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Not Enough Good Guys With Guns


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TomCat S. (231)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:29 am
Each time another mass shooting happens, people wring their hands and try yo understand why it happened. That is certainly true of the Navy Yard Shooting. One man, however stands alone in saying he knows exactly why it happened. According to Wayne LaPierre, there were not enough good guys with guns at the naval base.
 

Danuta Watola (1217)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:50 am
noted
 

Candy L. (476)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:52 am
LaPierre, kept saying we have to fix the mental health care system, Well the Republicans are the ones that destroyed mental health care by taking away funding & shutting mental hospitals down.& it started with Ronnie Raygun when he was gov of California. More good guys with guns how then do you tell who's good & who's bad = more people getting killed
 

Pat A. (116)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:18 am
LaPierre doesn't sound as if he will be happy till everyone including toddlers are armed – if this is anything to go by!! There weren't enough firearms?! What an idiot! (Don't their followers ever check the news to see if their idols have been telling the truth? Oh, silly me, of course not!).
 

Carlene V. (203)
Monday September 23, 2013, 8:29 am
Think most of us knew they'd wait a while before they came out with their reasons why so many died last week and yep, sure enough, LaPierre didn't disappoint with his imbecilic answer to less shootings. As he says we need to keep guns away from people with mental disturbances and I agree so how about we take his guns away?
 

JL A. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 9:14 am
Background checks are a key element in any constitutionally compliant approach to keeping guns away from people with mental disturbances--so why are La Pierre and the NRA fighting background check legislation again?
 

Arielle S. (317)
Monday September 23, 2013, 9:54 am
LaPierre is a mush-brained waste of skin and bones. I do wish somebody would just shoot this stupid butt.
 

Chris C. (151)
Monday September 23, 2013, 11:02 am
Wayne LaPierre is INSANE!
 

tasunka m. (338)
Monday September 23, 2013, 11:24 am
If they did proper background checks, no tea party members would be able to own guns, cause they are mentally retarded, no offense to the born retarded, I used to work at a non profit org for. Thanks TC
 

Gene Jacobson (256)
Monday September 23, 2013, 11:42 am
Candy's right. The only thing the republicans want to fund are guns and programs that discriminate against in every way women, the poor, minorities and seniors, some of whom are in more than one of those groups. The answer to gun violence is NOT more guns. That's like saying the answer to wildfires in California are more fires, or the floods in Colorado, more floods. You don't fix a problem like this without expanded mental health coverage (and this man was crying out for help long before this event) and restrictions on who can own weapons of the nature used here - no one needs assault weapons, there is no legitimate purpose outside the military, and perhaps the police force, for them. None. Their only purpose is to kill a lot of people in a hurry. And one person with one of those weapons can kill a lot of good guys with guns too. I think Wayne ought be rushing to any such events with his assault weapons and taking care of business himself instead of leading others to death's doorway with his inane comments.
 

Ben Oscarsito (358)
Monday September 23, 2013, 12:11 pm
But there are enough (a LOT of!) bad guys with guns out there, right...?
 

Gary A L. (137)
Monday September 23, 2013, 12:25 pm
the republinazi's wont be happy until they have created enough mayhem in our society so they can finish destroying our constitution
 

Barbara K. (75)
Monday September 23, 2013, 12:44 pm
This guy is a complete psycho. He is the perfect example of a person who should not have a gun.
 

Dave C. (227)
Monday September 23, 2013, 1:01 pm
I think Candy said it very well above.....
 

Beth Tatum (87)
Monday September 23, 2013, 1:21 pm
I really thought the massacre at Sandy Hook would have changed some minds about gun control, but I guess those diehard gun owners will never give up their guns. I don't know if LaPierre has a wife or children, and I'm not saving I want anything to happen to them, but I wonder how he would feel if someone he loves was killed with a gun.
 

Karin Abraham (27)
Monday September 23, 2013, 1:24 pm
This man is so very dangerous to our democracy. I am another who agrees with what Candy wrote above.
 

Lois Jordan (58)
Monday September 23, 2013, 1:42 pm
Noted. Thanks, Tom. LaPierre is the epitomy of gun nuts and proved that with his comments...but will most people finally realize that he's really just in it for the money---to continue his lavish lifestyle?
 

