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Putin Bans Protests and Meetings


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Bigotry, LGBT, World )

TomCat
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TomCat S. (231)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 1:05 am
The Republican party seems to have set down roots in Russia, where it’s positions and policies are championed by Vladimir Putin. While he is telling the IOC that there will be no persecution of LGBT people during the Sochi Olympics, his actions indicate that the exact opposite is true.
 

AniMae Chi (432)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 1:33 am
What a pain, move them to Vancouver!
 

Nyack Clancy (451)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 1:41 am
Yes, the Republican party would be right at home in Russia with Vladimir Putin.

You have to laugh at their insanity tho, to stand up and scream that Obama is a "commie socialist".

One day, the GOP is going to come face to face with themselves, and what they value so greatly and admire, the very things they have considered "the enemy" all this time. One can only secretly wish Joseph McCarthy was alive to interrogate his own party.
 

Gene Jacobson (255)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 1:45 am
I agree, Tom. I read the article indicating Russia has sent a letter to the IOC promising to be good, during the Winter Olympics. I don't believe them. I don't believe they set aside their law and history for a couple weeks next winter. I do believe anyone speaking out while there faces prosecution or deportation at best. I do not believe Russia can guarantee the safety of the athletes, or their companions or visitors. I believe the true Russia is the one supporting Assad and not at all worried about the use of chemical weapons against the civilian population. I believe the true Russia is and should be a pariah among nations until they become part of the civilized world, China too. And I believe the Winter Games of 2014 MUST be pulled from Russia, public shaming might move them to reform, giving in to their bias and their false promises will only encourage them. This we must not do. Our own humanity demands this of us and I certainly hope the IOC gets it. There are more important things than Games to worry about and ending the persecution of the LGBT community is one of them.
 

GGmaSheila D. (169)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:09 am
If we pull the games there will be political repercussions...Putin is just waiting for that. Not certain what he hopes to achieve with this hate campaign, but you can be certain it's bigger than this whole sickening circus show he has going now.
 

Carrie B. (315)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:36 am
Send them away!
 

Pat A. (116)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 3:27 am
As I understand it (please correct me if I am wrong) none of us can help the sexual orientation we are born with – I cannot help being heterosexual, others can't help it either, and a smaller proportion of the population can't help being gay/lesbian, and just as this orientation isn't in the least bit of our choosing, we shouldn't pat ourselves on the back or wail either because of it.

According to QI (programme on BBC, chaired by Stephen Fry) scientists have now discovered around 8 – 10% of animal populations are gay – though I would like to see the proof so I can quote it to the Right Wing Extremists. I would like to say "Well if scientists have discovered gay populations in animals, that proves surely that it isn't a matter of choice, it is a matter of genetics – or God, and the Right Wing and Extremists who hate gays should realise that." – but I do realise that it doesn't seem to be a matter of reason at all – most sadly.

Oh – I have just found this https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=gay-animals-and-evolution

I agree TC – the Winter Olympics should move to Vancouver – Putin cannot be trusted to keep his word, sadly – and it seems that he is only offering not to persecute gays for the few days of the Winter Olympics – what happens outside that time?

Have just read GGma Sheila's post - she's right and I hadn't thought of that - Putin's actions are rarely if ever straightforward - she's right, he will have another goal in mind - our outrage would have been foreseen. What is he up to?! Green star Sheila!

 

Birgit W. (152)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 5:50 am
Boycott the Winter Olympics. All Olympic games are a waste of money anyway.
 

pam w. (191)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 6:51 am
Sorry you feel that way, Birgit. The Olympics are a wonderful opportunity for young people to compete in sports and they represent an IDEAL of international harmony. I guess you've never imagined yourself representing your country in competition where you could WIN?

I'm always wryly amused by people who claim that something ''is a waste of money." Where do you think that money goes? It feeds families, funds innovation, provides entertainment and inspiration around the world to families and young people who realize that they, too, can break records and be ''the best.''

Sorry you don't see that.
 

