Monday June 22, 2009, 4:21 pm
Thank you, Robet. All sides must be heard in order to find sollutions suited to the USA. In that way (hopefully) errors and costly reworking can be avoided.
Booo, ABC! Journalists must be objective!

Monday June 22, 2009, 4:26 pm
Noted with many thanks Dearest Robert.
Love,
Black Dalia:)

Monday June 22, 2009, 5:15 pm
Have we All --- Lost our sense’s of
Common Sense and Common communed Reason?
By Dwight Baker June 21, 2009

My father now gone used to say, “Son a dog is smarter than that”. His education was a good one, for he fought all his life for folks to do the right things and shun and rid out all the wrongs.

He walked humbly before all men but yet stood erect and watched out for the bullies that came along. He would take on any man any time anywhere when that man proved to Dad that he had a bad heart.

Dad was on a submarine in WWII, there all men had to get on and stay on the same page, or else all would die. That is what is called “HIGH STAKES POKER” when dealing with men and women. For as was Dad when he was alive and far more worse today, some folks want to be the big boss and call all the shots for others to do but they in turn have not the best Common Sense and Reason to be doing.

Now for those that might doubt that look at those in the USA in our Congress and Senate. Then you tell all others and me why you trust them to do the right thing. Most are buffoons clowns and have a moronic inane lack of sense and reason. WHY, their voting records prove their worth. They do not VOTE the opinions of the people they represent; they VOTE the way their big “funders” tell them to. In Washington DC that is what lobbyist are hired to do pay off “BRIBE” our Representatives for voting the way they are told. SO GO FIGURE.

Now here on CARE2 many of the petitions that are signed end up in our Congress or Senate. But those with CARE2 in DC do not bribe them with cash like all the others do, so think about how much an impact we are really having.

Now wait just a minute before you condemn me for saying that, for I do believe to some extent the Petitions are needed, but in the raw essence found in our CONSCIENCE, WE must speak louder and with the force of 3 to 5 million of us STRONG in a good communed coalition with LEGAL REPRESENTATION. Thus when doing we will have more to force those many petitions along to get done what we want done.

Some might see right off that is the missing link. Those that see that. ”You are smart right and bright”. Governments work for US not we work for them. We the People on the earth today must stand up and shout out enough of this madness.

Until we form that communed coalition “that is the VOICE and the VOTE of the people”, we will continue to endure heartaches and see lives slaughtered by the BEAST on our watch.

And to that end my GOD FORBIDS.

Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

Monday June 22, 2009, 5:16 pm
Thanks Robert, complicated issue!

Monday June 22, 2009, 5:17 pm
There is a lot to think about here. I like Australia's Health Care as the people have a choice to go to Naturopath's, Acupuncture and Alternative Medicine. I think that Big Pharma and the Medical Industry are one and the same here and we need more healthy choice medicine, not ObamaCare!

Monday June 22, 2009, 5:28 pm
The best way to get control of our medical needs is put the check book back in the hands of the patients. Then the many cons run today would not survive. The many not able to determine right from wrong would get an advisor to look over their accounts.
dbaker007@stx.rr.com

Monday June 22, 2009, 5:46 pm
Noted...I also wrote them a note in their ABC news spot! Which I am sure they will not listen to. But I have been in the healthcare field for 30 years. For him to put into action socialized medical care in a fast paced manner would cause the economics of our nation to plummet like nothing we have seen since the great depression. Millions of healthcare workers would be unemployed.
Not to mention the fact that he is a SOCIALIST the next thing to communist!

Monday June 22, 2009, 6:16 pm
US is number 37 in rank of the top industrialized nations in health care for it's citizenes. And we spend more money on health care than this other nations. We are just under Morocco. SHAME. And I still am looking for all this libeal press, when over 90% is controlled by Murdock (Fox, wall st journal) and Time Warner. These 2 control most all media in the US. So, don't be misled by all of the above.

We do need imput, but so far the repubicans have only been obstructionsist, saying NO, just doing all theycan to make Obama fail (and our countriy).

I've been in medicine myself for a long period, and also in the health insudrance industry, so I know how power and greed works there. Giving lables like "socialisim" or what ever is what "facists" do to protect their own turf (see I can use it too).

I've been a fiscal republican for a long time, and wish they would return, but since Regan, it's gone downhill.
So, they are left with trying to obsruct, destroy, make less of others, so they can live. I'm sick of it.

If you truly want to know, watch the movie SICKO. And for what it costs to keep the war going in Iraq for a month, we could have universal health care for all.

Suggestion: Instead of watching FOX COMEDY (cause it's not news), watch MSNBC especially COUNTDOWN with Keith Oberman or Rachel Madow. THEY ACTUALLY GIVE FACTS. Amazing.

Monday June 22, 2009, 6:41 pm
Noted, thanks !!!

Monday June 22, 2009, 6:52 pm
Dictatorship is in the making right before our eyes are we blind? I'm not. I seen this comming a long time ago but no one would listen the Hero is not what he turned out to be. And its just the begining of the end. Thanks Robert

Monday June 22, 2009, 6:57 pm
SORRY TO SAY NOT SO; watch MSNBC especially COUNTDOWN with Keith Oberman or Rachel Madow. THEY ACTUALLY GIVE FACTS NO THEY DO NOT Oberman is a commedian and Madow is just a fresh new face----you know like Hollywood hype.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=230
dbaker007@stx.rr.com

Monday June 22, 2009, 7:01 pm
NO SONGBIRD WE WIN THEY LOSE. OUR CREATOR GOD IS NOT TO BE MOCKED.

