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Strangling the Planet


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Climate Change, Environment, Green Energy, World )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (286)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 12:14 am
Since I first moved to Portland, 32 years ago, I have noticed changes in the climate. Summers are getting hotter, and winters are getting colder. Three out of the last four years have set records for both summer heat and winter cold. The changes have been subtle, but they have been clear. We need to stop strangling the planet, before the planet strangles us. Instead we are setting records in the emission of greenhouse gasses.
 

Pat A. (117)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 12:47 am
Thanks TomCat - on the subject of a carbon tax and those nimby's saying that everyone else should do it first or it won't work - it seems to me that it is a bit like someone saying they won't give up drunk driving unless everyone else does it first!

It needs to be done and we should all do it - and in the years to come the nations that first signed up to it will be respected the most. Mind you, they will also be (like Germany and Sweden) those in the forefront of economic recovery and emergent green technology!
 

Jonjon Hoy (146)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 3:01 am
One person or one nation isn't going to change the gas emission Big oil and refinarys have created killing the ozone. We all have to work together as a team, a caring team for our future, our children's future and grand children's future for generations to come. Climate change is world wide and not just in certain parts of the world. Mother nature is SPEAKING to the world and we must listen to her cry. She speaks to us through climate changes, natural disasters such as ferious weather with haricanes, earthquakes, tornados, flooding, heavy snow storms and also record heat. What more Does the earth has to do before we listen to her cry cause the greed of man has no ears to hear.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:45 am
I heard a report on today's news that in the last 4 years, CO2 emmissions have significantly risen despite efforts to reduce emmissions, and China is responsible for over 50% of that rise. They may be doing a fair amount in green technology, but they are still relying significantly on fossil fuel when it comes to heavy manufacturing. Does everybody remember the Bejing Olympic Games and the heavy smog? It was so heavy that they had to stop driving to reduce the emmissions and clear the air for the games.

And what about the earth's natural CO2 scrubbers --- forests. We are loosing forests around the world, yet these forests clear the air by taking in CO2 and expelling O2.

The there is the Kyoto Protocol which I know Canada signed on to. But even that, we are failing. I don't know how others who have ratified the Protocol are doing. I know that Canada's Ballard Energy is working in hydrogen fuel cell development as a clean source of energy.

In BC, as well as other parts of Canada, we have carbon taxes as well as carbon offsets. Of course there is a push for rapid transit but that is big money, and in some areas is a NIMBY issue. Vancouver has a goal of being the greenest city in the world and promotes biking to work with bike lanes in several areas of the downtown core, as well as in various areas of Metro Vancouver.

TomCat said "Of course some will argue that it does no good for us to clean up our carbon, unless other major polluters do too, but if enough nations agree to both reduce their carbon emissions and embargo the goods and services of those nations who refuse to do so, other nations will fall into line."

It has to start somewhere. Why not lead by example because it is the right thing to do. The old adage 'a watched pot never boils' applies here. Let's not play a game of ecological and political chicken because of fear of being the first. Celebrate being the first. Too much time is wasted in inactivity.

The human race has gone to the moon and has an international space station. The Berlin Wall is down, a wall that divided too many people. The Cold War is over. It is time to add another accomplishment to the list, an accomplishment of international coŲeration and survival.
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 5:33 am
Noted. Thank you.
 

. (0)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 6:03 am
noted, thanks
 

John Gregoire (255)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 6:32 am
We've been studying migratory birds for over 25 years here and see many effects of climate change. We very much need to reduce emissions but the root cause remians the crazy and unstainable population increase. 5 Billion people since I was born!
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 7:40 am
im so proud of where i live. seattle is trying to become carbon neutral and reducing and forcing companies to find other uses for their trash rather than putting it in the landfills. and i adore my congressman jay inslee. he votes every single time for people and environment :)
 

Carlene V. (203)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 8:05 am
@ Lynn Squance - you cannot currently send a star. Couldn't be better said that you did.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 8:28 am
There are many issues around the world that need to be dealt with, this is the one that stands heads and shoulders above them all. If we can not breath, if we have no clean water to drink, if the seas rise, if food can not be grown, the list goes on, then our individual passions will mean nothing as none of us will be alive.

