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TomCat S (129)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:38 am
Republicans have been dominating the media and keeping, one and only one issue in the forefront of America’s consciousness. They are making ObamaCare look lie a good issue for them by using the confusion from the Obama Administration failure to get the web site online on time, their own Republican lies, and Big Insurance lies and scams to generate fear in the American people. What we need to realize is that ObamaCare is just one very temporary issue, and hammer at all the other issues in which Republicans are completely out of step with the American people.

Autumn S (151)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:49 am
Thanks for posting this, TC !

Past Member (0)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:34 am

pam w (139)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:47 am
Oh....don't forget ABORTION, Tom! We all know how they love to hammer at women and our rights to self-determination!

You're right, of course....they hammer at one or two items, all the while paddling like hell because they've no concept of how to improve life here.

Gloria picchetti (304)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:59 am
I can't understand why the Obamacare website wasn't set up by the very best in the IT industry? Also am I the only one who thinks it's possible there are hackers messing up the site? But yes the republicans are using the new healthcare law failures to their advantage. And as always they are doing absolutely nothing. I bet flashlights shine from ear to ear on those people.

And Tom Chicago is supposed to have such bad storms, wind, and possibly tornadoes that the Bears game might get cancelled to day. If there is a game they are making an emergency plan for the attendees. Now everyone knows that Mayor Richard J. Daley made tornadoes with the city limits illegal! He needed to gain control after the '68 Democratic National Convention. "The whole world is watching!"

Carlene V (202)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 7:01 am
Since when did the Republican politicians listen to their constituents? They apparently don't do they? But the quandary I have is WHY the Republican voters line up like sheeple and vote the asses back into office. The only people Bonehead and the rest of them are listening to is the Tea Party, who for the most part are a bunch of phony Christian, racist, homophobes who hate the government and all it stands for. If they don't like it here, get the hell out.

Mitchell D (95)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 7:36 am
Yes, Carlene, I used to wonder the same thing...and then it hit me, an "AHA!" moment: Blazing stupidity!
I love the picture, it's worth more than a thousand word;would like to get it and send it to a couple of people.
If the Healthcare sites do not get to really working, soon, the Dems will have given the Rethugs an emotionally laden next launching platform for the 2014 elections.
Those bastards were virtually defunct before the 2010 elections, but found new energy in the imbecilic Sarah Palin "Death Panels" hype. And, yes, the Stupids believed it, hook. line and sinker.
A distant cousin, with whom I no longer speak,, told me on just what page of Obamacare I could find related info. Stupid is as stupid does?
Of course, later on N.Y. State adopted exactly that ind of policy, wherein doctors could talk with patients and their families about end of life issues,, and bill for the time and effort.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 7:43 am

That is an easy answer Gloria, we use the lowest bidder. That sounds financially sound, but it is not. This web-site is one of so many things that have gone wrong because of this long history of taking the lowest bid, over the best possible contractor to get a job correctly the first time. When we shop for something, most of us have learned that the cheapest is not always the best. How is something a bargain that must be repaired and replace?

Polls vary depending on who is asked what questions:

Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research fielded the CAP poll -
Nearly three-fourths of voters (73 percent) support protecting gay and transgender people from workplace discrimination. This support cuts across political party affiliation, with
81 percent of Democrats,

74 percent of independents

66 percent of Republicans

supporting workplace nondiscrimination laws for LGBT people. Further, the poll shows that
Catholic (74 percent support)

senior citizen (61 percent support)
voters are also clearly in favor of workplace protections for LGBT people. Even among voters who identify themselves as feeling generally unfavorable toward gay people, a full 50 percent support workplace nondiscrimination protections for the gay and transgender population.

The survey also found that nine of out ten voters mistakenly believe that a federal law is already in place protecting LGBTQ people from discrimination in the work place.

On immigration this CBS poll shows the progress in thinking:

CBS News Poll. Oct. 18-21, 2013. N=1,007 adults nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

"Would you favor or oppose providing a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants in the U.S. if they met certain requirements including a waiting period, paying fines and back taxes, passing criminal background checks, and learning English?"

Republicans favor - 77% - Oppose 20% -- Not sure -- 3%

Democrats favor - 87% - Oppose 11% -- Not sure -- 3%

Independents favor 75% - Oppose 22% -- Not sure -- 3%

If anyone has a doubt that the current gaggle of republicans do not represent the mainstream of the United States those two polls are a strong indicator that they do not.

Though with the very supportive gerrymandering, I do think it's fair to say that many of the dunderheads will be re-elected. They will think that their constituents support them, when in fact they seem support a party over the person or candidate.

The most distasteful display of a totalitarian take over of a state government is currently visible in Wisconsin.

Just remember democrats, for each of you that do not vote, Cheney will kill a kitten - so plan for 2014, and get out there and VOTE!!!

Good news TomCat is feeling frisky and ready to be a voice again!!! Yayyy!

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 8:41 am
OMD, I'm either stuck in Groundhog Day or the Twilight Zone…SS,DD. Over and over and over again. SIGH.

