Wednesday August 15, 2012, 3:09 pm
This was not Marino’s first trip to Michigan. In February, she was arrested in Florida and extradited to Detroit to face contempt of court charges after she violated a judge’s order that she remove all references to O’Leary from her site and refrain from discussing him on social media. She was released on bond in early March and had been due in court yesterday morning for a hearing, which was postponed after she and her attorney parted ways (according to court papers, they were “unable to communicate concerning strategy”).

Read entire article at site..

Wednesday August 15, 2012, 3:49 pm
Thanks for the article.

Wednesday August 15, 2012, 4:47 pm
People should be against animal testing but..you can't condone violence against scientists..that's just wrong and voids your point

Wednesday August 15, 2012, 6:21 pm
Maggie.. We certainly are all entitled to our opinions..

Vicky..I absolutely agree not condoning any violence whatsoever..and yes it certainly does not help in any way..

Wednesday August 15, 2012, 8:24 pm
I understand how she feels because it is horrible the sadistic experiments that animals are subjected to every minute of every day. However, I don't think violence is very effective in stopping the use of live animals in labs. We need to change the laws that permit absolutely ANYTHING to be done to a living creature that feels pain just like humans do. I think it is more effective to get undercover footage so that people can see for themselves what goes on in labs around the world.

Wednesday August 15, 2012, 9:50 pm
Thank you Dee!

Thursday August 16, 2012, 9:02 am
Hi Kristi..You know I can think of many times my blood has boiled at the thought of an animal/child/elder ever being harmed and hurt..I arbor abuse of any kind..But I can also say I have never once had the feeling or thought to do some of the things this woman is and has been capable of doing..

And more importantly what she has done has not done a damn thing to stop or help anyone..I have no respect whatsoever for those that threaten the lives either verbally or physically..They are nothing cowards.and very foolish ones at that...

Medical testing is needed..I hope with all of my heart..someday very soon..the need to test on animals and or humans will end and they will find a better way..Until then..well having two children..two grandsons..many loved one..both friends and family..and even pets..that benefit from the testing..to me that is a good thing..I put my children..and family/friends first..and always will..

It is not just animals that are tested on..I myself have been through countless clinical trials for the wellness of myself and for others down the road..I assure you none of those tests were pleasant to say the very least..In the end..some have helped..some have hindered..

As I have said before one day they will look back on chemo treatments even and realize how barbaric they were..Til then..we do what we have to do..not just for ourselves but for all..

Thursday August 16, 2012, 9:24 am
Great Comments all...I agree! Not the right way to handle things and sadly it just gets the wrong side exposed to what we as people that try to stop this horror to our creatures on this earth (in a peaceful way) ...thus give all of us already a foot out the door with people saying we are extremeists (sp).

Thursday August 16, 2012, 9:26 am
BTW....I firmly believe there are people in Jail that should be tested on never innocent animals...some people want pain...let them have it and let these creatures alone, since they have no choice and just suffer in silence and in a cage of HELL!

Thursday August 16, 2012, 2:29 pm
Yes, Mm! Let's use the people who are in prison especially those who are serving time for mistreating animals! Dee, I think, most testing on animals is completely unnecessary. Quite often, they have repeated the same tests over and over for years. I've seen some pretty horrific pictures of lab animals and I would guess, that this animal loving woman just wants to draw attention to the suffering. It just isn't the way to go about it.Violence never changes minds.

Thursday August 16, 2012, 2:38 pm
This woman doesn't upset me nearly as much as reading about the horrific experiments that go on in high schools, colleges and cosmetic companies. I remember when I lived in Indianapolis many years ago and Dow Chemical ran an ad in the newspaper wanting kittens. I was a teenager and I remember asking my mother, "What would they want with kittens?" This was the first time that I heard anything about animal testing.I was shocked!

Thursday August 16, 2012, 3:13 pm
Kristi ~ Good to see you my friend! I have seen some horrific things go on for so many years and actually got involved in the late 1970's objecting to testing on animals for humans. Yes...Test on the Animal Abusers...SOOOO works for me!

Thursday August 16, 2012, 8:20 pm
Thanks for caring about animals so much, Mm M!

Thursday August 16, 2012, 10:12 pm
She is very extreme !
The Science & Medical research community has to find a better way to test w/out animals .
Many people that are suffering are eager to be part of clinical trials , The delays & red tape that hinder
clinical trials need to for many be fast tracked , Certainly not all , But many .

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:50 am
Noted - sorry, I just feel I could do the same thing. I get so bloody angry that I could actually kill without batting an eyelid. It is not her they should lock up but the despicable monsters that abuse animals - yet they get off scott free.

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:27 am
Noted. I completly understand this lady's anger, but being seen to be violent will not win people over to your cause.

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:31 am
"hate watch"? give me a break.

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:58 am
Laws have to be passed in order to get any results but this women, in her extreme actions, does call the public attention to the horrible experiments performed on helpless animals and so animal lovers and supporters grow in numbers day by day.