Our plan will do far more than just represent the People in the USA with their votes and voices being heard and counted but it could also serve to represent workers in unions. At a far less cost than now. The entire approach of this plan could never have been done before, but the Internet came along and paved the way for people all over the earth to take back their Democracies. The rule of law is the key ingredient. The Beast [Bilderbergs agenda] rests on their vile and evil use of the LAW. Thus this effort does the same thing but not bribing as they do but by snooping our all the facts then presenting them to LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRST then to the American People.

WE THE PEOPLE
OF THE UNTIED STATES OF AMERICA
DECLARE AND PETITION CONGRESS WITHOUT REDRESS
THAT WE ENJOIN WITH PLENARY POWERS AT THIS DATE
AS THE VESTED HIGHEST RANKING CONTROLLING
COMMUNED MEMBERS OF WE THE PEOPLE
IN THE CONGRESS AND SENATE
FROM THIS DATE HENCE FORTH
TO SET ARIGHT THE WRONGS THUS DONE
AND RETURN OUR GOVERNING OF
THE PEOPLE TO THE STATE IT WAS DECLARED TO BE
ALIGNED WITH THE LAWS HELD SACRED IN OUR
CONSTITUTION

WE THE PEOPLE declare that when a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of WE THE PEOPLE, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted; and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression: when the Constitution of our country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of our government has been forcible changed, without WE THE PEOPLES consent, from a federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded by that of Federal Investigative and Enforcement Law and the past and present Executive Branch of the Federal Government and all that have become appointed and employees to duties both are the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the ever-ready minions of power, and the usual instrument of tyrants: when, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is, at length, so far lost by those in power that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms, themselves, of the constitution discontinued; and so far from their petitions and remonstrance's being disregarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into all sorts of terror filled restraints inclusive prisons of despair, and mercenary agents and armies are sent forth to force sovereign nations upon them at the point of the tools of war: when, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of our federal government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements; in such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable right of WE THE PEOPLE to appeal to first principles and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme case, enjoins it as a right towards themselves and a sacred obligation to their posterity to impeach, try, convict, fine, banish without impunity such federal government elected executives, employees, appointees, envoys and to cause to be constitutionally elicited worthy others to be empowered as substitutes in lieu of the next term of elected officials to resume elected powers, calculated to rescue WE THE PEOPLE from impending dangers, and to secure our future welfare and happiness.
I.
We declare and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People as a body of lawmakers and we as those who enjoin are responsible and amenable for our acts to the public opinion of mankind. A statement of a part of our grievances is, therefore, submitted to an impartial world, in justification of the hazards but unavoidable step now taken of severing our political support and connection with the present Congress, Senate and Executive Branch of our Federal government and assuming an attitude of remorse for our CONGRESS allowed and empowered actions amiss among those mentioned nations of the earth.

II.
Our present past and present Executive leadership [hereafter called it], by its illicit pre-planed war intentions, convinced WE THE PEOPLE and CONGRESS by deception and the horrors inflicted on our soil after 911 that war was imminent. Then induced the American population to pledge their faith to war efforts to restrain, restrict and rid our nation from more acts of terrorism. Thus in doing WE THE PEOPLE should continue to enjoy our constitution liberty and democratic government to which we had been habituated in the land of our birth, the United States of America. In this expectation they have cruelly disappointed, and have acquiesced in their changes made in the government by it who having altered substantively the constitution of this county, and now offers us the cruel alternation either to abandon our people property and liberties, or submit to the most intolerable of all tyranny, the combined despotism of Federal Law Enforcement and Armies and the vile contemptible past and present Executive Branch of our government.

III.
It has sacrificed our people property and welfare toward war efforts in the countries of Iraq and Afghanistan by which our interests have been continually depressed through a jealous and partial course of legislation, and carried on at a far removed from saneness and alien to consent seat of our government, by a hostile Executive majority, and this, too notwithstanding we have petitioned in the humblest terms for CONGRESS to enforce the LAWS of impeachment in accordance with the provisions of the United State Constitution. And WE THE PEOPLE have presented in the media and Internet and to CONGRESS our pleas and without just cause, ALL have been contemptuously rejected.

IV.
It has failed and refused to secure absolute justice and has implemented such into the PATRIOT ACT, on a firm basis, the right of trial by jury, that palladium of civil liberty, and only safe guarantee for the life, liberty, and property of all peoples.

V.
It has failed to empower more and bring sober judgments and sound resolutions too our public system of education, although possessed of almost boundless resource [public domain] and, although it is an axiom, in political science, that unless a people are educated and enlightened, It is idle to expect the continuance of civil liberty or the capacity for self-government.


VI.
It has suffered the Federal Investigative and Enforcers of law officials, and their employees and emissaries stationed among us and abroad, to exercise arbitrary acts of secrecy ambiguity oppression and tyranny; thus trampling upon the most sacred rights of the citizen and rendering the military superior to civil power.

VII.
It has dissolved, by force of arms, the nations of Iraq and Afghanistan and obliged the indigenous contiguous people to flee for their lives and from their people and property and seats of governments; thus depriving them of their fundamental rights of life and political right of representation.
VIII.
It has demanded the surrender of a number of their citizens, and ordered military detachments to seize and carry them into prisons for trial; in contempt of the civil authorities, and in defiance of the laws of those nations.

