Monday October 7, 2013, 1:45 am
When I posted in Saturday’s Open Thread that John “Agent Orange” Boehner (R-OH) was said to have promised there will be no Credit Default, even if he needed Democratic votes, I said, “The media seem to be reporting this as gospel, and I’m not saying it isn’t true, but I’m sure not ready to take it to the bank. Boehner said two months ago that Republicans would not shut down the government, so he has no credibility in such matters (or any other matters). In addition, this is just hearsay from an anonymous Republican (and therefore unreliable) source, not even from Agent Orange himself. Color me from Missouri on this one.” What Boehner supposedly said then and what he is saying now are polar opposites.
"No credit default" in propaganda twist speak ...does not equal "raising the credit limit." Given the latest exercise is dismantling the democracy of the United States of America by withholding funds to shut down the government and then doling out little "keep the peace offerings" -- funding crumbs piecemeal style [more very tired GOP divert, divide and conquer routines] -- it seems most likely that the Greedy Opportunists' Party plans to continue their economic and political "coups-in-progress" democracy take-down efforts in like form by NOT raising the credit limit and then throwing out cherry picked payments to creditors to say to their rabid electorate that they technically avoided a "default" but didn't "raise" the credit limit. All the while they actually delay and sabotage We The People's efforts to recover our economy and sustain our democracy.
This will have the same damaging effect on the US and global economies as a credit default. US Treasury technology is not programmed to pay accounts in a pick and choose manner. Just more stupid machinated maneuvers that can't work economically. Their economic acumen doesn't even exist and they don't care if it does. In a delusionally concocted grand scheme --they have all new societal constructs for a bright and shiny Free Market Corporate Kingdom on the hill from God--just lying in wait in exceptionally well-funded azz-hat wings. Their feigned finance methods cannot work except to pile up higher mounds of accumulated capital in their OWN accounts and interests...which will eventually collapse as well. This decades old planned nonsense will continue ad infinitum until the general public gets the big picture. The stupid wayward co-dependency games need to stop. . .
Monday October 7, 2013, 4:42 am
I AM from Missouri and even when I see it, I don't believe it sometimes! Boner is 'He-Who-Speaks-With-Forked-Tongue' No matter if he is speaking, if his lips are moving, he's lying or at best speaking in half-truths. I do not trust anything this creature says or does because it only benefits his Corporate Masters, his cronies or his own bottom line and NEVER the people.
I read this morning that all this shutdown is to get to Medicare and Social Security in order to cut them. Whether or not this is true or only half-true, I wouldn't put it past these Fascist Bast**ds to do it. What makes me sick in my soul is whether or not Obama has already capitulated to their demented demands…read it for yourselves….
If the President has already told Boner that he will concede to his and his party's demands, then the President truly is the best president the Rethugs have ever had and he is no Democrat, let alone a Progressive (which we know he already isn't). This really upsets me.
Monday October 7, 2013, 5:27 am
Boehner claims he knows what the American people want. No. I am an American person and he has no clue what I want.
Off topic but you know what TC I love washing clothes. It's 7:24 AM in Chicago and there I doing laundry now. I grew up in the country where we had to turn on the hot water to take a bath or wash clothes. The washing machine had a ringer that ate up your arms if you were too slow. And it all had to hang outside. Using automatic appliances is like being Queen for a Day!
Monday October 7, 2013, 7:13 am
I don't think I've met a true Republican in the flesh, but then I don't know how to recognise them. I believe I do now: they have at least two more apertures to spout lies or hot air from than other humans. So it probably is very difficult for you guys to tell a Teabagger from a strainer.
How can the US call itself a democracy if the future of the country lies in the hands of one incompetent liar? In my book that's called a dictatorship. Even the Italians here are gob smacked, at least they've gotten rid of Berlusconi at last.