Lona G (80)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 9:18 am
It may sound too harsh and too bleak, but democracy has left the country some time ago. From where I'm sitting it looks like America's federal government and most states are run by a handful power-hungry, either very rich or in the pockets of very rich, people who hide behind extreme, old-testament Christian views, but do not live by a (Christian) morality themselves. This has been going on for a long time, but since the election of an African-American president, their political opponents still asleep and dreaming all is well with democracy alive, and after having put everything in place for their rule, they've dropped their mask and all is now in the open. Backed by Wall street, the media and institutionalised religion, tyranny rules, not democracy.
The tyrants hold all the key positions, have the backing of money and media and will be voted back into office in 2014 and 2016 and the status quo will not change. Until something gives, as it inevitably will, but not soon.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 9:36 am
I feel as you do, Terrie, except that I'm raging inside and want to smash newscasters with their version of facts - want to choke all the obstructionists, starting with Agent Orange until they turn purple - and we might as well give lobotomies to all those who just accept whatever Faux News tells them.

Also want to send that cartoon, Tom, to about a half billion people....

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 10:01 am
LOL Arielle....I can't type what I wanna dew to them....but you ideas are a good start.

Terrie Williams (798)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 10:02 am
Um, that's 'your' not 'you' sheeeeeesh....can't even type anymore.

P A (117)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 10:05 am
So sorry TC – can't watch anything today or comment due to half an hour's sleep last night due to rodent in attic and noisy neighbour (my turn!)…. am gibbering with fatigue…so sorry!

JL A (281)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 11:10 am
The media reporting the issues (or not reporting) are owned by Murdoch and others aligned with the GOP (and the Koch Brothers have been trying to buy major papers remember)--set the editorial policy and silence coverage of the issues people really care about and need to know about and suddenly you have controlled what elections become based on--scary stuff.

Chris C (152)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 11:35 am
Yep - the repugs are pounding on only one issue - and this will be their "waterloo".

Gene J (290)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 11:36 am
I think several of you got this exactly right, TomCat and Kit particularly. This IS just one issue, that the IT part was a debacle isn't something that the one trick ponies of the reich can run on and win. The people were fooled by their one point agenda in 2010, jobs, jobs, jobs, but have since realized that they didn't care about jobs or the economy by the "governing by brinksmanship" tactics they have used to light a fire under women, minorities, the LGBT community, the poor and the middle class. Poll after poll show that the last two congresses are the two least respected in history. That won't change because, despite the losses this fall, these bigoted, blind fools still think they have a message that resonates with the American people. But it doesn't. Polls prove the tea party is on the wrong side of every issue that the American people care about. And they keep talking as if they represent many, when the truth is they represent few and the 1% alone can't win them anything except large campaign war chests. Which won't be enough to save them or keep them in power. 2014 and 2016 (assuming we run a truly electable candidate for President) are going to see a sea change in the composition of both Houses. And these guys won't even see it coming, they are so sure their mandate to make everyone think like them is what the people want. Those in the republican party who know this are drowned out by the fringe noise. And the threat of a tea party candidate running against them in their primaries. Which is a good thing for all of us, let them destroy each other in internecine warfare, let progressives stay on point and in step with the American people's wishes the polls demonstrate are what the democratic campaigns should focus on and we'll see a blitzkrieg happen in the coming two national elections. One that will catch the ideologues completely by surprise so blinded are they to the truth. I'm looking forward to it all.

Malgorzata Z (198)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 11:38 am

David C (131)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 12:06 pm
Unless you’re a billionaire, a corporate criminal, or a hatemonger, even if you’re a Republican, the Republican Party dies NOT represent YOU! --- says it all for me....

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 12:15 pm
Looks like the Republican now represents over 70% of Americans feel about Obama's many lies and circumventing our Constitution.

Obama was never qualified to run a small company much less the United States of America. He had three and a half YEARS to get the ACA together and ready to roll out. It's pure incompetence on his part. Had this been George W. Bush the liberals would be ripping him apart.

There are many polls out there but the best poll is reflected by only 27,000 having signed up for the ACA....Millions, however, signed up for Medicaid because it was free and they could qualify for the taxpayers have millions more to "fund."

Obama is not only stupid but he is a certified liar. I have no idea how he earned a law degree from Harvard unless he was affirmative action all the way from Occidental.....because you can't be smart and take three and a half years to roll out a total disaster for the American people who have now lost their private healthcare because of the language in the ACA. Obama believes he can snap his fingers and the insurance companies will fall back in line. It doesn't work that way. Even Obama knows he is in quicksand.

The Republican Party has been WARNING you about the ACA for three and half years! I would say they do represent the people unless you folks enjoy being hoodwinked and jerked around by a socialist.

Birgit W (160)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 12:40 pm

Arielle S (313)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 12:54 pm
I wonder who certifies liars??? In any case, it seems if you call someone a certified liar, you'd best be able to prove it or be open to a lawsuit.....