IX.
It has made piratical attacks upon our treasuries, by commissioning national and foreign desperadoes and mercenaries and Federal Law Enforcement authorizing them to lay claim to territories alien to our core needs. And to expend our national treasuries on the unprovoked wars and enormous buildup of long-term military installations in both Iraq and Afghanistan. And to seize property of Iraq and Afghanistan citizens in confiscation for the intended use of the energy barons.

X.
It denies us the right of worshiping the Almighty according to the dictates of our own religious zeal conscience and independent commitment to the our GOD, by the illicit use of our personal and combined treasuries and the unconscionable treatment of our military men and women many dying in vain for the needless and endless wars, all calculated to promote the temporal financial interest of its servile alliances to the tyrannical barons of industry, energy and communications rather than the glory of the true and living Creator.

XI.
It has constrained us to take away our voice of dissent, which is essential to our defense, the rightful voice of freemen, and precursor to a formidable foe only to tyrannical governments.

XII.
It has invaded our homes and homeland with intent to lay waste our territory and elicit safety and security from our homes; and now has a large mercenary of armies at its disposal soon to be advancing to carry on against us and others wars on terror in selective extermination.

XIII.
It has, through its secret emissaries, incited the merciless savage, with, sophisticated weapons of war to massacre inhabitants in our offensive invading wars against hapless defenseless nations.

XIV.
It has been, during the entire time of our allegiance with it, made contemptible sport and victim of us with it successive laid claims as intolerable revolutionaries towards our constitution, and us and has continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government led by the wishes of those who have a will to destroy.

XV.
These, and other grievances, were patiently borne by WE THE PEOPLE until they reached that point at which forbearance ceases to be a virtue. We then took up our combined voice again in defense of the national constitution. We appealed to our brethren for assistance. Our appeals thus far have been made in vain. Through months and even years have elapsed. No sympathetic response has yet been heard from CONGRESS. We are, therefore, forced to the melancholy conclusion that the past and present Executive Branch has acquiesced in the destruction of our liberty, and the substitution therefore of a military government--that they insist we are unfit to be free and incapable of self-government.

XVI.
The necessity of our mortal and immortal self-preservation, therefore, now decrees our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People to indict and/or impeach try convict fine and banish with out impunity enablers makers and profiteers of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and the inclusive war on terror and the enablers and makers of our present financial crisis.

XVII.
It has suffered a disproportion of illicit terror on the estimated 750,000 morally sound and believer in the Creator of all fellow believers in Iraq many tens of thousands have left their homes, land people and property fleeing from Iraq during our war efforts for fear of their lives. Thus ridding the commands of our Creator as null and void.

WE THE PEOPLE, therefore, as the constitutional empowered delegates, with plenary powers, of the people of the United States of America, in solemn sober and resolute connectivity have assembled, appealing to a candid world for the necessities of our conditions, do hereby resolve and declare that our eternal Declaration and Petition Congress without redress that we enjoin at this date as the vested highest ranking controlling communed members of We the People. Thus proving that we have severed our political connection with the present Executive Branch of our nation to wit has ended; and that WE THE PEOPLE do now constitute a free, sovereign, and independent highest ranking voice, and are fully invested with all the rights and attributes which properly belong to independent people; and conscious of the rectitude of our intentions, we have fearlessly and confidently committed these issues to the decision of the Supreme Arbiter of the destiny of each as individuals and of WE THE PEOPLE .


Thus I_______________________________do solemnly swear by a formal oath and by the testament of my name that I am a conjoined contiguous solicitous one of WE THE PEOPLE. And too that extent I fully agree with this------the Collaborated Petition with Pleadings and Demand made on our CONGRESS.
By Dwight Baker
Dbaker007@stx.rr.com

Monday June 22, 2009, 7:55 pm
Thanks. I don't know what to think about the health care proposals. Government is in charge of prisoner healthcare, and seven inmates in Calif. diee of rotten teeth last year. The government makes decisions about caring for the weakest members of our society, the mentally ill, and they are tossed in prison by the hundreds of thousands. Government is in charge of veterans' health care, and I hear about problems. Even though President Obama and our 111th Congress are good decision makers, hopefully, who will be making decisions about 15 years from now when I am old?

Monday June 22, 2009, 9:27 pm
thank you much Robert and Melinda! very scary!...Cathi

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 2:08 am
The website that is being referred to here makes a constant song and dance aboit liberal this and Liberal that. They use the word as one used to holler 'Communist' - which in the USA is like yelling Fire in a theatre.
Somebody : Find me a 'Liberal' viewpoint that survives Editorial Policy in a Media owned and operated by mega Corporations.
Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it ? Not.
Do I think Obama is a Liberal ? No.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 2:26 am
JOHN TRY THIS ONE FOR STARTS

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090617_the_bipartisanship_of_fools/

DBAKER007@STX.RR.COM

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 3:09 am
Noted Thanks

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 3:15 am
thanks robert thanks everybody food for thought

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 7:36 am
Why anyone in their right mind would think the government could do a better job with health care is beyond me. Here is a list of things the government runs well:

And the 37th in healthcare statistic comes from the WHO ranking (which they quit doing 10 years ago I believe) . Check out the measurements they used. And having visited nearly half the countries ranked "ahead" of the US, I can tell you if I had a serious illness in one of them I would get the heck out and back to the US ASAP. The US has the best MEDICAL care in the world.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 9:43 am
Robert, didn't you recently post a news story blasting the idea of the return of the Fairness Doctrine?

