Saturday July 20, 2013, 2:21 am
I have long attempted to explain that there is a difference between authentic Christianity and Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christianity. While the former respects the views of others, the latter attempts to force their views on others. While the former is motivated by love toward others, the latter is based on hatred for all who are different. While the former practices meeting the needs of the poor, the latter focuses on assuaging the greed of the 1%. I’m happy to learn that authentic Christianity is rising.
Saturday July 20, 2013, 2:59 am
"Of course, the biggest opponent of Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christianity is Jesus, because they are today’s version of the Pharisees and Sadducees that he drove from the temple. Authentic faith is never a threat to others, no matter what the religion. That occurs only when faith is replaced by extreme dogma." TomCat I do SOOOO agree with you! It would be wonderful if the number of religious conservatives shrinks in each generation, it really would, though I can't quite believe it!
Saturday July 20, 2013, 3:19 am
Authentic Christianity?... As there is no credible scientific or factually reliable evidence for the existence of god, gods or the supernatural... What is a 'Christian'?... A waste of space?
Saturday July 20, 2013, 6:22 am
"the percentage of religious conservatives shrinks in each successive generation, with religious progressives outnumbering religious conservatives in the Millennial generation.”
+++++++++++++ Really? I'd hope so. Of course, the numbers of atheists are increasing quickly, too! I never thought I'd see a time when I could stand up and proclaim that THERE IS NO PROOF OF ANY GODS and be safe. It's gratifying!
Saturday July 20, 2013, 7:40 am
while David B maybe right and there is no god or God...unfortunately, so much happens on this planet in the name of God that we can't simply ignore it........I do encourage all people to share their own personal spiritual views and accept all others, would make the world a better place....
Saturday July 20, 2013, 9:36 am
I am somewhat impatient! Time for another knock 'em down, drag 'em out Temple clearing!
There is too much influence in politics and policy making by the pseudo Christians. That must end now! Separation of church and state must be up held!
BTW, the outside sign at my church reads "Separation of church and hate!" which I thought was cool! I get into discussions of US politics as effected by the right wing fanatical evangelical pseudo Christians with our minister who is fairly knowledgeable on the situation. Funny, north of the 49th and we have these discussions. IMO (humble or not), extremists of any religion, Christian, Judaic, Islamic … whatever, will be the downfall of the human race, and we already have enough strikes against us what we climate change etc that we don't need more. John Lennon said it well … "Imagine …"
Whether one believes in God or not, it is the ability to listen to others and accept the person, not necessarily his/her religious beliefs. Where I have the biggest problem is in so called religious people who put their religious dogma ahead of respect for people, compassion and mercy, and who use their religion against others.
Respect, compassion and mercy are universal qualities and DO NOT rely on religious piety, thank goodness. If they did, the world would be in a bigger mess than it is.
Saturday July 20, 2013, 2:46 pm
..indeed..it has to be done from the inside..by those that know and can discern....part of contending for the Gospel..thing is..you gotta know what your taking about first...but it can be done..and it will be done..its being done...thankfully...x
Saturday July 20, 2013, 3:41 pm
The very sad part is that the Republican Christian machine makes all Christians look bad. I am not a religious person and I have even found myself moving away if someone says they are a Christian.
Saturday July 20, 2013, 5:46 pm
...wouldnt dare say so..if'n i didnt know so...:)..we all walking different paths..all doing different stuffs...we all shifting and moving this world forward....dont knock a brother till u realise hes ur sister..:)..x
Saturday July 20, 2013, 6:35 pm
If you know your church history you know Constantine changed it all.
If you don't know your church history and you're interested, check out Tentmaker. It is an on line site loaded with information on how the church was turned into a pagan organization that the (((pagans)))...hugs... don't want either, It's a large and comprehensive site that contains the earliest teachings of the disciples and the first Christians.
If you fear that a loved one is in Hell.....you will find reassurance and comfort in that site TENTMAKER.
