on Presidential Debates. The questions are prearranged and agreed on by both candidates. They have total control. The CPD strong armed the League of Women Voters years ago and forced them out of conducting the debates. Real classy beating up on the League of Women Voters like a bunch of THUGS!
Anyway, Northern, I know too much to ever get a good nights' sleep again.
Canada has been looking good. At least my husbvand can get the healthcare he needs. People seem to actually rally their government and care abvout the envirnment more than America. I know Canada has its problems as well.
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:00 pm
BTW, as far as third parties go...Americans are completely agaisnt them.
Germany has FIVE MAJOR PARTIES and then a bunch of smaller ones. We can't even get past ONE Party...The Money Party.
Third Party candidates DO NOT GET REPUBLICANS elected. There are conservative third parties that run as well. so conservatives and liverals who think for themselves vote for these third parties. No one "steals" votes. the whole idea of running is to get everyone to vote for you and not the others. Americans are opposed to the competition and want their single party system. This is why everything is so bad. These scum bags know Americans will neve vote fro anyone else but one of the two...so they work together. Whoever wins they all win. They just create the illusion of losing.
Democrats are NOT liberal nor are they the party fo the people. Not for some decades now.
Unions supported a lot of the third party candidates and support single payer healthcare NOT Obama's corporate health plan. Doctors don't support it either. Unions know the Democrats are corporate shills as well.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:02 pm
Dennis! My man! Never had a chance though. If they don't make it to the primaries...its a hint that compromise might be a wise move. Things have improved with Obama. I won. Call it what you want. Selling out, cowardice, whatever. See your wide brush does not describe me. I don't care what you or your peer group thinks. Brainless idealism never got anybody anywhere.

Got ya Carole. lol

 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:05 pm
I'd rather vote for something I want and not get it than vote for something I don't want, and get it.
Eugene V. Debs

A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.

Edward Abbey

My vote did not contribute to the Bush mess and it did not contribute to this Obama mess. However, it is very stressful being while everyone else sleeps.
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:06 pm
It is very stressful being AWAKE while everyone else sleeps.
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:18 pm
How have things improved with Obama? Give me something. Just because he can speak in complete sentences does not mean things are better.
Compromise is NOT better. Selling out people, their lives, their jobs, their safety, killing the planet for compromise is NEVER better. What color to paint the press room is compromise. forcing people to buy private insurance and call it universal healthcare is barbaric. You did not compromise you sold out human beings to "win a race". What id you win. did you bet money? Then I can understnd voting for who think might win. Hiring a leader in a powerful position then you vote for the best one for the job. You gambled with peoples' lives and our environment betting on who will win.
our troops are not home and won't be in his first term. People are still dying from lack of healthcare and still will with this corporate insurance plan. Land is still being leased for timber and oil drilling. More offshore oil drilling than any Republican did, mountain tops are still being blown off just because we can. The banks are still deregulated but now with trillions of OUR money. people are still jobless becasue Obama spent the money on corporate cronies instead fo investing in the American people, paying people directly for jobs for the government. This is what got us out of the stock market crash last time. Regulations were put in to prevent. Once they were taken out we crashed again. Logically putting those regulations back in would make sense. NOT to Obama and his cronies.
The government hired people to work in the parks, writ music, take pictures, write books and guides for the government. Many famous people got their start in that government program. It put money in peoples' pcokets NOT corporations, and the economy got back on its feet. That is because WE are "the economy stupid" NOT the companies. Our spending drives the economy.
The lsit goes on.
so how is it better with Obama. What has he done for Americans lately? I have already done what he has done TO Americans.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:35 pm
On much you say your preachin to the choir but if you like to think you have special knowledge...be my guest.

Awake while everyone else sleeps...

we may look asleep while thinking...beats just saying alot of pretentious crap.

don't worry, you may have found a peer, though you perhaps should not bring up the thing about your husband getting the care he needs in Canada. lmao.

Like the Union man, Debs quote....but... I'll take not getting every thing I wanted in order to get some of what I wanted. I can live with that post Bush with McCain/Palin on the Horizon...so to speak.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:45 pm
Something else people ought to be aware of - the "elites" believe that they OWN America.Marion and others here, that's more literal than you may realize. Seems that the Founders - if I'm remembering this right - took out loans to BUY America from several other countries, like Holland, France, Spain and a couple more, I think. Those loans were never paid, and they have long since gone to the owners of the Federal Reserve, the names nobody in the MSM ever mentions. The name at the top of that list is Rothschilds. Marion, the banks you're talking about are the Central Banks - the banker's banks. They're superbanks for regular banks. Did anyone notice the registered trademark sign after "United States" on the census forms? That's the corporation that's a subsidiary of that cartel of banks that are owned by Rothschilds. As far as they're concerned, we and our country are private property - THEIRS.

