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The Best ObamaCare Solution


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TomCat
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TomCat S. (230)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 4:09 am
I hate to, but have to admit that there’s a lot about Obamacare I don’t like. However, it is a step in the right direction. It’s a shame that, because Republicans have forced so many cuts in the number of government employees, the design and implementation of the website had to be outsourced to corporate contractors. What we’re really seeing is a failure of the too poorly regulated free market to deliver goods and services as promised. However I agree with the best solution, the one Paul Krugman suggests.
 

Alice C. (1797)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 5:48 am
Noted ~ Thanks Tom
 

pam w. (191)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 5:57 am
I agree with Al Sharpton (CANNOT believe I wrote that).....this wasn't about designing a web site.....it's about a health care system. And the massive flapdoodle about it is just nasty politics (AS USUAL.)
 

Autumn Away S. (151)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 6:04 am
thanks, TC
 

Gloria picchetti (299)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 6:08 am
A couple things about the webdsite;
Why wasn't Microsoft hired to do it from the beginning?
Are some tea bag ITs hacking it to screw it up?
 

(0)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 6:46 am
I agree that Obamacare, although not a perfect solution, is definitely a step in the right direction. Personally, I was hoping for more overall savings on premiums, but not to be. The basic plan I have now will be slightly cheaper per month next year, but they added a deductible and so I will be paying much more out of pocket. However, I am not complaining. I see those I know with "pre-existing conditions" who haven't been able to get individual coverage before and are ecstatic to the point of tears because this is the first time they can, and at a significant savings. So the ACA is a huge improvement and life saving legislation for many. How can we argue with that?
 

Lona Goudswaard (82)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 6:59 am
Medicare for all would be the best option? No way, the simplest solution just can't be the best solution now, can it? Well not if you're a Republican, because then you don't get to waste a lot ox taxpayers money on designing, building and implementing a whole new system, but with at the same time careful underfunding it so it'll be a disaster anyway. Can't have all your buddies not make a lot of money in the process and have the insurance companies hand in some of their exorbitant gains, can we?
 

Robert B. (59)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:49 am
It took medicare about two years to get get running properly when it was first introduced. All of this criticism of the ACA is nothing but a red herring by the right. They know damn well the ACA is GOING TO WORK. And that's what pisses them off, instead of being happy for their fellow citizens and working to help in the transition. But they just don't have the strength of Character for that.
 

SuSanne P. (189)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 8:58 am
Thank you Tom Cat. Very excellent posts.
 

JL A. (275)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 11:16 am
CA's computer systems are the closest things to the scope of a federal system--and no contracted out system has ever worked by the target date for ready to use (Ross Perot's was three years late), about half of the biggest had to be stopped due to contractors' inability to do the job at all (Corrections, DMV, Social Services) or delivered at the promised price. I am amazed this one is doing as well as it is.
 

Pat A. (116)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 11:20 am
Thanks TC. Shouldn't they stop filibustering – I mean officially ban it, since they can't be trusted to behave like responsible adults?
 

Dave C. (232)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 11:55 am
...trying to load the post, but if we have to replace or improve ObamaCare I suggest Single Payor Health Care Insurance for all.....
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 12:36 pm
Tom, because the republicans have downsized bloated government so much it created a lack of government employees forcing them to outsource this causing the problems. I am not sure even you believe that. I don't mean to be rude but that is the best one I have heard to date on why this is not working out as promised. I really did laugh out loud. That's funny.

I know it is desirable to blame the republicans but honestly their hand prints are not all over this. Actually much of what they were arguing seems to be coming to light. Which is unfortunate.


I just keep hearing Nancy Pelosi over and over in my head saying we'll just have to wait and see what's in it to know how good it is. Maybe if some actually read it and the consequences attached to it for many.

One thing that all parties did agree to was that preexisting conditions should be covered. So maybe if they worked together on their agreed points outward we would have gotten something better.

I have stopped trying to use the website for a bit. There is no point as it is right now to do so. I don't have extra money available to pay for insurance. Let alone a few extra hundred dollars per month. I think this year will be cheaper to take the IRS hit. I think many are thinking along those lines as well.