I'm talking about biblical reassurance. Scripture after scripture after scripture
Christianity was reformed to allow the money/power people to frighten and control the populace,
Most Christians don't want to know and don't care about the facts. They are not in the church to worship Creator anyhow, They are in the church because that's where there families and friends are. They are in the church to make business contacts. They are in the church to socialize. I advise these Christians, and they have a right to feel the way they do, I sincerely caution these christians.... Don't Go Near That Site!!!
Saturday July 20, 2013, 7:29 pm
Beth, It might be useful to stop and listen to some other points of view, particularly, here, Zee's.
The R.C. Church has a VERY long history of cherry picking the supposed scriptures, erasing, or trying to erase what they did not find useful, and the like...for the purpose of more firmly establishing control and power over what the flock would think. They are not called the "flock" because they think for themselves.
Lynn.S., I can't send you a new star, yet, but your commennts rock, especially the second one.
David B., while I also come from an Atheist position, I take umbrage at you comment that these people are a"waste of space;" see that as over the top harsh.
However, when Christians, or anyone else, tells me that I MUST accept their point of view, or roast in Hell, etc. it does tend to get my dander up. I see it as an insult, both personally and to my intelligence.
I see them living within the grasp of a delusion,albeit a culturally supported delusion, just like those who once believed in Apollo, and his Oracle, or Zeus, or Daphne.
I was in Ybor City, Florida, not long ago, and saw a major Scientology center, and felt very sad for those folks, also taught a bunch of fairy tales. Also, for the sake of money and power.
Saturday July 20, 2013, 10:51 pm
The problem with religion is it becomes a system of rules. Who wants to enforce rules? The power/money people.
If you choose to research you will find that the translators and early authorities agreed that is was ok to LIE for the good of the flock. And lie they did as they constructed a spirit/mind prison for those who truly wanted the goodness that Yahshua (Jesus is a Greek name) the goodness that Yahshua wanted us to find within, The kingdom of God is within.
I say the only "religion" that is true is not a religion. It is our personal relationship with Creator, if we so freely choose. It's a choice and not a threat. In my relationship with my Higher Power, he proves himself to me again and again and again. He changed my life into a life of joy and healing and giving to others.
Atheists need not believe what I say.
But neither will I believe a great assortment of materials could be dumped together and in the morning, without any intelligent help at all a beautiful creation, intricate could appear in infinite detail and endure for thousands of years. That's a simile of what the atheists would love to force me to believe about the intricate creation of this universe.
NO. I prefer a relationship with my Creator that proves itself over and over again with evidence such as healings of inside tooth decay, diabetes and other various physical problems that my Creator healed and there was evidence in the doctor's ex rays. More proof continuously comes to me,
You Christians go ahead and believe the terror tales that the enemy has sown, if that's your choice. Or do some research and experiments and do what you have been forbidden to do..,,,,THINK. Your Bible says,
"Come let us reason together," The church tells you Believe what we tell you to believe. You aren't smart enough to understand it without our interpretations,
You Atheists continue to believe in what you yourselves would call impossible, such as an accidental creation of the infinite detail and beauty of our universe.
I will continue to live and walk with my Creator, having all that I do to be blessed.
Sunday July 21, 2013, 2:04 am
Thanks to all. Kudos to Mitchell and Zee.
David, without intending to offend, I hope you realize that the person trying to shove atheism down the throats of others, while belittling others who disagree, is no different than the Republican Supply-side pseudo-Christians.
Sunday July 21, 2013, 3:08 am
Green stars to Tom Cat - your words throughout were spot on. thank you and for the article.
To Beth M - you're right in may of your thoughts, especially - Don't knock a brother...
To Lynn - can't give you another star, tho you earned it.
Religion is a touchy subject to most - whether you believe or not, what your beliefs are, the differences go on and on. Even here where we are supoosed to be so tolerant...Right.
This article brings hope, however I don't think the true Christians will be here soon enough to really help. I do believe they will be the key for the next generations to continue, and keep the pseudos in check. Tolerance is also the key to getting anything changed - tolerance between us ALL - no one group will be effective.
Sunday July 21, 2013, 7:35 am
TomCat, your point to David is more to the point than mine, thank you. But, you might as well have included, beyond the Republican supply siders, the entire Evangelist troupe.