Jill, there are a couple of scenarios you didn't consider. Or rather, you didn't take your own scenarios far enough.Going by past performances, if we had elected a third-party politician who had then started in on all that reform, I believe strongly that we would have had a DEAD third party politician in short order. It could easily be covered by multiple attacks on other politicians, mostly leftist and progressive third party types, and agencies - enough for there to be a National Emergency called and Martial Law declared to lock the country down until a "satisfactory" president could be gotten into the office. We've had three presidents defy that cartel, and one who directly defied Rothschild, Andrew Jackson. There were multiple assassination attempts on Jackson that failed, but after they got what they wanted they weren't letting go for ANYTHING. Almost immediately after an act of defiance that would have returned the power of making its own money to America, Lincoln and Kennedy were both assassinated. Of course the linkages to prove who was behind those actions have long since been severed, so proof positive is no longer possible.

If we were to start the fight NOW to get national attention for third party candidates, and we're gong to have to somehow outshout the MSM to do it, we might get enough people interested, if they can be assured their votes will be counted, another thing we need to work at, we might be able to elect someone like that. If the genuine people's choice were to get elected and was then assassinated, that would be about as clear a pointing finger as even the most skeptical could ask for! I think with something like that you'd see a honest Second Revolution, especially if the presidential election was accompanied by similar elections to Congress. Even another clearly stolen election might suffice. And I don't know how long the connections between the Democrats and Republicans has been this strong, but there's no doubt at ALL at this juncture that they're both taking orders from the same HQ!

If we could boot the bastards out, recover our stolen gold, make our own money, and repudiate the insane debts that the banksters have run up TO THEMSELVES which we were given ZERO chance to vote on and that most people are only vaguely aware of using the principle of "odious debt," then we might be able to build the America we want. I'd bet money though, that we'd end up in a shooting war with the E.U. Most of them don't know it, but the banksters consider the E.U. their personal property as well as America, and if America was to break free of them and their world domination schemes, they'd go all out to destroy this country. As it stands, their stated intent is to leave only about 70,000 Americans alive at the end of all this. The sheer arrogance, the compassionless, psychotic Evil of these people and their servants still astounds me! We'd be better off rid of them than all the other disease organisms out there.

When people are let be to do what they want in a disaster with no agencies or paperwork or "professional" supervisors in the way, America has always done fine. As soon as the government or they and their crony corporations get involved, people start dying. If we ever manage to get there, one major change that has to happen is to limit the size that ANY corporation can reach, and to remove the possibility of ANY sort of monopoly ownership. I'd also require taxes from corporations, but if they ship jobs overseas or send too much profit out of the country, they'd better follow it because they would no longer be doing business here. Business that damages the country or any part of it should be illegal; the same goes for laws. Idiocy like the Drug War. And if the War On Terror was genuine, our own government would be its first target.

Ian
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 8:46 pm
I can sum it up without a return rant. I got less than I hoped for and more than I'd get if Republicans won. One more time....I think they were worth avoiding to say the least. Corporations are giving much more to Republicans even now with Dems and Obama in power, that should tell you something. They hate Obama. They don't like compromise either. Just like you.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 9:11 pm
Good to read you Ian,

Big if's. Me and many I know have been concerned with even our evil compromise guy as far as them going after him. They were certainly making all the noise they need for cover. And not because they like him as I have tried to explain. They like things as they were. No change that costs them a cent is welcome. Obama is not changing things much granted, yet he has been called everything including Hitler. What would happen to Kucinich if he had won. I can only imagine but can see him in a mustache now. He would stand up and they would kill him. I have no doubt. But he could never win here in fearful, Capitalism=freedom sound bite as news Corporate owns news "called Liberal"... America. So I'm dreamin. More likely we get a Rand who is the Corporate wet dream. I can see that happening considering who's running the show and what they want.

And here we are.
 

Ian MacLeod (79)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 9:34 pm
Yup. Americans just love the stories where one courageous person takes on the Big Bad System and is about to lose big time when the whole township steps out their front doors, stands up next to and around the Hero making it clear they're right there with him 100% - and the good guy wins! They always say to themselves (or their beer or wine buddies) "Hell, I would've been right there with him from the beginning!"

In real life there could be another Kitty Genovese happening right on their front porches, and I know JUST what too damned many people would do: turn up the TV!

Ian
 

greenplanet e. (157)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 9:45 pm
The oil and dispersants are making a mixture of oil globular clouds many feet under the water that can get into the skin and be swallowed by fish etc. The oil also has toxic fumes coming off it.

It's disgusting.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 10:31 pm
Others...

Well, thats enough about them.

 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:00 pm
Bush administration streamlining oil and gas permits
December 23, 2003: Much to the delight of the oil and gas industry, the Bush administration is quickly approving energy development permits -- and is looking to speed up the process even more. Since 2001, the Bureau of Land Management has approved 34 percent more applications for drilling on federal land than it did under the Clinton administration, according to an Associated Press review of thousands of such applications since 1998. A BLM official in the Wyoming field office, which has received more than 4,000 drilling applications in the last three years, said it takes 46 days to approve a permit under existing regulations. The Bush administration, which favors "streamlining" the process by changing environmental laws, forced the BLM to issue a series of directives aimed at speeding up permit approvals -- much to the chagrin of conservationists who warn that expediting permits shortchanges environmental protection.