Friday August 17, 2012, 11:27 am
LMAO gimme a break, Camille Marino is a HERO i and MANY others support not only her message but everything she and ALL animal liberators are FORCED to do to save animal from extreme suffering i invite all to check out negotiation is over and see who " THE REAL CRIMINALS ARE"! i also gave very generously to her legal team!As did many others! Thanks for the poost @Dee its nice to see you posting!

Friday August 17, 2012, 12:24 pm
woww

Friday August 17, 2012, 12:44 pm
Personally - I like a moderate road, and think of all the many animal activists and organizations that have been working hard for years to get legislation passed to end what is fraudelent tax paying sucking money to use animals in research and experiments. Another bright flash - there are superior non-animal methods available ! But years and years pass, and animals continue to be exploited, tortured, killed and discarded like garbage. So Kudos Camille !

Friday August 17, 2012, 1:21 pm
supportcamille.org i continue to give in order to fight those who want to silence the warriors for the voiceless. she was charged with stalking even though she had never set foot in the state where the abuser lives. and even when she was finally extradicted and released on bond, she didn't go straight to his office. she chained herself to the doors of the campus library. the animal rights movement does not promote the killing of people (obviously, because nobody is dead). it promotes liberation and free speech.

Friday August 17, 2012, 1:22 pm
ps. this is old news. she's being bonded out, if she's not out already. and i wouldn't trust the southern poverty law center if my life depended on it.

Friday August 17, 2012, 1:26 pm
and if you think testing is still necessary, then offer up your dog or cat.

Friday August 17, 2012, 1:29 pm
*extradited

Friday August 17, 2012, 1:57 pm
I agree with Mm M, there are so many criminals in jails why not use them and leave the innocent animals ALONE!!

Friday August 17, 2012, 2:11 pm
"Her and her kind are not soldiers, they are not activists. THEY ARE TERRORISTS. The cause doesn't matter one bit. It is their actions that tell us what they are. FRY HER, just like they should do to ALL terrorists of every sort."

Exactly Christopher..you deserve a million stars for your post..
So good to see those that are against these creeps and criminals..I can't wait until her court date in November..I sincerely hope they throw the book at her..

Friday August 17, 2012, 2:14 pm
Should anyone choose to throw their money away on this criminal..go for it..Knock yourselves out.,must be nice to have money to throw away..lol..

Friday August 17, 2012, 3:50 pm
continuer la lutte en faveur des animaux

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:20 pm
What did she do that was violent? She had a protest scheduled and chained herself to a fence. I don't disagree with her philosophy and I am a big fan of Steven Best, who supports her. I am also a big fan of the Animal Liberation Front who has been known to break the law to help animals in research labs.

If we really want to stop the systematic torture of animals for what I consider to be unnecessary and immoral "medical research" it might require the occasional breaking of laws. I have the utmost respect for those who are willing to put their freedom on the line for what they believe in. And I believe that animal abuse for any reason is morally wrong and should be ended by any means necessary.

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:20 pm
Yes fly by night cowardly past member..

Indeed.. continue the fight for animals..just do it legally and right..or go to jail..

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:25 pm
Ahh..Here we go now all of the sock puppets will be crawling out of their holes to show their ignorance..

janet f. just joined on August 15th 2012..

Do they think people are stupid..Seriously..

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:38 pm
This subject reminds me of Palestine and Israel People who believe in animal testing have their reasons and will not change
Those who are against also have their reasons and will not change .
Animal rights movements and many others are growing all over the world so hopefully they will find another way very soon.
I must agree i would love it to be legalized to test on child killers Pedophiles and the like
Nothing can ever be accomplished on a thread like this only anger as both sides feel so strongly
In the past I have seen many threads like this end so badly

Friday August 17, 2012, 4:43 pm
To Dee C:

If you're going to make snide remarks you should learn how to read first. I joined on Aug 15, 2010 and I have been regularly commenting on animal rights articles on this site ever since. I haven't seen your name commenting too often about animal abuse.

You and I disagree on this subject. I'm not going to change your mind and you certainly won't change mine. Now move along and find some other people to annoy.

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:06 pm
Oh goodness..janet F..I certainly do apologize to you..I indeed made a mistake on the date you joined..and I did speak out of turn on it..I am truly sorry for that..

The above past member really annoyed me..not that it is an excuse for my mistake..

We will have to respectfully agree to disagree on this topic..Crime is crime..Illegal is illegal..and no matter what reason it is done..it is wrong..As I said those who choose to follow and support these criminals.. do nothing good for the real cause..

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:08 pm
And janet..just because you haven't seen me commenting on anything doesn't mean I haven't..but that is neither here nor there..