Sunday July 21, 2013, 7:40 am
Zee's point of 10:51PM, yesterday, dovetails with my point of yesterday, and I think that any research ought to begin with The Council Of Trent...especially for those who think that the churches are somehow above lying through their holy teeth!
Sunday July 21, 2013, 12:55 pm
THANK YOU so much for your support Mitchell.
The Council of Trent and many many other proofs are all available through the site TENTMAKER. It is chock full of information and history. It has videos and early Christian writings and.....and....and.
For a long time I wanted to get hold of the early writings. This site is a sheer delight to me filled to overflowing with facts.
Hell is a pagan teaching. Words translated as hell did not have todays meanings. There's a lot of info on that and other mistranslations. However, I first got my realization that there is no ETERNAL punishment when I read 1 Corinthians 15:21-29 - For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. The TWIN passage is in Romans 5:12-21 These two scriptures are backed up by a long, long list of scriptures all through the Bible. And they are on the site TENTMAKER.
I think it's the ultimate cruelty to teach that loved ones are in hell.
Monday July 22, 2013, 1:54 am
Kudos to Mitchell and Zee.
Mitchell, I avoided the term evangelical, because I actually know evangelicals who are also authentic Christians. They witness their faith more than I find palatable, but the reject the hatred and piety enforcement of the pseudo-Christians. They are happy to coexist with people of other beliefs.
Monday July 22, 2013, 6:46 pm
"Authentic Christianity?" Well, if they're going to be "authentic," they should be very certain they know what that means.
Remember the nasty, violent god of the old testament? Remember the god who murdered thousands of infants? Destroyed entire cities? Drowned millions of innocent animals? Remember the one who punished his ''most faithful servant Job" in horrible ways, just to win a bet with Satan? Right--that one.
Sometimes, people tend to imagine gentle Jesus erased all that smiting, cursing, admitted jealousy and hatred.
Tuesday July 23, 2013, 3:26 am
Thanks Beth and Mitchell.
Pam, Jesus said that, if we love God and love others, that is all it took to fulfill the law. You also confuse worship of God with worship of a book. In my opinion, the Bible is partly divinely inspired, partly humanly inspired, and partly uninspired.
Tuesday July 23, 2013, 7:51 am
Tom...I'm your friend and mean no disrespect. HOWEVER...the bible is either true or it's false. It's a huge mistake to selectively pick and choose what's right and what isn't. The reason religious people cause so much trouble in society is that they pick and choose--eliminating the parts THEY don't like while attempting to impose the parts they DO like on the rest of us.
Look at how many Muslims claim the Quran is ''peaceful and loving." But, if you've read it, you see it's FULL of vile punishments, admonitions, etc.....just like the old testament, on which it's based.
Did you read the link I provided? What's ''loving'' about any of that? And yet.....it's supposedly the word of Jesus as recorded in the bible.
It makes MUCH more sense to follow a deliberate code of morality.
Tuesday July 23, 2013, 5:03 pm
..Jesus didnt have the bible...he had jewish prophetic teachings....Jesus taught that if you wanted to know the nature of God..then to look no further than himself..There is no mention of Jesus telling folks to become Christians...You cannot become a Christian...God annoints...Become a disciple of Jesus?..a disciplined follower..is very different to someone who goes to church on sunday and recites the book of proverbs....A Christed one offers their body daily to God Almighty for his works. A follower of Jesus/?Yeshua is a really radical person...who has left self behind and has faith and trust in God unto death...death by peers...death by circumstance...because a person with an ego and an agenda cannot do the works of God...for he will be doing his own works...those who have ears to hear will hear....If you cant understand your way thru the textual anomalies..you perhaps should study something else...The works of God r written on your heart...when you hear the call..you follow...and those who come to kill with their words and disbelief will always do so....Gods eyes roam back n forth across the earth looking for someone to do his works...the call is in your heart....and when God finds you ready...do you think hes gonna pat u on the head and give u a fluffy gift...oh m y no....he will drag u thru fire and forge you till u weep...to m ake u ready for his task..as you bleed and lose friends and get spat on....
.You still wanna work for our Lord?....x