Mother will not die, she will go on, even if it must start once more from the smallest micro-organism. The trace of humans will crumble and fall into the ground, the air and water wil over extened time repair itself without the humans getting in the way. The Human Race has only itself to blame, and if the masses do not stand up to the few that would eliminate us all, then we are also part of the blame.

There is a statement that can be used on many situations, this being one of them, although this is not what it origianlly was for. It states......

"FEW ARE GUILTY BUT ALL ARE RESPONSIBLE" ABRAHAM JOSHUA HESCHEL
 

Mike S. (86)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 8:54 am
Noted and shared. Thank you Tom.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 9:42 am
Only after the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been
poisoned, Only after the last fish has been caught, Only then will you find
money cannot be eaten.
~ Cree Prophecy

When will our leaders obtain wisdom?
 

Bette M. (91)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 9:58 am
Less of the human population on earth and
much more flora & fauna.

Plant & protect Danny's trees for life.
Trees are the lungs of the earth.
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 1:01 pm
@ Victoria. I am with you (obviously 'cause I live in Seattle too). Wanted to send some green stars to Lynn, Dandelion, etc., but it is too soon.
 

Dave C. (214)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 2:45 pm
i agree...give the Chinese credit for trying although it might be too late....India doesn't seem to care yet....Repuglicons who care only about "Me Now" and instant gratification aren't giving US much chance....however, I am not giving up....500 butterfly credits plants a tree a day and many care2 petitions are being written daily encouraging that so maybe we who can look forward will be able to keep trying....Don't Give Up.....too many young people today deserve to grow up in their world, too....agree with Dotti stars to lots of you above....
 

Juliette Calderone (91)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 3:24 pm
Shared
 

Terrie Williams (769)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 3:58 pm
Thanks for the article, Tom. I am not going to add my 2 one hundreths of a cent to the conversation because I will spiral into a deep despair. I hold no hope for the human race.
 

Mary T. (186)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:04 pm
Thanks Tom I agree with all the above comments.
 

Kathy B. (98)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:05 pm
We will have to get rid of the denier congresscritters and the big corporations stranglehold on us and them before any progress can be made.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:07 pm
And yet, people STILL deny our role in these things!
 

Bette M. (91)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:08 pm
Yes, Dave C. Plant those trees so the earth does not turn to
sand & dust with millions of dead bodies piled high.

Plant & protect Danny's trees for life.
Trees are the lungs of the earth.
 

Nancy sands (446)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 4:25 pm
Just as children should be educated on caring for animals there should be mandatory curriculum in our schools on the climate crisis and what can be done about it.
 

Angela Weber (27)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 6:47 pm
I especially like Lynn S. and Bette M.'s comments. The two most significant problems - in my opinion - is TOO MANY people and NOT enough trees. I think people should get tax credits for planting trees (NOT monocultures though) and pay tax penalties for cutting down trees. In our neighbourhood, in the past two months about 10 acres of trees were cut down and burned. Near where I work, 1000s of acres are being cut down to build houses for MORE people. See - again - ever increasing population and ever fewer trees. It spells the doom of a lot of life. Unfortunately, it will be mostly non-human species for too many more years before we get ours. I am so grateful we decided to be childless. It is better for the planet and "they" won't need to suffer in the destructive years to come.
 

Kamila A. (141)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 7:22 pm
We all need to get back to nature, simplify our lives, or its going to be a forced issue. Try to do a little gardening, besides helping the planet, it actually does good things for the body, mind and soul. I found significant results in a research study I completed over the summer with psychiatric patients. Do it. Plant just a small garden, even if its in a pot.
 

Carol H. (229)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 8:16 pm
noted and agreed! thank you Tom
 

Colleen L. (2)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 9:49 pm
Great article. I agree with lot of the great comments. I've been trying my best at helping Mother Nature here at my house. Thanks TomCat.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 10:03 pm
Thanks all. Kudos to Lynn and many more.

We should all keep our carbon footprints so small that Chili night is a major spike..
 

Susanne R. (249)
Saturday November 5, 2011, 10:45 pm
It's not just the extremes in temperature that concerns me, it's the number of natural disasters this world has been experiencing over the past several years. I'm not a scientist and am in no position to make any claims, but could it be a coincidence that we've had such a startling number of devastating events in recent years in the form of hurricanes, tornadoes, tropical cyclones, floods, heat waves, droughts, etc.?
 

