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Editorial: Getting a Voter ID

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TomCat S (129)
Friday July 22, 2011, 2:15 am
In states all over our nation Republicans are instituting strict voter ID laws as part of their overall strategy to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. They make it appear quite reasonable, saying it is easy to get a voter ID, but is it? For elderly, disabled and poor Americans, it can prove a daunting challenge. A recent personal experience sheds light on the issue.

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Friday July 22, 2011, 2:28 am
Everyone should be able to vote.
If you don't want people to be able to vote you're a Dictator.
But than i still remember GWBush saying on tv how life would be easyer if he would Be Dictator instead of president.

as s (201)
Friday July 22, 2011, 4:43 am
This is a blatant attempt to suppress poor voters. Your example is one of many stories that proves it is not as simple as the GOP lies state to get that needed photo idea. "Where are your papers" sounds like Nazi Germany or the Soviet Union. Thanks Tom

Carol H (229)
Friday July 22, 2011, 5:38 am
excellent article tom! getting a renewal drivers license here in Florida is a similar procedure

lee e (114)
Friday July 22, 2011, 6:26 am
They should only allow voting in Texas and Arkansas, sometimes Virginia - the rest of the country are aliens - how many college students can prove residency in the state? As for elderly and disabled - all they want are hand outs - they call them "entitlements" - what makes them so entitled? Time to allow corporations to finally make some money rather than putting the food on the table and roofs over the heads of the "good for nothin's" - If you can get rid of the over-population in this country - by eliminating "entitlements" - can you imagine the status we'd have? - there'd be no competition! So get off the high horse - think reasonably and vote for suppression! You'll be glad you did!!

patricia lasek (317)
Friday July 22, 2011, 6:26 am
Rinie, GW wanted so badly to be dictator. He so loved the power of his office. There are too many RepublicanTs and Tea-baggers who would also love to be in absolute power. That's why they are trying so hard to make our government so SMALL. Small enough to kno your every move!

Kit B (276)
Friday July 22, 2011, 6:38 am

First, let me say to TomCat that I'm sorry he had to go through all of that, it's bad enough when you feel okay. I know you have health problems making this an endurance trial. Your point for others in worse shape or with a lack of understanding of the systems or a full grasp of English this is a "gotcha." There is no reason, for each county office/Social Security office to not just call and get the certification of birth, the IRS for verifications (thought that seems extraneous) and then mail all the pertinent IDs to the person. That however, would not cause enough grief to person trying to reestablish the many ID already required just to be an American citizens.

Sure it's voter suppression and it's not new. The GOP has been chattering about this since 2000 but like most things unpleasant to democrats/progressives/liberals
we either ignore it and allow these things to happen or we complain, shrug and say we alone can't fight the Big Guys - yeah, ya can. We should be VERY angry, we should be ready to fight this along with so many things have stolen our rights and now own our government. Does this have to come to armed police in your own living room before you get mad enough to fight back?

Even the simple and constitutional right to vote as an American citizen is under fire and we do what about that? Oh yeah - complain!

Sheryl G (363)
Friday July 22, 2011, 9:45 am
When I moved from Maine to Florida I had to get a new Florida Drivers license. I had been forewarned by my friends in this State to have everything but the kitchen sink when I showed up at the office as much had been changed since I last had a Florida Drivers license.

Sure enough the lines were snaked around the inside of the building and out the door. Most of those trying to get a Drivers License were being hung up over one thing or another. I was real glad I kept my last name when I married, my late husband had taken mine, as my birth record with a seal (I made sure to get another passing through Massachusetts on way to Florida) matched the name on the current drivers license of Maine. My card from Social Security had my middle name that matched the birth record and so I was fortunate enough to get a Florida Drivers license.

Men were getting hit with military I.D. not sufficient, need original birth record, social security card had only the middle initial, it had to have their full middle name clearly wrote out on it. If someone had a long name with Jr.'s or two or more middle names all documents had to match.

Women, in particular were having the hardest time, as most had married, changed their name, and so the birth record did not match who they were today. Some had a divorce decree but it still had them as Smith divorced Smith and their birth record showed they were born Johnson. So they had to get their marriage certificate of which many had no clue where or had thrown it out with the bad memories.

Those who had married more than once had Social Security card with the first marriage, a birth record before their marriage, a current Drivers License with the new marriage name.

People were being sent away left and right, some having been sent away for a second or third time, as you heard them saying, but this is the third time I've been doing this, I can't get the marriage certificate, the Church has closed and the Town Hall burned.

What can I do, I've had all these people write statements to say I was married, to verify they went to school with me, knew me before I was married, so on and so forth. Here is my High School year book.

Next.....sorry, no drivers license for you.......

Now my name is in full on the drivers license, middle name spelled out. Those with real long names also all written on the Drivers License. We have all sorts of coding in the plastic, no doubt some tracking device as well.

I'm just now waiting for the change of name to this Country from the United States of America to ALEC R US or whatever else they deem us to be now living under. Glad I like the year round warmth for I'd hate to think I would need to apply for a passport at some point to travel from Massachusetts to Florida, but I see it coming if things don't change to the other direction.

