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Open Thread - 6/13/2012

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, Videos )

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Carlene V (202)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:23 am
Thanks Tom. I can't help but smile at the Grand Jury investigation of McDonnel. He of the upstanding, good Christian, family values (does that include taking $$ for his daughter's wedding?), vaginal ultrasound. Who will pay for the lawyers to help him out of this scandel?

Gene J (290)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 5:33 am
You're not the only one who misses Chet Huntley. I miss David Brinkley and Walter Cronkite too, giants of journalistic integrity. It's interesting to listen to that speech because the thing that leaped out at me from it, apart from the obvious, was the absence of the word woman, our constitution and laws ought be not only color blind but gender blind as well. We still haven't gotten to the place JFK envisioned, but we're moving in that direction. I was 13 years old then, I remember the times well. I had no direct experience of racism as a kid growing up in an all white farming community. I didn't meet an African-American until I joined the service 5 years later. We have come a long way but we have a long way yet to travel. And, as that bigot of the 70's, Archie Bunker, would say, "you ain't seen nothing yet."

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Thursday June 13, 2013, 6:23 am

Kit B (276)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 8:59 am

I miss those giants of journalistic integrity. I remember also that when a personal opinion was offered, it was clearly stated as personal opinion.

All the arguments now being offered for why some Americans should have less rights than others, have all been heard in the past. The same tired speeches, designed to make the most insecure and easily frightened go crawling to the safe place called bigotry.


Pat B (356)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 10:35 am
Thank you, Tom for this.

P A (117)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 10:57 am
Brilliant videos TC and most instructive. I hope each of us is gifted with all the virtues of the original rights activists (in every sphere) they had to be so tough and determined and moral to survive!

Re surveillance there has never ever been a govt dept that has just stopped at a certain point with the powers they were given it is human nature to always want more and to be able to justify that. I am reminded of WWII when at the start only two govt depts in the UK were allowed to demand to see people's papers and find out private info on them by the end of the war that had multiplied to astonishing numbers. It is a sober warning (in a mass of other warnings about this).

Secret courts giving judgments on people who have no right of defence have occurred several times in history notably the Star Chamber of Henry VII in England. Hen VII instituted a reign of terror anyone could be hauled up in front of that court on trumped up charges and fined colossal amounts or much much worse. Every single bad government in history has done this and I don't want them to recur again anywhere!!

Springwater Ocoee (14)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:52 pm
we should never see color or gender play a part in anything,but we know it does as a society so lets work on being one as we should be.

Carol H (229)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:54 pm
thanks Tom, noted

James Maynard (84)
Thursday June 13, 2013, 7:55 pm
[ Am I the only one that misses Chet Huntley? ]
Oh gosh no...... Chet, David, Walter were
easily my heroes early on. I could even mimic
their voices. I wanted to be them and actually
did public affairs/newspaper/radio/tv in the
military. Am so disappointed with the state of
our current "Fourth Estate."

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday June 14, 2013, 1:13 am
Puzzle 3:25 Damn, that little fur ball was chasing me, trying to nip my cute little pussy cat tail!

MSNBC "secret power virtually guarantees abuse" That is so true. There is no way to verify the abuse unless someone like Snowden speaks up. Civil disobedience, which I believe was Snowden's original action, is legitimate. But I am afraid that he has crossed the line by his second revelation the US hacking of China's computer systems. There is always more no matter what side of the fence people stand!

MSNBC McDonnell and Cuccinelli both under investigation. What a team! Poor Virginia! What will happen to the Virginia Republican/Teabaggers?

MSNBC JFK Jr has always been a favourite of mine because he stood up against the racism that George Wallace not only espoused, but actively worked to keep in place. I have seen several articles today about Wallace standing resolute at U of Alabama to block the entrance of two black students. But Kennedy just "knocked" him aside and history was changed. It doesn't mean that more changes are not needed, but those were big steps in 1963. I was 11 at the time and remember seeing it.

Cartoon As Martin Luther King Jr said "We shall over come." and that applies equally to the attempts in the 21st century to suppress the black vote, the Hispanic vote etc.

paul m (93)
Friday June 14, 2013, 2:59 am


Birgit W (160)
Friday June 14, 2013, 2:19 pm

. (0)
Friday June 14, 2013, 3:10 pm
Thank you.

Jason R (67)
Friday June 14, 2013, 5:45 pm
Please note

Sheila D (28)
Friday June 14, 2013, 6:11 pm
Great articles, TomCat. Gosh, 50 years after Kennedy and we're still having problems. Let's hope it doesn't take another 50 years to call everyone who lives in the US an American, instead of referring to their color, religion, political agenda, or "whatever".

TomCat S (129)
Saturday June 15, 2013, 1:20 am
Thanks everyone. Great comments all.

Dotti L (85)
Saturday June 15, 2013, 7:32 am
Late as usual, but read and noted.

TomCat S (129)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 1:13 am
Thanks Dotti!

Winn A (179)
Sunday June 16, 2013, 12:26 pm
I miss Huntley and Brinkley too. And, I remember where I was working the day JFK was shot and all the events of that terrible day. People talk about the "good old days" but I would much rather look ahead to the future. I have to be hopeful that as the days go forward we as a nation will become more awake to stop injustice, become more tolerant and teach the next generation to do the same. Remember, hate is not a family or a human value.
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