Thursday August 6, 2009, 10:54 pm
this Article Makes a Good Point on the Waste/Polution From Meat and Meat Production;
However the 5,000 Ton Figure Being Excessive; is Not Supported By any Comparison of The Total Amount Produced by Tesco; Which makes any Condemnation of Them For Overproducing Unsupported.
Different Meats Have Different Shelf Life and Even Though I would rather See More of it Donated To The Poor; Laws and Insurance Co's Keep That From Happening.
Promoting Recycling in any Form is a GOOD Thing..
.... Making Unfounded Claims About The Waste in the Meat industry is exactly the Kind of one Sided Propoganda; I have Come to expect from Vegans....I guess in England The Vegitarian Society is Just as Rabid...

Friday August 7, 2009, 10:20 am
TESCO is a truly disgusting supermarket chain. Nothing would surprise me about them. They are the same chain that sells live turtles in their China based stores for slaughter at home or in store. Just gross.

Friday August 7, 2009, 1:07 pm
I don't appreciate the remark: "Making Unfounded Claims About The Waste in the Meat industry is exactly the Kind of one Sided Propoganda; I have Come to expect from Vegans"
That in itself is totally one sided.

That is as hypocritical as the pro-life women who support abortion to condemn someone so against the abortionist that they killed him.
Why is it that what people believe, is so adamantly used to attack those that believe to the contrary?

I am a vegetarian, I do not attack anyone for eating meat.
I am against abortion, but I do not go out and kill the murdering doctor's.
I am a Christian but do not attack Muslim's.

Each of these 3 point's prove how cruel and murderous people and for those
who do not believe as I do, I could attack, but what is the point?
No-one gets anywhere attacking someone else.
You want to enlighten - then enlighten with words of proof and truth.
In this case - animal farming is a major contributor to global warming
- animals suffered horribly, most excruciating live's
- meat sold is loaded with harmful drugs and hormone's
- mad cow disease and swine flu are the cause of man's doing

Does anyone think or care about what they are eating?
What this food is doing to their children?

Sylvester Stallone said he ate a lot of red meat when filming Rocky, to get the stupid look and mentality to portray the role.

I find this so-called green re-use of meat as appalling as the cruel lives and deaths inflicted on innocent animals to supply a few minute's of gluttony, to be crapped down the toilet tomorrow. And the excess of loss of life to be thrown away as waste just as appalling, if not more so.

Your meat had a face on a body of an innocent living, breathing, feeling creature.
How anyone can "swallow that" - astounds me.

Friday August 7, 2009, 5:19 pm
This is so NOT a green idea. You don't raise more animals simply so they can be killed in order to make cheap fuel for a greedy corporation. That's inhumane and wasteful. And one need not be a vegan or vegetarian to agree with me.

Friday August 7, 2009, 6:19 pm
Creating energy from killed animals is truly abhorrent, sickening and a step in the wrong direction. Raising animals uses a great deal of energy and land, and creates a lot of greenhouse gases (CO@, methane, nitrous oxide), chemical overload and pollution, such as from fertilizer run-off, which damage ecosystems, the atmosphere, waterways and the oceans. It would be better not to raise so many animals for slaughter in the first place.

Friday August 7, 2009, 6:20 pm
(That should be CO2)

Friday August 7, 2009, 7:30 pm
Gross!!

Friday August 7, 2009, 10:14 pm

Creating energy from killing our" baby sisters and brothers" is unbereable...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Saturday August 8, 2009, 12:03 am
again and Again The zealots Here Prove My Points;
Without Understanding Them.
The Questions I raised Are Valid;
Without a Total Per Year Produced and Sold; The 5,000 Tons Sounds Like Alot; But For a Company Selling Food From England To China; I'm Sure it is a Small Percentage of The Total Sold..
The Animals Are Not Being Raised as Fuel, But The Meat That is Outdated Or Spoiled; and The Byproducts That have No present Day Use ( as TOXIC Plastics and PetroChemicals have Replaced Many Durable Animal Products; like Bone Utensils, Sinew, and Hide Glue;) Are being Recycled into heat/Power Rather Than Dumped To Rot and Feed & Breed Rats..
As Far as Selling Live Animals, To be Killed and Butchered at Home; As Long as Reasonable Efforts are Made to See that Animal Protection Laws are Followed; That's FINE With Me; As I Believe That Adults That Will Not Take Responsibility To Kill and Butcher at least Some of The Meat They Eat, Do Not Deserve To Eat it...
And I have eaten Snapping Turtles That I have Caught Killed Butchered and Cooked Myself... Some of The Tastiest Meat There is...
However today I cannot Do that or Even Raise Them as in Washinton State They are a NON Native Invasive Species...