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:23 pm
Certified: Obama stood before the American people, looked straight into the audience and the camera and said, "If you want to keep your insurance you can. If you want to keep your doctor you can." Millions can't keep their private health insurance because they've been cancelled. Doctors have been cut and are now being cut. So two big lies right there. That certifies him a liar the same as when President Clinton lied under oath and was impeached for it.

I'm not worried about a lawsuit but Obama should be very worried about it. At the very least he should resign and take Biden with him. We are here to share our opinions. If you don't like my opinion which is the same opinion as those Americans who now know that Obama, in fact, lied over 30 times about the ACA pushing his popularity rating down in the 30's then believe what you want.

Obama is on the last rung of the ladder and he has three years to go.

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:32 pm
Yes, indeed, it IS more than one issue and knowing how the liberals have a great deal of faith in opinion articles I thought this one might be entertaining:

Chavez-Linked Group Crafted 'Keep Your Health Plan'

By AARON KLEIN (Part 1 of 2 Part Series)

"A little-known group called the Herndon Alliance has been the driving force in branding Obamacare to the public.

It was this group that advised President Obama to say Americans can maintain their choice of doctors and insurers under his health-care plan, WND has learned.

The Herndon Alliance is openly partnered with a number of radical groups, including MoveOn, the National Council of La Raza and a slew of George Soros-funded activist organizations.

It is also partnered with a “direct action” group dedicated to the teachings of radical Saul Alinsky.

The original research that informed Herndon’s blueprint for marketing Obamacare, WND has found, was concocted by the imaging guru for the late Venezuelan dictator Hugo Chavez.

Herndon’s campaign was also based on survey data from progressive pollster CelindaLake, whose information was central in President Obama’s 2012 campaign decision to turn contraception for women into a key election issue.

Lake and Herndon have been providing strategy to Enroll America, the main organization pushing for the uninsured to sign up for Obamacare. Enroll America’s executive director, Ron Pollack, was a founding member of Herndon.

Behind Obamacare since beginning

The Herndon Alliance has been behind the marketing campaign for Obamacare since the inception of the legislation.

Herndon is “the most influential group in the health arena that the public has never heard of,” reported Politico in 2009.

Politico reported that when Obama repeatedly announced Americans can maintain their “choice” of doctors and insurance plans, “he is using a Herndon strategy for wringing fear out of a system overhaul.”

The Herndon Alliance evolved following an early 2005 three-day meeting attended by about 50 people in Herndon, Va. The gathering was coordinated by Seattle family physician Bob Crittenden, now the Herndon Alliance executive director, and Philippe Villers, who serves on the current board of directors as secretary-treasurer.

Villers and his wife co-founded Families USA, or FUSA, in 1981. FUSA was run by Pollack, who is now running Enroll America.

Controversial pollster, contraceptives

The research component of the Herndon Alliance is provided by CelindaLake, who teamed up with a marketing research firm, American Environics. AE uses social-values surveys to gauge public opinion.

Lake was commissioned recently by Enroll America to determine how best to market the Obamacare enrolment campaign to the public.

Lake’s survey found that even with tax credits and federal subsidies, those without insurance still considered the cost of Obamacare too heavy.

She recommended Enroll America not cite any specific dollar amounts when trying to convince the uninsured to sign up.

Lake’s firm, together with Herndon, was one of the driving forces behind the progressive strategy to use contraception as an election issue in 2012.

According to Lake’s website, her company conducted polling on the contraception issue in conjunction with an organization called the CommunicationsConsortiumMediaCenter, or CCMC, and the Herndon Alliance.

Lake’s research on voters attitudes on contraception found Roman Catholic voters tend to mirror voters overall when it comes to reproductive health-care services that the Affordable Care Act will cover.

Lake’s website said: “Not only are Catholics favorable to including birth control or contraception in insurance coverage, these inclusions also make them more favorable toward the Affordable Care Act.”

Chavez guru

Herndon’s decision-making for how to market Obamacare was based significantly on the theoretical work of American Environics, which was founded in 2004 by a team of American strategists and Canadian researchers.

AE describes itself as a consulting firm that uses social-values surveys, cognitive linguistics and political psychology to help foundations and nonprofits develop breakthrough social change initiatives.

AE writes that since 2005, its research findings and strategic initiatives on health care, the economy and the environment have been used by multiple members of Congress.

In April 2005, current AE managing partners Ted Nordhaus and Michael Shellenberger started AE’s American branch.

Shellenberger previously worked for the anti-corporate, anti-globalization Global Exchange in San Francisco before starting a spin-off public relations firm in 1996, Communication Works.

By 2001, Shellenberger’s firm had grown and he merged it with Fenton Communications."


Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:33 pm

Fenton is the main marketing strategist for groups funded by the Soros-financed Tides Center. Fenton also crafted the public relations strategy of, as well as a who’s who of far-left causes, organizations and activists, from Soros himself to Health Care for America Now to a number of anti-war groups.

In 2004, Shellenberger registered with the Department of Justice as a foreign agent.

