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Open Thread - 12/6/2012


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

TomCat
- 943 days ago - politicsplus.org
Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).



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Jim Phillips (3200)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 11:00 am
Passed by Congress on January 31, 1865, and ratified on December 6, 1865, the 13th amendment abolished slavery in the United States.

The 13th amendment, which formally abolished slavery in the United States, passed the Senate on April 8, 1864, and the House on January 31, 1865. On February 1, 1865, President Abraham Lincoln approved the Joint Resolution of Congress submitting the proposed amendment to the state legislatures. The necessary number of states ratified it by December 6, 1865. The 13th amendment to the United States Constitution provides that "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

More to read in this link:

http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=40

Ty, Tom.
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Sue Matheson (77)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 11:05 am
thanks
 

Arielle S. (316)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 11:20 am
Do you think all the GOP know about this yet? (just a tiny bit of sarcasm)
 

Carlene V. (198)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 12:02 pm
Tom, Does COPD get worse with wet weather? I hope you feel better soon.

The union graph is one that most rethugs wouldn't understand, or pretend not to. Just like they are pretending that they don't know a majority of us want the tax breaks for the weatlhy to expire...what they say? Let the tax breaks expire on those job creators? Of course, they don't say just where those jobs are being created which is not here in the USA.

Same goes for the 13th Admendment. They only interpret the Bills of Rights or Constitution to suit their needs and misunderstood beliefs.
 

Chris C. (156)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 12:54 pm
TomCat - Please - take care of yourself. And thanks for these posts!
 

Lynn Squance (227)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 1:59 pm
Puzzle 3:25 Do you swim Jerry? Let's hope you don't have iron in your britches! We are all so close. I wonder if Patty will make this into the Talahatchee (sp?) bridge for us all.

MoveOn AMEN!! I look at these 20 reasons and even though I was never unionised, I think that most of this applied to me. Part of the reason I believe, was the fear of unions in the Canadian banking industry. There were still some union shops but very few. Sometimes the unions made it easier everyone abides by the contract, end of discussion yet in other ways it was harder I as a manager had no discretion in rewarding good work ethic and performance. In a non union environment I had a lot more discretion which I used, but fairly. I didn't play favourites.

Politico People say this, yet many still voted for the Republican/Teabaggers. Indoctrinated against their own self interest! Shameful. Raise the tax rate on the 2%!

NY Times Wasn't it Lyin' Ryan who made a rather catty remark during the campaign that Mr Obama didn't adopt the Simpson-Bowles recommendations? Well if the $2.2 trillion in new tax revenue had been adopted, what would Republican/Teabaggers be saying now given their negotiation point is $800 billion? They are so out to lunch and out of touch! Mr Obama should have gone with the $2.2 trillion.

Cartoon You'd think people would learn after almost 150 years. But it appears that slavery and indentured servitude still exist in the US. http://www.care2.com/causes/indentured-labor-hidden-in-americas-richest-homes.html

Extra! Extra! Looks like Sen DeMint is leaving the senate and going to head up the heritage Foundation. I guess the elections aren't over yet. http://www.politico.com/multimedia/video/2012/12/demint-i-can-do-more-on-outside-than-inside.html

 

Pat B. (355)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 2:01 pm
Thank you, Tom for this, hope that you feel better soon, and good luck at church, I'll be rooting for your Broncos.!! Take care. ;-)
 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 3:07 pm
Another major action was taken on December 6, 1955. This was the first day that the bus boycott took place in Montgomery, Alabama. Rosa Parks was arrested on December 1st for not giving her seat to a white person. As is most cases this fight was not easy. The end result was the bankruptcy of the bus line and the Supreme Court ruling against the segregation bus laws in Alabama and the City of Montgomery.
 

Dave C. (235)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 3:43 pm
TomCat, be well....good luck to your Broncos...and take care of yourself....we all need you healthy and writing......
 

Yvonne White (233)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:03 pm
As much as I support Unions, some Unions are better than others. I still have no pension/retirement plan & our health plan just began in 2010, only now does the State pay for training. Since my job is tied to home services, the State still holds us all hostage IL. finally okayed a "tentative" contract in Nov., though our contract was technically up in July & we've been "negotiating" since January! No raise until July, 2013, and then only 10cents!:( The governor is a DINO, Pat Quinn is as bad or worse than a RepubliCON in my book closing needed Institutions like Murray's Center (which is the Only place I would ever even consider sending my Autistic son if I became unable to care for him) while claiming "community based care" is better (but NOT providing it or paying for it!)..he makes me sick..

 

Robert Tomlinson (65)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:06 pm
Dave your comment reminded me to wish TomCat a great rest of the week without pain.
Tom, hang in there. You are one valuable Care2 member.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 4:16 pm
Thanks.
 

John B. (131)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 5:21 pm
Thanks Tom for the post and do take care of yourself.
Great chart from Move On.
Politico: no surprise that the majority of citizens want higher taxes for the wealthy and that does guarantee the GOP will be against it.
N Y Times: Three letter describe Simpson-Bowles = L O L
Wonderful cartoon and thanks Jim for the great history regarding the 13th Amendment.
 

Jim Phillips (3200)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 5:59 pm
Lincoln

http://www.thelincolnmovie.com/

or

http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/dreamworks/lincoln/

Highly recommended!

Film is about what transpires in getting the 13th Amendment passed
during the civil war..

Ty, Tom.
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JL A. (286)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 6:20 pm
"...is being far more reasonable..." and it seems that he is asking them to eat less crow, too...
 

. (7)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 8:12 pm
Thank you for the posts TomCat, and take the time to get better!!
 

Susanne R. (249)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 9:38 pm
LOVED the article on Simpson-Bowles by Paul Krugman! Also enjoyed his take on Alan Simpson!

Thanks for posting this, Tom! I hope your COPD improves very soon!
 

Edith B. (145)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 9:58 pm
Thanks, Tom. We all miss you when you aren't able to be on here. When I get a little brighter and have more time I am going to try your puzzles. Hope you feel better soon.
 

TomCat S. (223)
Friday December 7, 2012, 6:03 am
Thanks every one.

Carlene, it tends to get worse during storms.

Kudos to Jim.
 

Pat A. (116)
Monday December 10, 2012, 5:49 am
PP just ate my comment - but then C2 was doing that all weekend! Your chart neatly summarises why I support rational unions - our ancestors fought like the Dickens to get these rights - and one generation seems to have destroyed most of their gains.....

Prayers going up re your COPD TC!
 
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