Thursday December 17, 2009, 8:46 pm
Glad to hear this news. As we push here in the U.S. for the Horse Slaughter Prevention Act before our Congress in Washington D.C. this information gives hope in that the slaughter of U.S. horses after they are sent to Canada and Mexico slaughterhouses has wound up on the plates of French diners.

Thursday December 17, 2009, 11:50 pm
Many in France and Germany started eating horse meat (maybe they always did but more) after the mad cow scare started. Never hurts to educate people, remember my one story Mad Horse Disease:) Thank you Simone for all you do.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/484258200/941676

Friday December 18, 2009, 9:37 am
Thank you Simone.

Friday December 18, 2009, 10:09 am
That's great!

Friday December 18, 2009, 10:14 am
Thannnxxx Sweetie.. this is great news for us and our beloved horses... they can get to breath a sigh of relief... lets keep on campaigning for them.. as the end of the tunnel draws near

Friday December 18, 2009, 10:15 am
Thannxx.. this is wondeful news.. our horses can begin to sigh with relief, and as the tunnel starts showing light on the other side.. we must still campaign and continue to good fight

Friday December 18, 2009, 12:10 pm
I hate to be controversial, and I am myself a horse owner and lover, but horse slaughter is actually good for horse welfare, and I wider network of slaughter houses for horses would be beneficial for them. We will always have an excess of horses with a shortage of space/people to keep them. Yes, ideally a horse will grow old with a paddock and loving family, but this is idealism, not reality. Due to the lack of slaughter houses in the US, unwanted horses are shipped in horrible conditions to Mexico to be slaughtered, spending their final days in overcrowded lorries. The meat industry in Europe supports slaughter houses, keeping their availability and standards of welfare up. I'm not saying I want to eat my darling, I'm saying that, ironically, the meat industry helps stop shivering, skinny horses standing in overcrowded mud patches or neglected in barns.

Friday December 18, 2009, 12:54 pm
So you find it more respectful to view dead horses as garbage than food ?

When an unwanted horse can be sold as meat if its healthy and is paid for by weight it there is a strong incentive to have it killed humanely before it suffers rather than starve to death cowered in its own filth.

Please tell me - do you KNOW what happens to dead horses if you don't eat them ? If not what do you think happens to them ?

In Europe its quite normal not to share the Anglo-Saxon taboo against eating horses.

Friday December 18, 2009, 12:58 pm
how about we stop breeding horses as tools for profit, then we won't have to kill them or eat them

Friday December 18, 2009, 2:04 pm
Not that I really think those who believe in horse slaughter will bother to read these links. I do however think it's time for these people to realize that this evil must never be allowed again.
Caroline have you ever watched any of the horse slaughter house videos?
Many on you tube, I'll be happy to find them for you.
https://secure.peta.org/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&page=UserAction&id=2103&c=horseslaughtery0609&s_src=pady&OVRAW=protecting%20our%20horses%20from%20slaughter&OVKEY=horse%20slaughter&OVMTC=advanced&OVADID=27181336521&OVKWID=242102669521

captured video footage of a thoroughbred's last minutes. The horse is sprayed with water before slaughter—frightened and uncertain about what is happening. He panics, and at one point, just before being killed, he slips out of his halter and escapes inside the slaughterhouse, only to be caught—and killed—minutes later.

http://www.stophorseslaughter.com/The_Relationship_of_Abuse_to_Slaughter.pdf

http://www.stophorseslaughter.com/slaughterinfo.htm

http://www.hsus.org/legislation_laws/citizen_lobbyist_center/help_end_horse_slaughter.html

Friday December 18, 2009, 2:08 pm
Simone I think I might have found out why the BLM is planning on rounding up our wild horse even though all horse lover and animal rights groups are screaming. We need to watch out for what they really do with these horses.

http://www.harnesslink.com/www/Article.cgi?ID=74451

Think about it, wild horses haven't been injected with these medicines:(

The EU now recognizes that the meat from American horses, slaughtered in Canada and Mexico, is toxic and dangerous for human consumption due to the equine medications it retains (Link).