Now you're posting a story blasting ABC for practicing "biased journalism" and not making a "fair and balanced presentation on the issue."

I see how this goes. When journalists support a conservative agenda, it's nothing less than fascism to ask that they air other voices. If journalists support a liberal agenda, then it's shameful liberal media propaganda and bad journalism.

Uh huh.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:09 am
thanks robert.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:23 am
There is no liberal media bias. Who has a whole conservative news channel of their own? Who has talk radio shows full of right-wing lunatics? Conservative opinion pieces out number the liberal to a great extent in most newspapers. I will agree that the media in most cases does a pretty poor job of covering the real news.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:28 am
Thank you Rachel for bringing up this extremely important point:

I am against the U.S. Government's excessive control over the media, as I am now seeing occur in this health-care issue.

This appears to be a case of current government manipulation of the media, without allowing the public full knowledge of any hidden details!

It is like your brother or sister talking you into a financial agreement, and they accidentally forget to tell you about the many pitfalls that you might encounter along the way.

My post here is to generate intelligent thought and analysis on this issue.

Perhaps this is a prime example of the "Fairness Doctrine" being fully engaged - Under the Table!?

What I personally see going on here, is a country so far in debt, that out of desperation it is seeking Socialist policies in order to financially survive as a nation!!!

This is the agenda, if there be any!

Does the United States of America have to become a Socialist/Communist State in order to continue to survive as a nation?

I am witnessing an orchestrated reformation of the U.S. public paradigm mind-set!

Is this where we have been led?

YOU WILL ONLY BELIEVE - WHAT WE TELL YOU TO BELIEVE, AND NOTHING MORE!!!

And can we ever possibly recover our national dignity in the process???


Signature: THE FIFTH KNIGHT'S NEWS

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:54 am
Related Article.

* Please Read:

"The Obamacare to Come" > By: Michael Tanner on National Review Online

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 2:08 pm

Single-payer systems, in various forms, work well in many, many countries around the world---and these countries have better health outcomes than the US. See the table comparing the US with other countries here (you may be surprised): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden

I think the US public needs to know that:
Single-payer healthcare is NOT government-run healthcare.
Single-payer healthcare is NOT socialized medicine.

Please take a look at the article “Health Reform for Beginners: The Difference Between Socialized Medicine, Single-Payer Health Care, and What We'll Be Getting”
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/health_reform_for_beginners_th_1.html



Quoted from the article (my caps):

“Socialized medicine is a system in which the government owns the means of providing medicine. Britain is an example of socialized system, as, in America, is the Veterans Health Administration.

“In a socialized system, the government employs the doctors and nurses, builds and owns the hospitals, and bargains for and purchases the technology. I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD A PROPOSAL FOR CONVERTING AMERICA TO A SOCIALIZED SYSTEM OF MEDICINE. And I know a lot of liberals.

“SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE IS NOT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. [my caps]. It's a system in which one institution purchases all, or in reality, most, of the care. But the payer does not own the doctors or the hospitals or the nurses or the MRI scanners. Medicare is an example of a mostly single-payer system, as is FRANCE. BOTH OF THESE SYSTEMS HAVE PRIVATE INSURERS TO CHOOSE FROM, BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS THE DOMINANT PURCHASER. . . . THE TERM REFERS TO MARKET SHARE, NOT FEDERAL CONTROL.”

So, when we talk about a single-payer system, we DO NOT mean socialized or government-run healthcare; nor do we mean the Canadian system.

I think we should look carefully at the healthcare systems in place in Taiwan and the Netherlands, Norway and other countries.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 2:13 pm
The two main arguments for Single Payer healthcare reform:

THE MORAL ARGUMENT

Health insurance companies make their profit by denying health care to sick people. That is immoral and unethical.

THE ECONOMIC ARGUMENT

Our current system of for-profit corporate health insurance has created an unbearable economic burden on the nation. There are over 1500 separate health insurance companies operating under different sets of rules creating a huge 30 % administrative overhead. For comparison, administrative overhead for Medicare is only 2%.

By converting to a single payer system, we immediately save 300 billion dollars in administrative overhead. Medicare is a 40 year example of a successful single payer system which has an administrative overhead of 2%, not 30%.

As a nation, we are now paying twice what other countries pay for health care, yet we do not have universal health coverage here in the US. 50 million Americans are without healthcare and 87 million Americans without health insurance at some point in the past 2 years. A majority of the bankruptcies currently filed in the United States are because of medical bills.

Despite the costs we pay, the United States ranks LAST on a list of 19 industrialized nations in preventable deaths, and 29th of 37 in infant mortality. The World Health Organization ranks the US at 72nd for healthcare accessibility and efficiency. We can no longer maintain the status quo for the ways we currently provide and pay for health care.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 3:31 pm
I have read the above blog posting and I have to say is well.... for over 40 years now this country has been "debating" about health care. It is darn time for some changes. I don't care if conservatives have a "view" point they would like to share. Because all they EVER share is FEAR MONGERING ABOUT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. If it works in other countries in can darn well work here. Get the darn lobbyists and lawyers out of washington and come up with a real plan.
NO child in this country should EVER have to go with out health care. Period.
AND no one should be gouged to death by insurance costs. and I don't think either group has any good ideas! Certainly not conservatives, they had plenty of time to make real good changes that could have really benefited the American people and they didn't.

Now dems have control and they frankly are NOT acting liberal enough!!