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:33 pm
One who breaks an unjust law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for law.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

Friday August 17, 2012, 5:55 pm
My sentiments exactly, Catherine Turley.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:03 pm
I KNOW Camille and she has never been violent,, so she spouts off when she sees the atrocities that these innocent animals suffer. Say what you will, palin had a target list, NEVER ARRESTED NOR INVESTIGATED. GOP Jay Townsend just advocated throwing acid in the faces of democrat women. I tire of DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:05 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Constance because you have done so within the last week.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:07 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Catherine because you have done so within the last week.

And STARS to all the others who are NOT BLIND TO THE SUFFERING OF OUR ANIMALS.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:18 pm
Kathy..No one is blind to the suffering of animals..Certainly myself included..Just because I don't believe in violence..threats..harassment..fire bombs..destruction.. all that are breaking the law and I will add.. getting nowhere in it for the animals..doesn't make anyone blind to animals suffering..Some of us just choose to do it the right way..The way that will actually help the cause..

I had a lot of admiration..and respect for the late.. Martin Luther King, Jr..However that too does not mean I would agree with everything he said or did..And that includes the above quote that you shared..
It's wrong...

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:23 pm
I want to add that anybody posting here that has me on their friends list,, if you agree with this cowardly attack on my sister animal rights activist,, delete me from your friends list.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:26 pm
Okay dee,, just what have you done for animals? And cowardly attacking fellow ARA is not in any way shape or form honorable. Criminal? You think there should never be civil disobedience? Well the 99% DISAGREE WITH you

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:30 pm
hiding jews from the nazis was a crime. attempting to educate a slave was a crime. obviously, some laws are meant to be broken. but who has the courage to do it. who is willing to sacrifice their freedom for the freedom of others. the people who have had the most profound effect on our world have been imprisoned.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:37 pm
Agreed Catherine, so was the underground railroad here in the States. I remember England labeled George Washington a terrorist.

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:48 pm
Man Im staying outta this one.....Dee you know I understand your feelings on things or I thought i did anyways. Kathy I see you side on things too...so I had already damaged my friendship with Dee before and hope not to do that agian. I adore you both so Im out on this one....Goirlly hopes you understand...=)

Friday August 17, 2012, 6:52 pm
I looked up exactly what this case is about for myself.
I'll share what I found:DETROIT -- Animal rights activist Camille Marino was arrested Wednesday after chaining herself to Wayne State University's undergraduate library in protest of her ban from campus.

Marino, of Wildwood, Fla., was banned from campus last fall after writing graphic blog posts about WSU medical school professor and researcher Donal O'Leary and his research on dogs.

O'Leary received a personal protection order from Wayne County courts ordering Marino to take down his home address and phone number from her blog posts.

Marino had been due in court Wednesday to challenge the order, but that hearing was delayed while she switched attorneys. She has been arguing her posts are protected speech.

Marino and a handful of activists had scheduled a protest for 1 p.m. at WSU, but she arrived early, around noon, and chained herself to the library's front door with a bicycle lock. She placed a gag across her mouth in protest.

Campus police responded quickly, cut her lock with bolt cutters and arrested her, said WSU spokesman Matt Lockwood.

An arraignment date has not yet been set.

"Wayne State is dedicated to protecting its faculty and has barred Ms. Marino from its campus," Lockwood said in a statement. "Ms. Marino openly flouted the personal protection order and ignored an order to appear on contempt of court charges.

"Professor O'Leary is engaged in important research attempting to determine the causes of certain cardiac distress."

Marino knew she was likely to be arrested Wednesday when she showed up on campus, said Agatha Maksymiak, of London, Ontario, Marino's friend and fellow activist.

"She came to campus because she does not believe unjust laws should silence her," Maksymiak said. "Donal O'Leary is paid by WSU with taxpayer dollars to torture shelter dogs."

Marino is accused of writing graphic posts on her website, which include a litany of abuses she claims O'Leary committed against dogs, along with suggestions of what she wants to happen to O'Leary in return.

Marino's first blog post about O'Leary was Oct. 22. Titled, "Donal O'Leary: Federally-Funded Sadist Tortures Shelter Dogs to Death at Wayne State," it included his home address and phone number, along with his WSU email address, phone number and address.

The same day, she sent O'Leary an email at his WSU address that included a link to her blog, court records show.

"I hope you never have another peaceful night's sleep. ... I hope you wake up in a cold sweat every time you hear a creek in your blood-money mansion," the email said. "Mostly, I hope you die a slow painful death comparable to those you forced your victims to endure. Please don't interpret this as a threat. It's merely my most fond wishes for you."

O'Leary filed a request for a personal protection order, which the court granted Oct. 31. The order bars Marino from posting O'Leary's home information and was served on her in Florida on Nov. 3.

Hours after being served, Marino republished O'Leary's home information, records show.

"You are a war criminal," that post said. "Laws that protect you at the expense of the innocent are unjust and are, therefore, null and void."

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Friday August 17, 2012, 7:02 pm
She deserves to be locked up. She's not an 'activist'. Jesus. Terrorist is more like it.