His prime client was Venezuelan dictator Chavez. Shellenberger’s private consulting firm, Lumina Strategies LLC, got a six-month, $60,000 subcontract to help build up Chavez’s image, including by providing polling data.

Shellenberger is also a founder of the Apollo Alliance.

WND has reported Apollo is led by a host of radicals, including Van Jones, Obama’s former “green” jobs czar, who resigned after it was exposed he founded a communist revolutionary group.

Jeff Jones, who heads Apollo’s New York branch, is a former top leader of the Weathermen terrorist organization, while Apollo associate Joel Rogers is a founder of the socialist-oriented New Party.

In May 2006, the AE team of Nordhaus and Shellenberger presented the Road Map for a Health Justice Majority to the Herndon Alliance.

Developed from a values perspective, the Road Map provides a “long-term guide for how to build that Base into a true majority based on activating shared values.”

The Road Map served as a basis for the Herndon Alliance’s plans to influence Americans into accepting the Obama government health care reform plans.

The Obamacare activist group Health Care for America Now’s Richard Kirsch told Carrie Budoff Brown about AE’s findings: “The research from 2006 to 2007 was fundamental to helping shape our view of how to talk about health care and, generally, how progressives and Democrats talk about health care.”

Alinsky Academy, spreading wealth

The Herndon Alliance website lists the group’s "partners,” including the Soros-funded Center for American Progress. Van Jones works at the heavily influential group.

Other Herndon partners are the AFL-CIO, MoveOn, National Council of La Raza and the socialist-oriented SEIU union.

Yet another Herndon partner is Citizens Action of Wisconsin, an arm of the Midwest Academy.

Midwest is dedicated to teaching the tactics of radical organizer Saul Alinsky.

Obama himself once funded Midwest Academy. He has been closely tied to Midwest’s founder, Heather Booth.

Booth has stated building a "progressive majority” would help for “a fair distribution of wealth and power and opportunity.”

She founded Midwest in the 1970s with her husband, Paul, a founder and the former national secretary of Students for a Democratic Society, the radical 1960s anti-war movement from which William Ayers’ domestic Weather Underground terrorist organization splintered.

The Woods Fund, a nonprofit on which Obama served as paid director from 1999 to December 2002, provided capital to the Midwest Academy. WND was first to report Obama sat on the Woods Fund board alongside Ayers.

In 1999, Booth’s Midwest Academy received $75,000 from the Woods Fund. In 2002, with Obama still serving on the Woods Fund, Midwest received another $23,500 for its Young Organizers Development Program.

Midwest describes itself as “one of the nation’s oldest and best-known schools for community organizations, citizen organizations and individuals committed to progressive social change.”

It later morphed into a national organizing institute for an emerging network of organizations known as Citizen Action.

Discover the Networks describes Midwest as “teach[ing] tactics of direct action, confrontation and intimidation.”

WND first reported the executive director of Midwest was part of the team that developed volunteers for President Obama’s 2008 campaign.



Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:34 pm
By AARON KLEIN (Part 2 of 2 Parts)

Editor’s note: This is the second WND report investigating the Herndon Alliance, the group behind the marketing of Obamacare. The first article, which exposed Herndon’s ties to many radical groups, can be read here.

A group that has been the driving force in branding Obamacare has recommended a series of phrases, some deceptive, that the White House and Democrats have used to sell the health-care law to the public, WND has found.

The little-known Herndon Alliance has been behind the marketing of Obamacare since the inception of the legislation.

It was the group that crafted President Obama’s false claim that Americans can maintain their “choice” of doctors and insurance plans.

Along with advising the Obama administration, Herndon has been providing strategy to Enroll America, the main organization pushing for the uninsured to sign up for Obamacare. Enroll America’s executive director, Ron Pollack, was a founding member of Herndon.

The Herndon Alliance is “the most influential group in the health arena that the public has never heard of,” reported Politico in 2009.

Politico reported that when Obama repeatedly announced Americans can maintain their “choice” of doctors and insurance plans, he was “using a Herndon strategy for wringing fear out of a system overhaul.”

The Herndon Alliance, based in Seattle, describes itself as “a nationwide non-partisan coalition of more than 200 minority, faith, labor, advocacy, business, and healthcare provider organizations.”

As WND reported in February 2012, the group received a grant from the lobbying arm of the progressive Media Matters for America to help the White House to craft and market Obamacare.

Using polling data about what Americans like and don’t like about Obamacare, Herndon concocted a list of words and statements to use in selling the legislation to the country.

Herndon recommended avoiding the following terminology: “Universal health care,” “Canadian Style Health care,” “Medicare for All,” “Competition,” “Government health care for all,” “Regulations,” “Required,” “Public or Government health care,” and “Basic health care.”

Key phrases to use in the messaging of Obamacare include “Quality affordable health care,” “American solutions,” “A choice of private and public plans,” “Choice and control,” “Giving security and peace of mind,” “Sliding scale, pay what you can afford,” “Government as a watchdog, ensure a fair playing field,” “Affordable health plans” and “Smart investments.”