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 3:34 pm
"CARE For All Of Us" thank you so much for posting that!!!!

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 4:51 pm
Robert: Tuesday June 23, 2009, 10:28 am

"I am against the U.S. Government's excessive control over the media, as I am now seeing occur in this health-care issue. This appears to be a case of current government manipulation of the media, without allowing the public full knowledge of any hidden details"

Robert, Republicans, Democrats and the media do that all of the time!

For example, Global Warming, Weapons, War, Federal Bailouts... Universal Health Care and the list goes on and on!

When asked why he did not vote for the things that his constituency wanted, Senator from Tennessee once said: "The Voters Don't Know What's Good For Them!"

The Senator from Tennessee was right... voters don't know what is good for them and for the most part voters are stupid... because they vote for candidates of their choice while thinking real change will be the result!

Nobody should be surprised at the current events... we were told that this would happen and people didn't listen... they didn't listen about a lot of things. They have not been listening since 1776!

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 6:09 pm
I can't believe that some people do not see the MSNBC bias. I majored in Journalism and in all my adult years I have never seen the press climbing so far up the president's whazoo. It is not journalism. Its political entertainment.
Ask a brit or canadian how long they have to wait for surgery?
When has the government taken over a function like the post office and made it successful? The answer is zip. Public schools suck as does the postal service etc. If you are past middle age in Britain and come down with cancer guess what. They are sending your butt home because it is not cost effective to save older folks. I think Obama looks great in a suit. Period. He is a puppet for the Democratic party.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 6:33 pm
A new study shows that SINGLE PAYER HEALTHCARE REFORM WOULD BE A MAJOR STIMULUS FOR THE US ECONOMY and would provide:

** 2.6 Million New Jobs,
** $317 Billion in Business Revenue,
** $100 Billion in Wages, and
** $44 Billion New Tax Revenues

The press release is here: http://www.calnurses.org/media-center/press-releases/2009/january/nurses-to-congress-expanding-medicare-could-reverse-job-losses-and-repair-our-broken-healthcare-system-and-safety-net.html

Here’s the study:
http://www.calnurses.org/research/pdfs/ihsp_sp_economic_study_2009.pdf


See the YouTube clip (5 minutes) about how to pay for healthcare reform “HR676 - The Single Payer Solution, Part 4 of 4. It’s about public financing and private delivery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nxi7DnCH3zk    

It’s clear that single-payer is the solution, not only in terms of providing quality care for all, but also economically!

Additional information and comments: http://www.care2.com/news/member/434996229/1032921

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 6:57 pm
I find it interesting that you are blasting ABC for liberal bias and then suggesting people go to the National Review which everyone knows is a conservative run news organization. I completely agree with you that both sides of the argument need to be presented but you need to practice what your preaching. I hear a lot of people repeating over and over again "it's socialism,, it's socialism, it's socialism", like the truth just depends on how often you say something. Convince me WHY this is bad for me. You might also try offering better solutions. I know it's easier to just criticize everyone else's ideas rather than coming up with your own but people want things to get better, they want hope.

To suggest that our health care system doesn't need reform is naive at best and probably closer to willful stupidity and gross negligence at worst. I work in health care, trust me, we NEED a better system. The US leads industrialized nations in the number of people who die WAITING for care. As a US citizen, your odds of surviving cancer for more than a year increase by 50% based on whether or not you have health insurance. There was a Canadian doctor that conservatives used in adds against health care reform saying Canada had a terrible system that everyone hated. Interestingly the conservatives left out the part where the same Doctor said the only system of health care worse than Canada's was the United States. Talk about media bias. That story is on factcheck.org if you want to verify it.

Also, I didn't hear anyone screaming "socialism" when Bush signed the prescription drug plan into medicare (with no way to fund it by the way). I hate to point it out the obvious, but that's government running health care. And how many people want to give up medicare? If we are to believe you, government run health care doesn't work and is socialism so all of us, our grandparents, our parents need to stop using medicare. Somehow, I don't think anyone is willing to do that. Your worried about a "faceless beurocrat" making your health care decisions? As apposed to the personal touch of giant, multibillion dollar insurance companies who are required by our financial system rules to turn a profit?

We constantly (and deservedly) tout the greatness of our military and guess who runs that...government. The senators and congress men are happy with their health care insurance which is a government plan. I will be the first to say that our current debt is scary and our government has been lousy lately but that's not a reason to be cowardly and not even try something different. And before you say that Obama's socialist agenda is the cause of the debt, a recent analysis put Obama's budget, with it's increased spending in the stimulus bill, as about 7% of the cause. Bush's policies were responsible for over 30%. In 2000-2001 when Bush took office it was estimated that we would have a budget surplus over 700billion/yr into 2012. Bush turned that into a 1.3 trillion dollar/yr deficit by 2008. Remember, I agree, both sides of the argument need to be presented, but present the other side, don't just name call and criticize. The facts others brought up about this country spending more on health care than any other country in the world are just that, fact. Try using some in your next argument. Conservatives have good ideas, I know you do. If you want to make an impact, if any conservative wants to make a real impact, on the direction this country is taking, start by giving verifiable, FACTUAL reasons WHY you believe the things your saying. This is the problem with the GOP/RNC saying it's going to attack Obama with class, you need to not be attacking at all. What you're not getting is that the people are tired of the bickering, blame shifting. We want you to compromise, we want you to work together so that the best ideas from BOTH parties are put forward.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 7:10 pm
Stephanie... I have heard people like Olbermann on MSNBC do criticize Obama for quite a few things so it's not all rear kissing. I also listen to radio shows that ask Canadian people call in and talk about their health care and for the most part are happy with it.
Hell, I have to wait FOREVER right here already in America for medical services and doctors appointments. My family does already have good coverage through our employer, so that stuff about having to wait in other countries with different systems doesn't make no darn difference to me. You wait with our system or a different system it's all the same!

