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Groundbreaking reports on US drone strikes by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the United Nations have renewed focus on the horror of remote-controlled warfare.



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Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:27 pm
 
Groundbreaking reports on US drone strikes by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the United Nations have renewed focus on the horror of remote-controlled warfare. Today, Medea Benjamin discovered there is already a $10 million yearly fund Congress has allocated for Pakistani drone victims, but shockingly, none of this money has actually reached them.
 
Sign this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, and tell her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve compensation!
 
During CODEPINK’s recent visit to Yemen, we met with drone strike victims and heard their heartbreaking stories. Listen to the story of the tragic death of Mohamed al-Qawli's brother Ali, and help us get financial support for Ali’s bereaved wife and children.
 
 
 

jan b. (3)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:43 pm
We already give Pakistan large payments of roughly $1 billion a year and that may have been as high as $3 billion a few years ago.
Hundreds of people in eastern Pakistan rampaged through a Christian neighborhood Saturday, torching dozens of homes after hearing reports that a Christian man had committed blasphemy against Islam's prophet (march 2013)
GIVE THEM NOTHING MORE. They even hid OBL for years. I'de rather use our drones than sacrifice anymore of OUR kids in battle. The ones who complain would never sign up for battle.
 

jan b. (3)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:46 pm
If I had to list the countries that pose the biggest threat to the US because they harbor terrorists it's YEMEN. When we use DRONES should we instead sacrifice more American kids on the ground.... and are you going to volunteer for that job.
People get killed in war---innocent people and it's too bad Yemen harbors terrorists....not our fault.
Personally I'd rather have my American warrior sitting in a room piloting a unmanned aircraft than carrying a gun in battle. I value our military's lives. Awlaki gave up his citizenship when he turned into a traitor-terrorist. YAY when a two-Year Manhunt Led to Killing of Awlaki in Yemen who would kill any one of you without any hestitation or remorse.
You don't want another 911 here.
 

Betsy Bee (1049)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:48 pm
Thank you, Carole. I am concerned about domestic use of drones. As our weapons become more sophisticated, our humanity deteriorates.
 

Judy C. (108)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:52 pm
Signed, #666, & Tweeted. Drone attacks are illegal, and should be banned. It is unconscionable that the innocent victims are not getting the funds allocated for them. WHERE is the money going? Thanks for posting this, Carol.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:53 pm

I agree, Betsy. That's why we can no longer stand by without saying anything.

These immortal words come to mind:


"In Germany, they came first for the Communists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews,
And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . .
And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
~Pastor Martin Niemöller

Even though this government is corrupt, we must go on record with our own disapproval of inhumanity.

 

Lisa Neste (704)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:57 pm
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation! Thanks Carole.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:57 pm

Good question, Judy!

This is not about how much money has already been spent in any one country . . . it's about the indecency of innocent citizens being murdered (as if by a video game) because they were collateral damage or mistakenly targeted.

Killing robotically does not infer that it is not murder -- any more than bombing a populated building by stealth. Loss of human life should always be a priority.

 

Judy C. (108)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 1:58 pm
Respectfully, Janice B., why does it have to be either/or? It needs to be "none of the above". We need to stay the hell out of the Middle East and stop destabilizing the governments there. Our biggest security threat is ourselves, via the military industrial complex.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:00 pm
Already signed earlier, thx again Carole! The govt. certainly owes more explanation and I guess they have not revealed the true numbers of civilian casualties. I also guess they will NEVER have the insight that more drone strikes produce more potential threat to the US. Violence creates violence, let's hope the world's leaders will understand this one day.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:02 pm
Signed in email
Thanks Carole
 

JL A. (275)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:03 pm
signed earlier, noted now--thanks for posting Carole!
 

Angelika R. (143)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:06 pm
My recommendation for Janice-educate yourself about 9/11 truth, there are enough good websites.
 

AniMae Chi (413)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:28 pm
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!

# 804
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:56 pm

It's sad.

Increasingly, I have come to realize that so many humans have succumbed to self-serving propaganda that they have become insensitively inhumane.

[shaking head]

 

Pat B. (354)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 2:56 pm
Thank you, Carole for this. Definitely signed.!!
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:15 pm
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!