For years Pro-Horse advocates have been telling us that besides being immoral and socially repugnant the business of horse slaughter was flooding the European and Asian specialty meat markets with tainted and toxic meat. Meat that is dangerous for humans to consume. Equine medications are clearly marked that they are not for use on food animals and horses have not and are not considered food animals by American society and government agencies such as the USDA.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 3:54 am
Kathy, I have watched the videos. I guess I'm a bit sheltered by the fact I'm British and our slaughter houses have high welfare standards (I've seen the 'what they're doing is evil' videos and I'm sorry but those horses were perfectly relaxed and died instantly - and convulsing is perfectly natural; it does not mean they are alive), though I admit that those in Mexico, Canada and Japan are less acceptable. (But the whole 'it had water sprayed on it' shock - yes, it's called a bath and we do it almost daily to the horses in the riding school I worked in, the many tecking centres I have worked in and indeed my own horses. Race horses especially will be used to this and that horse was not distressed at that point.)

I did find the badly used bolt guns bad, but the method of transport used to get them over to Mexico and Canada was as bad. I think the US made a mistake banning slaughter houses - rather, they should have brought in strict welfare regulations.

There are many, many more horses than are needed or wanted. This is a problem which will take time to solve. In the meantime, give the horses who cannot be given a good life at least a humane death.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 4:09 am
Well everyone tis entitled to their opinion Caroline, but there is much evidence that the slaughterhouses for horses are not humane, and as far as horses being totally relaxed before they die- I dont think so, they know they are going to die, horses are very perceptive, they do know what is going on. Like I said, we will differ here, but I can see no good in horse slaughter houses. Please go here, to Animal Angels investigaiton- http://www.animals-angels.com/index.php?pageID=690

Saturday December 19, 2009, 4:52 am
Nothing good ? What about all that healthy tasty food ?

What is with you people that makes you think you have any business telling other people what they can and cannot eat ?

Calling horse slaughter immoral and socially repugnant pure bigotry !

Saturday December 19, 2009, 10:03 am
Okay Caroline lets go with what you're saying.
So horses are dumb? No instincts?
Because it would take a dumb animal with no instincts to not know something bad was about to happen to them. I'm saying if such a video exists the horses have been druged. Which in my opinion all those who eat the meat then deserve the outcome. Convulsing might be natural but you show me proof where they feel NO PAIN. So that statement is an opinion, because there is no proof. Funny how mankind now looks at the guillotine and call it barbaric. By the way, did your video show you the captive bolt gun?

Saturday December 19, 2009, 12:19 pm
My video ? What video ? I haven't referenced any videos on this issue.

There is absolutely nothing cruel in killing any animal as long as its done properly.

Outlawing horse slaughter becuse somebody refuses to do it properly is like outlawing sex because rape exists.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 1:27 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJMoyh57XOU

1- the horses are led in a normal halter with no extra training tools.

2- they are alert.

3- they are about to be used for human consumption - drugs would impede this.

And they are not stupid. They are highly perceptive and sensitive, but they are not psychic. The fact they remain relaxed shows that the handlers are gentle and there is little to no suffering to pick up on. They way the man holds the gun and gently keeps the head still means he gets the optimum angle for the shot and the horse dies instantly. I know for a fact that this man is a horseman - he and his family keep their own horses as pets so he would not do anything to cause suffering (this slaughterhouse was discussed at a BHS welfare conference).

Saturday December 19, 2009, 3:04 pm
I can't watch these videos BUT

way the man holds the gun and gently keeps the head still means he gets the optimum angle for the shot and the horse dies instantly

And that's all right with you? Yet you claim you supposedly love horses?
I must not understand your definition of love. I protect all that I love.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 3:08 pm
I guess I will never understand what part of Thou Shall Not Kill some people don't get.


http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_section_4_lections_31_thru_40.htm#Lection%2034
Love of Iesus for All Creatures.