Many of these phrases were incorporated in the marketing material released by the White House and groups like Enroll America.

Herndon specifically labels women, particularly those over the age of 65, “a key persuadable audience.”

“We need to show them how the new law will benefit them. Remember that when messaging to women, start with our core message to build trust,” continues Herndon.

The core message: “Reform requires that Members of Congress get their healthcare coverage from the same plans as millions of Americans.”

However, the Affordable Care Act actually locks lawmakers and their staffers out of the federal government’s group health plan and instead puts them into state insurance exchanges.

Herndon recognized the public was finding it difficult to accept Obamacare will bring health-care costs down.

So to avoid a conversation on costs, Herndon suggested what it called a “long-term effort to ‘move’ the public along by focusing the conversation on specific benefits of the law that will most affect them.”

On Medicare, Herndon concocted two key selling points: “The law protects Medicare and provides preventive care with no co-pay.”

In actuality, it has been widely reported the government is scaling back Medicare funding to help defray the costs of Obamacare, with the likely loss of some benefits while raising premiums.

In one immediate ramification, the country’s largest provider of Medicare Advantage plans, UnitedHealth Group, said it will need to reduce the number of doctors in its network nationally by 10 to 15 percent in the next year alone.


Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:34 pm
And finally:

For those who say they don’t trust the government, Herndon posits the best response “is one that says the law requires us all (consumers, doctors and nurses, hospitals, insurance companies) to take responsibility and play by fair rules.”

“Our government is a government for all the people, not just for the privileged,” Herndon recommends saying.

However, that talking point may surprise critics of what has been described as waivers of some provisions of the health-care law for a number of businesses and unions.

The Department of Health and Human Services allowed lower annual caps on the total amount of medical bills some firms and unions pay for each subscriber. Reportedly the temporary waivers were offered to 722 businesses, 417 groups of small employers bound by collective bargaining agreements and 34 unions.

Diane O (194)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:36 pm
Waivers and 34 unions......sad time in America.

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 1:49 pm
Love that picture. It really says it all. Sad.

"The poll also showed that 40 percent of Republicans want state legislatures to continue to push for laws that limit abortion, nearly double the 22 percent of Americans who feel that way…" Even among Republicans, still a minority.

See what happens when you feed a troll even a crumb? Just say no to yourself. Mit einem Kobold kämpfen Götter selbst vergebens.

Gary L (138)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 2:43 pm
Diane O you distort and make facts sorry the truth is that the republinazi party is the party of liars and obstructionist and they have a cabal of filthy rich people hiring dupes to spout their lies and garbage I have a suggestion for you and all working idiots that support republinaiz's turn off the fox propaganda machine and stop quoting right wing nut jobs to support you lies and as to you saying President Obama isn't fit to govern who the Hell are you to judge ?

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 2:54 pm
The Bu$h League Era proved that the Media is CONservative – so RepubliCON's under the spell of FAUX News will believe anything. Bu$h Leaguers got where they are by screaming the loudest & longest, facts & popular sentiment mean Nothing. Most Politicians have no idea what the Majority wants & needs & couldn't care less if they accidently do find out!

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:11 pm

Internet Troll:

In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, either accidentally or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response ...

Yep - that fits.

JL A (281)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:28 pm
In Washington in the first month after health care reform launched on Oct. 1, about 57,730 insurance sign-ups were completed.

As of a month ago:
UPDATE: 360,000 People Signed Up for ACA/Obamacare!! (Help Still Needed)

Research rule of thumb--if numbers quoted are absurd, anything with the numbers is not expected to have any credibility or be worth paying attention to.

JL A (281)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:31 pm\\

nope--no percent anywhere close to 70% no matter what subgroup you look at

Yvonne White (229)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 4:49 pm
Trolls can't digest Facts, they only eat what they spew..;)

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 5:56 pm

Rude and highly disrespectful to TomCat and those who left comments. It may come as surprise to this rude person, but no one is reading those comments.

Arielle S (313)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 6:34 pm
Isn't it really great that Obama still has three years to go? I can hardly wait to see what he can do...

Laura H (964)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 7:25 pm
I sent all above green stars; all, of course but the Koch troll.

Kit B (276)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 7:31 pm

A friend on Face book uses this, "I love waking up and knowing that Obama is president." She find that are fewer rude and obnoxious people on Face book than one often finds here. She may be correct. (She was a member her for a couple of years.)

fly bird (26)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 8:49 pm
There definitely has been some virulence and agents provocateurs.
Most people want to try and help causes for justice and freedom and don't post for malicious, racist purposes, or personally attack those with views different from their own. They don't insult, smear or mob others.
Derisive and rude personal comments - from arrogance, prejudice, or anything else, seem to be used to incite, offend and sway "opinions"... and is highly objectionable.
to most

Katie & Bill D (107)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 8:59 pm
Yes I agree Kit!
As many other's I did not read a word of the Rude and disrespectul person's comments all 7 of them! TomCat we wouldn't; have this article at all.
After all Obama had won the Election, they still can't get over it! They must not have Watched the Rachel Maddox video. all the polls say they want things changed. This is a high number for the polls. Even the Repubs want it to be changed. for Equal work and minimum wage but there are always the stone faced ones! Same one's! Rachel said there was a Penalty to pay!
Thank You TomCat

Sheila D (28)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 9:05 pm
Extremely frustrating. Thanks for the post, TomCat. .