"What industry and the Bush administration fail to accept is that federal agencies are supposed to review, not rubberstamp, permits to develop our public lands," said NRDC senior attorney Sharon Buccino.

It's not surprising that industry's drive to drill more of the West is reflected in the White House's agenda, notes Buccino. Oil and gas companies contributed nearly $2 million to President Bush's 2000 campaign and have already given nearly $1 million to his re-election bid, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. The industry has contributed $29 million to political campaigns since 1999, with roughly 80 percent going to Republicans.


I repeat. Roughly 80 percent going to Republicans. Now....what might this tell me?
ummmm is it that they are just the same? Or are there some distinctions that are note worthy. Things Corporations don't like? Oh! REGULATION! That right! The right is for deregulation and The Corporations want free rein. Ain't it the truth. And what got us here? That relationship. And Dem's now all afraid to be called liberal because Reagan and the like portrait that as Communist and flicking America bought the line and sold themselves out. Add Christian Funnies and the bigoted (not all of course) south. And of course the left has come to the right. Way right. Its what the sheep have wanted. Bush was it's unfolding. The full view. Outed.

Now Democrats have to get some backbone and America has to stop being so god damned dumb. Corporate governance is not Democracy. Screw this every bodies to blame crap. Its the Republicans while they stand for everything Corporate and nothing American... selling us out. Yeah....Some Dems too. Frickin Blue dogs.
 

Cam V. (417)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:34 pm
Jill, our health care system is a great example of what you do not want to do in America. I can send you a link if you like to read info about it. There is so much we can learn from each other if we would only take the time to listen.

As well we have thought and speech police up here that just kind of snuck in overnight! Lots of things we need to start working on but America as always will lead the way. Corporate control is poisoning everything around the world. Money talks and big money talks loudest. I wish there was an easy answer to everything but it took a long time for Canada to get into the mess it is in and will take a long time to get us out of it as well. You are fortunate not to have come down this path yet.

More than two parties has been the reason why we have been trapped here. We have several and cannot get a majority government elected with the right voice of reason and honesty to get to work! Instead everything becomes about negotiating and we all know how well that works out. Not at all.

Yeah Robert. I do like Palin because she is owned by no one. Spin it any way you want there are people from her own political party sitting in jail right now because she cleaned house when she took over up there. Maybe the best thing to do is just leave the lady alone eh? The more she gets picked on the stronger she becomes. Not going to even try and sell her to those of you who hate her and I don't get a vote so I am no threat to any of you.

You need someone in office who owes nothing to nobody. Who has not been surrounded by corruption and progressive ideology. It is the only thing that will save your Republic. My hope is someone will step forward that most of you can agree on. Having a good ability to orate a good 'speech' means you are a good reader all right but so far the demonstration on ability to lead is more than lacking.

This month close to one in ten Americans are either in foreclosure or close to it. No help there either. It is a tipping point. You need someone who is going to actually do something to help the everyday American. Not just read them what they want to hear.
 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:53 pm
That greedy little fake would be more bought than hot dogs at Coney Island before she ever got past the primaries and lovin it. An opportunist of the most vile and stupid, one who knows nothing and refuses to learn. Why aspire higher when you have a public eager for your views from your porch and willing with lies to take you across the bridge to nowhere which you deride but asked for.

 

Robert S. (115)
Sunday May 30, 2010, 11:54 pm
which she derided but asked for.
 

Cam V. (417)
Monday May 31, 2010, 3:42 am
I could say that and much, much more about Obama .... but on to other things I heard Colin Powell today asking why the Navy had not been sent in to take a look at what was going on in the Gulf. It appears that you have some very good equipment and very smart naval abilities that have not been brought into play. Wonder why this has not happened? Does anyone know?
 

Susan Holmes (93)
Monday May 31, 2010, 6:10 am
Terrible. Shared
 

Marion Y. (322)
Monday May 31, 2010, 8:38 am
No compromise with me on Obama. I got what I expected with some losses. I knew it would be an uphill battle. Better that than continue being pounded into the ground.

Ian...You hit it with the banks, ownership, and assassinations. MLK was assassinated too when he stepped outside of empowering blacks to empowering the nation. Can't have any person having that much influence on the nation unless the central banks approves of them. They've been working on Obama but he's got too much security for them. Many attempts already.

Robert...Yep, republicans + corporations = deregulation...a very cozy relationship, indeed.

That greedy fake job is, in fact, owned. She's owned big time by M-O-N-E-Y. If the money runs out, we'd never hear from her again. No talent, no brains, no commitment, no integrity. Just an attractive exterior that hides a snake. Nice hero, if that's what you like.