9. And some of the people said, This man careth for all creatures, are they his brothers and sisters that he should love them ? And he said unto them, Verily these are your fellow creatures of the great Household of God, yea, they are your brethren and sisters, having the same breath of life in the Eternal.
10. And whosoever careth for one of the least of these, and giveth it to eat and drink in its need, the same doeth it unto me, and whoso willingly suffereth one of these to be in want, and defendeth it not when evilly entreated, suffereth the evil as done unto me; for as ye have done in this life, so shall it be done unto you in the life to come.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 3:58 pm
Wow such igorance here tooth man you have no idea of what the heck your even talking about, Also people that do kill and eat our horses are not playing with what I call a full deck . Pradon the expression but if the shoe fits wear it. For one you have no idea of all the meds they put in the racing horses the one's they say are the finest of the breeds you eat HA!! if you could only see what they do put into to them. Its amazing your still alive. I'm glad the horse meat is on the slow down so go naw on a rock or something ya know for me spouting off yes I'm mad ask me why??? For Me Kathy, Morgan, Simone, and many many other here at Care 2 have been fighting this for years and then you can just come in here like you know everything about it and you don't know Jack Crap!!!!! Oh yell I can go there, Enough of this stupid talking to either of you for no more friend than you have it more than likly your a troll. Tsalagiyi Ayeli Not a bad word its who I'm or part of.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 4:37 pm
Thank you Joy I couldn't have said it better myself.
They really don't understand any of it nor do they really care.
GodBless you my friend

Saturday December 19, 2009, 5:42 pm
If God hadn't meant man to eat meat, then why did he make him an omnivore ?
And why wasn't Jesus a vegan or even a vegetarian ?

Amazing how estranged you are from nature.

Saturday December 19, 2009, 7:55 pm
Huh, Jesus was a vegan

http://www.thenazareneway.com/ght_section_3_lections_21_thru_30.htm#Lection%2021

Lection 28


Iesus Releases The Rabbits And Pigeons

1. IT came to pass one day as Iesus had finished his discourse, in a place near Tiberias where there are seven wells, a certain young man brought live rabbits and pigeons, that he might have to eat with his disciples.
2. And Iesus looked on the young man with love and said to him, Thou hast a good heart and God shall give thee light, but knowest thou not that God in the beginning gave to man the fruits of the earth for food, and did not make him lower than the ox, or the horse, or the sheep, that he should kill and eat the flesh and blood of his fellow creatures.
3. Ye believe that Moses indeed commanded such creatures to be slain and offered in sacrifice and eaten, and so do ye in the Temple, but behold a greater than Moses is herein and he cometh to put away the bloody sacrifices of the law, and the feasts on them, and to restore to you the pure oblation and unbloody sacrifice as in the beginning, even the grains and fruits of the earth.
4. Of that which ye offer undo God in purity shall ye eat, but of that kind which ye offer not in purity shall ye not eat, for the hour cometh when your sacrifices and feasts of blood shall cease, and ye shall worship God with a holy worship and a pure Oblation.
5. Let these creatures therefore go free, that they may rejoice in God and bring no guilt to man. And the young man set them free, and Iesus break their cages and their bonds.
6. But lo, they feared lest they should again be taken captive, and they went not away from him, but he spake unto them and dismissed them, and they obeyed his word, and departed in gladness.
7. AT that time as they sat by the well, which was in the midst of the six Iesus stood up and cried out, If any are thirsty, let them come unto me and drink, for I will give to them of the waters of life.
8. They who believe in me, out of their hearts shall flow rivers of water, and that which is given unto them shall they speak with power, and their doctrine shall be as living water.
9. (This he spake of the Spirit, which they that believed on him should receive, for the fullness of the Spirit was not yet given because that Iesus was not yet glorified).
10. Whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give shall never thirst, but the water which cometh from God shall be in them a well of water, springing up unto everlasting life.
11. AND at that time John sent two of his disciples, saying, Art thou he that should come, or look we for another? and in that same hour he cured many of their infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits, and unto many blind, he gave sight.
12. Then Iesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
13. And when the messengers of John were departed, he began to speak unto the people concerning John, What went ye out into the wilderness for to see? A reed shaken with the wind, or a man clothed in soft raiment? Behold, they which are georgeously apparelled, and live delicately, are in kings’ courts.
14. But what went ye out for to see? A prophet Yea, I say unto you, and the greatest of prophets.
15. This is he, of whom it is written, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee. For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women, there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist.
16. And all the people that heard him, and the taxgatherers, justified God, being baptized with the baptism of John. But the Pharisees and lawyers rejected the counsel of God against themselves, being not baptized of him.

