Friday October 4, 2013, 2:28 am
Now, I’d like to sit down with you and work out a compromise, but the entire time we’re talking, I get to hold a loaded gun to your head, and if I don’t like what you have to say, I just might pull the trigger. Could you negotiate effectively under those conditions? Would you agree to do so? I couldn’t and wouldn’t, so nobody should be surprised that Barack Obama is savvy enough to refuse to talk until ALL the loaded weapons are cleared from the table.
Friday October 4, 2013, 6:01 am
We need to go back and undo this gerrymandering. It has allowed a few nuts in totally safe locations to hold the rest of the people hostage. President Obama had his own side upset with him so many times for negotiating too much with the Republicans. For anyone to say he never or hasn't negotiated hasn't been paying attention or in the case of these Tea Baggers, they paid attention and now having a hissy fit because they can't have it all their way despite what the majority of Americans want.
Friday October 4, 2013, 7:22 am
The art of political compromise has always been give and take over time--not wiping the slate clean to start it again at the point that it is your turn to give having taken more than your share.
One element that gets far too little media attention is the oversimplification approaches of the TP--example being one who voted to shut parks and other parts of government down complaining that the park wasn't open--votes where those voting apparently refuse to accept the consequences of those votes as if none of them is supposed to make a difference in the real world.
CA's proposition to address gerrymandering by taking district drawing out of the hands of the Legislature, who historically chose to protect all incumbents of both parties as their compromise, into the hands of a bipartisan group where results stood up to GOP challenges in the courts because they weren't gerrymandered may be a model for other states--especially those with citizen proposition rights.
Friday October 4, 2013, 9:30 am
"Tiiiiiime is on my side, yes it is"...rolling stones
Yes, guilt is a wondrous tool...go Obama, stay strong
Remember, we don't negotiate with terrorists, ,,just ask the government, lol
I have noticed that Al Jazeer – America news, while showing some of the republican whiners gives very little attention to that very unimportant Ted Cruz. I wish all of the local and cable channels would just ignore him. He doesn't make news unless the media makes him news. Even the Houston said he was so nuts he wasn't worth the ink to write his story.
This is country of over 350 million people, of course our government is big. They say they want government out of our lives, sure they do just not out of women's vaginas, or people having an opportunity to marry the one they love, or who serves in the military, or equal pay, or allowing every citizen to vote….and many other issues that somehow need government intervention. Feeding the poor, meals on wheels for that one hot meal a day for seniors? Nah, that's a nanny state.
(Progressives have repeatedly made significant concessions in order to protect the economy from a series of manufactured crises. Today’s manufactured crisis is no different. The Senate-passed legislation to keep the government open sets funding levels that are even lower than previous compromises. If the Tea Party shuts the government down anyway, it will not be because progressives were inflexible. (Just ask House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH)—the compromise incorporated in the Senate CR was originally his idea. ) (Center for American Progress)
Friday October 4, 2013, 10:14 am
I watched a 12 minute interview with Reince and MSNBC, mostly the two of them talking at the same time. Reince kept saying who controls the House? And the MSNBC guy kept saying, okay, there are three bodies, you control the House, Democrats control the other two, what's your point? The teapublicans, and Reince continue to insist the "people" don't want the ACA. But poll after poll shows that is not true. As does the response in these first days. They claim the President won't negotiate. Well why should he? This isn't a bill being considered but a law being implemented, both Houses passed it, the President signed it. It is law and why would he negotiate about a done deal? Reince said well the President unilaterally put off the employer mandate for a year, so why not the individual mandate? Piffle. When that is all you have to hang your hat on, well, it is going to end up on the floor. I see in today's paper Boehner is desperately looking for a way out of this mess before it gets so bad no republican will get elected next year. I'd be okay with that but understand his sense of urgency now that he realizes the people are holding his party responsible for the current mess. Appropriately so.
Friday October 4, 2013, 1:04 pm
"“As soon as we get a clean piece of legislation that reopens the government — and there is a majority for that right now in the House of Representatives — until we get that done, until we make sure that Congress allows Treasury to pay for things that Congress itself already authorized, we are not going to engage in a series of negotiations,” Mr. Obama told CNBC, …"
In other words, Mr Obama will not negotiate with domestic economic terrorists while a gun is pointed at his head. As he points out, the Congress has already incurred the expenses. So they need to 'man up' and pay the bills. And I agree with him. If you and I went out and bought a bunch of stuff on a credit card, we can't decide to negotiate about the prices we paid for stuff or paying the credit card bill. Why do the Republicanus/Teabaggers think they and the US government are any different?
"…House speaker, John A. Boehner, Republican of Ohio, said Mr. Obama “will not negotiate,” …"
Which really means "Mr Obama will not give us what we want."
"When Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, the House majority leader, was subsequently asked how Republicans could choose to help children with cancer to enroll in the clinical trials, but not allow disadvantaged children to return to their Head Start classes, he replied: “That’s coming as well. We are going to take every issue that has come up and put it on the floor.”"