Bring in the Navy? I'll go one further and better: bring home our troops from around the world and let them fight this domestic disaster we have going on right here. That's what they're for. Not out terrorizing the world for domination, resources and control that doesn't belong to us. Once we solve this problem, keep all troops at home and let them work to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and secure our borders here at home. So much money wasted behind wars and occupations.

By the way...

The oil is still spewing with no relief in sight. BP says August. I don't believe them.
 

Jodi B. (28)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:03 am
Marion and Robert,
Contrary to what the some of these people say. A pissing contest over who is more "liberal" and who voted for who? Really? Jill, and you just bought into what keeps America divided so you are in it too. Just because some voted for Obama doesn't make them less "liberal". It does however mean we are willing to compromise and YES that is necessary some times.

I too know exactly what it is I was getting when I voted for Obama. NO I did not bet on him like a race horse. I knew his positions and what he stood for that there were a lot of questions at the time. Obama never claimed to be a raving "liberal" and he has proven he is NOT one.

I was not going to waste a vote on an independent when I knew they would never make it to the white house and I darn sure did NOT want McCain and that STUPID Sarah Palin in their. So, Yes, the lesser of 2 evils.

Heck, I am not sure even if an independent did get to the white house that they would not compromise too, for the simple fact that congress would all be against them because they are all bought and paid for just like any politician. You would have a completely neutered President.

Until there is movement of unity among people who want to vote for what is good for ALL people and not just a few, none of us will get a lot more of what it is we want in a candidate.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:07 am
Wonder why this has not happened?

Heard of Google? Instead of trying to promote your fantasy about Gov/military inaction under Obama. Use it, and then you can at least have facts you can deny instead just fantasies to suggest.

From Naval Sea Systems Command Office of Corporate Communications

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- Navy pollution response experts have shipped 98,000 feet of oil containment boom as of May 20, to the Gulf of Mexico, as part of the combined effort to reduce the environmental impact of the underwater oil spill at an exploratory oil rig off the coast of Louisiana.

Naval Sea Systems Command's (NAVSEA) Supervisor of Salvage and Diving (SUPSALV) has positioned equipment and personnel from Texas to Florida to support the oil spill response efforts led by the U.S. Coast Guard and the Department of Homeland Security.

"With a single phone call from the U.S. Coast Guard, 66,000 feet of open ocean boom and nine self-contained skimming systems, and the professionals to install and operate them, were dispatched (representing the initial shipment). That's your Navy - a 24-hour Navy, incredibly ready and trained to respond to a wide variety of national taskings," said Vice Adm. Kevin McCoy, NAVSEA commander.

The Navy oil booming equipment is designed to divert the oil spill from an identified area. According to Capt. Patrick Keenan, NAVSEA's director of Ocean Engineering, Supervisor of Salvage and Diving, the booming equipment was first deployed to the western tip of Ship Island, south of Gulfport, Miss. Keenan said the Oil Containment Boom System is the primary containment equipment at an oil spill site, and consists of vans, boom, air compressors, and necessary equipment to support the various types of containment booms. SUPSALV's Oil Containment Boom Systems are portable and maintained at strategic locations in a state of readiness for rapid deployment to a spill site.

Eighty-five 18-wheelers of vital equipment arrived in Gulfport, Miss., within 48 hours of that one call, and 24 hours later NAVSEA personnel were at sea combating this terrible spill, added McCoy.

In addition to the boom systems, SUPSALV also shipped 21 oil skimming systems to the Gulf of Mexico, including the Vessel of Opportunity and Rapid Deployment Skimming Systems for oil spill clean up. Skimming systems are outfitted with the machinery that separates spilled oil from the water, stores the recovered oil, and then transfers it to an off-vessel storage facility. Keenan said a single skimming system can be set up in four hours, and if operated constantly, has a daily capacity of 1,200 barrels. Additionally, more than 90 personnel and three contracted offshore supply vessels are supporting the Coast Guard's oil response efforts.

"A team of NAVSEA professionals are working around the clock to protect the sensitive coast lined with oil booms and perform open ocean skimming at the source. NAVSEA's Chief Engineer for Underwater Salvage (Keenan) has been an integral member of BP's Engineering Command Cell that has assembled the best and brightest minds from around the world to try to stop the leak," said McCoy.

While the magnitude of this spill is unprecedented for this team, Keenan said SUPSALV personnel regularly operate their equipment at oil spill exercises around the world. He said in this type of an effort, safety standards are a key part of their operation. His team follows strict personal protection protocols and complete OSHA's Hazardous Waste Operations and Emergency Response training as a standard part of their training requirements.

SUPSALV has been the Navy's oil pollution experts since the 1970s, as required by the Federal Water Pollution Control Act. They provide technical, operational, and emergency support to the Navy, Department of Defense and other federal agencies in the ocean engineering disciplines of marine salvage, pollution abatement, diving, diving system certification, and underwater ship husbandry.