Mari 's (1364)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 7:47 am
tyvm TomCat! Yes send them away lock them up AFTER they are changed with crimes against humanity!!!!
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 7:48 am
Putin (" saw his soul, and it was good," (Bubba the false president), is modeling himself after Stalin, is not so much a Communist as a Fascist, which is really where Stalin stood. Marx would clearly see the difference...there is no concern for the (or any) people, just for power and control.
The Republicans, Nyack, who call Obama a "commie socialist," are only talking in their "code" just as Bubba was, when he said "...and it was good." Does that not have a familiar ring? Think Genesis. Think religius right sheep, you know, "The flock." The code is for the purpose of marshalling these right wing sheep.
The Republicans want nothing more than to keep feeding the wealth of the Plutocrats, with the unwitting help of the idiot sheep, who may really think that small gov't is best, while they don't mind that small gov't peeking into every woman's uterus, etc.
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 8:03 am
Pat A., thank you for the Scientific American link.
Anyone interested in further reading, is urged to check out a small, now old, book, called "Sunday's Women." The title comes from an old nursery rhyme.
 

Dotti Lydon (112)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 8:09 am
I agree with moving the Olympics to Vancouver. Selfishly, in Vancouver, I might be able to attend.
 

Michael Kirkby (86)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 8:56 am
You may be right Gene about Putin and Assad. Although I'm not a fan of Assad neither am I a supporter of the rebels either. One is just as bad as the other. I wouldn't put it past the rebels to have gassed all those people. You have to understand their paradigm. They will sacrifice entire villages as collateral and necessary damage if it helps them score points in the western media. That will result in funding and arms. Arafat and Fatah as well as Hamas understood that perfectly. Take the sacrificed child of the sniper or the alleged massacre at Jedda which the world was all too ready to crucify Israel for. Fortunately the truth became public but many of the public and the Fourth Column still choose to drink the Kool-aid.
Putin is an intelligent and astute man. He does have an ulterior agenda. If you pull the Olympics after Russia has spent all that money creating the Olympic Village at the expense of the people and their environment - you can bet there will be repercussions. Russia is a schizophrenic nation that can never seem to make up its mind whether it's eastern or western or both. It needs to be ruled by an iron hand and Putin at this time is that hand - like it or not. It is your choice to go or to boycott the Games in Russia. Your decision as all decisions bears responsibility.
 

Allan Yorkowitz (448)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 10:13 am
What the hell does Putin have to do with the GOP's beliefs? If anything, it's been the GOP that has fought the Russians politicially, socially, and economically.Reagan should only rise up and smack this author it the head.
Premiere Putin would never have gained this power during a Republican administration.
Only Nyack can bring up the 1950's in her ramblings about nothing. Prior to this, she accued the GOP for calling Obama a "commie", which had not a damn thing to do with this article.
 

Lynn Squance (232)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 12:42 pm
You can take the man out of the KGB, but you can't take the KGB out of the man! Putin is so addicted to power and the fear of that power that is instilled in the people, that he will never change.

The last time that Russia held an Olympics, there were boycotts and the games were anything but Olympic. What is it with Russia and the Olympics?
 

Yvonne White (233)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 12:44 pm
Putin & the American NeoCON RepubliCONs are trying to reinstate "the good ol' days" of the Cold War & the Arms Race (the Only race they approve of Completely!;)
Y'all need to stop with personal attacks because the Care2 cops frown on it - and it NEVER changes anyone's mind any way.
 

Robert B. (58)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 1:09 pm
It's what tin horn dictatorships do best. The good news is that evil eventually destroys itself.
 

Chris C. (151)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:06 pm
It would be a terrible tragedy for those ahtletes that have trained so hard for so many years to boycott the Olympics. I'd love to see them pulled out of Russia and moved to Vancouver. Wow - Slimeball Putin would be so PISSED and embarrassed!
 

monka blanke (84)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:22 pm
Putin loves his power, he can't afford "whistleblowers", so he tries to shut all up in advance.
 

Gloria picchetti (300)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:31 pm
I bet the Olympics are going to be a disaster very lots of violence and a very bad attendance.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 2:42 pm
Russia is headed for another revolution. Hopefully, this time, the people will win.
 

Kate Kenner (207)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 3:11 pm
All I an this is that I am amazed at his inflated sense of ego and power.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 3:41 pm
If there is an Olympic ideal it is certainly one which was never practiced in antiquity! Contestants were killed and maimed. Contestants and trainers alike routinely accepted big money to predetermine results. If I were an LGBT contestant I would boycott, even if it meant dropping out at the last minute. Yes, that would let down the rest of my team. My team which, like my country, failed to defend me from the kind of abuse that Russia can dish out. Some team.
 