Oh, and be careful when you apply for that passport, you can get 10 years in prison if you accidently fill in the wrong box.

H Nick H (1826)
Friday July 22, 2011, 1:07 pm
Republicans (and facisits) are trying to stop people from voting by any means. Here in Florida it's terrible now. I have to renew my drivers license. Not only has the cost more than doubled, but now (after 40 years here), I need to show my passport (I don't have one) or my ORGINAL birth certificate (which it's not). So, I have to go to my state of birth, pay extra fees to get this. Then, I have to have my orginal SS card (I do happen to have this, although I've been retired for a number of years). Not only that, 2 other forms of ID showing that I get utilites at my home address. And this is just for my drivers license.

Next, I need to have this same drivers license to vote (altough I have voted every year here for the past 40 years). They have limited the times and when I can get to vote, throwing up more things in my way. Next, I think they will start asking questions like what is the square root of PI, or the distance of the sun from earth. (Lucky for me, I do know those answers). Will there be a "poll tax" next?

And even worse, the LEAGUE OF WOMAN VOTERS which has traditonally helped people register to vote (for both parties) will not do it here as there are severe fines and punishments if they were to do so.

All of this from our repub gov Scot and the repub congress here in our state. It's supposed to stop voter fraud, which has never been a problem here in the first place. I think this is more of republcian fraud than anything else.

They are destroying this couuntry piece by piece, so that we will soon be under a dicator.....our corporate overlords. SICK SICK SICK.

Mary T (178)
Friday July 22, 2011, 1:28 pm
Thanks Tom, Green stars to Nick, Everyone should be allowed to vote this is really sick.

Toni C (508)
Friday July 22, 2011, 4:37 pm
Noted and thanks, Tom. sorry Sheryl and Patty, no green stars this time.
Wow, Tom, over $40 for a state ID? And, I was griping about them charging $22.50 here in the state of Kansas! but, it is something I have to do because my driver's license is from Missouri, and since I no longer drive, I haven't bothered changing it. This is a terrible burden to those of us who have a hard time making ends meet as it is, and I'm afraid there's going tobe a lot of people who just can't afford it What I think I'm goingg to do is write a little article to the local paper, requesting those who do have the money to spare to take a local older person to the DMV and pay for them to get a state ID. I know, there's a good chance it won't work, but just maybe it will.... keeping my fingers crossed!!

Yvonne White (229)
Friday July 22, 2011, 5:08 pm
"I asked one how poor people, who can not pay, can get an ID. She said there are programs to help, but did not know who to call or where to go." Exactly, these agencies & programs are all different & there is no single place (like Consumer Agency) to get all the info you need. Illinois requires a state ID if you don't have a driver's license - my Autistic son needed the ID (which only cost $10 at the time, no telling what it might be now). This is a major stress inducer, because he doesn't like crowds, doesn't like to wait, and doesn't understand what's going on - plus he's 6'4" & very intimidating to people he looms over. I called ahead to the DMV & found out the slowest Usual day & time period, and it all worked out - but I've been there myself at other times when it would've been hell if I'd had to have Jared with me.. So far, the places where we've voted have never required photo ID, or even our registration cards, just our names & address, but that could change too.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 22, 2011, 5:29 pm
Noted, TomCat, you guys make me glad I live where I do! Some of the comments of ordeals at the DMV make the small inconvenience of long lines that I deal with look like cake walks!
Toni ~ That sounds like a really great idea, sponsoring someone's ID if they can't afford it! I think I will try something like that here as well, we'll see where it goes!

David C (131)
Friday July 22, 2011, 7:08 pm
well I accidentally erased my original message... so will keep this one short....TomCat, thanks for sharing your personal story and good luck with your health....unfortunately repuglicons don't seem to care about the average everyday people....perhaps because not only are they liars by definition, but maybe heartless to those who are not born wealthy or are a corporation....we should be working to make voting easier for everyone...I hope that the people one day wake up and realize that the repuglicons only care about power, themselves, wealth and not people.....unfortunately, too many may have similar brain scans as Ms. Bachmann....don't give up though....

Nancy A (3)
Friday July 22, 2011, 7:32 pm
Noted. Something has to be done. We moved to Oregon a few months ago. I looked at DMV online to see how much to our Calif drivers license to Oregon. It's $60. I was floored. We can't afford to renew mine and our son and daughter can't get theirs either cause we just can't afford it right now. ID's should be a price that people can afford. I know I want a chance to vote and so do our kids.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday July 22, 2011, 7:40 pm

(you have no idea, what I have been experiencing...and yet you do, and help all!!!)....These "loopholes" need to be recognized and delt with , in every State BEFORE THE BIG ELECTION AND THE STATE ONE'S......KOCH BACKED REPUBS ARE GOING TO STRATIGICALLY TAKE EVERY STATE "DOWN", TURN EVERY ONE INTO A WISCONSIN SITUATION IF POSSABLE...THAT IS THEIR GOAL!.......