Monday October 7, 2013, 7:51 am
The votes are not in the House to pass it because the rethugs in the house have no conscience. I hope they continue to implode with this constant threat and yes, they are terrorists to be sure. They may not be out to kill us directly but they are killing our standing in the world market by refusing the pay our bills. Thus far Obama is standing firm and if the Dems know what's good for them, they will too. This is a crucial moment in politics as even some sane Republicans (yes, there are a few that I know) on the outside are not happy with their elected officials. As Cruz is running Bonehead I think Bonehead needs to get some gonads for probably the first time. That or have another drink.
Monday October 7, 2013, 8:41 am
The constitution forbids default:
Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, which states that “the validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law . . . shall not be questioned,”
Conduct which is directed against a government and which tends toward insurrection but does not amount to treason. Treasonous conduct consists of levying war against the United States or of adhering to its enemies, giving them aid and comfort.
The raising commotions or disturbances in the state; it is a revolt against legitimate authority.
The distinction between sedition and treason consists in this, that though its ultimate object is a violation of the public peace, or at least such a course of measures as evidently engenders it, yet it does not aim at direct and open violence against the laws, or the subversion of the Constitution. The. obnoxious and obsolete act of July 14, 1798, was called the sedition law, because its professed object was to prevent disturbances.In the Scotch law, sedition is either verbal or real. Verbal is inferred from the uttering of words tending to create discord between the king and his people; real sedition is generally committed by convocating together any considerable number of people, without lawful authority, under the pretence of redressing some public grievance, to the disturbing of the public peace. "
Sedition is a correct label and Issa's House Ethics Committee should be investigating with an eye on possible impeachment charges if he were not operating in such a partisan manner.
Monday October 7, 2013, 9:09 am
His name just lends itself to this nomenclature.....problem is....he acts like one too.....no conscience, stiff with arrogance and has no brain in and of itself, but it does have a will of its own and in his case, to obstruct and obfuscate. You're welcome, Tasunka!
Monday October 7, 2013, 10:56 am
Terrie that reminds me of a lovely joke told by Maureen Lipman – "How do you tell when a politician is lying? When they look down at their feet they are telling the truth; when they straighten their cuffs, they are telling the truth, when they touch their face they are telling the truth – but when they open their mouths.... they are lying!"
Monday October 7, 2013, 10:57 am
Sedition ... treason ... he needs to be taken out of there and put in jail so that no one EVER does this to this country again. I've had enough of this crap and I know most of the country feels the same way. How any person can say they are Christian while calling for poor and disabled people to get cuts from aid is beyond me. I don't hate. But I am getting close to feeling that I could hate John Boehner. They have a whole lot of PTSD Vets on disability, and if Boehner doesn't get his do do together real soon, all hell is going to break loose when those Vets don't get their disability pay. I am just shocked that a country would put its' soldiers in harm's way and then cut out their legs from under them when they become disabled. The votes ARE in the House. Boehner is just trying to save his own butt by saying they aren't there. And all they have to do is make it a closed vote and nearly ALL the Republicans would vote YES to pass the spending bill and raise the debt ceiling.
Monday October 7, 2013, 11:15 am
OMG, this COWARD, is Speaker of the House - in line to take over the Presidency if anything were to happen to the Pres or VP...! Verrrrrrry Scarrrrrry! The REPUG House is like a House of Cards, about to tumble!
Monday October 7, 2013, 12:47 pm
I read your article earlier and found it disturbing that these scumbags would destroy our country for the sake of their lord and masters the Koch's and all the other billionaire's they are sycophants of. on another note we will find out if Obama has any balls and exercises his rights and raise's the debt limit himself which he has the constitutional authority to do!!!! well we will see
Monday October 7, 2013, 12:51 pm
"The bills Boehner threatens to refuse to pay are bills for the spending that he and his Republican cronies already did, not future spending by Obama, as they dishonestly claim. If Boehner is serious about critically harming the both the US and World economies with a US Credit Default, that is the pinnacle of sedition." Amen.
Monday October 7, 2013, 1:23 pm
Since everything bad that has happened to out economy since Reagan was Republican doing (along with some help from Clinton) all cuts should be from things promoted by them. All the red states should get back no more than 90% of the money they sent to the federal government. Let them help the blue states support the country. Of course it would bankrupt most of the red states, but do they deserve anything better?