It's a shame. Health care is a mess and after all this time and effort it appears it will remain a mess. Only now it a legislated mess that we are all forced to participate in.
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 12:41 pm
Just a point, I understand glitches and problems with starting up something new. The only thing is there are deadlines with consequences for those who have to sign up. If you can't access it to sign up, there should not be penalties involved. I do realize the deadline has been pushed off a bit. I hope it is enough time.

 

Yvonne White (232)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 12:54 pm
H.R. 676 is why I voted for Kucinich in the Primaries in 2008. He would've made the RepubliCONs explain why they HATE sick, disabled, & elderly Americans!
"Republicans have forced so many cuts in the number of government employees, the design and implementation of the website had to be outsourced to corporate contractors." Maybe, or maybe CONgre$$ is again stealing money under the table! I know they employ some of the Best Techs in the country at FRIT – THEY could've been "borrowed" for this & it would've been done Right the first time – they've had 3 years to get this done! Third party middle-men are part of the Problem Already – so why hire MORE to fix it?????
 

Jason R. (70)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 1:09 pm
This is still a 4th reich coup. How can we turn our army on the nazi right and reverse the coup? Everything else is....
 

Birgit W. (157)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 3:02 pm
Thanks.
 

Marija Mohoric (48)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 3:10 pm
thank you
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 3:36 pm
I think since this was not supported at all by republicans from the get go. That since the House, the Senate and the President were all of the democrat persuasion. That Harry Reid used the reconciliation trick (once a filibuster was out of the picture) to pass the Affordable Health Care Act in the Senate any way. They should have just put through single payer. They put through the Affordable Care Act without bipartisan support. Why not single payer? They never even had single payer on the table.

Why is that?
 

Carlene V. (203)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 4:32 pm
Give it time, it will work. This is by far one of the biggest undertakings by our government, trying to get everyone of us signed up for health care. Just thinking about it is staggering. I am sure the date will be moved and people won't be charged for not signing up. I've heard there are some tech masters from the Silicon Valley that have offered their experience to help get ACA working well. The one and only reason the rethugs are screaming and causing such a fuss is that they have never wanted it to work and they see the problems as something they may be able to slowly dismantle, once again showing their utter compassion for their constituents and the rest of us too.
 

Robert K. (31)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:02 pm
Since it took 2 years to get Medicare part D, a handout to the insurance companies to get working and it's a far simpler bill, why weren't the GOPigs bitching about it then? Oh yeah! (slaps head)
 

Robert K. (31)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:07 pm
Besides, if you bypass the web site reports are of fast and easy signup.
 

JL A. (275)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:15 pm
Why the DEMs dropped single payer was because they were promised GOP votes on ACA if that wasn't there.

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Lynn Squance (222)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 7:43 pm
"…No, the assault on Medicare is really about an ideology [idiotology] that is fundamentally hostile to the notion of the government helping people, and tries to make whatever help is given as limited and indirect as possible, restricting its scope and running it through private corporations. "

Republicanus/Teabaggers don't give a rat's ass about anybody except themselves and the 1%. Heaven forbid that the US should have a government "for, of and by the people." That would be too much like the Repubublicanus/Teabaggers actually cared about anything other than power and greed.


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Sheila D. (26)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 8:11 pm
Even though the website is a mess, we still have ways to get the information, apply for the ACA, and get signed up. Gosh, what would we do if we didn't have computers? Yes, it would take longer, and it still may, but it WILL get done, and we will be the better for it. My biggest problem with the rabid Right; they spent all that time trying to repeal "ObamaCare", when they could have been going over the problem areas and trying to fix them. Now it will just take that much longer. BTW, as good as Medicare is, it also has some problems that need to be cleaned up and fixed. Another opportunity lost. Thanks, TomCat.
 

Edith B. (145)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 8:13 pm
We will never have Medicare for all in my lifetime. The Republicans are trying to cut it now and give us vouchers to give to their "friends"
 

Katie and Bill D. (115)
Tuesday October 29, 2013, 8:22 pm
Spam has been flagged!

Universal Health Care should have been the thing, everyone covered everyone pays the same!
Would have been Easy to set up!
Thank You TomCat

 

Karen Chestney (112)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 12:00 am
The ACA (ObamaCare) is the best that could...& did...make it through Congress. It will get "all fixed" and people will get insured. The Repubs objections are all about the fact that people will like it. The problem is it cuts into profit for insurance comps. Repubs bottom line is always $$$. Yes. single payer would be best ...but for now...we've made a 1st step.
 

