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Open Thread - 9/19/2013

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P A (117)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 3:32 am
God bless Barney Frank! Wonderful man – would that the world would listen to him!

NYTimes – I agree it does look that way (though sadly one has to be careful, and investigate, never make assumptions). Oh the poor people of Syria – and all the surrounding countries. The article also said this "Rebel forces have never penetrated the major military installations of Mount Qasioun. In tactical and technical terms, they would almost certainly have been unable to organize and fire sustained and complex barrages of rockets from that location undetected. " Seems conclusive.

Lynn Squance (235)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 3:53 am
"Ho, Ho, Ho! Merry Christmas to all you cool cats and kute kittens! Ho, Ho, Ho!"??

Are we just a tad early here, or did I miss something?

Gene J (290)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 5:04 am
Why on earth should we get past the idea that the big banks are evil? They are. That is what was at the heart of the 2008 collapse, that is what was at the heart of virtually every financial crisis we have faced, some in fact created by those businesses in order to extract MORE public money from the treasury. They are evil. There's no reason to get beyond that because nothing will change until THEY change and begin to put forth in corporate morality the simple idea that people are more important than profit. It is both possible to profit and operate a business that provides good personal services to people, they just choose not to. Well, choose again, and more wisely this time. And cut those obscenely bloated salaries while they're at it. Barney was right on target with that comment too. No one, no person is worth 40 million dollars a year, I don't care if he walks on water, no one is worth the kind of money they pay ceo's and other top executives in not only banking but all industries. No one is that smart, that unique, that important. No one. And no ONE ever will be. That is just pure bullsquat, this idea they have propagated that they must pay those salaries to retain talent. Piffle. There is talent everywhere and the very idea that 1% of us are worth, intrinsically, that much more than the rest of us is an incredible insult. One which they don't even get IS an insult, nor do their puppets in the republican party. But they will. Because their breed is dying out and we'll never let things get this out of control again.

Carlene V (202)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 6:31 am
Thanks Tom. The look on the faces of Gregory and Maria B. were priceless. Gregory lost command of the issue and Maria is so used to spewing "for" the banksters she was flummoxed! Gene is correct, no one should be paid that salary, those perks, those Golden Parachutes" when they retire or are let go. Profit is what they want, if the little guy suffers, so be it. How to get our politicians out of this mentality is the real issue and thus far the banksters are still the ruling class. Kind of like the gun issue, when something happens everyone is up in arms but in the long run they do nothing to change anything as they have to keep those campaign donations coming in.

Pat B (356)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 7:36 am
Thanks, TomCat for this. ;-)

Robert B (60)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 10:41 am
Wall Street Banksters live by the Golden Rule, those that have all the gold buy politicians to make the rules. We need to push congress on the Glass Steagal Bill introduced by Elizabeth Warren. It's our only hope.

Lynn Squance (235)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 1:04 pm
uzzle — 3:19 Were the fair winds in my favour to get my sailboat off the trailer and into the lake?

Daily Kos — Barney Frank is such a astute man. I wish there were more like him.

"…If they really are running businesses that are so stressed that they can’t do their basic work, why are they paying themselves so much money?"

Calling a spade, a spade! And everyone else was caught with their pants down. Oops indeed!

NY Times — Is the content of the report the reason that Putin started playing ball over the recovery and destruction of the chemical weapons? After all, he is Syria's ally and has an arms arrangement with Syria worth millions. I am certainly glad that the US government was challenged by the people and the Congress's own ineptitude, which effectively delayed any action other than lobbying.

TPM — McTurtle:

"It is quite common for requests of presidents to raise the debt ceiling to be accompanied by significant legislation that addresses the question of the debt,"

I find it incomprehensible that the CBO and others can show the decline in the deficit, even the continued decline over the next 5 years, but the Republicanus/Teabaggers and the electorate don't acknowledge that. The Republicanus/Teabaggers are somewhat understandable since they want to, and have been, obstructing Mr Obama. I swear those fiscal idiots would argue orange is green and vice versa just to obstruct. But the electorate, the everyday folk, needs to get engaged to understand what's happening and who is screwing them. For the most part, the Republicanus/Teabaggers are the "screwers" and the middle and working class are the "screwees". America, how's it working for you so far?

Republicanus/Teabaggers have shown over and over and over that they cannot be trusted. Defunding Obamacare is tantamount to murdering the sick and elderly who can't afford the excessive medical premiums of health insurance. Not unconditionally extending the debt ceiling is the same as defunding Obamacare in that it will "murder" the economy, kill any recovery and send unemployment higher.

McTurtle opined that "Congress has in fact packaged the debt limit with budgetary reforms several times. " Those "several times" are during the past 4.5 years. If I recall an earlier discussion correctly, prior to the last debacle over the debt ceiling, Congress almost always automatically raised the debt ceiling without all the bear scat of the Obama years. So what's the difference? The obstruction of Mr Obama, the first black president.

Cartoon — Someone surely created a monster on 19/09/82. I don't recall using one but I think I'll try now >^!^<

David C (129)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 1:07 pm
thanks, TomCat, for everything you do.....

Sheila D (28)
Thursday September 19, 2013, 10:02 pm
Love Barney Frank. Thanks for the post, TomCat; always interesting and informative.

TomCat S (128)
Friday September 20, 2013, 2:35 am
Thanks all! Kudos to Gene and Lynn.
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