S J. (118)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 4:09 pm
Ban Putin
Thanks TomCat.
 

Jo SICK (526)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 4:37 pm
Noted & shared.
Russia must be held completely responsible if anything happens to anyone on their soil!!!
Thanks TomCat.
 

Dave C. (227)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 5:14 pm
thanks.....
 

Sheila D. (26)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 6:17 pm
Interesting to note that these Olympics are far more political than the China Olympics. Putin just can't help himself; has to make a mess of the Games, cause problems, and drive people away. This should be an opportunity for Russia to encourage tourists, instead they are guaranteeing the minimum turnout.
To Pat A; I read information on LGBT several decades ago that indicated people were born with their sexual orientation already built in. The numbers quoted at that time were 6% of the mammal population, which, of course, includes ALL animals along with humans. The parents I know who have gay or lesbian children usually knew by the time the child was three or four years old. Not all, but more often than not.
Thanks for the article, TomCat.
 

Barbara V. (51)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 8:37 pm
Uh-oh. Does that mean Putrin is putrid? Has all the earmarks.
 

Edith B. (145)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 9:07 pm
Remember when Dubya looked into Putin's heart and liked him. He saw another Republican.
 

Robert K. (31)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 9:28 pm
Bush banned protests within blocks of his appearances and now his pal Pooty Poot has taken up the torch,

And wingnuts claim Democrats are the communists? As Bugs Bunny would say, "What a bunch of maroons."
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Saturday August 24, 2013, 9:36 pm
I hope everyone is able to get through the Games without incident. The Olympics is supposed to be about celebrating the joy of physical accomplishment. It's such a shame when the needs and dreams of the athletes who've worked so long and hard to get there are pushed aside as being unimportant. It's possible to find a reason to protest or boycott any Olympic games no matter where they're held (since there's always going to be something about pretty much any nation that some will find outrageous or wrong.)

Putin's an ass and his policies are wrong with regard to gays. But that's not the fault of the athletes and they shouldn't have to pay the price for the world's outrage against Russian policies.
 

Inge Bjorkman (146)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 12:40 am
Stop the Olympic Games, there are too many losers there and too few winners. Is also unacceptable with all doping.

Love
 

TomCat S. (231)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 1:00 am
Thanks to all but one. Kudos to Edie, for encapsulating Putin in two short sentences.

From what I understand people are born on a scale that goes from way gay to way straight. People in the middle may be bisexual or choose a sexual preference, but people near the ends are gay or straight from birth.

I appreciate what the athletes go through, as I was an alternate on a national team in the 1960s. Were it not for an illness I would have gone to Mexico City, and I agree, that it would be unfair to punish our athletes for Putin's behavior. But, if the games are not moves, I certainly support any athletes who choose to boycott the games.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 6:43 am
It's a shame that the Russian constitution hasn't got a clause to protect the country against this sort of misuse of power. They can make a change.
 

Dandelion G. (385)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:12 am
You cannot currently send a star to Lindsey because you have done so within the last day. I'm in agreement.

The Olympic's should not become a political football. There are other Countries that are not at all doing right by it's people yet the Olympic's went on. Highlighting the social injustice, protest, boycott Russian products is one way, but these young people work their whole lives for this chance, a lot of monies were put into their training, they shouldn't become the sacrificial lambs.

Is not so easy to simply move such an undertaking, people have their lodging secured, the travel expenses based on where the games were set up. Is easy for those who were not going there to begin with but there are major logistics behind putting such large events on.
 

Lindsey O. (19)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 9:34 am
True, Dandelion. It's impossible to change the location - cities begin building venues and doing logistical planning for an Olympics years in advance. Games locale can't just be shifted at the last minute - there isn't a city in the world that's "Olympics ready" without those years of planning and building.
 

Jennifer C. (169)
Sunday August 25, 2013, 5:25 pm
Thanks.
 

TomCat S. (231)
Monday August 26, 2013, 3:06 am
Thank you all.
 

Melania Padilla (184)
Monday August 26, 2013, 9:06 am
What the hell....
 

Sergio Padilla (62)
Monday September 2, 2013, 5:55 pm
Noted
 
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