I don't know where you live but my Post office does a good job and so does the DMV. Changes were made that in the last several years made it much more efficient. So does the fire and police dept. work just fine. So far have not had complaint with the school system. Very small public school and close nit.

Tuesday June 23, 2009, 8:36 pm
If you want to know what the insurance companies are really like, please read this article: “The Health Care Chamber of Horrors: Choose Your Bureaucrat!”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-fisher/the-health-care-chamber-o_b_219564.html


Quoted from the article:

"Well, government is not the only place where bureaucrats work. They are ubiquitous in those wonderful companies we pay to bring us our health insurance policies. . . .

"Consider this mini-chamber of horrors, culled from a recent and highly dramatic House hearing chaired by Rep. Henry Waxman of California.

Robin Beaton, 59, found out last June she had an aggressive form of breast cancer and needed surgery -- immediately. But just days before her double mastectomy, she found out that her insurance provider would not cover the procedure. (In the industry, they call it "rescission.") . . .

"And Peggy Raddatz testified on behalf of her late brother, who was diagnosed with stage four non-Hodgkin's type lymphoma. In the midst of his chemotherapy treatment, his coverage was cancelled and he was not able to receive the stem cell transplant needed to save his life. . . .

"These are but a few of the thousands of people who thought their premiums entitled them to be treated. And if you think these are extraordinary cases, consider this:

"BLUE CROSS OF CALIFORNIA, A SUBSIDIARY OF WELLPOINT, ENCOURAGED EMPLOYEES THROUGH PERFORMANCE EVALUATIONS TO CANCEL THE HEALTH INSURANCE POLICIES OF INDIVIDUALS WITH EXPENSIVE ILLNESSES. . One Blue Cross employee earned a perfect score of "5" for "exceptional performance" on an evaluation that noted the employee's role in dropping thousands of policyholders and avoiding nearly $10 million worth of medical care.

"Blue Cross of California and two other insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period.

Only a single-payer approach to healthcare reform will end the inhumanity of our failed healthcare insurance system, where profits are more important than patients’ health, and where people die because of it.

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 11:22 am
Republicans have been saying they want to improve health care for over 40 years now, and the only improvement is in the profits of insurance, HMO, doctors, drug, Hospitals, etc. We need to take care of our own citzens like the better industrielised countries do. All conservatives do is try to instill FEAR and MISINFORMATION to cloud the situation. They get millions and millions from the above companies to keep the status quo. TIME FOR CHANGE.....TIME TO HELP US ALL.

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 2:53 pm
Although, I personally am so far to the left that even the democrats appear to me to be "right-wing," I consider myself to be a strict constitutionalist. It is my opinion that since its inception there has been an organized and systematic assault by the conservatives in the United States on the civil liberties written into the US Constitution. The “War on Drugs”; “War on Terror”; “War on Communism” and a host of other wars waged by the right wing are really nothing more than a War on People--an excuse to erode civil rights to the point of non-existence. I invite you to my website devoted to raising awareness on this puritan attack on freedom: http://pltcldscsn.blogspot.com/

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 2:53 pm
Stephanie: Tuesday June 23, 2009, 6:09 pm

"I can't believe that some people do not see the MSNBC bias. I majored in Journalism and in all my adult years I have never seen the press climbing so far up the president's whazoo. It is not journalism. Its political entertainment."

On several occasions, I had email conversations with MSNBC Reporters about incorrect information. In every single conversation, they admitted that the information was incorrect. There excuse was that they were going for the emotional impact of the story!

This is not a one time occurrence, nor can people claim that it is unusual or unique. When you read stories about the Drug Wars, Rising Crime or Weapons pay special attention on how it is worded and what and how it is being emphasized... you will then see the same style of misinformation being used in many other stories as well!

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 3:10 pm
Never forget that the RepubliCON$ are liar$ ... they lied us into 2 illegal war$, they lie about how much Bu$h borrowed every day from China and Japan to fund the illegal war$ they said would pay for them$elve$ and now they're lying about health care for every American citizen ...

Never ... NEVER ... forget that REPUBLICON$ thrive on lie$


A Public Health Insurance Plan We can lower health care costs, provide greater efficiency and quality, give more financial security to people facing illness and help cover the costs of insuring the uninsured if we allow a public health insurance plan to compete on a level playing field

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 3:11 pm
Sentinels ... I hope you'll be emailling FOX NOI$E Network about their mistake in identifying South Carolina's Republicon Governor $anford as a Democrat ...

Wednesday June 24, 2009, 3:26 pm
Mr. Max Baucus Personal Empire Builder while Stealing from the American People
The Real Dirt on MAX BAUCUS
Health Care Reform led by him----Don’t think so

PLEASE MAKE PUBLIC NOW http://www.globallearningnj.org/mine2.htm

Apart from all the destruction, lost government revenues from the law have opened some eyes. According to the Mineral Policy Center, mining operations on federal lands produce $3 to $4 billion worth of minerals each year--and the public doesn't get a cent. Royalties, which nearly every other developed country charges, would add hundreds of millions of dollars to the federal treasury.