Monday October 7, 2013, 1:37 pm
Noted. Thanks, Tom.
I've seen a few clips of some of the Sun. a.m. shows (since I don't watch them), and haven't seen Boner once refer to the ONLY reason he won't bring it up for a vote: He's still clinging to the Hastert Rule which states that no bills will be brought to the floor of the House unless they'll pass with only Republican votes. I'd like to see more of these so-called "anchors" mention that in every interview to see what his response would be. My favorite comment is: End the Hastert Rule, replace it with the Golden Rule.
I believe this goes hand-in-hand with the Norquist Pledge to "never vote for a tax increase." The GOP lives and dies by these two "rules." Too bad we Progressives don't have a couple of our own!
Monday October 7, 2013, 9:45 pm
"We’re not going to pass a clean debt limit increase," he said. "I told the president, there’s no way we’re going to pass one. The votes are not in the House to pass a clean debt limit. And the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us."
Seems to me that Boehner previously said that he would not let the country default. Was he lying? TC, you said previously that you "were from Missouri" and you'd believe it when you see it. I guess I am from Missouri too because I don't trust Boehner or any other Republicanus/Teabagger for that matter.
It isn't the POTUS that is risking default but rather Boehner and the Republicanus/Teabaggers who haven't a sane, knowledgeable bone in their bodies. Political ideologues are a pox on humanity!
In my opinion, part of the reason that Boehner seems more and more intransigent on the shutdown and the debt ceiling is the fear of being primaried. Yes he was vulnerable in 2012 but made it through. But over the past year, Boehner has not been a pillar of strength or leadership. It seems like the Teabaggers are stronger than in 2010, if only because mainstream Republicans are afraid of them. They are so far off the grid of craziness, it is truly amazing that anyone with any brains embraces their ideology, or idiotology as I call it.
@ Dianna M --- Very good! I like it, well as much as I like any horror flick!
Monday October 7, 2013, 10:05 pm
When he says one thing and then says another yes isn't that Lying??? He needs to get his SH straight! he is in a position he should know what he's saying the first time!!
Thank You Tomcat
Tuesday October 8, 2013, 7:27 pm
The problem is that a recent poll shows that the number of Americans blaming Republicans is diminishing and the number of Americans blaming Obama is increasing. Today Obama is still far ahead in this poll. But the results are indicative of how well the Republican Lie Machine is working. And this is something that we should worry about and needs to be addressed immediately. Democrats need to unleash a media campaign explaining that never in history has a political party dared hold our economy hostage to a political ideology. People need to learn that the budget increase is for items we ALREADY purchased and approved and there is nothing to negotiate. People need to be told that what the republicans are doing is the equivalent of you going to the most expensive restaurant in the world with 20 of your friends, ordering up huge meals and expensive drinks, and then when dessert comes around announcing you are not paying the bill. The ONLY way Republicans can be gaining in this poll is due to lack of information. This needs to be fixed immediately.
Tuesday October 8, 2013, 9:19 pm
Today's poll has the percent blaming the House GOP up to 70% for the shutdown:
Poll Shows Jump In Disapproval Of GOP's Handling Of Budget Negotiations
Poll Shows Jump In Disapproval Of GOP's Handling Of Budget Negotiations
10/8/2013 11:00 AM ET
Disapproval of the way Republicans in Congress are handling negotiations over the federal budget has seen as sharp jump since the beginning of the government shutdown, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.
The poll found that 70 percent of Americans disapprove of the way Republicans are handling the budget negotiations, up from 63 percent in a poll conducted late last month.
The latest survey was conducted as the government shutdown took effect last week, with lawmakers at an impasse regarding a temporary government spending bill."
Thursday October 10, 2013, 4:58 am
Thanks for this------- NOPE ! The Speaker can not be trusted. He has proved that point over & over. ----But ---it seems NOW The House is dealing with the Debit Ceiling short term extension(in the works). Too much pressure from BIG Business & the Chamber of Commerce......... to be continued as developments occur.