Friday August 17, 2012, 7:06 pm
Good for Camille Marino. She's got the guts to stand up for what she believes in.

I have no sympathy for any animal abuser of any kind. Vivisectionists, who I honestly believe are sadistic perverts who get their sexual kicks out of torturing the helpless, are especially heinous. The world would be far better off if they all died, but better they suffer untold miseries before their death, with no medication able to ease their suffering.

Friday August 17, 2012, 7:19 pm
I live in New York. I know exactly what terrorists are capable of. I still fail to see why she is being labeled a terrorist.

Friday August 17, 2012, 7:50 pm
CAMILLE MARINO YOU ARE A HERO TO MANY MANY INCLUDING HUMANS !!

Friday August 17, 2012, 8:02 pm
I have no problem with her chaining herself to the doors. As an alumni of Wayne State 1971, I am ashamed that my alma mater still carries on experiments. Opening cages and letting tortured animals out to me is not terrorism. What is terrorism is sadistic experiments on animals.
O'Leary can sue, he can put restraining orders out....but the animals can only cringe in their cages when they are slowly being tortured. Their torture ends with their last gasp of air. O'Leary will live to enjoy chasing a golf ball on the greens in retirement.

Friday August 17, 2012, 8:19 pm
Kathy..
Wow how sad it is that you put that comment up to "your friends" That speaks very loudly just what kind of a friend you are..
Certainly glad I am not or never was on your list..

If you think this woman deserves respect and or admiration/support..you are certainly entitled to give it to her..or anyone else here..

I don't..
I think she deserves being thrown in jail..I also think she is totally useless in any way shape or form in helping any animals..She doesn't even have the money to pay for her false defense..She's on house arrest..until her trial date in November..

As for your question to what have I done for animals..I don't need to clarify that to you or anyone..It really is a foolish question as what you are implying is I haven't done anything simply because I am against people like Marino..and her actions..

Friday August 17, 2012, 8:41 pm
Dee you sound jealous,,,
Be against Camille, against all of us,, we really don't care about you. But I take exception to your hate campaign,,, one you seriously FAILED at by the way:)
GodSpeed to all the animal rights activists in the world

Friday August 17, 2012, 9:53 pm
Honestly, I don't see any reason to demonized this woman. I've never heard of her before so I looked into it. This is basically a freedom of speech issue and the right to protest involving her website. I thought that she had killed somebody or blew up a lab from the way this story was presented. I'm more upset about animals that are enduring torture at the hands of this Dr. O'Leary.

Friday August 17, 2012, 10:19 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Kristi because you have done so within the last week.

Friday August 17, 2012, 10:34 pm
Kathy..
What in the world would or should I possibly be jealous of..

Yes I am against the actions of this woman..No I am not against anyone here..whether they are agreeing or disagreeing..
What hate campaign are you talking about..seriously what are you talking about..

Friday August 17, 2012, 10:49 pm
Kristi..
I will continue to respectfully disagree with you..A judge deemed her free speech..serious threats with intent to harm..He also deemed that she had no right whatsoever to post the names and personal address of many..
Suppose for a moment..I didn't like what you are doing..does that give me the right to publicly post your real name..your home address and phone number..and to do a blog stating horrible things about you and threaten you..
That is what she has done not just to O'Leary..but to many..That is called harassment..Could I go to your home and trash the windows..spray paint or stink bomb your property..and write terrible threats to you..No that is all illegal..That's not about free speech..that's about criminal activity..

And since her arrest..her original attorney dropped her case as she was strongly advised to cease doing her blogs..which by the way where horrific..She has since then removed all of it..However it is in evidence in the court..

Again anyone is entitled to their own opinion in this..It simply surprises me how the logic works that makes anyone approve of such wrong and criminal behavior..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 8:35 am
Thank you Kathy, Catherine, Kristi and a few others for putting forth a balanced and penetrating perspective ! I wonder about the logic of being unable to look beyond the rule of the law and recognize a higher ethical standard.
Dee you stated in regards to animal testing and your belief that it is needed: "..I put my children..and family/friends first..and always will.." Well, in a nutshell - with that perspective; placing the family above all - (that little enclosed unit) or even the larger Human family, you are saying that other species are less valuable and humans have the right to use them to serve their own ends even if it causes horrific suffering and death. That's a very common perspective actually. But inherent in that perspective is the indifference to the suffering of other species.. You cannot have it both ways. Throughout this entire post - you have revealed a fierce anger towards Camille - anger that gives me great pause to wonder where all the anger really lies! - and yet not one drop of genuine anger (yet to say at face value that you are not blind to the suffering of animals ) toward what many here view as absloute horror toward other species. Ok, I'm done here because it's hopeless. And thank you to so many here !