Jamie Clemons (283)
Monday September 23, 2013, 1:46 pm
Everytime there is a shooting people scream to take away guns. Where is the talk about mental health services. Why can't we get help for people that are ticking time bombs waiting to go off.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (114)
Monday September 23, 2013, 2:18 pm
noted, thanks
 

VinnieSick m. (327)
Monday September 23, 2013, 2:45 pm
Hi TomCat, my old friend. Long time no see. The problem is, there are already enough Gun Laws on the books, they're just not being Enforced. The bad guys can always get them on the Black Market. I know I can swing by my old home in Chi-Town, and within an hour I can buy on gun from the Gangs. Really and truelly. Of course I wouldn't but I could.
 

Joanne Dixon (40)
Monday September 23, 2013, 2:46 pm
Beth, in defense of sane gun owners (yes, there are a few), there are a LOT of gun owners out there who DO want more and better background checks, and see NO REASON why anyone would want or should be allowed to have an automatic or semi-automatic weapon other than active duty military in combat. But we don't hear from them.
 

Dianna M. (16)
Monday September 23, 2013, 2:59 pm
Hey, did anybody see the comment I posted? It seems to have disappeared.
 

Dianna M. (16)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:01 pm
Okay, I'll try again:

Let's see--Wayne LaPierre is STILL saying that there need to be "more good guys with guns." Since the NRA has a [no longer secret] database of all registered gun owners, what, exactly, do you think he's trying to tell us?
 

Robert O. (12)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:14 pm
People like him should have no business being in any type of position that has any tpe of infleunce since he's obviously demented and living in another time on some Bizarro planet.
 

Birgit W. (152)
Monday September 23, 2013, 3:56 pm
A good guy does not need a gun.
 

Colleen L. (2)
Monday September 23, 2013, 4:39 pm
What blows me away about that Navy Ship Yard shooter, was that he had been saying had been hearing people talking to him, and no one seemed to be paying attention to him. When are people going to pay attention to avoid these types of terrible incidents again?...when it's to late. My thoughts about Wayne LaPierre saying, he can stick his thought about not enough good guys with guns up his butt. Thanks TomCat
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:24 pm
From Newtown's "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.", LaPierre has moved to saying "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun are many good guys with guns." following the Navy Yard shootings. Yet still, it is but one shooter.

"…the whole country David knows the problem was there weren't enough good guys with guns … the mental health situation in the country is in complete breakdown …"

The answer to me is not specifically in the number of guns, but in who has the guns and under what criteria. LaPierre says "the mental health situation in the country is in complete breakdown …" yet he does not support reasonable gun ownership regulation that hopefully would weed out the mentally ill. He does not support legislation to close gun show and online loopholes. Personally, I agree that the mental health situation is a big concern, and LaPierre should be at the front of the line for the next secured rubber room!

Can you imagine LaPierre if Ted Cruz successfully defunds the military like he has spouted? All those profits . . . gone.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:34 pm
It's a shame we need guns to protect our families. Not a civilized world, our Planet.
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:44 pm
In another article, I was reading that there have been 16 mass shootings since Newtown, CT . . . Sixteen! Then I did some checking and in Canada there have been 13 mass shootings since 1902. WOW! What a difference. But why such a difference?

Both countries were settled by Europeans with zero regard for the indigenous peoples. Canada was settled by the French and after 1763 (the 7 Years War) by the British. The US 13 Colonies were ruled by England with some Dutch influence in New York.

So why did the US develop into a gun-toting country where Canada went the other way. I'm just asking because the answer eludes me.
 

Yvonne White (233)
Monday September 23, 2013, 5:57 pm
Good Guys wouldn't be wearing White Hats & guns strapped on their legs - I'm afraid that's what the dip$tick is fantasizing...it was just a movie, dude, John Wayne is dead..
 

