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Open Thread - 11/18/2013

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Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).

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Monday November 18, 2013, 4:58 am

Lona G (80)
Monday November 18, 2013, 6:38 am
My, my, TomCat, your starting to sound like a real socialist lately, well at least like the European definition of one ;-)
It is so true, long-term unemployment is devastating to both the unemployed and to the ones depending on them. It kills the spirit, it leads to stress which makes physically ill as well as mentally in that it may cause depression and may lead to substance dependencies, and it stigmatizes people so badly that they have trouble ever recovering from it. So prevention of long-term unemployment and all the help possible to keep unemployment length to a minimum is in the best interest of the unemployed, their families AND the country. The government must play a major role in prevention and help as smaller companies can’t and larger companies won’t.

I thought I was quite hardened by the inhumane things Republicans and Tea Partiers in particular utter about their fellow men. We have a saying that translates into “getting callouses on your soul” for that. But when reading the uttering of David Barton, I really felt my bile rise and for the first time ever I physically felt my loathing for another being. I had typed ‘human being’ there, but the word human does not seem to apply to Barton nor have I ever felt loathing for a non-human being, so that adjective had to go. Within two short minutes he manages to offend/hurt/humiliate/discriminate… all those vets with PTSD by calling them ‘not true Christian soldiers’ (and therefore Atheists) who can blame themselves only for their PTSD because the true christian god is all for soldiers killing others and wouldn’t let them feel guilty about it. So much for the true christian god and his followers. With his little celebration of veterans day Burton probably has turned more veterans into atheists than into fellow believers.
I wasn’t sure I had the stomach for the other 9 contestants for the ‘Republicans’ vilest’ rewards this week, but it turned out that this is the winner although “Rafael Cruz: Atheism leads to sexual abuse of children.” and “What Obamacare is really advocating is not safer sex, he [Rush Limbaugh] says—it’s prostitution.” came very close to making me nauseous again.

We used to watch CNN world news a lot when we were abroad, because they had such good, impartial world covering, but about two years ago my husband, who travels a lot, started complaining that it became more and more biased and he no longer watches it if there is anything else on offer in the hotel or if there is an internet connection so he can watch BBC world news. This despicable split-screen segment comparing Obama with Toronto’s mayor Ford closes the book for good for us on an era of CNN news.

Robert B (60)
Monday November 18, 2013, 6:56 am
"When you go to war God’s way, Barton chimed in, “not only are you guiltless for having done that, you’re esteemed.”"- What a big load of crap! There is no such thing as going to war "God's Way" The only way that could be God's way is LOVE. Suffering from PTSD is a reaction to the trauma of war. It is a normal reaction. Some are lucky not to be devastated by it, may aren't. Why PTSD? Because WAR is a HORROR STORY where EVERYONE LOSES!!!! The "Religious" Right are, as usual, DEAD WRONG!!!

Carlene V (202)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:22 am
Probably Barton nor Copeland ever served our country so have no clue as to what it can do to our soldiers to kill or maim another human being. Let's put those 2 Christians in with the lions and see how guiltless they'd be. Just keep sending in your money and Copeland will keep you in God's hands, pure BS!

Still waiting for those "job creators" to get to work but they seem stuck on other issues like trying to defund Obamacare for the 48th time or how about stopping abortions? If they or someone they know ever got hurt on a crumbling road or broken bridge, why they'd show up pronto to pass a bill.

Lona G (80)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:22 am
Well, this is a surprise. Not so much the idea of a living wage for everyone; this has been discussed in different countries in Europe (among them Holland, of course ;-) ) when economic times were much better than they are currently. But the fact that this comes from Switzerland is surprising, which is certainly not known for its socialism, quite the contrary and despite what the article might suggest.
The European financial crises has changed things for Switzerland too. Many Swiss have realized that their economy was too dependent on their (international) banks and, because they are not a member of the European Union, they are on their own when banks topple. Perhaps this has also lead at least 125,000 to consider more socialist notions like a living wage. I would like it to make a majority vote in a referendum, that would greatly increase chances of a renewed discussion in the Netherlands, but I doubt it will and if it does, Swiss parliament is not likely to implement it.

The discussion in Switzerland will take place, however and with that the way people look at work, remuneration for work and what makes an economy tick, will change. And that is a very good thing and something that could be very beneficial for any country, including the US.
But I can just imagine what will happen if someone just dared to mention ‘a living wage for everyone’ around a Tea Partier. Perhaps spontaneous combustion can happen after all.