The 5,000-acre Stillwater Mine outside Yellowstone National Park holds platinum and palladium deposits worth $30 billion. The Johns Manville and Chevron companies have jointly applied to buy the land for $20,000--less than $5 an acre. "Clearly, the American people, who own the $30 billion worth of minerals, ought to get a fair return on that," Lyon says. "And the land should not be sold," he added. "That's in violation of the Federal Land Management Act, which says that the land policy should encourage the retention of public land, not create in-holdings."

The Clinton Administration, under the aegis of deficit reduction, last spring asked for a 12.5 percent royalty on minerals extracted from federal lands, but Western Democrat Senators convinced the President to back down.

Industry has countless arguments against real reform. They claim that royalties and expensive environmental measures will close down mining operations everywhere. They present scenarios of thriving communities turned into ghost towns, skyrocketing consumer prices and general economic disaster. But Lyon replies: "Mining has never been a sustainable industry. It's always been boom or bust. We think that the idea of reform putting the industry out of business is a red herring." The 1872 Mining Law only covers one-third of hardrock mining in the U.S. The rest is on private, state, or tribal lands, where the industry has no trouble paying royalties, and companies often lease lands to each other, charging royalties ranging from five to 20 percent. Even the family of Senator Max Baucus (D-MT) gets royalties for mining on its land. Yet Baucus has told Clinton that collecting royalties from federal lands will break the industry. "If royalties are good enough for the Baucus family ranch," Lyons asked, "why aren't they good enough for the American people?"

A MAX BAUCUS INSIDE DEAL http://www.montanalandtrusts.org/newsandreports/documents/PressRelease_081806.pdf

http://www.grassfedparty.org/grass-fed-blog/interviews/132--interview-with-bill-donald-3rd-generation-montana-rancher-

MAX BAUCUS INSIDE DEAL BLM LAND FOR FREE http://www.counterpunch.org/stclair02102007.html

https://www.hcn.org/issues/64

Research by Dwight Baker dbaker007@stx.rr.com

Thursday June 25, 2009, 2:54 am
Dwight Baker
I've seen an article on the folly of bipartisanship before - though that one looks good. Anyone into the strategic effect of 'framing' - moving the goalposts - knows that GOP use of dialogue is solely to steer stated objectives to the right in a ploy unrelated to honest statement and analysis of alternatives.
Here's some old research by Ezra Klein of the American Prospect - a policy wonk who even had a physician enter comment threads on healthcare - plus a resident insurance industry troll. I had a few rounds with that worthy myself.
Health of Nations
http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=12683
( I just changed the URL. The previous one was returning a blank. I was tipped off by Steve Herron at drinking liberally in new milford, who stated baldly he is not in Ezra's fan base. )

Thursday June 25, 2009, 3:04 am
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Thursday June 25, 2009, 6:54 am
The govt controls the VA hospitals... I do not want big govt. controlling my health care.

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:34 am
The government would NOT control your healthcare, it would just pay for it! Under a single payer system, your healthcare would still be delivered by private physicians and private hospitals. Decisions about your care would be between you and your doctor (not made by the insurance companies as happens now . . l).

Single-payer systems, in various forms, work well in many, many countries around the world---and these countries have better health outcomes than the US. See the table comparing the US with other countries here (you may be surprised): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Sweden 

I think the US public needs to know that:

Single-payer healthcare is NOT government-run healthcare.
Single-payer healthcare is NOT socialized medicine.

Please take a look at the article “Health Reform for Beginners: The Difference Between Socialized Medicine, Single-Payer Health Care, and What We'll Be Getting”

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:36 am
continuation of above post:

Single-payer healthcare is NOT government-run healthcare.
Single-payer healthcare is NOT socialized medicine.

Please take a look at the article “Health Reform for Beginners: The Difference Between Socialized Medicine, Single-Payer Health Care, and What We'll Be Getting” http://voices.washingtonpost.com/ezra-klein/2009/06/health_reform_for_beginners_th_1.html

Quoted from the article (my caps):

“Socialized medicine is a system in which the government owns the means of providing medicine. Britain is an example of socialized system, as, in America, is the Veterans Health Administration.

“In a socialized system, the government employs the doctors and nurses, builds and owns the hospitals, and bargains for and purchases the technology. I HAVE LITERALLY NEVER HEARD A PROPOSAL FOR CONVERTING AMERICA TO A SOCIALIZED SYSTEM OF MEDICINE. And I know a lot of liberals.

“SINGLE-PAYER HEALTH CARE IS NOT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. It's a system in which one institution purchases all, or in reality, most, of the care. But the payer does not own the doctors or the hospitals or the nurses or the MRI scanners. Medicare is an example of a mostly single-payer system, as is FRANCE. BOTH OF THESE SYSTEMS HAVE PRIVATE INSURERS TO CHOOSE FROM, BUT THE GOVERNMENT IS THE DOMINANT PURCHASER. . . . THE TERM REFERS TO MARKET SHARE, NOT FEDERAL CONTROL.”

So, when we talk about a single-payer system, we DO NOT mean socialized or government-run healthcare; nor do we mean the Canadian system.

There are great and successful healthcare systems in place in Taiwan and the Netherlands, Norway and other countries.

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:41 am
I would like to thank everyone for participating on this controversial comment-line, because sometimes the truth falls inside both the grey-area boundaries between liberal and conservative -- Democrat and Republican, and I believe the American public deserves to hear BOTH sides of any issue!!!