That is to say that the Republicanus/Teabaggers are the little Dutch boy with his finger in the dike. Every time a new leak (complaint) comes up, he has to rush to plug that leak. It would seem prudent to plug all the leaks at once by authorising the debt ceiling increase and lifting the shutdown of the government before the dike completely washes away.
Friday October 4, 2013, 1:05 pm
In 1989 there was a bit of graffiti on the Berlin wall which said "Don't worry, Baldrick has another cunning plan" in the case of John Boehner there was no cunning plan, the Tea Partiers went to war with no backup plan, no strategy, no sense of then what. The fact is no one believes that the Republicans are he victims in this sordid ploy, unless they had a serious head injury or watch Fox news which is more or less the same thing. The fact that the Republicans refuse to negotiate shows that they really are clueless, but then that is the result of the hyper partisan politics that they fell in.
Friday October 4, 2013, 1:17 pm
Thank you for sharing such an important article and thanks to everyone for the excellent comments. Our media has failed to present the truth and exclude the garbage spewed by the bullies and thugs who are holding this nation hostage.
Friday October 4, 2013, 1:42 pm
And the KY boys think they "can win this thing". What thing!? That a coup can be pulled off within government while the outnumbering watch? Some sort of fox nation thing? Oh yeah, spend lots of money from our handlers thing.
How about we lock them up under the WH explain what is wrong with them and transport them to prison?
The revolution begins.
Friday October 4, 2013, 2:01 pm
Per the Omaha World Herald Newspaper – 10/4/13
"Four days after the federal government shutdown, due to reckless actions by the House Republicans, 800,000 federal employees across the country are still being furloughed.
Over the last four days one hundred twenty-three Congressmen and women have stepped up and are going without pay during the shutdown. Our Nebraska Congressman from the 2nd CD, Lee Terry, is not one of them. When asked if he would continue to collect his paychecks during the shutdown, Congressman Terry told the Omaha World Herald, “Dang straight. I’ve got a nice house and a kid in college, and I’ll tell you we cannot handle it. Giving our paycheck away when you still worked and earned it? That’s not going to fly.”
Rep. Lee Terry wants Nebraskans to think he’s earned his paycheck. Terry showed up for work in September for a total of nine days and got paid $14,500. As an October surprise, Terry and his right-wing Tea Party Republicans are now holding our government hostage with the political theatre of the furlough"
I called all 3 local TV stations and told them what I thought of this creep! I was already mortified and embarrassed when I saw him laughing and joking and gleeful, as they were walking out, after they shut downthe government. I've already left 3 scathing messages for him on his local phone. Of course all his staff has been furloughed! He came closer than ever before to losing during his last election - next time could be when he's GONE...I Hope! Then let's see how he pays for his kids' college and his nice house!
Friday October 4, 2013, 4:08 pm
Handled point by point rather than one big ball of wax incorporating the good/bad/excess/favor accumulations alllowed over time, would have eliminated many of the problems forever put off until push comes to shove, now all but unworkable. We all own some part of this ...
Friday October 4, 2013, 4:50 pm
Great...now I can't get that song outta ma head, Tasunka! Not only poker, Chris, I wouldn't play Chess with him either....
Silly Baggers....tricks are for kids....oh, wait....you are children (mentally, emotionally, if not physically...oh wait....are we dealing with 'little' Mr. Winkee issues too?) GROW THE ***K UP, own what you have done and pay the consequences of your actions. We, the people, SEE YOU for what you ARE and there will be a reckoning in '14 and '16. Rethug/Bagger = Sociopathic Fascist.
Yeah, I know, I am wasting my time, intelligence and words......
I hope and prey that Obama stands firm and will not be moved. It is their turn to capitulate.
Friday October 4, 2013, 9:42 pm
It occurred to me that the Republicanus/Teabaggers are all flash and no substance. Now they are howling about Mr Obama and the Democrats not being willing to negotiate. But where were the Republicanus/Teabaggers on previous occasions when Democrats proposed negotiations? Answer: nowhere to be found! I think that the Republicanus/Teabaggers are hoping the electorate will have short memories, which too often, based on past experience is true, and only remember that the GOP was ready to negotiate and the Democrats weren't during the 2013 fiscal crisis of Republicanus/Teabagger making.
The other thing, Mr Obama and the Democrats are willing to negotiate, but with a caveat — solve the shutdown and the debt ceiling limit first, then we'll negotiate. To me, that does NOT mean that Democrats are not willing to negotiate! What it does me is that the Democrats have become more savvy to Republicanus/Teabagger ways. Democrats have taken a page out of the Republicanus/Teabagger play book and altered it a bit to their style. The Republicanus/Teabaggers don't like that at all and have their knickers in a real twist such that the blood flow is being cut off.
Friday October 4, 2013, 10:28 pm
Wonder what lessons are being taught to our children right now?? How to be a hypocrite? How to lie and cheat to get what you want? If all else fails, throw a temper tantrum?? How about the old standby, It's not my fault??
Friday October 4, 2013, 11:47 pm
We would be glad to see them come back and have No Add On's aren't they always wanting more more, more? What is passed is hard to understand with all the things added! Too much Bundle-ing!!
Hang in there Obama Stand Strong! We have seen what they are made of!
Thank You Tomcat