I agree Judy, why must it be an either or. We need to stop being an Imperialistic Nation and take care of our own. You care about your citizens then stand up to this Drone Warfare that is only making us more enemies than it is so called helping prevent.

But don't take my word on it, many experts agree, even those in our military.

“Admiral Dennis Blair, the former director of National Intelligence was quoted in the New York Times: "While drone attacks did help reduce the Qaeda leadership in Pakistan,” he said, “they also increased hatred of America.” He said the drone has also damaged “our ability to work with Pakistan in eliminating Taliban sanctuaries, encouraging Indian-Pakistani dialogue, and making Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal more secure.”

Michael Boyle, who was on Obama's counter-terrorism group in the run-up to his election in 2008, said "The US administration's growing reliance on drone technology was having "adverse strategic effects that have not been properly weighed against the tactical gains associated with killing terrorists … The vast increase in the number of deaths of low-ranking operatives has deepened political resistance to the US program in Pakistan, Yemen and other countries."

Gen. James E. Cartwright, the former vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and a favored adviser during Mr. Obama’s first term, expressed concern that America’s aggressive campaign of drone strikes could be undermining long-term efforts to battle extremism. ‘We’re seeing that blowback. If you’re trying to kill your way to a solution, no matter how precise you are, you’re going to upset people even if they’re not targeted.’”

"We are not generating good will in these operations," said Emile Nakhleh Senior CIA Analyst... We might target radicals and potential radicals, but unfortunately...other things and other people are being destroyed or killed. So, in the long run ... these operations will not necessarily help to deradicalize potential recruits ..."

The list is endless of those who are experts in their field agreeing to the fact that the drones do more harm than good. Thank you Carole for what you are doing. I'm tired of people who think we don't care about the military sons and daughters of this Country or our Country in general simply because we don't back misguided policies, like drones.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:23 pm

Brava, Sheryl!

Take care of home first.

The fact that our country's fiscal budget is annually comprised of over one-half of it intended for imperialistic and exceptionalist kowtows to military interventions -- while increasingly decreasing assistance for struggling American citizens should sound a DEAFENING alert to the compromised values of our so-called leaders.

We did not, with intention, elect and pay for a government representative of the highest bidders and campaign supporters (corporations).


 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:31 pm

Worse?

It irritates me to no end when I picture the "fat cats," sitting back with their co-conspirators, laughing and ridiculing the naivety of the public, because they actually bought their outlandish claims by attaching them to adages that they, themselves, do not embrace.

Yes, people, even with the knowledge available, STILL post signs and slap on bumper stickers saying that they support our troops (our OWN children) because they are protecting our freedoms . . . when that is, most definitely, the opposite of what is happening!

WAKE UP!

 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (275)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:37 pm
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:44 pm

Thank you, Rose.

I so admire your heartfelt championing of human rights.

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 3:48 pm

(Oddly, I just realized that Care2's Thought For the Day mirrors this thinking:

"We cannot solve the problems that we have created with the same thinking that created them."

- Albert Einstein, physicist")
 

Yvonne White (232)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 4:07 pm
Signed!:)
 

Mandi T. (429)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 4:12 pm
ank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!
 

Naoko I. (262)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:04 pm
Noted and signed.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:13 pm
If you can't get to Obama Care online you can contact them by drone err I mean phone.
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:16 pm

Hehehe, Sandrea!

 

Lyn Z. (293)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:29 pm
Thanks "again" Carole = Signed earlier today!!
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:41 pm

[chuckle]

You're welcome, Lyn. As you know, I don't post many submissions (maybe one a month), but it just so happened that this came into my email, and I couldn't NOT broadcast it.

Thanks, my friend.

 

Angelene B. (145)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 5:44 pm
signed
 

Beverly M. (85)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 6:02 pm
Happily noted and signed ~ thank you Carole!
 

Robert O. (12)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 6:06 pm
Have definitely signed. Thanks Carole.
 

Franshisca Dearmas (91)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 6:27 pm
Noted and signed. TY Just Carole
 

Donn M. (1)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 7:01 pm
I agree Janice b. If the Pakistanis would bother to take care of the terrorists in their midst we wouldn't need drone strikes to take them out. Let the Pakistanis make payments if they want.
 