"The Navy is committed to protecting the environment while meeting its national security mission," said Keenan.

Enough. Maybe not. It should be all out war on this problem IMHO...but Involved and helping? Yes.
 

Jodi B. (28)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:20 am
Is BP trying to Cap the well or keep it flowing I thought this was interesting. Theories coming out of the Gulf Coast, people there have a long history of having worked with oil companies and many do not believe they are trying to cap the well. They want to siphon the oil off instead. They can easily claim it can not be capped so that they can siphon oil off and separate the oil and water later. They can still make money selling the oil. BP does not really have to care about our coasts when they could still make billions from the oil.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 9:40 am
"No compromise with me on Obama."

Obama was not your first choice if you had your druthers and thought McKinney could win...

"So, regardless what he really wants to do, there are some things he will have to compromise over, from the deals he has made. I wouldn't do that. McKinney wouldn't do that. But then again, those of us who wouldn't do it would have no chance of getting elected."

He got elected with the help of both of us compromising. We did that. And it worked if indeed you voted for Obama. Of course with the compromise come mixed blessings which taken as a whole still beat the alternative. This is the compromise spoken against here by some. So be it. We do what we think is right and live with our choices. I have voted my uncompromisable ideals before, with unsatisfactory result. So while some pat themselves on the back for voting for a never gonna win candidate, our worse case scenario of loss to a nightmare candidate may be realized in the non bargain. I didn't write the script we work from, but I can read.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 10:11 am
Great Post Jodi!

They may indeed have their eye on snatching profit from this disaster, regardless of our misery and and the toll we pay.... a Faustian bargain ratcheted up, and yet more callus, compounding that already done... We shall see. Nothing new about that in this system. We didn't prosecute Bush and Company so I have little faith in a justice or appropriate outrage from those who could do something. Reasons may be complex, but the end is the same.
 

Cam V. (417)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:31 am
That answered nothing Robert. Powell was not talking about 'containment'. He held the belief that your navy has the ability to shut the well down but BP is not allowing outsiders near it. Then again he is only one of your most experienced military leaders in America so what would he know anyway?

 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:36 am
Something consciously offered for Jill which argues against some of my own positions, but not all. I do listen and consider.

Posted on May 31, 2010

By Chris Hedges

The witch hunts against communists in the United States were used to silence socialists, anarchists, pacifists and all those who defied the abuses of capitalism. Those “anti-Red” actions were devastating blows to the political health of the country. The communists spoke the language of class war. They understood that Wall Street, along with corporations such as British Petroleum, is the enemy. They offered a broad social vision which allowed even the non-communist left to employ a vocabulary that made sense of the destructive impulses of capitalism. But once the Communist Party, along with other radical movements, was eradicated as a social and political force, once the liberal class took government-imposed loyalty oaths and collaborated in the witch hunts for phantom communist agents, we were robbed of the ability to make sense of our struggle. We became fearful, timid and ineffectual. We lost our voice and became part of the corporate structure we should have been dismantling.

Hope in this age of bankrupt capitalism will come with the return of the language of class conflict. It does not mean we have to agree with Karl Marx, who advocated violence and whose worship of the state as a utopian mechanism led to another form of enslavement of the working class, but we have to speak in the vocabulary Marx employed. We have to grasp, as Marx did, that corporations are not concerned with the common good. They exploit, pollute, impoverish, repress, kill and lie to make money. They throw poor families out of homes, let the uninsured die, wage useless wars to make profits, poison and pollute the ecosystem, slash social assistance programs, gut public education, trash the global economy, loot the U.S. Treasury and crush all popular movements that seek justice for working men and women. They worship only money and power. And, as Marx knew, unfettered capitalism is a revolutionary force that consumes greater and greater numbers of human lives until it finally consumes itself. The nightmare in the Gulf of Mexico is the perfect metaphor for the corporate state. It is the same nightmare seen in postindustrial pockets from the old mill towns in New England to the abandoned steel mills in Ohio. It is a nightmare that Iraqis, Pakistanis and Afghans, mourning their dead, live each day.

Capitalism was once viewed in America as a system that had to be fought. But capitalism is no longer challenged. And so, even as Wall Street steals billions of taxpayer dollars and the Gulf of Mexico is turned into a toxic swamp, we do not know what to do or say. We decry the excesses of capitalism without demanding a dismantling of the corporate state. The liberal class has a misguided loyalty, illustrated by environmental groups that have refused to excoriate the Obama White House over the ecological catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico. Liberals bow before a Democratic Party that ignores them and does the bidding of corporations. The reflexive deference to the Democrats by the liberal class is the result of cowardice and fear. It is also the result of an infantile understanding of the mechanisms of power. The divide is not between Republican and Democrat. It is a divide between the corporate state and the citizen. It is a divide between capitalists and workers. And, for all the failings of the communists, they got it.

