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Open Thread - 11/12/2012


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

TomCat
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Kit B. (276)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:04 am

The situation with veterans has gone from bad to worse, from no jobs when they return home to homelessness, suicide, ignored and put to one side as society moves on without a second glance. Only about 1% of the population of this country has served, sent a son or daughter, wife, husband or parent and been directly affected by the military causes since the very early 90's, our veterans remain the nameless, faceless "collateral damage."

This nation has always been very good at patriotic "rally 'round the flag" but we also have a long history of being cruel and ignorant of the real needs of those who return from their patriotic missions. The excuse? Well....has it ever been any different? It's a budget burden. If we can afford a war, shouldn't we be very certain we can afford to provide for those who return?
 

Pat B. (354)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:29 am
Well said, Kit, I concur with your comment re: our Veterans. They are coming home with disabilities, finding themselves homeless, and no jobs for them. Volunteer or help a Vet. It makes a difference.!!! Thanks, Tom.!
 

Joe R. (191)
Monday November 12, 2012, 1:28 pm
Thanks TomCat. (4:07)
 

Yvonne White (232)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:50 pm
"They deserve so much better. If you have Republican legislators, tell them to stop blocking increases in Veterans’ benefits." Amen! I think anyone in the military, and their Family, should be cared for both during service and Ever After!
 

Yvonne White (232)
Monday November 12, 2012, 4:51 pm
I guess that would be as if they were in Congre$$?;)
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Monday November 12, 2012, 6:19 pm
Puzzle — 3:32 I'm not flying high enough to see dinner! I'll go hungry I think!

MoveOn — As I read down the graphic, I found myself wanting to reach out and hug everyone that fell into the list. We ask a lot of our militaries — we ask them to kill other human beings; we ask them to put themselves in harms way when self preservation is a normal human reaction; we ask them to ignore the 'collateral damage' of war — the dead and maimed children, women, and men; we ask them to live under deplorable conditions because after all, this is war; then we tell them they can go home and act like nothing has happened. But something did happen — some of their humanity was ripped from their soul. Veterans, no matter what country, must be given the support — medical, financial and spiritual/moral support they need. They did not ask "What can my country do for me?" but stepped up and asked "What can I do for my country?" and this is the thanks they get? Shameful!!!!!

NY Times — "… the truth is that deficits are actually a good thing when the economy is deeply depressed, so deficit reduction should wait until the economy is stronger. As John Maynard Keynes said three-quarters of a century ago, “The boom, not the slump, is the right time for austerity.”

If I recall correctly, did not St Ronnie Ray-gun, the patron saint so it seems of Republican/Teabaggers, increase spending to stimulate the economy and pull out of a recession? And didn't other presidents do the same or a similar thing to boost the economies of their days? This alone is enough, in my mind at least, to prove that the fiscal cliff is a political issue and not a fiscal issue. To add to the political nature of the fiscal cliff, I seem to recall, that the Simpson-Bowles report, supposedly a report looking at fiscal options, never made it to Mr Obama's desk as it was defeated in committee with 11 'yeas' when it needed to have 18 so that it could go to the Congress for a vote.

Krugman, as usual is spot on! I nominate Paul Krugman for Treasury Secretary to replace Geitner!

National Monitor — The country had to put up with 8 years of hell with Baby Bush and Cheney, but I don't recall the sleazoid tweets and comments then like there is today. Compare that list to the list of 17 states that have citizens who have registered an intention to petition to secede from the union — Texas, Louisiana, Oregon, Mississippi, Alabama, New Jersey, Colorado, Georgia, Arkansas, Florida, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Montana, Michigan, South and North Carolina — and you'll find 5 of the petition filers in the top 10 sleazoid tweet list. Isn't life grand! These guys should be happy they live in a country where free speech is so highly prized, otherwise these idiots might find themselves in a dark, dank cell in some far off corner of the country.
http://a.abcnews.com/Politics/texas-petition-secede-reaches-threshold-obama-comment/story?id=17701519

Cartoon — I wonder if he thinks it was worth it?

Here's a story that I thought was amusing. The franchisee of a McDonald's store flew the US flag upside down at his business and is getting a little heat for it. I wonder how his franchise agreement is holding up with McDonald's. Wouldn't surprise me if the Golden Arches come down.
http://samuel-warde.com/2012/11/cry-babies-and-sore-losers/

 

JL A. (275)
Monday November 12, 2012, 7:11 pm
Very well said Kit...and all of you. I grieve for those vets who will commit suicide while Congress dithers, die on the streets or after being on the streets from pneumonia or because they couldn't get the right prescriptions from the VA because care takes too long to access...ad infinitum...time to say enough and get Congress to do their jobs and to do right by our vets and by our economy to boot!
 

Jennifer C. (172)
Monday November 12, 2012, 11:02 pm
Thanks.
 

Pat A. (116)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:37 am
The situation with Veterans has been going from bad to worse - and the fact that governments have been getting away with it for hundreds of years (with the hopeful exception of WWII when the whole of nations' populations were involved) is no excuse. We all should be ashamed at ourselves - most particularly those appalling people who still vote to deprive veterans of benefits which they most richly deserve!

These wars started by Bush (but to be paid by the population of the USA under Democratic Administrations) have costs running into the trillions of dollars - couldn't they factor in health care and homes for veterans under that? Appalling on so many fronts!

 

TomCat S. (286)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:07 am
Thanks everyone. Kudos to Kit. I'm rushing today.
 

John Gregoire (255)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:09 am
Thank you Kit! Bravo Zulu!!! Folks, the non-support of veterans and especially retired militray vets who have given over 20 years is under attack not only by Republicans but sadly and hurtfully by the Obama administration. Write them and tell them to leave our health care alone.
 

Kit B. (276)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 7:23 am

I write each member of Congress (both Houses) and the president weekly on this issue. I also send emails and make weekly phone calls. You can call locals offices if you do wish to call DC. If you care, let your voice be heard. As please do volunteer your time as your own schedule allows.
 

Carrie B. (305)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:11 am
Well John, Obama has been trying to help our more than deserving veterans, but unfortunately the Republicans are less than enthusiastic. Filibuster has been the name of the game. Writing and calling means and does nothing as long as we have those hateful members of congress who care only about themselves and their personal corporately paid for agenda.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 8:18 am
Carrie is correct. Obama and Democrats have proposed several Vets bills that were blocked by Republicans.
 

Dave C. (214)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:38 am
thanks!
 

Dianna M. (14)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 2:51 pm
Is it my imagination, or did the GOP stop using their "SUPPORT OUR TROOPS!" rhetoric as soon as we (the people) started calling on them to do just that?
 

Wayne W. (12)
Tuesday November 13, 2012, 11:57 pm
GOP Senators Block Veterans Jobs Bill
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/09/20/gop-senators-block-veterans-jobs-bill.html

How did Obama block Veteran's benefits?

Of the 33 US Senators who received a grade of "D" or worse from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, 32 were Republican, including John McCain, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham.
2010 Congression Report Card
http://media.iava.org/iava_action/IAVA_Action_2010_Congressional_Report_Card.pdf
 

TomCat S. (286)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:35 am
YVW dave

Right Dianna.

Thanks Wayne.
 

Marie Therese Hanulak (30)
Tuesday November 20, 2012, 3:44 pm
Noted
 
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