Saturday August 18, 2012, 8:46 am
Dearest Gorilly soooooo good to see you around I have opted out too as I enjoy a lot of Dees threads but I believe I was on a one with you years ago that went so badly. on this issue

Saturday August 18, 2012, 9:21 am
if people wanted to protest outside my house, i would meet them for a debate. again, camille's intent is not to have people use the addresses for killing, and they never do. camille has never perpetrated an act of violence, so i don't know why you keep implying that that's what she's done or is attempting to do. i believe kathy's 'campaign of hate' comment refers to the posting of stories as news months after they actually made news in order to promote an agenda. and her comment implying that you don't do much for animals is based on your absence from all the animal rescue threads. i have no idea what you do or don't do. but i do know well the people who go the extra mile for animals in need. i know that every time i turn around constance and kathy are reaching into their piggy banks to save another helpless soul. the interesting thing about medical research is that you don't have to equate animal life to human life in order to draw a moral line in the sand regarding torture.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:20 am
You cannot currently send a star to Constance because you have done so within the last week.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:03 am
This debate is very much like the debate on abortion..Some agree with it..some don't..The same words are used in the abortion debates..torture..suffering..murder..killing..immoral..The same arguments..Same attacks..

There are radicals on every corner on both issues..Some feel it is perfectly okay to kill a Doctor who preforms an abortion..They feel that any Dr..doing so deserves to die and suffer just as the unborn fetus has..And or anyone who is for abortions is a heartless cold blooded murderer..They will stand outside of abortion clinics and do the sickest things to deter a woman from aborting a fetus..
And the same crap here in this debate goes on..

However..I have not a doubt whatsoever that there is not one here among us..that have not benefited from animal research..and still continue to this very day to benefit from it.Every time you take any sort of medicine..visit a Doctor's office..go to the hospital..have a procedure,,As do our very own pets every time they are taken to the vet,,or given any medicine..
As for medical advances the earliest evidence of testing on animals goes back to the writings of Greeks in the second and subsequently fourth century BCE..

Thank goodness laws have changed in ways that ease their suffering..and I hope that very soon one day it will not be medically necessary..but until that time..I will make no apologies..no justification in clearly saying if my child/family/friend/pets needs medical attention..and to better their health or possible save their lives.. if doing so derives from medical testing with animals..then absolutely yes I am okay with that..not in any sense that I enjoy seeing any animal suffer..but in the sense that I dearly love my children..my family..friends and furbabies..and would do whatever it took to help them..

And I am guessing that from all of the many *greenstars* and personal messages of "good for you" that I have received on this news story..even from people on this very thread..that there are many who agree with that.. Sadly they also express they are somewhat reluctant to come forth openly..because of the many attacks from extremists here..

I have always been very open and honest in my feeling in this..and I will continue to be..

Those here who are against animal testing for medical research..Well I hope you are true to your personal beliefs and that you're not being a hypocrite by blasting off here at me..while you take medicine or go to the hospital and Dr's office..and or take your furbabies to the Vet's office..

And lets really talk reality here..as I am sure that you all do those things..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:19 am
Constance..you wrote..
"You cannot have it both ways. Throughout this entire post - you have revealed a fierce anger towards Camille - anger that gives me great pause to wonder where all the anger really lies"

Yes I can..I dearly love animals..I have helped them all of my life..and continue to always..and I dearly love my children family..
And many/all of you also have it both ways..You are against animal testing..but I bet if one could see you in real life..you take medicine..go to the doctor..have possibly had some procedure done..or have children that you have met their needs for..or pets..

My anger is at this woman for pretending to be a true animal advocate..who truly sets out to help them in ways that will really help them..Not by being someone who boasts about it on a blog in the most sickest twisted criminal way..and just like the radical anti abortionist protestors out there who will take the life of a Dr..or illegally threaten and harass them until they are arrested..locked up and sent to jail..

Don't confuse my anger with anything but what it is..You're damn right I am angry with this idiot..people like that are sick and belong in jail and or need to be stopped..They give true activists a bad name..and above all they serve no purpose whatsoever..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:26 am
For me as a medical doctor the situation is clear: Researchers claim that tests on animals are needed in order to protect humans, yet this makes no sense because the data has gotten from these experiments has no relevancy to humans at all. What this amounts to is the unnecessary use and torture of animals that brings about no real contribution to the scientific world or mankind either. Scientific studies about the relevancy of animal testing proved this.
Reference: Pound P, Ebrahim S, Sandercock P, Bracken MB, Roberts I: Where is the evidence that animal research benefits humans? BMJ 2004; 328; 514-517

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:31 am
Kristi. K wrote....Honestly, I don't see any reason to demonized this woman. I've never heard of her before so I looked into it. This is basically a freedom of speech issue and the right to protest involving her website. I thought that she had killed somebody or blew up a lab from the way this story was presented. I'm more upset about animals that are enduring torture at the hands of this Dr. O'Leary.

Kristi ....Thank You so much for breaking down this post the way you did. To be honest your post was the clearest and stayed with the issue at hand. And If I may ..I second what you said .