Saturday August 8, 2009, 1:35 am
The article doesn't actually say what percentage of the total sold the "more than 5,000 tons" is - so that is rather jumping to conclusions to say it is a small percentage. Actually, that adds up to a lot of animals to waste, and if the supermarket chain knows it is wasting that much in excess, there is really no excuse for it.

If so much meat is being raised and not being used, then don't waste land or cut down forests, etc, to raise the animals in the first place.

The over 5,000 tons is identified as "meat", not byproducts such as bones.
In fact, bones and tallow and the like are still turned into products, such as bone meal for fertilizer and tallow used in some soap.

No one said the animals were being raised as fuel. But that what it more or less amounts to. It's not recycled meat - ie, it hasn't been used before for some other purpose, like say, glass bottles being recycled - it's wasted meat.

The fuel made from the wasted meat doesn't compensate for the energy, land and fuel used in the raising, slaughtering, transporting and storage of the animals and meat. This is turning grass or feed (and the energy to grow that grass or feed, and to transport the feed), energy and pollution used in fertilizer, transport, etc into other energy, which is obviously a big waste and silly.

It's simple mathematics not to be so wasteful. It's also not being a zealot to care about animals.

Saturday August 8, 2009, 1:39 pm
This is disturbing. what will they think of next to keep the meat industry going and make animals suffer at the slughterhouses. I say we petitiion to end all factory farms and animals be used for education on farms. vegetarian is great.

Saturday August 8, 2009, 11:24 pm
Ya know what Ross? You're proving my point about arrogant meat eaters who believe everything that goes against their own tainted ways is 'propaganda'. Why don't you just shut up!?! If you ask me, there are not enough vegans out there objecting to the meat eaters, we get a bad name because we're the ones being bad-mouthed and for what?! For believing in a more compassionate way of life that doesn't involve murdering our brothers and sisters, or disrespecting our bodies in such a way! We are called things that have nothing to do with veganism, but are associated with it by people like you who are out to poison this world. I do NOT want to see you people butchering little turtles, and I do NOT want to hear things about calves suckling the fingers of their killers, trying to find the milk that you clog up your arteries with everyday! It is disgusting and disgraceful and one day it will not be tolerated by ANYONE. Until then, everyone who loves the animals and this earth will have to suffer with them because of people like you who feel that the world just has to revolve around them. This is why I want to disappear into the background, away to a place that no one has ever been and just exist on my own, with the animals and the earth around me, happy to have found a place where no one disvalues life, in any shape or form. But I can’t do that! Because anywhere I go I am bound to see the wreckage of a lost world, polluted, killed, all for the selfish cowardice of the human society.
So, in conclusion (longer than I thought) don’t you dare sit there and bad mouth us when you are the one murdering our beloved brothers and sisters and smothering our world with your senseless selfishness.

Saturday August 8, 2009, 11:29 pm
okay, maybe a little harsh, but when someone says something like that I get mad!!!

>:(

Sunday August 9, 2009, 5:54 pm
I think using the meat to power homes is a great idea. This way it has not completely gone to waste. I can understand that some people are angry that excess meat is available in the first place, but that cant be helped bacause the store has no way of knowing exactly how much of any product people will want to buy.

And I'm sorry, but I will not be seeing any cattle, sheep, pigs, chickens etc as my "brothers and sisters". That's just too weird for me. I do not see killing animals intended for food as murder, they are a different species after all. I do agree that welfare is important however, but I will continue to eat them (well not the turtles).

Monday August 10, 2009, 4:21 am
Actually, the system builds in excess to keep prices up, so it is avoidable waste - that is in part why some people are going hungry in the world.

Tuesday August 11, 2009, 12:59 pm
Thanks For Exposing Your Ignorance; and Totalitarian Agendas; Since there is No One Named "Ross" Posting here; I assume it was Aimed at me.
While I also have My Issues With Factory Farming; Both Meat and Vegies/Fruits as The Farm Equipt and Trucking industry Kill a Great Number of animals; And The Only Uses That Those animals Get is To Feed Carrion Eating animals and insects and Would Rather Hunt or Fish To get my Meat Supplies; Just Like My Animal Friends Do; and I Picked up Road Kill for years Rather Than Hunting As I was Able to find more than 1 Deer a Year For other Peoples Accidents. I Presently CannotDue To State laws But I plan on working to change those laws and Fishing more (I may Harvest an Elk as I find it Tastes Better and Will Last much Longer than a Smaller Deer.
I find it OUTRAGEOUS That Vegans and Animal Rights Zealots Propose To take Rights Away From Thier Fellow Man; While Protecting The Worlds Carnivores, Large and Small...In Your "Equal Rights For All"
WHAT?? We are LESS Equal?