Unions, organizations formerly steeped in the doctrine of class warfare and filled with those who sought broad social and political rights for the working class, have been transformed into domesticated partners of the capitalist class. They have been reduced to simple bartering tools. The social demands of unions early in the 20th century that gave the working class weekends off, the right to strike, the eight-hour day and Social Security have been abandoned. Universities, especially in political science and economics departments, parrot the discredited ideology of unregulated capitalism and have no new ideas. Artistic expression, along with most religious worship, is largely self-absorbed narcissism. The Democratic Party and the press have become corporate servants. The loss of radicals within the labor movement, the Democratic Party, the arts, the church and the universities has obliterated one of the most important counterweights to the corporate state. And the purging of those radicals has left us unable to make sense of what is happening to us.

The fear of communism, like the fear of Islamic terrorism, has resulted in the steady suspension of civil liberties, including freedom of speech, habeas corpus and the right to organize, values the liberal class claims to support. It was the orchestration of fear that permitted the capitalist class to ram through the Taft-Hartley Act in 1948 in the name of anti-communism, the most destructive legislative blow to the working class until the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). It was fear that created the Patriot Act, extraordinary rendition, offshore penal colonies where we torture and the endless wars in the Middle East. And it was fear that was used to see us fleeced by Wall Street. If we do not stop being afraid and name our enemy we will continue toward a state of neofeudalism.

The robber barons of the late 19th century used goons and thugs to beat up workers and retain control. The corporations, employing the science of public relations, have used actors, artists, writers, scholars and filmmakers to manipulate and shape public opinion. Corporations employ the college-educated, liberal elite to saturate the culture with lies. The liberal class should have defied the emasculation of radical organizations, including the Communist Party. Instead, it was lured into the corporate embrace. It became a class of collaborators. National cohesion, because our intellectual life has become so impoverished, revolves around the empty pursuits of mass culture, brands, consumption, status and the bland uniformity of opinions disseminated by corporate-friendly courtiers. We speak and think in the empty slogans and clichés we are given. And they are given to us by the liberal class.

The “idea of the intellectual vocation,” as Irving Howe pointed out in his essay “The Age of Conformity,” “the idea of a life dedicated to values that cannot possibly be realized by a commercial civilization—has gradually lost its allure. And, it is this, rather than the abandonment of a particular program, which constitutes our rout.” The belief that capitalism is the unassailable engine of human progress, Howe added, “is trumpeted through every medium of communication: official propaganda, institutional advertising and scholarly writings of people who, until a few years ago, were its major opponents.”

“The truly powerless people are those intellectuals—the new realists—who attach themselves to the seats of power, where they surrender their freedom of expression without gaining any significance as political figures,” Howe wrote. “For it is crucial to the history of the American intellectuals in the past few decades—as well as to the relationship between ‘wealth’ and ‘intellect’—that whenever they become absorbed into the accredited institutions of society they not only lose their traditional rebelliousness but to one extent or another they cease to function as intellectuals. The institutional world needs intellectuals because they are intellectuals but it does not want them as intellectuals. It beckons to them because of what they are but it will not allow them, at least within its sphere of articulation, either to remain or entirely cease being what they are. It needs them for their knowledge, their talent, their inclinations and passions; it insists that they retain a measure of these endowments, which it means to employ for its own ends, and without which the intellectuals would be of no use to it whatever. A simplified but useful equation suggests itself: the relation of the institutional world to the intellectuals is as the relation of middlebrow culture to serious culture, the one battens on the other, absorbs and raids it with increasing frequency and skill, subsidizes and encourages it enough to make further raids possible—at times the parasite will support its victim. Surely this relationship must be one reason for the high incidence of neurosis that is supposed to prevail among intellectuals. A total estrangement from the sources of power and prestige, even a blind unreasoning rejection of every aspect of our culture, would be far healthier if only because it would permit a free discharge of aggression.”

The liberal class prefers comfort to confrontation. It will not challenge the decaying structures of the corporate state. It is intolerant within its ranks of those who do. It clings pathetically to the carcass of the Obama presidency. It has been exposed as a dead force in American politics. We must find our way back to the old radicals, to the discredited Marxists, socialists and anarchists, including Dwight Macdonald and Dorothy Day. Language is our first step toward salvation. We cannot fight what we cannot describe.
 

Cam V. (417)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:45 am
America is not a bad country Robert. Your corrupt leaders are and they are in BOTH parties. We go round and round with this. The only way you will bring about real change in America is if you look for honest people to serve the public in office. All the long term government reps MUST go - start with John McCain.

The rest will fall as they already are ....
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:47 am
When he held up the vile at the UN, his expertise was trumped by something else, and in fact "Military leader" does not equal deep sea engineer. His words this time may have some validity. Maybe not.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:54 am
Honest people. HA. By your measure, that Palin, and with that your judgement is extremely suspect. Piss on your lecture as to what my country is or is not.
Simply replacing people with unknowns is not an answer in itself.
Its is deeper and more complex than that.
 