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:38 am
Gorilly..you wrote..
"Man Im staying outta this one.....Dee you know I understand your feelings on things or I thought i did anyways. Kathy I see you side on things too...so I had already damaged my friendship with Dee before and hope not to do that agian. I adore you both so Im out on this one....Goirlly hopes you understand..."

Actually Gorilly..if you really meant to stay out of this..you wouldn't have posted a comment...but whereas you did..let me just say this..My friends have NEVER had to agree with me..I feel if two people are truly friends..they will always be able to disagree with respect and allow each other their own right to whatever the feeling is..
That is not why we are not friends now..And ..because you personally brought that up here..Now here is the truth in it..

The extreme and most hateful so called animal activists here went on a personal attack against me and another member here..They constantly harassed us..attacked us in the most pitiful disgusting manner..They went as far as to put up a very hateful petition against us to ask that we be removed from Care2 because we hated animals..

It was absolutely vile what was written in personal messages.. about us to promote that petition..and foolishly..someone sent it my way.. which is how I came to see you my friend had not only signed it but your comments were hurtful..

That is how and why our friendship ended..And very happy to say Care2 did not allow that horrible hateful sick petition to remain..It was removed..and some of the members behind it were suspended and or banned completely from Care2..and rightfully so..

This should not be a place of hate and such utter discourse..Why the hell people cannot..will not learn to be able to respectfully agree to disagree is beyond me..Yes debate..absolutely..but in a healthy way..But no sadly there are so many here who must make VERY PERSONAL ATTACKS on those who don't agree and or think just like they do..

Pathetic..absolutely pathetic..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:47 am
Milkah, I'm glad that I was able to help. Thank you for your kind words.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 11:52 am
Yes, Dee. We respectfully disagree on this issue.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 12:24 pm
I know Kristi..and I am so grateful that as friends we can do do that..Thank you..((hug))

Saturday August 18, 2012, 12:28 pm
we cannot change what has has been done. we can only push to end animal testing now. it is not inconsistent to fight against torture and use medicine that was once tested on animals. now, using medicine that is derived from animals or is continually tested on them is another matter. many people call themselves animal lovers, but they really just love their own animals. or 'love' them all in theory. you would never subject your pet to what these other pets are going through. there is the true hypocrisy. and the problem with the anti-abortion movement is that they don't put their money where their mouth is. by and large, they don't adopt. they fight sex education and free birth control. i don't consider them radical. i consider most of them lazy and illogical.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 12:53 pm
i'll just add that i would not consider it a violation of principle to utilize any kind of life-saving medicine in light of the fact that we offer no alternatives. it would be like asking someone to become vegan when they only had access to a butcher shop.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 1:11 pm
Catherine we absolutely agree on the anti abortionists..I could not have said that any better..

Right now they are doing studies and test on Parkinson's disease..Alzheimer..and Cystic Fibrosis..which sadly my almost 2 yr old grandson is a carrier of Cystic Fibrosis..
If they can be successful and find something that can alleviate or cure these diseases..that is wonderful..

I am an animal lover..not just my own..I began my activism at the age of 15..My first adopted whale..and then a few more..But at that age..I did petitions for the sonar testing..and I walked door to door getting as many signatures as I could..when I reached the total I wanted..I followed through with it..

At 16..when I learned of the Draize test done on rabbits for cosmetic purposes..I went on a quest to do everything I possibly could (legally) to s end that..At 16 I stood outside of Macy's..as well as many other store that sold the very cosmetics that came from this sick testing and the very vain purpose of it to boot..

I have been a vegetarian since I was 4 or 5..I was also a anemic..had to have B12 shots..This was because for some reason my body could not digest meat well..I am now 60..and I have choose to always remain a veg head..not that that makes me a better person..as I judge no one if they do eat meat..
I hate the factories that show no humanity towards the animals raised for meat..Again I have protested..signed as many petitions as I could..Written letters..made calls..and so on..

When my boys were very young I taught them the importance of being kind to animals and helping them..I was/am most proud of them as I used to take them with me when I volunteered at the shelter..but on their own now..One is 42 one is 31..they are both out there doing good for animals still to this day..They have done rescues/adoptions..always..

I could go on..but the fact is yes I am a true animals lover..all animals..

You state.."many people call themselves animal lovers, but they really just love their own animals. or 'love' them all in theory. you would never subject your pet to what these other pets are going through."

Of course not..I would no more subject my pets..than I would subject my children to such a thing..That was really foolish to compare..However.. I have many times subjected myself to more clinic trials that I care to remember..All for cancer..as well as for peripheral neuropathy..which I have due to all of the chemo I have endured..
Some of those clinical trials have helped..some have hindered..Some were for certain cancers that I don't have..but the drug and treatment in question..needed to be tested on a human..I agreed to it..My thinking was it may not help me..however down the line it could be helpful to someone who needs it..