Bridget Robertson (106)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 9:42 pm
First I do believe the Republicans are very out of touch and being dragged by the Tea-party. As for the " death Panels". Let me assure you the have been in place since at least 1991. My first husband was diagnosed with advanced pancreatic- liver cancer. They thoroughly checked my insurance to see if it would cover any treatment the doctor ordered. We waited days. My insurance was exceptional. The nurse looked at me and my mother ( retired nurse) and said if I had not had my coverage they would have moved him to hospice immediately. You only get the care your insurance covers.

I don't think the Dems are doing a really good job either. Social Security should have never been forced to be the largest purchasers of bonds against the deficit. China is third.

While we are on the subject of equal rights I want equal rights for the LGBT community period. I also want the ERA!!!! As it stands it is the only way to stop the war on women.

Edith B (146)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 10:21 pm
I am sure the Republicans are dancing in the streets over the debacle of enrolling for ACA. Someone dropped the ball and this should not have happened. Nevertheless, the ACA I something we have needed in this country for a very long time.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday November 17, 2013, 11:06 pm

TomCat S (129)
Monday November 18, 2013, 1:55 am
Thanks to all but one. Kudos to several, especially Kit and Gene.

Bridget, Investing in Treasury bonds to store wealth until it is used to hedge against inflation.

Diane O (194)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:41 am
I've been on Care 2 since 2009....hardly an internet troll. The problem is that most of you do not like to be challenged after you make your comments. So, if you have difficulty being challenged on your comments open up your own political group so that you can monitor who can comment and who doesn't. You are on a public forum in case you haven't noticed. You also live in a divided country where at least 50% of Americans do not think like you.


Thomas M (8)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:00 am
Whew, Diane O. your spew blew me totally into boredom. While I agree with your right to write, I don't agree with anything you said. Could you imagine our nation with these leaders: Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Sara Palin, Michelle Bachman, Lindsey Graham, John Thune, ,,,,,,,,on and on and on? Find a republican moderate who has an IQ above a pet rock who likes people and the environment over money and poison in the air and ground and I might give them a listen. Make sure they don't have an evangelist bent and aren't shoving their dominionist beliefs on Americans - I might give them consideration. You'll be looking into the next century and beyond. Peace, Love and Flowers to ya, hey!

JL A (281)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:07 am
Excellent points Nyack. The biggest problem with ACA is it permits some of the 10-11% more insurance companies require to do health insurance compared to a fully government run program (Medicare, Medicaid) and it addressed the problem with run away increases of health care costs far exceeding inflation that would create economic havoc if left unaddressed.
Political scientists identify the problem with ideologues as they insist on their position even when at odds with the facts; they may make interesting critics, but we've seen that that factor and inflexibility renders them incapable of governing.

Phil P (94)
Monday November 18, 2013, 8:22 am
Oh god, it's back and I'm going to throw up. Is it just me or was anyone else truly grateful for the apparent long absence of the infamous troll and well known TeaPuke apologist, and general all around nincompoop Diane O.

God knows I don't wish anyone ill, but her bullshit is truly tiring so maybe the powers that be can send her off on more useful pursuits like missionary work in a leper colony somewhere. I really don't want to have to call in favors from Guido or his friends.

Dotti L (85)
Monday November 18, 2013, 9:51 am
Very well said, Phil.

Chris C (152)
Monday November 18, 2013, 10:42 am
She's baccccccccckkkkkkk! Comic relief supplied today by our own Diane O!

Kit B (276)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:22 am

Female Internet trolls, are slightly different then their male counterparts. Female trolls seem to better able to delude themselves into believing that their behavior is not only accepted online but that the traits that they find so well received (they are not) will transfer well to real life. usually ends badly. They tell themselves and all who would pause to read the tripe posted that they are but offering the path to truth. Ignoring the many other posters that see truth and facts from a completely different light spectrum, one of factual verification.

Yvonne White (229)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:50 am
I've learned to associate certain names with total bull, FAUX News usually "informs" them. It saves me SO much time to just scroll down, no matter how much real estate space they take up. I will not argue with fanatics. Trolls are everywhere, but feeding them invites them to think they Matter!

James Maynard (84)
Monday November 18, 2013, 1:18 pm
Loved your graphic TC!

Diane O (194)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:45 pm
You are all very quick with your childish behavior in personally attacking someone who has a different opinion but always so S L O W at disputing what I've said.

