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Open Thread - 12/7/2012

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, Videos )

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Kit B (276)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:20 am

How appropriate - the advertisement before the Ed Show video was for Alli a "fat reducer" that causes "anal leakage"...a definition for Louie Gohmert. This is a man in the United States House of representatives. How embarrassing for all of us.

In the 2010 elections, democrats dropped the ball, allowed well financed and lying owners (and yes they must be called owners) of the tea party to win based on nothing more than ramped up fear of shadows. Many are abandoning those insane fears and those they elected based on lies and fear-mongering. We need a two or more party system, we need fresh new ideas or just counter-based ideas for open discussions. What we do not and have not needed are those who lack even the basic understanding of the functioning of the governing bodies.

Kit B (276)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:25 am

“A Date Which Will Live in Infamy”: FDR Asks for a Declaration of War

The Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, on December 7, 1941, stunned virtually everyone in the United States military. Japan’s carrier-launched bombers found Pearl Harbor totally unprepared. President Franklin Roosevelt quickly addressed Congress to ask for a declaration of war as illustrated in this audio excerpt. Although he never mentioned Europe or the fact that Germany had by then declared war on the United States, the Pearl Harbor attack allowed him to begin the larger intervention in the European war he had long wanted.

Well, that is the story as we have written it so I guess that is the story that will stand. One thing is true, the war did officially begin on that date, (for the US) and we and our many allies, not the least of which was the USSR, did win on both fronts. At least 65 million people died because of World War II - something that no one can brag about.

Jim P (3257)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:51 am
Is that figure right about 65 million people died during the course of World War II...??

I do not remember that the number being and was so high for human carnage...

What a waste of human lives during that time...

I do wonder what the world would be like if USA had NOT won WW II...

Any comments...


David C (131)
Friday December 7, 2012, 11:56 am
as always, great post, and great responses from Kit and Jim.........thanks to all of you!!!!

thanks to all the soldiers everywhere who fought and gave so much of themselves to serve the world in WW2....and thanks to their families and all the hard workers who did so much back in the homelands to support them.......

congrats on Broncos!

John B (185)
Friday December 7, 2012, 2:43 pm
Thanks Tom for another great post and videos.
WTG Broncos
Move On; Good for Mr.Redford.
N Y Times: Speaker Bonehead will not bargain in good faith, that's a given in my book.
MSNBC: Lunatic + Gohmert = Lunacy. Enough said.
Dec. 7 1941. America entry into WWII>
Thanks Kit, Jim and Dave for your comments.

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday December 7, 2012, 3:09 pm
Puzzle — 3:07 Just by a whisker! Now will Patty have us all for lunch?

MoveOn — I remember seeing this video very early this year and I agree whole heartedly. Right now, there are big bucks being spent on advertising for the Enbridge Northern Gateway tar sands route — I hear them daily. They are advertising the safety of the sea route out from Kitimat to the open ocean — 2 dedicated tugs that will guide every ship, and coastal pilots that will board every tanker to guide it in and out. Just the fact that Gill Island, sight of the grounding of a BC Ferry Corp ship, is right there certainly gives me no peace. And the First Nations people, the ones that rescued all but 2 people from the ferry disaster, are not in favour of this route. This is their traditional area for fishing etc. Once the ships are on the open ocean, they will head west to China and be subject to heavy seas and possible break ups mid ocean, or head down the coast to terminals in the US, to be piped to the Gulf Coast, refined, and then shipped to overseas markets where the oil companies can get better prices than in the US. When it comes to managing such risks, we are infants. The oil companies cannot be aloud to screw with the planet. There are already enough previous mishaps to tell us that the companies are irresponsible — North Sea, Niger Delta, Gulf Coast, and the Exxon Valdez (which by comparison is small). And each of these was NOT bitumen which is much harder to clean up because it sinks to the ocean floor. No to Keystone! No to tar sands! No to Northern Gateway!

NY Times — I doubt that Agent Orange and Mr Obama will come to an agreement. If by some chance they do, I agree TC, Boehner will get Teabuggered. The Republican/Teabaggers are such a bunch of misanthropes!

MSNBC — And this is what the Congress is spending Americans' hard earned money on? It's not just Gomert that is a lunatic, it is the whole damn bunch of them! There is a fiscal "speed bump" to deal with and the lunatics think the word "lunatic" should have priority?!?

Cartoon — I was just thinking of this yesterday when I realised it was 06/12/12. Wasn't it FDR that referred to 07/12/41 as "a date that shall live in infamy"? And the US declared war on Japan 08/12/41 and shortly thereafter, entered the war in Europe. And despite all the deaths that total between 50 and 70 million, humans still haven't learned to get along. ARRRRGGHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday December 7, 2012, 3:20 pm
Jim, this is from Wikipedia

"It was the most widespread war in history, with more than 100 million people serving in military units. In a state of "total war", the major participants placed their entire economic, industrial, and scientific capabilities at the service of the war effort, erasing the distinction between civilian and military resources. Marked by significant events involving the mass death of civilians, including the Holocaust and the only use of nuclear weapons in warfare, it resulted in 50 million to over 70 million fatalities. These deaths make World War II by far the deadliest conflict in all of human history."

As to what would have happened had the Allies not won the war, I shutter to think. This was not a US win but an Allied win, but I know you didn't mean any disrespect to the other allied combatants.


Mary T (178)
Friday December 7, 2012, 5:23 pm
Thanks Tom for another great post and hope you are feeling better.

Jim P (3257)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:31 pm
Thanks to Lynn Squance for clarifying the history of WW II for me as to how many people died during that time.
WW II "resulted in 50 million to over 70 million fatalities. These deaths make World War II by far the deadliest conflict in all of human history.""

There was no disrespect on my part regarding the Allies of WW II. Completely slipped my mind.

Yes, you are correct in that the only time Atomic Bombs, two of them, were ever used in the mass destruction
of peoples all at once on two separate occasions. It did bring about the end of the Pacific Front much sooner. Some historians have said that many lives, on both sides, were saved by the use of those 2 atomic bombs.

The nuclear weapons that some countries have today are enormous, much more destructive than the
two which were used in WW II combined by 50 times (estimated).

Yes, we all shudder to think what might be if the Allies had lost WW II...

And we all shudder to think what would happen if just one of those "enormous" nuclear bombs were to
ever be dropped...


. (7)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:03 pm
Thanks for a great post TomCat and thanks to Kit, Jim and Lynn for their informative responses. I enjoyed the Robert Redford video. Hope you are feeling better!

Lynn Squance (235)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:44 am
"How appropriate - the advertisement before the Ed Show video was for Alli a "fat reducer" that causes "anal leakage"...a definition for Louie Gohmert. This is a man in the United States House of representatives. How embarrassing for all of us. "

Oh Kit, ROTFLMAO! I wish I could have seen that ad. How appropriate indeed!


Marilyn L (107)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 1:49 pm

Lois Jordan (63)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:00 pm
Much thanks, Tom. I particularly liked the Redford was sent to me earlier this week, but I hadn't had time to watch, so I did now. Great impact! I hope this one goes viral.

Dotti L (85)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:15 pm
Thanks to everyone (you too John G.) for your comments and Tom for the article.


James Maynard (84)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:37 pm
Here's a salute to all our troops, living and dead.
Thank you!

penny C (83)
Tuesday December 18, 2012, 5:47 am
Thanks for posting this Tom.

P A (117)
Saturday December 22, 2012, 7:46 am
Glad to see you are getting a bit better TC - take it slowly!
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