Richard Zane Smith (86)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 7:10 pm
thanks Carole for bringing this to our attention (signed!)
 

Ros G. (92)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 8:37 pm
Thanks Carole..signed with pleasure...some people - just don't get it.........until the shoe is on the other foot......then they scream blue murder...not wishing anything to happen to the good people of America to prove a point.
 

A F. (132)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 8:50 pm
signed and noted, thanks!
 

Vicky P. (466)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 8:55 pm
noted, signed earlier dear from my email, shared in groups on facebook :)
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 8:59 pm
This was on the newscast from Amy Goodman's Democracy Now for October 23, 2013

"How Do You Justify Killing a Grandmother?" Amnesty Says U.S. Drone Strikes
May Be War Crimes

LINK:
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/23/how_do_you_justify_killing_a

Petitions signed.

Ty, "C".
.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 9:06 pm
Amnesty International Petition to sign: LINK:

http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/ActionItem.aspx?c=6oJCLQPAJiJUG&b=6645049&aid=520366

TY, "C".
.
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 9:57 pm
noted and signed
 

Judy C. (108)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 10:25 pm
Signed your petition, Jim. Thanks.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 10:43 pm
Petitions signed.

When Malala Yousafzai was at the White House recently, she brought up the topic of
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 10:46 pm
continuation . . . seems I was cut off

Drone Attacks in Pakistan. Drone attacks are only serving to alienate the US in Pakistan and make the Taliban stronger.
 

Rosemary Rannes (634)
Wednesday October 23, 2013, 11:59 pm
i'm sick but i've signed thanks my Seestah!
 

Michael Carney (211)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 12:16 am
Noted, and signed!!!
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (385)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 12:26 am
Noted and signed. Thanks.
 

Fran F. (114)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 12:31 am
I don't see how drone attacks could NOT be considered a war crime, especially attacks on civilians. Gladly signed and noted, thanks, Carole. And thanks to Jim for the Amnesty petition link, also signed.
 

Edwin M. (366)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 2:33 am
Signed, thank you Carole
 

Dimitris Dallis (2)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 3:11 am
Thank you all :)
 

Arild Warud (166)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 3:22 am
Signed and shared "C".
 

Emma S. (227)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:03 am
Done! Thanks, Carole.
 

Ben Oscarsito (316)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:53 am
Done!
 

AniMae Chi (413)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:55 am
Jim's petition;
This action has already been taken by you before.
 

AniMae Chi (413)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:56 am
Flagged the SPAM
 

Birgitta S. (230)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 5:33 am
KIITOS; CAROLE ~~
 

. (0)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:11 am
Signed and noted. Thanks for sharing, Carole. These drone attacks are terrible.
 

Natasha Salgado (541)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:31 am
Thx Carole-signed.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:50 am
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation!
Shared on FB, thanks Carole
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 8:39 am
 
Hotlinks for article/petition mentioned in Jim's comments above:
 
Amnesty International petition:
 
President Obama & Congress: Why was grandmother Mamana Bibi killed with a drone?
 
Democracy Now article (with video):
 
"How Do You Justify Killing a Grandmother?"
 
 
 
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 8:56 am
Gladly signed. Drone attacks are horrific, they cannot be specific. They can only think they are. Our insane fear does not justify killing people around the world simply because we think someone we don't like is there. If we can't capture and try criminals or terrorists, they we can't. Murder is NOT the hallmark of a society that prides itself on freedom. Assassinations are NOT the sign of a civil society. We are not the world's policeman nor should we be. Note these attacks take place in areas and countries that cannot possibly harm us themselves. We don't do drone attacks in Europe where many terrorists can be found, or in China or any place that might take severe umbrage at our violation of their territory and citizens. What we do is what bullies do, pick on the weak, this makes us moral cowards. Ask those countries to arrest and extradite. If they don't and we find some person wanted for crimes against our country and have a warrant for their arrest and find them someplace we can arrest them, we do that and try them. That is how a civil society should behave. Foreign policy by drone is terrorism in itself, it makes us no better than those we kill. We have nor moral right to be judge, jury and executioner against people who have not even been proven guilty of anything in a courtroom. And then, to top it off, by not paying reparations to innocents harmed by our policies, well, like I said, bullies and moral cowards is what that makes us. We are better than that or we certainly should be. Where is the religious outrage over this murder most foul? Thou shalt not kill. Isn't hard to understand at all. It means you may not murder others. We should not be in that business ever.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 9:04 am

WELL SAID, GENE!