Government should not be allowed to control our every personal thought (liberal or conservative) upon any given subject, and so the following link is for those who missed the flip-side to this entire debate: >>>>

ObamaCare: Prescription for Healthcare Disaster - "What the Liberal Media Is Not Telling You!" - Continuously Updated By: Media Research Center (MRC Action Team)


Signature: THE FIFTH KNIGHT'S NEWS

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:41 am
DEFEAT MAX BAUCUS!

Just ran across this information:

Quoting from PDAmerica: Challenge Max Baucus

“. . . it is the duty of elected officials to represent the best interests of the electorate. This is especially true when the majority of the electorate has made their wishes known.

“Join the Challenge Max Baucus campaign! PDA is seeking a viable candidate--who supports single-payer healthcare--to run for Max Baucus' Senate seat in 2014.

“It is our intent to elect a candidate beholden to the electorate, one who puts people above profits."

“PDA is seeking volunteers in Montana and elsewhere to work in this grassroots campaign. Contact Conor@pdamerica.org.

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:20 pm
noted, thanks everyone, a lot to digest

Friday June 26, 2009, 7:24 pm
RepubliCON$ lo$t in Congre$$ again today!

Monday July 20, 2009, 2:26 pm
Gupta and Blunt Lament the Insurance Industry Being Put Out of Business



Republican Rep. Pete Hoekstra Complains About Having To Work Late On Health Care

Whiney Republican has to work! Hey, Pete! if the job too tough for you, go ahead and resign! Nothing special l about you. I'm sure Michigan can scrounge up another Republican representative who is at least as lazy as you are!

Monday July 20, 2009, 2:55 pm
NO Dumb Down News on CARE2
http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/detail/1197922

REAL NEWS YOU CAN COUNT ON BY SOME OF US

Monday July 20, 2009, 3:17 pm
Be informed.

READ the bill:

\Short version: http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BILLSUMMARY-071409.pdf

Full test (scroll down to Learn More, then Read Bill Text): http://www.speaker.gov/blog/?p=1864

Help HuffPo with investigation of same: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matthew-palevsky/hundreds-join-together-to_b_237999.html


Just Go Read It
Everyone who's yapping about the CBO chief's comments about health care costs, should read this piece by Jon Cohn. Another one of those cases where -- shockingly -- it really helps to understand the policy details and not just the political atmospherics.



If Congress Fails to Pass the Obama Health Care Plan

The next time a Member of Congress tells you that he'd love to vote for the President's health care reform package but he represents a tough swing district, remind him about all the ex-members of Congress who said the same thing in 1994 and were retired by the voters to resume their careers selling insurance or practicing law.

Single Payer: Bold, Affordable, Humane
If you believe that every American has the right to quality, affordable health care, then the only affordable means to achieve that goal is through a properly financed, single-payer national health insurance program.

Follow the Money on Health Care Reform "Right now we are the only nation on earth that barters human life for money." -- Geri Jenkins, RN, co-president of the California Nurses Association/National Nurses Organizing Committee in her testimony Wednesday, in the one Congressional hearing at which single payer has been on the table


Health Care For All : What If ... We Stripped Away the $13 Billion Insurance Company Profits ...
President Obama's health care plan will get rid of exorbitant corporate profits, bloated CEO bonuses, endless denials, and skyrocketing costs while giving voters more choice and making private insurance companies behave better.



Here is how your Representatives/Senators are voting on the public option.

http://standwithdrdean.com/where_congress_stands?chamber=&party=&state=&hc_status=&commit=Filter

Contact info, included.



Senate Report Finds Insurers Wrongfully Charged Consumers Billions
24 Jun 2009 Health insurers have forced consumers to pay billions
of dollars in medical bills that the insurers themselves should
have paid, according to a report released today by the staff of
the Senate Commerce Committee. The report was part of a multi-pronged
assault on the credibility of private insurers by Commerce Committee
Chairman John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.). It came at a time when
Rockefeller, President Obama and others are seeking to offer a
public alternative to private health plans as part of broad health
reform legislation. Health insurers are doing everything they
can to block the public option.



Public Health Plan Could Save Money Faster: Policy Group
A nationwide health insurance exchange that includes a Medicare-like government option could save $1.8 trillion more than if only private plans are offered, a prominent private U.S. health policy group said on Wednesday.


Medicare for All (Single-Payer) Reform Would Be Major Stimulus for Economy 2.6 Million New Jobs,$317 Billion in Business Revenue

First-of-Its Kind Study: Medicare for All (Single-Payer) Reform Would Be Major Stimulus for Economy 2.6 Million New Jobs,$317 Billion in Business Revenue, $100 Billion in Wages


TransGriot: 10 busted myths about the Canadian health care system.

Americans Who've Used Canada's Health-Care System Respond to Current Big-Lie Media CampaignMy wife and I used Canada's health care system for years, and we've been incensed by the lies we've heard back here in the U.S. about how it's supposedly broken.

Monday July 20, 2009, 3:43 pm
Blue what is your summary the best plan of action for each of us to each do? Then what kind of force can you recommend in our voice and votes to take it too in DC.

We can make them COWER DOWN only by Legal Force. Nothing else will work it has NOT so far.

Thursday July 23, 2009, 1:28 pm
what happened to "Care For All Of Us"??? Her profile is gone......nice. Some one spreads some good informative information around and they get deleted!!!