TomCat S. (286)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 12:14 am
Susanne, I agree. Talking about the temperature changes was just what I see where I live.
 

Marianna Molnar Woods (9)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 2:37 am
summers do get hotter but winters are milder
 

LeMoyn Salmonsen (90)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 5:52 am
If we donít extract our collective heads out of the oil and gas holes that exacerbate the problem soon, little else is going to be of any consequence. For the life of me, I do not understand why weíre not utilizing the cleanest most abundant energy source in the universe. Instead we persist in the insanity of subsidizing the extraction and releasing of sequestered carbon from billions and millions of years age. From a time when the planet was void of the capacity to nurture life, as we know it, because of that same, now being freed, carbon in the atmosphere and water. Itís not that I donít know the answer, itís greed and greed will see us all killed. One need not be a brain surgeon or rocket scientist to see itís killing the capacity for life on the planet, the mother, again.

A paradigm shift is essential now because the alternative is all too fathomable to contemplate.

The perpetuation of keeping the clean alternative cost prohibitive while artificially keeping the price of the dirty energy down, through subsidies, is insanity on a parallel with suicide.

An example of being cost prohibitive: We recently solicited a price quote for a Solar array with the capacity to exceed our highest monthly rate of demand by 100 kwh. While we persist in reducing our carbon foot print. The idea is to sell the excess supply back to the grid. A program our state demands from the privately held Gas and Electric supply Co. Price tag; $30,000.00 + or Ė 10% (we know going in, it will almost never be -). Thatís more then the cost of the acre of land it will be set up on. But does not take into account the State Tax credit, BFD.

Iíll be dead long before is will ever pay for itself. To be fair, we are asking for the panels to be ones manufactured locally, which adds over 15% to the overall cost. (Not neglect the fact that it would take a year in full operation just to nullify the carbon footprint of buying panels manufactured in and shipped from China) They donít make it easy to support local employment ether. I think you get my point. Only the people whoíre sucking up the greed profits off oil and gas can afford to buy the green alternative. And we know they donít give a ship because their lavish polluting, consumptive lifestyle is derived from the dirty.

Itís staggering to consider the minds that think this stuff up and see it implemented. Itís even more staggering when you consider the fact; we allow them to continue to do it. Mind boggling.
 

Patricia E. G. (52)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 6:37 am
Really opened-up a can of worms Tom Cat
just talking about the weather !
in total agreement with all the above comments.
Answer to all the Michigina...
Save the Rain Forests ! ...etc...
Thanks Tom
 

Nancy C. (798)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 7:52 am
Chili nights and congresscritters. That's a thread! We can't regress, we must forge ahead and act to activate humans to "see" the truth. Nature needs to be nurtured. Some humans don't realize that WE are not expendible and a mere portion of nature. If the EPA haters thought that their great grandchildren would be wearing masks to breathe and scrounging for clean water, their ideals would change.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 8:55 am
I've been politically middle of the road all my life, but in recent years I've had to admit, more and more often, that Karl Marx was right - unrestrained capitalism will destroy us.

So it's DRILL! DRILL! DRILL! BURN! BURN! BURN! PEDAL TO THE METAL!!...er...what brick wall's that then?

OH SHI.......

Goodnight all...seven billion of us:(
 

Alicia N. (87)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 9:00 am
noted
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 10:31 am
Another big problem regarding humans is materialism. Sort of monkey see, monkey do, not only for adults but for kids just entering the world means stuff, stuff, stuff. To be somebody, to be successful, to be cool, to be important means stuff, stuff, and more stuff. All of which costs money and endless natural resources.
Technology has replaced the humanities and nature.
 

Roger M. (0)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 10:48 am
Indeed. Thanks for posting.
 

monka blank (74)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 2:58 pm
We need to change, ALL of us, before it's too late. No more beating arround the bush, on more excuses, we're responsible for the disasters, nature isn't.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Sunday November 6, 2011, 10:03 pm
Thanks to all for many excellent ideas and comments. Change we must.
 

Svetlana B. (17)
Friday November 18, 2011, 3:27 am
Noted, thanks
 
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