You're right. This should be an easy call for anyone with a conscience. It's not that complicated; and there is NO acceptable justification.

Using drones is an action of the highest degree of cowardice and disrespect for human life.

 

Ann W. (237)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 9:13 am
Noted, signed both petitions and shared. Thank you Carole and Jim.
 

Ben Oscarsito (316)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 9:36 am
1,939 have signed. Now, let's make that 10,000 for a start!
 

Carla van der Meer (506)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 10:24 am
Signed and noted.
 

Davida P. (283)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 11:20 am
Also signed, Thanks Carole :-)
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 11:23 am
I'm so tired of these 0 friends hide behind a frog people who come onto threads and dump their trash then leave.

The heartlessness behind the statement truly sickens. You do a disservice to your own citizens and your own family with such ill thought out and harsh words.

You did not even read the many military experts that I left comment on so that you might of learned. Do your own research beyond that. No, you leaped onto this thread with your preconceived propaganda and left. I would not of even minded had you debated points upon this thread.

Over and over again I see the Corporate Greedy Ones come up with their talking points and place them on the airways and people take it and run. The paid mouthpieces to spout of the same propaganda and drill it into the heads of those who like short bursts of information that most times has no truth behind it.

Just like the Michael Moore movie that went into depth about the Health Care System, that is neither healthy nor caring, and before too many people could watch it, the FOR PROFIT Plutocrats went into action to spin what a nut he was, that people don't get good service in their Countries and a host of other lies that still roam around the masses. That one of the CEO's who was part of this campaign to discredit Michael Moore has since come on the air and apologized in public to Michael for having done so. His name is Wendell Potter, but the Corporate Media won't hype that up now will they?

We are in a mess in this Country because of the fools sitting in Washington DC that placate to the Corporate and the Bankers, but it's the many ill informed who keep voting them back in and then come around and drop their ignorance onto the threads. YOU keep us in the messes. Get educated PLEASE!
 

Birgit W. (147)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 2:39 pm
Signed.
 

Lois Jordan (56)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 3:40 pm
Think I signed this one since I get CODEPINK mailings, but signed again to be sure. I'm SO against drones! Also signed the petition posted by Jim P. for Amnesty..Thanks, Jim...thanks for the hotlinks, Carole.....and also Many Thanks for posting!
Wish I could remember who sent me another mailing earlier today, that sent a letter to Pres. Obama, asking him to stop the drone strikes. I inserted a message reminding him of Malala's statement regarding the drone strikes creating more anger, violence & terrorism. I've also been sharing these to spread the word and gain more signatures. We've got to stop these horrible drones.
 

Angelika R. (143)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:01 pm
As implied above earlier, I'm afraid your prez is so in love with his drones that he won't ever give up on it -until maybe one not so "surgical" strike hits his own head in error ..
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 4:01 pm

Bless your caring heart, Lois!

 

Jamie Clemons (282)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:25 pm
Our nation has lost its principals. There is no longer any rule of law when the people in charge can break international laws and ignore human rights and ignore the constitution. When we lower ourselves to bombing innocent civilians we become the terrorist. There is no justification for it.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:32 pm

Exactly, Jamie!!!!

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 6:56 pm

What repeatedly resonates to me is the hypocrisy of the American government's behaviors versus the history and mindset Americans were educated to believe was the credo of American spirit: justice, freedom, recognition of rights, and the laws established to protect them . . . but, most of all, the ideal that, in a democracy, the majority of the citizens' opinions are recognized -- and that is done so with transparency!

If I sound extremely disappointed and disgusted . . . it's because I AM!!!

 

Past Member (0)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 9:13 pm
Why do they deserve compensation? I think the mindset of most Americans would agree with me.
 