Marion Y. (322)
Monday May 31, 2010, 11:55 am
So the military is already on this, to a degree. Thanks Robert. I wouldn't listen to a thing Colin Powell says after he sold this country out. He needs to hide in a hole along with Bush, Cheney and the rest of those rats and pray they never get prosecuted for war crimes. Anything those criminals might say that has validity is lost on ears that have no faith in them whatsoever. They betrayed America and the world.

I wouldn't be surprised if BP is (still) lying to us and trying to capture the oil, Jodi. I had thought about this and a couple of other scenarios, one being that this well was intentionally allowed to explode. I find it highly suspicious that no other oil companies are coming to the rescue or have solutions, or that BP is exploring other alternatives to shut this well down. If BP is intentionally allowing this well to continue to spew to siphon off oil, why doesn't the Coast Guard and government know about this? I think they WOULD know about it. Those people in Louisiana who are making this claim aren't just blowing smoke. We will be hearing more about this. Thank you!

That answered alot, Robert. That cold wind blowing from up north is full of hot air that is about as well intentioned as a porcupine in a nudist colony.


 

Marion Y. (322)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:15 pm
OUTSTANDING article by Hedges! The right is trying the same old witch hunt today by accusing progressives and liberals of everything but what they actually are in order to demonize them with the ignorant, distracted, confused voters. I don't think the lies and fear tactics will work this time. This nation is sick of war, realizes the right wing doesn't care shyt about them, sees the grave damage corporations are doing to this nation, and is weary of the lies and manipulations. The time is ripe for a new radicalism based on social and environmental issues...and overturning a corrupt system. Thanks, Robert!
 

Just Carole (338)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:23 pm

TRUTH, Marion!
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:34 pm
That radical change is not represented by the (perhaps sometimes well meaning) but corporate funded Trojan horse "astro@root" Tea Party with its simplistic strangle government oversight and free up Corps to exploit us more doctrine of the dumbed down greedy and fearful who seek to establish a fifth column within the ranks of the exploited and sold out to once again work against its own interests in overthrowing the unfettered power of "the persons" with endlessly deep pockets and no social conscience or allegiance to country. Who has just been given to give unlimited money to elect its champions.
 

Jill P. (70)
Monday May 31, 2010, 12:37 pm
"The liberal class has a misguided loyalty, illustrated by environmental groups that have refused to excoriate the Obama White House over the ecological catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico. Liberals bow before a Democratic Party that ignores them and does the bidding of corporations. The reflexive deference to the Democrats by the liberal class is the result of cowardice and fear. It is also the result of an infantile understanding of the mechanisms of power. The divide is not between Republican and Democrat. It is a divide between the corporate state and the citizen. It is a divide between capitalists and workers."
AMEN!
Knowing this some of you feel we should still cling to the Democrats? Really? "Compromise" that gets you nothing.
some of you are talking about changing laws and making changes in how we do things in this country, but somehow feel it will happen by keeping the corporate candidates in office. Re-electing them over and over agian. How do you get change without changing your behavior? Your answer is of great interest to the psychology community. Behavior has to change in order to instill change.
but you think by electing the same bought out and paid for corporate candidates like Bush and Obama and McCain you can instill change with new laws that these corporate owned candidates will never pass or allow? How does that work.
no one answered my question about what wonderful things Obama has done FOR the American people, not TO them.
BTW where in the world did you get that corporations hate Obama? My God that is not even close. did you get it from FOX News? it sounds like one of their comic book stories.
Obama uses CEOs from corporations to help write these God awful Bills that congress passes and signs with one hand while accepting thier cash with the other.
CEOs from private insurance companies wrote the Obama helahtcare plan that has been thrust upon us. It is one of the worse pieces of legislation yet. it is going to plummet us ven further into the abyss. obama is fully aware of this. you think things are bad now? he has entrenched corporate control in government even more than before, if you can imagine that.
Corporations LOVE him. He is bed buddies with BP. He is still processing the paperwork for more offshore drilling while acting outraged at this nightmare.
Appreciate his acting skills, but don't make him our to be a champoin of the people. Not by any stretch of the imagination. Obama is a Thug just as much as Bush, and McCain. That is why he uses most of Bush's people. He wants experienced Thugs to do the job right.
 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 1:07 pm
Fox News?

Dear Newbie, For someone who admits to having only recently realized Corporate power. i.e., within our Government, your shrill condescension is both tiring presumptuous, childishly aggressive and churlish.

My source, for your consideration... as was my last post, in what may well be my last good will effort is here.

Op-Ed Columnist
The Old Enemies
By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: May 23, 2010

So here’s how it is: as mad as hell, and they’re not going to take this anymore. Am I talking about the Tea Partiers? No, I’m talking about the corporations.