Yes I love animals I love mankind..I also love helping when..where..and how I can..

We also agree Catherine on the matter of wanting the testing to stop..in hopes that they will find another way..so that no animal..no human should suffer..

The topic of animal testing is a very heated one..which leads to various types of protests..but when is the line crossed between protest and terrorism.. There have been cases of animal rights activists destroying labs of companies that test on animals..They have gone as far as battering employees and bombing buildings..Making death threats..which is clearly well past a protest..And the horrid blog on NIO..there were death threats.. which is exactly what Camille Marino has done..Though now removed from her blog..

However non-violent protests can get results and are not harmful to anyone’s health..life or careers..properties..And that is what I am for..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 1:18 pm
"i'll just add that i would not consider it a violation of principle to utilize any kind of life-saving medicine in light of the fact that we offer no alternatives. it would be like asking someone to become vegan when they only had access to a butcher shop."

No matter how you put it Catherine....that is still justifying the fact that we all at times do and will benefit from animals being tested.. and there is hypocrisy to that..

I make no excuses..no justifications ever..I clearly have stated always I hate the suffering of animal or human..but for now until they find a better way..Both humans and animals will undergo medical testing for the good of all..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 1:23 pm
You know what saddens me in all of this..We all really want them same thing..We all may disagree on some aspects around or in it..But clearly we all love animals and we want to see a better change come for them..

So why do some have to fight and bully and make such pitiful personal attacks on each other..That separates us..and serves no purpose other than to feed hate and discourse..

We all came to Care2 to help the world around us..and to help animals and humans..So I guess I just don't get how and why we all can't work together in numbers that really count and can make a difference..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 3:44 pm
And once again there you are with your nasty crappy attitude..Care in point..

Oh and just for the record..When I spoke about attacking I was referring to the Care2 members here that constantly do it..And not the person in the article..Good grief..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 5:13 pm
I haven't attacked anyone here Kathy..

As for the petition..it was done by a very hateful nasty member here..who by the way has been suspended countless times for attacking..harassing so many people..not just me..And the count of signatures reach a whopping 14..
Care2 immediately took it down..people were suspended..a one was banned..So no..that actually says more about the hateful idiots who did it than about me...

You have made no point here whatsoever..just more of your personal nastiness..and foolish nonsense..
You really should be ashamed to act so childishly..seriously..

Saturday August 18, 2012, 8:34 pm
i don't understand your issue with my comparison between owned and non-owned pets. you said 'of course i would not subject my pet to that', which precisely makes my point that people care about their own and not others. what you're saying is that the only thing that makes your pet special is that it's yours; that it has no intrinsic value. i view those lab animals just as if they were your pet or mine. in fact, if a class b dealer got ahold of someone's pet, sold it to a lab and they could not prove it was theirs, most people would be begging alf to go get it. i always liken animal research to torturing prisoners for information. you don't make the decision regarding its morality based on the results. does torture yield results... sometimes. is it ever moral... never. i'm not asking anyone to lay down and die. i'm asking people to require more of our society. necessity is the mother of invention. kick away the crutch that is animal research and we will find a new way. change only comes when people demand it.

Saturday August 18, 2012, 10:40 pm
A few points from me, a former research beagle.
1. If it wasn't for activists Green Hill might still be open...
2. Greater than 90% of animal research for medical purposes is rendered inconclusive. Of the less than 10% that is conclusive more than 60% of those are deemed unsafe for humans. Of the 40% that do make it beyond phase III clinical trials many are removed from the market because they are found to be dangerous to humans. Animal testing for medical purposes = junk science. In-vitro (in a test tube) testing has become the latest and greatest way to test drugs on live non-embryonic stem cells.
3. Learn what household and personal care products are not tested on animals and support those companies. Let the companies who still test know why you won't use their products until they end animal testing 100%.
4. Learn what you can do to make a difference. Before you donate to any medical related charity make sure your charity does not fund animal research.
5. Encourage your lawmakers to work towards ending the use of animals in laboratories. Unsure of how to do that? Contact the Humane Society of the United States - Animal Testing Campaign and ask how you can help in your state.
6. Please stop making mad eyes at each others and join together to end the cruelty once and for all.
7. Visit my on my new page on Facebook to get updates on how you can help.
8. Help each other by making a pledge to work together to educate people about animal testing. People are turned off by infighting and cruelty to each other. Work together... We all want the same thing.
9. Remember that while you fight my kin are dying in laboratories....
10. Luvs one another....

Luv n Wags,
Juno Rescued Beagle
Former Research Beagle - Aniclin Preclinical Services NJ - Freed on July 2, 2010 at the age of 5
Purpose bred at Marshall Farms North Rose NY

Sunday August 19, 2012, 8:10 am
For those on facebook
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Juno-Rescued-Beagle/173254072809435

Sunday August 19, 2012, 9:44 am
"LOLOL you seriously need help,,, you rant and rave about others while doing the EXACT SAME THING.
I do believe they call that a hypocrite:) "

Kathy..If you can't contribute a comment in regards to this news..keep you personal hateful.. petty.. childish attacks and insults to yourself..Seriously grow up already..