Dandelion G. (380)
Thursday October 24, 2013, 9:38 pm
During a panel discussion Tuesday at Yeshiva University entitled "Will Jews Exist? Iran, Assimilation and the Threat to Israel and Jewish Survival," Adelson, a staunch American conservative and supporter of Israel, said there is no negotiating with Iran. The country needs to know the United States has a zero-tolerance policy.

A harmless warning shot to the desert — in the form of a nuclear missile — is the United States' only hope of persuading Iran to halt its nuclear program, says billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson.

If that doesn't work, he said, another missile should be sent to annihilate Tehran.

Heck why not. If these other Countries less than us don't do as we say, blow them up. After all we are the Arrogant Ones, the Heartless Greedy Ones so let us just Launch missiles into Syria, matters not if the USA has more chemicals than they and have used them. Create wars on lies and kill half million of their citizens and leave the DU behind causing untold birth defects for unforeseen years, can't be any worse than the Agent Orange in Viet Nam or dropping those other nuclear bombs on Japans cities even though historical records show Japan was getting ready to surrender. Hey, those weapons were made them, got to use them, try them out.

And there is an audience clapping afterwards when Sheldon Adelson made the above statement of nuclear bombs in the desert of Iran just recently. Just like others cheer and clap to have people go without health care or to cut back the Food Stamps. Adelson a big backer of the right wing who backs a lot of the crazy ideas all being inflicted upon the masses. The bullies who shut down the Government when they don't get their way or or talk so easily about launching nuclear bombs.

Just like the past eh? Little changes except we've gone from spears, gatling gun,s canons , to nukes. From Columbus and his men with the spearing of babies and smashing their heads on the rocks or feeding them to their dogs (and even a Federal day off to remember this fine sort of Maniac), to the lies, rape, burning of the American Indian villages and the many massacre's across the land. The Arrogant Heartless Greedy Ones that take whatever they want right up to seeing others as less than and dropping nuclear bombs on entire cities. Too many in the masses think this is all find and dandy from napalm, DU, fracking, mountaintops blown off, oil in our water, toxins in our foods, sure I can see why......who gives two craps about some Pakistani that their child might of been killed......that is right isn't it Donn M or whoever the heck you are. Yes, they don't see it our way by golly tough too bad. What is owed them. They don't matter.....it never matters does it. Oh, if it is YOU it matters....

After all as Janice said:
"People get killed in war---innocent people and it's too bad Yemen harbors terrorists....not our fault."

Never anyone's fault, just go on killing and launching missiles or nuclear bombs, just toss those around like it was nothing, right after the olive branch was extended, and wonder why someone might not believe the forked tongues or might be angry at an Imperialistic Country........

Oh I got to get away from this thread, the more I think of how many people that are out there that think exactly like this the sadder I get. Sigh.
 

Inge Bjorkman (143)
Friday October 25, 2013, 1:18 am
Stop war, let the people be left alone.
killing people with drone, how cowardly is that?

Make Peace not war
 

Ros G. (92)
Friday October 25, 2013, 3:14 am
Thanks Dandelion..interesting read your last post especially this paragraph "A harmless warning shot to the desert — in the form of a nuclear missile — is the United States' only hope of persuading Iran to halt its nuclear program, says billionaire casino mogul Sheldon Adelson."
This is the same man who "owns the Israeli daily newspaper Israel HaYom, and who stated in a Wall Street Journal op-ed, "I Didn't Leave the Democrats. They Left me", Adelson specifies three reasons why he switched political parties. First, he cites foreign policy, pointing to a Gallup poll that suggests Republicans are more supportive of Israel than Democrats.[24]" Reference source Wikipedia.... Dandelion..I can truly understand how you feel...
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday October 25, 2013, 6:15 am

Thanks, Sheryl . . . but I don't even waste my time attempting to talk to those people. The fact that they don't even read the information provided before pronouncing their pre-formed opinion is proof that they're not open to really trying to understand an opposing view.

(Did you ever notice how they often deflect by asking questions when the answers are either in the other comments or within the article already?)