This is My Position on The Best Transition While Still Allowing Humans Animals Thier Right To Eat What they Choose But To take Responsibility and Reduce Thier Impact:

Ethical Carnivore Ideas


This is a policy Statement on possible Ethical Carnivore Laws And My personal beliefs on the Carnivores responsibilities to KNOW What it means to Take another Life and Butcher the animals themselves....It is not meant to be an attack on anyone (Except perhaps Sporting Hunters)!

Yes I eat meat Anyone who does or Feeds thier pets meat is involved in the Deaths of animals. For that matter any vegitarian that doesn't grow thier own food is Contributing to Countless Roadkill deaths By the produce Equiptment & the Trucking industry! !!

In the Past 24 Years the only Deer I Harvested Came from other peoples Accidents (presently I am Restrained from picking up Roadkill By Law it Seems The Wastefull Gov of Washington St. Would rather let it rot by the roadside and Contribute to Further Road kill Deaths of Preditors and Carrion Eaters)..
So I Try to Shop at the local Farmers Butcher shop as much as I can!

Before that I hunted for Food While living a Poverty level Existance in S Ore mountans.... Before that I lived on a farm as a child and Butchering was my Chore because my brother that raised the Rabbits to sell to my mother Wouldn't take the responsibility himself; I have also done my Fair Share of Chickens, Geese, Goats and Pigs.

I DO NOT Support Sport Hunting and While I did not Gather all of the Antlers in my Crafts Supplies collection; Those others hunters that cared enough not to waste what they couldn't use Gave or Bartered with me and I appreciate them Sharing.

My personal belief is that To Hold all Carnivores Responsible For Thier Choice; Any one who eats meat Should at some point in thier life be Required ( 18-21) to participate in the killing and butchering of at least one animal and preferably one animal of each species that they chose to eat and if the do not Earn an Ethical Carnivores Card, then they Should not be allowed to Hunt or Buy meat or other animal products..
This would Eliminate Fast food (Meat), Factory farms and Guttless Sport hunters that dont take it upon themselves to process thier own Game. I would Eliminate Hunting By anyone who did not Process Thier own Game, Keep and use all parts that are useable or Donate whatever they Don't want to food banks.
I Feel That Small Caring &/or Co-operative Farms; Where The Animals have REAL Free range ie Large Pastures and Treed Lots; Where Accepted Compassionate Practices are Followed; Should Still Be allowed.

While this is an Ideal and would Take some Transitioning; I also think That once the Transition was far enough along The Remaining Factory Farm animals Should be Liberated to Open Range formed From the mega Farms that Now Provide Thier hay,grain and soy feedstocks after it has been replanted with Mixed Prarie Grasses, Hemp, Fruit Trees and other High Quality Self Seeding Natural food Stocks That can Be harvested only with hand tools and the animals Can only be harvested Only using foodsafe Tranqulizers( That the hunters must be willing to Test in low doses on themselves before they are alowed to use them) Shot from bow or Crossbow or other human powered Weapons; And dispatched in the Cleanest Quickest Painless manner That is appropriate to thier Species; leaving all Non human Food parts for preditors and Scavengers; that which will not be used buried on the spot. Same rules should be in place for any wild game hunting.

While Some Say These animals are Not Suited to survive in the Wild; They Will By Natural Selection/Evolution/Adaption Change to fit thier New liberated State and become healthier From Diet and Exersize; or They will Be Eaten By Humans or Competing Preditors..

Have Any of You "Abolitionists" and JudgMENTAL VeGans Given That Much Thought To Post Industrial Farm Programs To Protect ALL Of Our Rights...

Sunday August 16, 2009, 3:51 pm
"However the 5,000 Ton Figure Being Excessive; is Not Supported By any Comparison of The Total Amount Produced by Tesco; Which makes any Condemnation of Them For Overproducing Unsupported."

Do you think that having a comparison to their overall amount of production would make any of this OKAY? As the author of this article, I researched thoroughly, got my information straight from the source, and stand behind the information. Regardless of their overall production, they are WASTING 5,000 TONS of meat a year. It's completely unnecessary.