All of you know that Obama's popularity rating is in the toilet. His ACA was always going to put millions of Americans in a position of having their private health insurance dropped and now millions of doctors are being dropped by United Healthcare and Medicare Advantage as well. The Republicans have been warning you for 3 1/2 years and now it's here....just like they said it would be. Obama has been lying to the American people for 3 1/2 years. You don't have a problem with that. So, it's easier to attack me than speak to what I've posted. I understand that. I've been around children all my life.

The problem is that you are uncomfortable when someone challenges your politics. Go back and read your's always the same group of women and a few men who live to swoop in and attack. It's like a tag team and not a single one of you can dispute anything I've written.

Thanks, John.

Diane O (194)
Monday November 18, 2013, 3:12 pm
Dispute this:

"ABC’s Diane Sawyer –

A rough new poll number for the President. For the first time in his Presidency a majority of the American voters, 52%, in a new poll say President Obama is not “honest and trustworthy.” One factor, the people who felt misled about getting to keep their insurance under Obamacare.

From CBS’ Scott Pelley -

The troubled rollout of President Obama's health insurance law is taking a toll on his job approval ratings. In the respected Quinnipiac University poll out today, only 39 percent of Americans say they approve of the job he's doing – the lowest ever in that poll; 54 percent disapprove. Perhaps reflecting his broken 'you can keep your insurance' promise, only 44 percent said the President is honest and trustworthy.

Bottom line: Your Messiah can't be trusted to tell the truth. Your responses will be: "Well, someone made him lie....he just didn't one told him....."

The tide has turned. Americans see the real Obama and they will vote in 2014 and 2016.


Karen Chestney (112)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:37 pm
Thanks TC, I'm up with Terrie & Arielle !!! Except the lobotomy part...anyone who listens to Faux Noise is already in lobotomy mode....According to Rachel....teabaggers are on their way seems real repubs. are fed up with crazy. !!!

TomCat S (129)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:42 pm
Thanks to all but one. Duration of trolling does not negate trolling behavior as defined bu Wikipedia and commented earlier by Kitty.

Do not feed the trolls!

Diane O (194)
Tuesday November 19, 2013, 2:22 am
Good advice. I'll try had not to feed the trolls. Like you, I am offering my personal opinions. I guess that makes all of us trolls in your vernacular.

Jason R (67)
Tuesday November 19, 2013, 10:08 am
Diane. You have to stop assuming we are going to do the work that we know will lead to proving your BS. We're tired of it.

Thanks, JL A but you don't have to work for Diane or any other brain washed soul anymore. We need to just give up on them. Secession is the only hope for peace.\\

nope--no percent anywhere close to 70% no matter what subgroup you look at...

Did you hear? Diane"s state went BLUE!!!! lol

Jason R (67)
Tuesday November 19, 2013, 11:05 am
1 (usu. the vernacular) the language or dialect spoken by the ordinary people in a particular country or region: he wrote in the vernacular to reach a larger audience.
• [ with modifier ] the terminology used by people belonging to a specified group or engaging in a specialized activity: gardening vernacular.

Diane O (194)
Tuesday November 19, 2013, 2:58 pm
Yes, Virginia went Blue by 1%....hardly a landslide. I live in northern Virginia which is saturated with liberals so by losing by 1% proves that the tide has turned so we are all looking forward to 2014 and 2016 after Obama has been exposed for his three and a half years of lying about the ACA. I'd rather have a republican congress facing Obama than have a republican Governor.

McAuliffe is known as Hillary's "stalking horse." He's irrelevant except that her backs to three publicly recognized as certified liars....Bill, impeached for lying under oath, Hillary for lying about Benghazi and Whitewater and Obama for lying to the American people....the very people who voted for him not once but twice. What else have you got?

Diane O (194)
Tuesday November 19, 2013, 3:00 pm
typo: except that "he" backs three publicly people as certified liars...." And before you call George W. Bush a liar about the WMD's in Iraq....he was right....they are being used in Syria. Case closed.

Gary L (138)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 8:14 am
Diane O you really take the cake when it comes to spewing your garbage so how do you make the leap from Iraq to Syria no proof just say what the people who pay you to say all you do is copy and paste you use right wing nut jobs like AARON KLEIN to support your baseless positions you site no polls no documents just praddle on BTW you stated you've been on care2 since 2009 why does your profile say 2011 do everyone a favor troll and crawl back into the hole you came from

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 2:01 pm
Case apparently not closed!! Thank you,Gary.

Diane O (194)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 4:10 pm
Gary, what is obvious when comparing conservatives to liberals is that we never feel the need to personally attack someone who has a difference in opinion. You have every right to target my source as a right wing opinion but know this....our country has been slathered with the far left wing media and it has not served that well. How do we know this? The polls. So, what I want to say to you is have a right to post your personal opinion but you do not have the right to attack me for my personal opinions. I don't attack people for exercising their freedom of speech and this clearly separates us. The liberals on Care 2 enjoy calling me a troll but I've been a long time Care 2 member the same as you which negates me as troll. You know that. However, when you find yourself backed into a corner because you can no longer support Obama because he has lied multiple times to the American people it is natural for you to personally attack a Care 2 member who has been trying to show you the path that the ACA was going to hurt your own people in the end you feel the need to attack. I will not attack you personally because I respect your freedom of speech. You have a handful of "ladies" who swoop in in their effort to attack when they aren't even sure why they are doing it. It must feel good to them but they never make a valid point.