 

Dandelion G. (380)
Friday October 25, 2013, 6:59 am
Yes I do Carole, notice their deflection so on and so forth and normally I don't bite emotionally but leave facts to counter balance, but it just got to me this time. Got typo's and everything in my last comment for it just crawled under my skin and being activist for so many years I try not to let it slice me that way. I can't run the long haul if I did, I would of collapsed under the sheer weight of it all back in the seventies if not even sooner.

I just keep thinking of my own little grandchild and thinking if some "terrorist" of whom we don't know if they are or not, they don't get to have a trial or day in court, the battlefield is where-ever the Leaders of this Country so choose on any given day. But if some other Country, say China should think someone they don't like lives in the apartment below me, they could just send a drone over and take out that apartment. And gee too bad that some little child that has nothing to do with it just happens to live upstairs that this killing machine must go through to get to the one's below.

For all the person controlling the drone knows not if the one they seek may of even moved out the day before and some other innocent family has moved in. Everyone made to think we have some fine tuning hits that the drone can sit outside their window and aim at only the one they want. Death from the sky, silent, no chance to get away, no knowledge one is even in a war zone. Then people come on to the thread and speak from such a cruel place, like who cares, serves them right. I mean even monetary compensation is little, after all they lost their loved one and no amount can bring them back.

And do not think that the military is being spared with this drone warfare, there are studies coming out that those who fly these drones are having emotional problems that is affecting their mental health, family life, their work and they are getting no help for this. So if some of the citizens don't care about someone in some other Country outside the USA perhaps they should start caring at least for their own citizens....or is that too much to ask. Too many sitting inside their little bubbles......hey all is fine with me so what is the problem, eh?

Thank you Ros, there are many who do understand as you say, but I'm afraid they stay too silent, and far too many who are the bullies have no issue throwing their words and weight around, so too many listen to them. We do ourselves injustice by being too silent.....Silence is not always golden.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday October 25, 2013, 10:33 am

 
Sheryl (and others), thought you'd be interested in this story from Democracy Now:
 
A Drone Warrior's Torment: Ex-Air Force Pilot Brandon Bryant on His Trauma from Remote Killing
We look at how the United States uses drones in war, and their impact, through the eyes of one of the first U.S. drone operators to speak out. Former U.S. Air Force pilot Brandon Bryant served ...

 

Dandelion G. (380)
Friday October 25, 2013, 11:14 am
Thank you Carole.
High Level of Burnout in US Drone Pilots
 

BarbCat SunshineLady (1662)
Friday October 25, 2013, 4:07 pm
Thank you for signing this petition to Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, Senator Mikulski, telling her that civilian drone victims in both Yemen and Pakistan deserve and need compensation! Please share this petition with your friends on Twitter and on Facebook!

Action taken! TYSM Carole!!
 

Julian Robert Gonzalez (112)
Friday October 25, 2013, 6:45 pm
Compensation first by stopping drone attacks, then adjusting current allocations to unfriendly government and not increasing more and new expenditures. Take money from current give-aways and give money to Vets, Seniors, Disabled and all Americans first.
 

Scott haakon (4)
Friday October 25, 2013, 8:12 pm
NOPE. Truth is that Pakistani government knew and approved. It is just to get US money. Time to look at the problems but the Paki government does not control all of the country. They do not have the military power to defeat the northern tribes.
 

Ros G. (92)
Friday October 25, 2013, 10:39 pm
Funny boy..Scott...just like others report that the "US Government knew about 9/11" and "Pearl Harbour". Maybe you should run as a Pakistani Politician..show them where they're lacking..and if it's just to get US money well, they deserve it. Keep your drones at home..then the International Community won't scrutinize you.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday October 26, 2013, 4:17 am

I think we have a couple of people here who are missing the point of this article.

Whether the U.S. and Pakistan knew and approved . . . or if the U.S. has given Pakistan money . . . I (and others here) object to the indiscriminate use of drones for ANY side! Speaking for myself, I don't make decisions such as war weapons to be used -- and neither do the innocent victims (largely women and children) in the countries where they are being utilized.

The fact that this issue is being challenged as a violation of International Law by several experts, and other countries have strongly criticized their use for "targeted killing," is an indication that it is viewed as a crime against humanity.

If a citizen strongly objects to his/her country using their tax dollars illegally they very well SHOULD confront their government.