Kit B. (276)
Monday September 23, 2013, 6:48 pm

I have decided to ignore that bag of wind from the NRA all that happens each time, is his worn rhetoric about the Good Guys and guns. The fact is this wind bag would have been dead at this or anyone of the many, too many past mass shootings. The Good Guys with guns was shot, his guns taken to better arm Aaron Alexis. Too many times in the past the Good Guys were there, and had to make a choice to find a better way or shoot more of the innocent. Shove that in your holster Mr La Peep.
Thanks TC
 

Elle B. (82)
Monday September 23, 2013, 7:24 pm


"We don't devote enough scientific research to finding a cure for jerks." ―Bill Watterson

“Ignorance is a lot like alcohol: the more you have of it, the less you are able to see its effect on you.” ― Jay M. Bylsma

“We owe our children – the most vulnerable citizens in any society – a life free from violence and fear.”
― Nelson Mandela
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Monday September 23, 2013, 8:31 pm
Lynn Squance, we in Canada are far more mellow and have stricter gun laws. It doesn't prevent all mass shootings but makes it more difficult.

We also don't feel that it is a right to own a firearm while Americans are still squabbling about precisely what the Second Amendment means. Some seem to think that it gives them the right to own any sort of fire power imaginable and no doubt some would have rocket launchers nestled in their living room if they could get away with along with nuclear subs in their backyard pools. Other Americans point out that it really meant an armed militia, not individuals owning the latest in weaponry.

I go for a walk at four in the morning and am not compelled to carry a gun. While there are many responsible gun owners out there, sadly there are some that are to be feared...like Zimmerman.

Some NRA types come out with 'gems' like arming the teachers as if teachers want to be on the firing range - having more weapons doesn't necessarily mean a peaceful resolution.

The Swiss have guns at home (military service re citizens) but their gun violence rate is very low, so culture and attitudes often play into it.
 

Betty Kelly (4)
Monday September 23, 2013, 9:17 pm
When "bad" people are not controled we have trouble. I have no idea how to accomplish this on a large scale.
 

GGmaSheila D. (169)
Monday September 23, 2013, 9:43 pm
I have found that many of the baddies out there have taken to wearing white hats...while they're killing.
 

Edith B. (145)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:22 pm
LaPierre is only protecting himself and his huge salary from the NRA.
 

june t. (66)
Monday September 23, 2013, 10:42 pm
what if a good guy turns bad?
 

Karen Chestney (110)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 2:19 am
this guy is a nut case!!! Spoort all gun control measures, thanks.
 

Julie W. (22)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 2:55 am
But of course! The answer to the gun problem is - more guns! Why didn't I think of that?
 

TomCat S. (231)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 4:07 am
Thanks everyone. Kudos to many.

Please understand that the notion that this is an appempt to take away the guns of legal, responsible gun owners is a lie.
 

Fi T. (16)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 4:08 am
So, never allow anyone to own a gun
 

Jennifer C. (169)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 5:32 am
Thanks.
 

Robert K. (31)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 6:36 am
One of the reasons that good guys with guns is not the solution is that by the time they become aware of the problem is that the killing has already started. But I can think of a good place for good guys with guns to take action....in the NRA headquarters where there are a lot of bad guys with guns, and they could get them before they had their guns out.

Wayne would be so proud of the good guys as he attended his buddies' funerals.
 

Winn Adams (205)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 7:42 am
LaPierre is disgusting and despicable.
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 8:23 am
Candy is VERY right!
I can't count the times I have commented on how Saint Reagan destroyed one of the best mental health systems in the country, in California.
He had the perspective, I believe, from all that he did afterwards, that that system was keeping money from the wealthy, and went after the weakest, least politically connected people he could find. His excuse was that he was trimming the budget...just like the conservatives want to trim the budget by taking food stamps from the poor!
They have no idea about eventual consequences, nor do they care. they only want to finish Reagan's war against the New Deal!
LaPierre, wants only to sell guns and the associated items, as he is working for ONLY the munitions industry.
And, no, the sheep do not look beyond the rhetoric, ever!
 

Mitchell D. (132)
Tuesday September 24, 2013, 8:25 am
Robert K., I know that fantasy!!
 

Robert K. (31)
Thursday September 26, 2013, 2:05 am
Dale O, good one, but what seems to be generally unknown is that while the Swiss take their military weapons home with them they are not allowed to have ammunition for them until they are called up to active service.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Friday September 27, 2013, 10:39 pm
Good point Robert K, but if their society were as violent they could likely buy ammunition even in the black market to carry out violent acts as they already do have the guns at hand.

Un-saintly Reagan reminds me of Stephen Harper, a wanna be tea bagger who would love to dismantle Canada's social safety net if he could get away with it.
 
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