It needs to be OUR goal to get knowledge out, TELL OUR DEM'S THAT ARE IN POWER, ..."GUESS WHAT!!!???!!!...NO TIME TO BE OSTRICHES WITH HEADS IN THE SAND, ...OR YOU WILL GIVE 2012 TO ROMNEY/PERRY OR PERRY/ROMNEY......."........THIS SIMPLE MESSAGE NEEDS TO BE SENT, LOGICALLY , WITH FACTS , AS WELL AS "IF YOU WANT OUR VOTES!?!...DAMN WELL MAKE SURE WE CAN VOTE!!!"..."Dear Senatoers "yours!", Dear Reps, "yours"......WE, AMERICA, are running against the KOCH BROTHERS, AND THEIR BOUGHT AND PAID FOR MACHINE!!=REPUBS(and all the insaniTEA)...and this has GLOBEL EFFECTS!!! We cast our VOTES, WE ARE ALSO CASTING VOTES FOR OUR GLOBEL FRIENDS!! they will also be affected by what happens.....!!!!!! have a roof over your head, you have to have a job, enough food in your tummy to be strong enough to go to work...transportation to get there, so they will hire you...and yES!, we need our I.D.(when my wallet was stolen with my soc.sec. card, I called my Mom...asked, "I need to know the Hospital's Name, in order to get a new card , as I need my Birth Certificate....She told me, to go figure it out for myself...and she is a retired Nurse...2 years ago, when I asked her again, she told me, she can't remember ..I did have my birth certificate at one time, but during moving , many boxes "disapeared"...WE need to correct all this "stuff" in every State" , as these are indivigual State issues....and WE ARE THE UNITED STATES...UNLESS THE REPUBS, COME INTO POWER, WITH THE KOCH BROTHERS, AS THE HEAD OF EVERY STATE THEY CAN AND 2012!!....(just my opinion.)

Shelly Peterson (213)
Friday July 22, 2011, 7:45 pm
PS...Kudos Rinie!!!...Please see her comment and let those words RESONATE!!!

Barbara Brown (13)
Friday July 22, 2011, 8:51 pm
Thats exactly what I have been saying for the last 10 years!!! Kudos to Rinie!!!

l L (1)
Friday July 22, 2011, 9:31 pm
You are a good guy tomcat. Hang in there and thx for the article.

Past Member (0)
Friday July 22, 2011, 10:01 pm
It's a war. The right has declared it against us. Balls in our court.

KS Goh (0)
Saturday July 23, 2011, 12:45 am
Thanks for the article.

TomCat S (129)
Saturday July 23, 2011, 2:18 am
Thanks everyone, especially those of you who shared your personal stories that demonstrate how important this is. If my difficulty helps teach a lesson here, it was worth it. I'd like to say more, but I am exhausted.

Sheryl G (363)
Saturday July 23, 2011, 7:39 am
Be Well.......

Carlene V (202)
Saturday July 23, 2011, 8:32 am
Tom, just back from small vacation. Hope you are feeling better, stay strong.

TomCat S (129)
Sunday July 24, 2011, 3:01 am
Thank you all.

pam w (139)
Sunday July 24, 2011, 10:43 am
Coming from So. Calif, where illegals have been caught trying to vote--I say, logically, what is wrong with requiring a voter identification/citizenship document?'d be a pain in the buns to get one, but then, so is a driver's license, so are insurance documents, etc. Fees could be adjusted for seniors, etc, but think of the benefit if everyone who paid for a card wanted to actually USE it! (We all know that voter apathy is a big problem in this country....suppose you had to pay a fine for NOT voting, as the Australians do?)

Europeans carry identity papers all the time, so do many people in other parts of the world. Seems to me that it's a logical step to actually IDENTIFY yourself at the polling station, too.

Rinie Cassteele (47)
Sunday July 24, 2011, 12:35 pm
Yes here in The Netherlandds i have to be able to show an ID at anytime but my votinglisence is free and gets sent to my homeadress.
I think only a few people with a serious criminal record gets their vote taken away.
But here like overthere voterapathy is a big problem just like voteranger people who won't vote to protest the Government.
I think we need a "none of the above" vote just like in the Richard Pryor movie Brewsters Millions.

TomCat S (129)
Monday July 25, 2011, 1:22 am
I have no objections to voter ID laws, per se, as long as the state provides assistance to people having trouble getting it. I do object to Republican voter ID laws that are designed to disenfranchise voters.

For example, in the Republican Corporate Dictatorship of Fitzwalkerstan, formerly known as Wisconsin, Republicans passed a very strict voter ID law. Then they shut down ten DMV offices, all in Democratic districts.

Caitlin M (104)
Monday July 25, 2011, 11:50 pm
If what you said is true, Tom, about Fitzwalkerstan removing DMV offices in Dem districts, they are becoming very confident that they will complete the coup, aren't they? To be so blatantly dictatorial and openly unfair should make us sit up and protest loudly. There are too many of us who don't notice the water heating up around us. Pretty soon we'll be cooked to the bone. Thank you for stirring the pot, Tom, trying to keep us awake.

TomCat S (129)
Tuesday July 26, 2011, 1:46 am
Caitlin, I think Wisconsin residents are sitting up and protesting. The rest of us should follow their lead. I think in this case, Republicans know the axe is about to fall and are gorging themselves as much as possible first.
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