 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday October 26, 2013, 6:20 am

One more thing . . .

Following is the text of the letter to be sent (in case some people haven't read it):

"Dear Senator Mikulsi,

I was shocked to learn that there is a US compensation fund set up for drone strike victims in Pakistan, but none of the victims have actually been getting any of the money. Paying for loss of life, medical assistance, and property damage is the least we can do in Pakistan and in Yemen, where our drones are terrorizing local populations and spreading anti-American sentiment.

As Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee, we urge you to make sure that funds allocated for Pakistani drone victims actually reach their intended recipients, and that a new fund be created to compensate civilian drone victims in Yemen.

Signed,"

Since "there [already] is a US compensation fund set up for drone strike victims in Pakistan, but none of the victims have actually been getting any of the money . . ." then, obviously, the Senate agreed to set those funds aside for that use.

I think it's incumbent upon the Chairwoman of the Senate Appropriations Committee (Mikulsi) to provide an explanation as to when that will happen, and if not, what that money was spent on.

 

Ros G. (92)
Saturday October 26, 2013, 4:34 pm
Dear Carole,

It's been a while since I've written to you privately and I suppose maybe this should be private as well but for those still following this thread, they might just get a little insight into what's has just happened here in Australia. It is like you said "a couple are just missing the point" but that translates into millions around the world..the real point that they are missing is that hatred is a disease that spreads and when it is condoned by Governments it spreads even quicker.. everyone becomes a target for this hate.. our new Government is taking on similar words/phrases to some of your Politicians about "illegals" etc the target is refugees from the Middle East and elsewhere. Yesterday on a street of one of our most prestige, multicultural suburbs in Sydney, Bondi, was the scene of an appalling, despicable attacked...haven't come across this sort attack since I can remember..it wasn't young groups of testosterone charged morons fighting each other to prove a point..but it was young thugs that attacked a family of five leaving a Synagogue..the feeling of the "right to hate" at work. This is what is being promoted around the world..it's okay to hate because they hate us..and that makes it all right then. There have been arrests and it will be interesting to hear the reasons behind this attack. I'm sorry that my news isn't cheery and uplifting...it's been a horrendous fortnight for my State..and as the bushfires subside..another fire is being feulled in the name of hatred......don't we lose enough in our everyday lives that is so precious without all this. Take care my dear Friend

Peace and happiness to you and yours

Ros
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday October 26, 2013, 11:34 pm

I recently read a quote from Chris Hedges:

"We now live in a nation where doctors destroy health; lawyers destroy justice; universities destroy knowledge; governments destroy freedom; the press destroys information; religion destroys morals; and our banks destroy the economy."

So sadly true . . . and frightening.

While I am, by no means, a doomsday prophet, it is clear that, as long as the only answer to conflicting opinions is extreme violence -- not just to those in the armed forces, but now, even innocent women, children, the elderly, the maimed are subject to be so easily deemed to be a "terrorist."

(Kind of hypocritical, when that accuser is a major player in invading other countries and -- without trial or even arrest -- can be summarily tagged by those in authority with that label . . . rendering them guilty and subject to a targeted assassination.)

Nothing good can come from this. We, as a worldwide people, are devolving to the days of ancient Romans and Greeks. Our children are the new gladiators, performing for a spectator audience. But worse, like the gladiators -- and even their victims -- they are anonymous to anyone but their closest loved ones.



 

Dandelion G. (380)
Sunday October 27, 2013, 5:45 am
I too saw those words by Chris Hedges and I wish more would hear his voice and resonate with his words.

There are a few others quotes that can pertain to this thread. Thank you also Carole for speaking out, your wise words are missed upon the many threads.

“What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or in the holy name of liberty or democracy?” Mahatma Gandhi

"We live now in an era where normal values have been displaced. The good is called bad, the bad – good." Anna Politkovskaya Assassinated Russian journalist, writer and human rights activist
 

Alicia N. (87)
Sunday October 27, 2013, 9:08 pm
Gladly done my dear.
 

Rhonda W. (390)
Monday October 28, 2013, 4:05 pm
signed and noted
 

Roxy H. (337)
Saturday November 9, 2013, 6:22 pm
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