Sunday August 19, 2012, 9:49 am
"i don't understand your issue with my comparison between owned and non-owned pets. you said 'of course i would not subject my pet to that', which precisely makes my point that people care about their own and not others."

Catherine..My response was "of course I would not subject my pet..no more than I would subject my child"
Obviously I love my child and my pet.. So how in the world does that mean I do not love/care about other children or other pets..It doesn't at all..It was a very poor example..And I certainly do care..

Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:28 pm
Who is heck Stephany..

I attack no one..Stop your harassing nonsense and seriously grow up....

Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:36 pm
Green Hill was not a laboratory that testing on animals..It was a place where they were bred for it..Though I absolutely agree that they should have been shut down due to the inhumane treatment towards the animals being bred for medical testing..
However..I do not agree with the thugs that broke in..For several years there were protests taking place there as well as here about Green Hills..They were already looking into it and stepping up their check-ins from once every 3 months to weekly..They already had been fined and warned..and was in the process to shut them down..
The thugs that broke in that day..went to prison..they were released..however they are still going to be charged by that government..Breaking and entering and robbery were the charges..

Sunday August 19, 2012, 12:56 pm
The use of animals in medical research remains essential. However, in accordance with the law, scientists must avoid using animals wherever possible. If applying for funding for studies involving animals, researchers must give sound scientific reasons for using them and explain why there are no realistic alternatives.

Around 30 per cent of the research we fund involves animals. We are committed to ensuring that these programmes follow high standards of animal welfare. This page provides information about our work and ethical policy in this area.

Sunday August 19, 2012, 2:24 pm
Kathy I know you from F&S group..You're bashing of people there..always jumping in where it doesn't concern you..You have harassed me there as well..

I did not know any Stepany..Of course I know Stephanie/Gorrily Girl..was not attacked..anyone can see that..I was blunt and honest but said nothing to attack her..She choose to bring something up here that had no bearing on this news story..and so I responded.

Show me where I attacked anyone..I did not trash her..call her names..There is really something wrong with you..Please take your hateful bitterness...and move on..You have nothing to offer here in regards to this story..All you are doing is fighting and trying to trash me..Its not working..

Sunday August 19, 2012, 10:20 pm
my point is that you view your animals as more deserving than other animals. i view them all as equals. i view them as equals, in part, because it is just pure luck that your pet or mine did not wind up in one of those labs before crossing our paths. i don't pick and choose which animals to fight for based on what i might gain from their use. as alice walker said (roughly), 'they were not born to serve humans any more than women were born to serve men, or blacks were born to serve whites. they exist for their own reasons'.

Monday August 20, 2012, 8:30 am
Catherine..
I will respectfully disagree with you..and you certainly are entitled to have your own point and view..but you are not entitled to say you know how I feel or what I think..In that you are wrong..

However as I have said I find that most of those here that are against the medical testing of animals..Yet most do benefit even today from it..And if they..you are so against it..then you would not take or indulge in any of the benefits that derive from it..

The fact is most do and will continue to..all the while that they are saying they are so against it..

There were trials done on rats/mice that were for cancer....those tests were successful..following the testing on animals..it was then done in humans trials..Many who did that trial went on to live a better and longer life..Men..children and woman..and I might add..it helped with dogs and cats as well..

That is a good thing thing to me..Personally I would most likely not even be here today..had it not been for many of the animal/human clinical trials..And because of that I lived to see both of my sons graduate..marry and have children..I also lived to see my oldest grandson graduate and marry..and I am getting to see my youngest grandson grow up..They are all just as happy and grateful that I am here still for them..
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My younger son..is about to do a benefit bike ride for the Cystic Fibrosis foundation..He will be riding 62 miles in it trying to get as many donations as he can to ensure that the foundation can continue to help and research for a cure. My son does this because.is son and wife are carriers of CF..

I am pretty certain if you asked him or so many others..They are all grateful for the medical research that is done..

But some here just scream how wrong it is..but they are hypocrites ..They would not dare to be so honest about their own well-being or that of their families..and admit that it is because of animal/human testing/trials.. No instead most all hypocritically call people like me..names and throw insults and attack in the most childish ways and I will add hateful ways..

I know without a doubt..I would lay down my life in a heart beat for my children/grandchildren if it would save or help their health and lives..

I do not nor would not ever put the life of a rat or mouse above them..and I have no problem whatsoever in saying so..

You..Camille Marino and others certainly may choose to put them above your own families..but don't you dare suggest that I should..

Again..I love all animals..I care about them..I love my family and care about them..but until there is a better way to find medical care..cures..treatments..I am indeed okay with it.. if it saves people/and animals or gives them a better quality of life..

So lets just agree to respectfully disagree on this issue..