GWB knew there were WMD's in Iraq. They were mobilized moved to Syria. We didn't know that at the time but today we know those WMD's are being used by Syria. We can't change the truth. So, I'll let it stand.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 4:36 pm
oh my...this is why we can agree and my "old friend" where WE so agree and defend our environment and wildlife, kudos and may you and your family be very well and your rescue operations .."flourish", all the sincerity of my heart and soul!!!...politics, NAH!!! we decided long ago not to discuss.....and you hate politics,, "WHY!?!" are you messing with this?..why, add to the trolls....Get on the repub political sites.....the repubs hate our environment and wildlife3 and us...they only care about their own pocket and their trolls, only the sound of their own voice..and the more that echoes in the wind of the dark abyss, the angrier they become...they HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH REAL ISSUES AND ALL OF US!
though you and I will never agree (nessicarily, ) on politics!...I will always back you and your family for what you do for rescuing owls and other wildlife!!!...(this person knows whom they are!,,,the rest...what are you doing!?!)

Shelly Peterson (213)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 4:43 pm
By," the res"t, I ment,:.."John, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING!!??!!

Shelly Peterson (213)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 4:50 pm do photograghers get paid EXTRA for fixing "troll selfie pictures"??...just wondering?

Gary L (138)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 8:33 pm
oh baloney Diane opinions are like butts everyone has one and that has nothing to do with the crap you post here try putting up some facts not your deluded gibberish facts facts facts bush was a coward and a criminal just like all republinazi's who veterans like me they thank for your service and than cut services like food stamp now isn't that a disgrace that some of the men and women who have served our country in war come home and need food stamps not to mention the need for VA medical centers something else the cowards in the republinazi party love to cut bush was a drunk FACT he was probably abusing drugs and that's why he refused his flight physical and that's a fact so the next time you talk to me about rights just remember I went half way round the world to protect your rights

Gary L (138)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 8:47 pm
from the daily kos online paper
This should be the day's leading Obamacare news: enrollments across the country are surging, coming in ahead of projections in states across the country.

"What we are seeing is incredible momentum," said Peter Lee, director of Covered California, the nation's largest state insurance marketplace, which accounted for a third of all enrollments nationally in October. California—which enrolled about 31,000 people in health plans last month—nearly doubled that in the first two weeks of this month.

Several other states, including Connecticut and Kentucky, are outpacing their enrollment estimates, even as states that depend on the federal website lag far behind. In Minnesota, enrollment in the second half of October ran at triple the rate of the first half, officials said. Washington state is also on track to easily exceed its October enrollment figure, officials said.

Enrollments are moving at a faster clip than during October in these, despite the fact that some people are confused by the problems the federal site has had, not sure if the sites in their own states are working. Covered California's director said that the state has had to change its marketing to remind people that the state site wasn't the same as the federal site, and was working just fine.

Unfortunately, so far enrollments on the federal site are still lagging. For example, just 2,991 people in Texas were able to complete enrollment in October, fewer than Kentucky, which has a sixth of Texas' population. But there's better news on the federal site front today, as well. is now working for 90 percent of users who have tried again to sign up. The Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services updated reporters Monday with the news that the site was functioning better, and that it had sent out 275,000 emails to people who had started to create accounts, but couldn't get through the process. CMS says that 90 percent of those people who tried again got all the way through the process. So far in November, 50,000 people have selected a plan in the federal site, up from 27,000 for the entire month of October.

Many people are likely still in window-shopping mode, and enrollments should pick up even more—both on the state sites and the federal site—in the last week or two before the December 15 deadline for insurance to be in place on January 1, and then again in February and March before the final deadline. The Massachusetts experience provides the best model for enrollment patterns, and in the first four months of enrollment just about one-fifth of the uninsured population enrolled.

The people will come. They're not freaked out over what most people perceive as inevitable: a problematic new government program. They're not abandoning support for the program in droves. They're not calling for an end to the program. They're patient enough to give it time to work, even if Republicans and the traditional media are not.

Jason R (67)
Wednesday November 20, 2013, 9:28 pm
Diane, no one can debate some one that won't admit when they're wrong and we certainly know by now that people that only use right wing info is usually wrong. So, what's the point?
The senate just had a vote to close gitmo. You're new sweet heart senator argued a no vote because the prisoners "would get miranda rights" Senator Levin corrected her. They would NOT get miranda right
s in a military prison…Guess how she voted? No. At the cost of hundreds of millions of our money, she and the other obstructionists voted no. Why? Because a black guy would have to get the credit because your people don't want you to know how government works. It's INSANE!!! Your people cost us WAY more money that you know.

Shelly Peterson (213)
Sunday November 24, 2013, 1:40 am
HEAR HERE JASON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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