Much reporting on opposition to the Obama administration portrays it as a sort of populist uprising. Yet the antics of the socialism-and-death-panels crowd are only part of the story of anti-Obamaism, and arguably the less important part. If you really want to know what’s going on, watch the corporations.

How can you do that? Follow the money — donations by corporate political action committees.
Look, for example, at the campaign contributions of commercial banks — traditionally Republican-leaning, but only mildly so. So far this year, according to The Washington Post, 63 percent of spending by banks’ corporate PACs has gone to Republicans, up from 53 percent last year. Securities and investment firms, traditionally Democratic-leaning, are now giving more money to Republicans. And oil and gas companies, always Republican-leaning, have gone all out, bestowing 76 percent of their largess on the G.O.P.

These are extraordinary numbers given the normal tendency of corporate money to flow to the party in power. Corporate America, however, really, truly hates the current administration. Wall Street, for example, is in “a state of bitter, seething, hysterical fury” toward the president, writes John Heilemann of New York magazine.

What’s going on?

One answer is taxes — not so much on corporations themselves as on the people who run them. The Obama administration plans to raise tax rates on upper brackets back to Clinton-era levels. Furthermore, health reform will in part be paid for with surtaxes on high-income individuals. All this will amount to a significant financial hit to C.E.O.’s, investment bankers and other masters of the universe.

Now, don’t cry for these people: they’ll still be doing extremely well, and by and large they’ll be paying little more as a percentage of their income than they did in the 1990s. Yet the fact that the tax increases they’re facing are reasonable doesn’t stop them from being very, very angry.
Nor are taxes the whole story.

Many Obama supporters have been disappointed by what they see as the administration’s mildness on regulatory issues — its embrace of limited financial reform that doesn’t break up the biggest banks, its support for offshore drilling, and so on. Yet corporate interests are balking at even modest changes from the permissiveness of the Bush era.

From the outside, this rage against regulation seems bizarre. I mean, what did they expect? The financial industry, in particular, ran wild under deregulation, eventually bringing on a crisis that has left 15 million Americans unemployed, and required large-scale taxpayer-financed bailouts to avoid an even worse outcome. Did Wall Street expect to emerge from all that without facing some new restrictions? Apparently it did.
So what President Obama and his party now face isn’t just, or even mainly, an opposition grounded in right-wing populism. For grass-roots anger is being channeled and exploited by corporate interests, which will be the big winners if the G.O.P. does well in November.

If this sounds familiar, it should: it’s the same formula the right has been using for a generation. Use identity politics to whip up the base; then, when the election is over, give priority to the concerns of your corporate donors. Run as the candidate of “real Americans,” not those soft-on-terror East coast liberals; then, once you’ve won, declare that you have a mandate to privatize Social Security. It comes as no surprise to learn that American Crossroads, a new organization whose goal is to deploy large amounts of corporate cash on behalf of Republican candidates, is the brainchild of none other than Karl Rove.

But won’t the grass-roots rebel at being used? Don’t count on it. Last week Rand Paul, the Tea Party darling who is now the Republican nominee for senator from Kentucky, declared that the president’s criticism of BP over the disastrous oil spill in the gulf is “un-American,” that “sometimes accidents happen.” The mood on the right may be populist, but it’s a kind of populism that’s remarkably sympathetic to big corporations.

So where does that leave the president and his party? Mr. Obama wanted to transcend partisanship. Instead, however, he finds himself very much in the position Franklin Roosevelt described in a famous 1936 speech, struggling with “the old enemies of peace — business and financial monopoly, speculation, reckless banking, class antagonism, sectionalism, war profiteering.”

And that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Roosevelt turned corporate opposition into a badge of honor: “I welcome their hatred,” he declared. It’s time for President Obama to find his inner F.D.R., and do the same.

 

Robert S. (115)
Monday May 31, 2010, 1:33 pm
More on Powell, assumptions of Military omnipotence and facts which oppose both.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/31/mike-mullen-oil-industry-_n_595206.html?ir=Daily%20Brief
 

Marion Y. (322)
Monday May 31, 2010, 1:34 pm
Another outstanding article, Robert. Krugman hones in on the madness from the right toward Obama. Corporations typically spread their contributions to both parties to appear nonbiased. But it's true, most of the contributions go to the right wing, with Mitch McConnell receiving the biggest handouts. And just because a politician receives a handout, doesn't mean he will fully support them, as can be seen with Obama.

Should the Repubs regain power, we will see: an escalation with the war in Afghanistan, war with Iran, offshore drilling with BP and other major oil companies like this nation has never seen, more deregulation, more raping of the planet in areas like South America and Africa, Fox News gone wild, social security and medicare tampered with or dissolved altogether, and a true fascist nation.

Those here who claim to be left wing are more of the crazed, fringe Tea Party gang than anything else. And this radical group is far, far right wing as it can go.