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Open Thread - 8/29/2013

US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread, Videos )

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Danuta W (1248)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 3:34 am

P A (117)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:17 am
"This is where head of the Republican bar (& Lounge) association, John Boehner, aka Agent Orange, promises to blackmail the American people, by holding our good faith and credit hostage. We compromised with them on this once before, but instead of keeping their word and negotiating a real solution, Republicans stonewalled, thus giving us the Republican sequester. The key is to not cave-in to ANY of their ludicrous demands. If they inflict pain, because they don’t get their way, it’s part os the sad price Americans must pay for being foolish enough to believe what Republicans said in 2010."

I totally agree TC – SHAME on the Republican Party!


P A (117)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:17 am
PS – PLEASE have a rest after your enormously long day with such a horrendous journey to see the doctor – we don't want you getting extra ill again! Congrats on day 76 too!

Past Member (0)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:28 am

David C (133)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:40 am
thanks....and love the great new name O'Lielly......that is so correct

Kit B (276)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 6:59 am

There are renegades in the GOP that claim they want to shut down the government but they know that the price is too high. The first time a mother/father or a spouse calls their Congressional representative to find out why their son/husband//father/daughter/mother/wife has not been paid, even while severing in Afghanistan, political rhetoric quickly becomes empty words. It's so easy to stand on political "beliefs" when your own bank account is FAT and happy. These buffoons will have to be reined in by older wiser politicos that know the price of peddling foolishness. There will be wrath at the ballot box.

Lona G (80)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 7:21 am
As you know I've been following your thread and articles for a while now to educate myself on American politics and lately I got the impression that Republicans were (too slowly) on their way out. Well, at least the GOP as a bunch of angry, old, white men is, but as Ed's video showed, Republicans have tapped into an old source again, one that has been cosmetically hidden for a while, but which is back with a vengeance: racism. And this is the all including racism of the worst kind: the discrimination of any minority be it on the basis of colour, gender, sexual preference, religion, age... you name your group of 'hate' and the Republicans will cater to your needs. In the South it may be the old "black" variety, in the West it may be the "Latino" variety, in the Midwest perhaps has a preference for "women", the Republicans lend you an ear for your grievances and a village to buy to start your own little kingdom of hate. I0m afraid TomCat, that America indeed has a long way to go... in getting rid of the Republican dominion.

I've had my say on the tread "War With Syria is Not Inevitable, Someone Should Alert the Media", so I'm not going to repeat all that, but both Cenk and you are right, TomaCat. The US will go despite a majority opposition by the people, the decision has been made, and the ones to lose are the Syrian civilians, especially if drones are used for 'surgical precision'.

Please take care of yourself after your trip to the doctor. I hope everything is well.

Arielle S (313)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 8:21 am
"John Boehner, aka Agent Orange," - LOL - Perfect and from-now-on title for this person who is so aggravating I don't want to think his name, let alone say it. With approval ratings lower than that of cockroaches, Congress should be afraid - very afraid - of the wrath that is coming their way if they shut down the government.

Mitchell D (104)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 12:02 pm
At risk of being redundant, I have convinced myself that the requester was not a legitimate attempt to push congress towards a compromise, but a planned and deceitfull ploy to set up a fall back position for the Repugs, which would accomplish their agenda of taking still more from the middle and working classes; consolidate still more power for themselves and the Plutocrats whose asses they lick.

James Maynard (84)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 1:40 pm
Well, I got lost smelling the roses, uhm,
I mean the Gerberas.

Sheila D (28)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 3:07 pm
"Gimme and no". So true. Reminds me of a 4 year old every time. Thanks for the post, TomCat.

Lynn Squance (235)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 3:38 pm
Puzzle — 3:23 I don't have a garden (not allowed, but it would be dead anyway — black thumb — I can even kill silk flowers!). I would have preferred deep red or purple flowers.

MSNBC — "Pride in Prejudice" is very apt when you consider the various stances that the Republicanus/Teabaggers are taking — racism, women, labour, immigration, poverty, education, and keep adding. Yes since MLK Jr's march on Washington 28/08/63 there have been a lot of changes. LBJ made a comment (couldn't find the exact quote) that, although he very much supported it, the Civil Rights Act would likely unleash a tempest in a teapot. And it did. There has been a lot of backsliding especially in the past 4 years. Voting rights for one, and the SCOTUS helped that one by putting a legal spin to it. But as MLK Jr said "We shall overcome!"

Ed had several related segments that were very interesting flowing out of the first. And Bill O'Lielly? Anyone who listens to that has been crackpot is nuts.

TPM — It is not just the US that suffers when these arrogant Republicanus/Teabaggers play their hostage card. The entire global community pays. Various people talk about the need for anti-bullying legislation nationwide. Well I would suggest that such be aimed at the Republicanus/Teabagger dominated Congress.. Hostage taking or bullying are NOT negotiation techniques.

Crooks and Liars — Unfortunately, the video worked for a minute or so then quit, here, C&L and nothing on YouTube. However from the printed story:

Also the Atlantic's Conor Friedersdorf (and here), on why the honorable urge to "do something" about atrocities does not automatically mean dropping bombs:

The U.S. government could spend millions helping Syrian refugees… There is no shortage of humanitarian suffering for us to address, if that's how we want to spend our money, and I am fine with spending more of it helping people.

But injecting bombs and cruise missiles into a civil war probably isn't the most cost-effective way to help people. It is certainly the sort of humanitarian assistance most likely to make us bitter enemies, which inevitably happens when you pick a side and start killing some of the people on it…. Hawks are most interested in humanitarian causes that can be carried out by force. There is no reason the rest of us should share their world view.

Why would military intervention work this time when it has not worked in the past? It is a hard road to call. The video is back — I hope Cenk is wrong too!

Cartoon — Never a racist, right? What a putz! From Wikipedia:

In opposition to the Civil Rights Act of 1957, he conducted the longest filibuster ever by a lone senator, at 24 hours and 18 minutes in length, nonstop. In the 1960s, he opposed the civil rights legislation of 1964 and 1965 to end segregation and enforce the voting rights of African-American citizens. He always insisted he had never been a racist, but was opposed to excessive federal authority, and he attributed the movement for integration to Communist agitators. In 1948, Thurmond stated:

all the laws of Washington and all the bayonets of the Army cannot force the Negro into our homes, into our schools, our churches and our places of recreation and amusement.

Birgit W (160)
Thursday August 29, 2013, 5:10 pm

TomCat S (129)
Saturday August 31, 2013, 1:00 am
Thanks everyone. :-)
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