Pat A. (116)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 12:16 am
Flagged the spam...
 

TomCat S. (230)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 1:28 am
Thanks everyone.'

Suzanne, I don't see your problem. Republicans did downsize the federal government to the point that there are now as many federal employees as there were in 1966. As a result the design and implementation of the website was outsources to private corporations. The private contractors that won the bid failed to deliver a working product on time. What's hard to believe about the truth? The Public Option was dropped in return for the promise of Republican support. Sadly, that was a false promise. The reconciliation rule is the same "trick" Republicans used to pass the Bush Tax Cuts for the Rich, but to implement single payer, would have violated the reconciliation rule. There is no penalty for those who refuse to pay the penalty.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 7:43 am
THERE IT IS THEN, BECOMING CLEARER BY THE MINUTE ...

Goal of single payer, universal healthcare, socialized medicine ... the crown jewel of a government-controlled welfare state. See it yet? If not, coming soon to your personal space, ready?

At this point we still have a righo vote, let's use it wisely for we'll own it or lose it shortly.
 

Gary A L. (138)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 8:50 am
the republinazi foot print is all over the neck of the people many rethuglican governors refuse to open sites for health care and that threw a huge monkey wrench into the system so yes Suzanne as usual the only thing re pubs have to offer is more for the wealthy and screw the rest of America
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 10:30 am
Tom, A one bid contract given. Why no other bids? Isn't it standard practice to get at least 3 bids? Also, from what I am hearing they were keeping their government bosses in the loop of the failures of the system. Yet, the date was there and had to be met. Ready to go or not.

It seems like blaming others is always a sure option for problems. Honesty would have worked in just telling the public we need a bit more time to tweak the system.


People lives are affected by this and decisions need to be made. If not made in time, you suffer the consequence. This whole mess just adds stress to already stressed out people. Personally, I don't prefer the blame game, the I didn't know game. Give us honest answers. Work toward resolution. Just stop blaming for the sake of it isn't my fault. There is fault to share all over the place.


I also know the reconciliation has been used in the past and I don't like it. A crappy way to do business no matter who is doing it. Sets whatever is passed to be met with hostility for years to come. No benefit in that at all.

As far as there being no penalty for refusing to pay a penalty. Really? Why have it then? You don't think the IRS will withhold any tax return money you may get to pay the penalty. In the event they don't, surely that stays on file and keeps accumulating more penalties, late payment fees, interest. It's how they operate. It's what they do best. There is no reasoning with them. So I fail to see how that is not a problem.

Someone above mentioned the republicans being upset because profits will be taken from the insurance industry. Again, really? To me, this was a gift to the insurance industry. Forced participation. Millions of new customers who have few choices. Ca ching.....

So Tom, that's my problem. You know the old saying excuses are like _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _. If it couldn't be done because the republicans would not have it, fired to many government employees, are nazi's or whatever the description of the day is. Why do it? Just to pass some blame.



Gary A., I don't know you but you do seem to enjoy posting in response to mine. I don't appreciate the manner in which you address me, so please feel free to avoid doing so in the future. I will give you the same courtesy.


I live in a state that a republican governor did go with the feds on this and it is still a cluster f*k.


Just and FYI ... Unlike many of you. I don't hate the other side. In my opinion their victories are mine if beneficial to the country. President Obama and all the representatives are mine, just as much as yours. They need to be responsive to all the peoples needs. Not just yours. I want health care, I need health care. I think after all is said and done I will still walk away without it but the difference now is I will have the privilege of paying into it anyway.

I hope I am wrong.
 

Terrie Williams (777)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 10:39 am
Funny, the RethugliFascists hate the ACA because the Black guy in the White House likes it......Medicare for all SHOULD have been voted in but everyone, on both sides of the isle, wouldn't get their kickbacks from their 'big doners' aka the insurance corporanazi's. It always comes down to the money. Medicare for all would have been the best thing and maybe one day, beyond my lifetime, it will happen.