LECTION 28. 1-5. -It is easy to see how this would have horrified the mind of Iesus had he lived in these semi- heathen times.

LECTION 28. 16. -To exalt unduly the Christian Sacrament of Baptism, certain words have been interpolated in the A.V. The context shows that such was not the intended meaning, for immediately after, they "justified God by being baptized with Iohn's Baptism."

Saturday December 19, 2009, 7:56 pm
Lection 24


Iesus Denounces Cruelty
He Healeth the Sick

1. As Iesus passed through a certain village he saw a crowd of idlers of the baser sort, and they were tormenting a cat which they had found and shamefully treating it. And Iesus commanded them to desist and began to reason with them, but they would have none of his words, and reviled him.
2. Then he made a whip of knotted cords and drove them away, saying, This earth which my Father-Mother made for joy and gladness, ye have made into the lowest hell with your deeds of violence and cruelty; And they fled before his face.
3. But one more vile than the rest returned and defied him. And Iesus put forth his hand, and the young man’s arm weathered, and great fear came upon all; and one said, He is a sorcerer.
4. And the next day the mother of the young man came unto Iesus, praying that he would restore the withered arm. And Iesus spake unto them of the law of love and the unity of all life in the one family of God. And he also said, As ye do in this life to your fellow creatures, so shall it be done to you in the life to come.
5. And the young man believed and confessed his sins, and Iesus stretched forth his hand, and his withered arm became whole even as the other, And the people glorified God who had given such power unto man.
6. AND when Iesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying and saying, Thou son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the house the blind men came to him, and Iesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?
7. They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you. And their eyes were opened, and Iesus straitly charged them, saying, See that ye tell no man, But they, when they were departed, spread abroad his fame in all that country.
8. As they went forth, behold, they brought to him a dumb man possessed with a demon. And when the demon was cast out the dumb spake, and the multitude marvelled, saying, It was never so seen in Israel. But the Pharisees said, He casteth out demons through the prince of the demons.
9. AND Iesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues and preaching the gospel of the kingdom and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.
10. But when he saw the multitudes he was moved with compassion on them, because they fainted and were scattered abroad, as sheep having no shepherd.
11. Then said he unto his disciples, The harvest truly is plentiful, but the labourers are few; pray ye therefore the Lord of the harvest, that he will send forth labourers into his harvest.
12. AND his disciples brought him two small baskets with bread and fruit, and a pitcher of water. And Iesus set the bread and the fruit before them and also the water. And they did eat and drink and were filled.
13. And they marvelled, for each had enough and to spare, and there were four thousand. And they departed blessing God for what they had heard and seen.

LECTION 24. 1-5. -The cat was an ancient symbol of Deity, on account of its seeing in the dark and otter attributes. More than one instance is given of Iesus' protection of these beautiful animals which in Iudea were, as they are even now in some places, unjustly despised and regarded with disfavour. He, the Friend of all things that suffered, cast his protection round these innocent creatures, teaching men and women to do likewise, and to feel for all the weak and oppressed. This beautiful and much maligned animal was a native of Egypt. But there is no difficulty here, for Egyptian families visited Palestine, and would naturally bring their venerated animals with them, not leave them to neglect or worse, as some "Christians" who ought to know better.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 2:38 am
This is NOT the teachings of Christ - claiming so is heresy.

You do off course have the right to beleive whatever you want, but forcing others to live according to YOUR religion is a big no no - its a violation of human rights.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 6:37 am
that's right Carl, we have the right, so where do you get off telling any of US what to believe, how wrong you think we are? no one is FORCING anything on you, we are stating what we believe, and we were not made omnivore, and if you think you are such a big tough guy, you get out there and track down your animal flesh, kill it with your teeth and bare hands, eat it raw, just like carnivores do. how does that sound?

Sunday December 20, 2009, 6:45 am
ignoring the horror of the videos is ignoring the reality of the slaughter, it is brutal, and how does anyone kill humanely any animal that is well? we have so many because selfish mankind is breeding so many. I have seen vids with the horses bucking and kicking like crazy, repeatedly STABBED until it dies, is that gentle? it's never right to kill a healthy animal, would you like killed because your gov't decides the pop growth needs stemmed and they want to start with you?

Sunday December 20, 2009, 8:41 am
1. You'd hapily force me to live in accordance with your warped values if you could.

2. Man is an omnivore - thats a scientific FACT whether you believe God made is so or whether nature made us evolve that way. Believing otherwise is just as silly as beleiveing that the Earth is flat.

3. Lots of other species use tools to catch and kill, so why shouldn't I - In most cases the animal would suffer much less pain and suffering by me using a proper tool, than if I had to use only what I am born with. I also note that lack of training would make it likely to botch the kills again causing more pain and suffering than neccesary. Eating meat raw isn't any problem - all species I can catch where I live except mice and rats can be eaten raw - mice and rats must be thouroughly coocked.
The "natural" way to kill large animals without tools like weapons or traps is to run the animal tired and give them the coupe de grace after they have collapsed from exhaustion. (Man is an excellent endurance runner - eg. if the distance is large enough a man can outrun a horse)
Admittedly I am far from fit enough to do that, but I wouldn't have any problems gathering worms, grubs, snails, insects, marine molluscs, crabs - and some animals like mice and hedgehogs are trivial to catch.

4. How would you like to go out there and try to go out there and gather the vegetarian food without tools.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 8:51 am
you assume I don't garden? can't? have been raised growing food. my values are fair and just, your values are self serving, you love animals until it becomes inconvenient. if you cared truly about the pain and suffering of the slaughtered you would have no part of it.
man was not born omnivore, that is just your belief, many are vegan which proves man does not need animal flesh to survive. God is nature, nature comes from God. you are not only silly, you are very misguided, and you sound very confused.
so you eat raw meat? why not rats or mice, since horses, cattle and other factory farm animals are pumped full of garbage, meds, live in filth, so why not eat raw rat? what's the differnce?

Sunday December 20, 2009, 9:31 am
and what tool does an animal use to catch and kill? you make the claim, don't be a hypocrite, tell it all, which animal does that? you think you are on a level with them, prove it. keep it real, be honest, none of the childish comments matter, just keep it honest.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 12:45 pm
Animals using tools to kill:

Many types of spider use nets for catrching their prey.

Sea Otters use rocks to open mussels and have been observet hammering abaloe loose from the seabed wit rocks.

Chimpanzees have been observed using sticks to collect termites and ants, and sharpened sticks for hunting. There has been a single observation of a chimpanzee breaking into a beehive with a stick to get at the honney.

Some birds have also use sticks to get at insects and seagulls have been observered dropping oysters on paved roads letting cars driver over them and thus crack their shells. Some birds are known to use bait for catching fish.

Then there is also a wide vararity of animals using tools to get other types of food.

And whether you like it or not you DO belong to an omnivarious species.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 1:48 pm
you are trying to make nature into weaponry, and it doesn't wash. and no matter what you say you can't make me a flesh eater, can't be done. a rock is not a weapon, a spider web is not a weapon. you are talking about creatures of nature. rifles and bows are weapons and nothing more. you still are nothing but a bloated ego thinking you are equal to the animal kingdom, but they are so superior to you.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 3:10 pm
If they are so superior, then how come people like me are ruling over them ?

Sheila, you are such a muppet. Hideoulsly out of tune with your own nature - and nature around you.

BTW you just came extremely close to use the old Nazi definition of "Untermensh" to describe me. Isn't it hate speech to describe someone as being inferior to any animal ? And this because I am a normal person - and unlike you a creature of nature.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 3:31 pm
you don't rule over them you applaud the death of them, and I despise people who laugh at the death of any animal, you have made yourself inferior. call it what you like, you are mean in your heart towards innocent animals. you called this down on yourself with your thoughtless comment to Simone, she is here out of love, and you are here out of spite. you are in tune only with your self, nature doesn't need you.
having domain over animals does not mean you kill them, rulers have domain over their people, this does not give them the right to kill them.

Sunday December 20, 2009, 8:50 pm
You meant here say don't you there Carl?
Just because you like to remain blind doesn't mean the rest of us intend to.

Sheila you go girlfriend:)

Monday December 21, 2009, 9:42 am
Noted.