I am THANKFUL for the ACA because now I, who has a myriad of pre-existing conditions, will now be able to get insurance and get somethings taken care of that may well be too late to take care of. We will see but the point being I HAVE HAD NO INSURANCE OF ANY KIND for over a DECADE. So, some of you who wish to tear it down, go ahead, meanwhile the rest of us who have hoped and prayed for ANYTHING to help those of us who really need it and could not have it, WILL take it and be thankful as Hell to get it. Yeah, there are things in it I don't particularly like but in time they may get worked out. Until then, I just happy to get what I can for the first time in a LONG time.
And the likes of Rand Paul and Crackhead Cruz can kiss my entire rotund southern end and stick it where the sun don't shine. They're getting PREMIUM HEALTHCARE ON OUR DIME and I don't hear anyone on their side of the isle BITCHING about THAT.
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 10:54 am
I haven't had insurance for about 8 years now. My husband, my daughter. None of us My daughter was about 8 years old when we couldn't afford it any more. If it helped us, maybe I wouldn't be so willing to find fault where is lies. It has nothing to do with color. Just my reality.

There is a bill cosponsored by my Congressman Leonard Lance (R) "No Obamacare Subsidies for Members of Congress Act" (H.R. 3067) which is calling to end special treatment for Members of Congress.

Check it out, make phone calls. I did.

I don't think there is much desire for it on their part though. Both sides of the isle.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 11:38 am
At first people refuse to believe that a strange new thing can be done, then they begin to hope it can be done, then they see it can be done--then it is done and all the world wonders why it was not done centuries ago."
- Frances Hodgson Burnett, American author
All new things take time and patience ~ while I still hear people complain about ACA being "forced" on them, I hear a good many more giving huge sighs of relief that they now have insurance. And, of course, those who need it will sign up first and the rest will wait til the last minute - that is human nature and to be expected. It would be nice if all just stopped the belly-aching and got with the program...
 

Suzanne O. (32)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 11:48 am
Belly aching. Is that what it is? Now there is compassion for you.

I wish my family had the opportunity for a sigh of relief. We just get to hold our breath until some day... How reassuring.

Some people are still screwed. They have every right to be pissed off about it. They have every right to belly ache as you call it. I call it stating some unfortunate realities.
 

Gary A L. (138)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 3:56 pm
Suzanne I really don't care what you think or appreciate I will respond to anyone who presents positions that fail to consider the facts if you want to post misleading statements be prepared to hear a response
 

Yvonne White (232)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 4:00 pm
I did without insurance for MOST of the 40 years I've been married. I KNOW what it costs to not have insurance & have to have an emergency operation.
This crap is why healthcare wasn't passed in the 90's - freaking GREED is the Problem, from every side & at Every Level of healthcare.
Medicare for All (not Insurance written & not Big Pharma written bills either!) is the ONLY way to save Lives & MONEY!
 

Arielle S. (317)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 5:09 pm
Just to be clear..I am speaking of the republicans belly-aching. First they didn't want Obamacare to work and now they are complaining because it doesn't work. IF they had cooperated, instead of obstructed, it all might have gone a lot smoother. Now it will just take a bit longer, that's all.
 

DaleLovesOttawa O. (192)
Wednesday October 30, 2013, 10:45 pm
I am most grateful for universal health care in Canada where health care is seen as a right. Decades ago doctors lobbied against this but now we have a system that is fair as with most other western nations. Why is it only the U.S. that is denied a fair system when it comes to a fundamental like health care? Too much greed with interest groups?
 

Deborah W. (6)
Thursday October 31, 2013, 6:22 am
THERE IT IS THEN, BECOMING CLEARER BY THE MINUTE ...

Goal of single payer, universal healthcare, socialized medicine ... the crown jewel of a government-controlled welfare state. See it yet? If not, coming soon to your personal space, ready?

At this point we still have a righ to vote, let's use it wisely for we'll own it or lose it shortly
 

Gary A L. (138)
Thursday October 31, 2013, 7:15 am
Deborah W go peddle your lies and fear mongering somewhere else it doesn't work here
 

Franshisca Dearmas (89)
Thursday October 31, 2013, 9:11 am
Noted. TY TomCat
 

Deborah W. (6)
Thursday October 31, 2013, 11:24 am
THE CRIPPLING OF A NATION IN 5 EASY YEARS ... snake-oil salesmanship, with a little help from friends ... and enemies. Stay tuned ....
 

Yvonne White (232)
Thursday October 31, 2013, 1:02 pm
That's Hilarious - most people DREAM of real Socialized Medicine! But in America even the selfish & greedy get a say (they can Afford it!;)
 
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