Lona G (80)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:24 am
So Sorry about this, but I just entered my coment for "a real living wage" here and can't take it back of course. Just ignore it here, please.

JL A (281)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:30 am
My comment disappeared. Take two:
Apparently Barton was born in the wrong century and wishes he could have been a part of the Crusades. To be theologically consistent, he would also see the sins of the father bestowed on the son (Cruz).

Beverly T (82)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:40 am
"Hiring" soldiers to push YOUR AGENDA onto those who oppose is NEVER "right". All one needs is to brainwash others into believing something, true or not, and voila !!!! Once the war is underway and folks lives, limbs, minds, money, homes, and lands are is the cause just or not (usually not). People are then even MORE easily convinced to fight for what was lost.
War is usually a way of "I want what you have" therefore war is MONEY. Lots of money...FOR THE RICH.
The poor uneducated soldier fighting for what THEY want is as much a victim as the civilians caught in the crosshairs of the soldiers guns and weapons of destruction.
The point long as there are super GREEDY S.O.B.'s running this world...there will be WAR !!!

Winnie A (179)
Monday November 18, 2013, 7:40 am
Vote all republicans and tea baggers out of office in every state at every opportunity.

Arielle S (313)
Monday November 18, 2013, 9:03 am
People like Baron give all religion a bad name - amazing what experts people who have no experience can be.

As for comparing Obama with Ford? WT? CNN get bought out by Ted Cruz or something? I'm off to complain...

P A (117)
Monday November 18, 2013, 9:21 am
Thanks so much for the understanding TC – just what are CNN smoking these days with that insane comparison? Incredible!

Terrie Williams (798)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:03 am
Sorry….my head is doing a Linda Blair on steroids again……this country has lost its mind along with its soul. And I'll bet that neither one of those so-called 'good' Christian insects (sorry, they are not men to me) ever went to war…let alone ever stepped foot on a ward in a VA hospital. Beyond despicable. I agree with Rixar, way past time to tax the churches and start drafting the senators/congresspeople's sons and daughters…..and of course, the American Taliban's children.

CNN's has been Faux Noose's lil brother for some years now…..they are after all, Corporate owned and Fascist friendly.

Kit B (276)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:12 am

Let me understand, true Christians would be happy to kill men, women and children? This man should NEVER be called a historian, it's a direct insult to those who dedicate time, money and their life to learning history.

The sad truth is the longer one is unemployed the more unemployable they become, and we blame them. I wonder why we blame these people when it is the attitude of the employers.

Well TC, this was a Bye Week for the Boys and they needed the time to rest, regroup and maybe field a team on the 24th. *Sigh*


JL A (281)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:50 am
And the major employment opportunities using technology require one to stay current with the software so a programmer (and similar for IT related job) loses skill value as time goes by for doing the work.

Birgit W (160)
Monday November 18, 2013, 1:31 pm
Noted, thanks.

Pat B (356)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:07 pm
NY Times: "Old, unemployed, and out of money". What IS the answer to these millions of folks? How very, very sad.
David Barton: Looked him up on Wikepedia: In short: Never served in the military. "Barton holds no formal credentials in history or law, and scholars dispute the accuracy and integrity of his assertions about history". I also found it interesting, that "The Southern Poverty Law Center describes Barton's work as "anti-gay" "historical revisionism", noting that Barton has no formal training in history."
I will say BCC is far better than CNN, I get that in the early a.m. CNN's 10 minute loop of the same news gets tiring, also. I didn't like the split screen comparison at all.!!
Tom, take care, and Thank you.

Kit B (276)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:11 pm

Oh yeah - 3:41 on that everything looks the same puzzle.

David C (129)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:18 pm
....and in the 21st century The Lord said "forgiving you doesn't mean you get permission to destroy my creation".....stop fracking, save earth, the only home for life as we know it....

James Maynard (84)
Monday November 18, 2013, 2:29 pm
Afraid my piano playing was flat...

Joanne Dixon (38)
Monday November 18, 2013, 4:14 pm
6:10 A kind of dissonant molto largo.

The Economy: Sure, a big public works project might help. But not with the sequester, and the TP in power, because it will never happen. If it wasn't obvious to them in 2008 as it was to me, how will they see it now?

Barton - certainly magical thinking - definitely not the same as being Christian. Could we send him to a combat zone? Not embed him, but drop him off and leave him to his own devices? I did see the infamous ten - i have started looking for them now. This week there is not much to choose among them.

CNN - The only similarity I see between Obama and Ford is that they are both male.

Cartoon - YES! YES!

Comments - hacking Obamacare - My guess had been, that since they farmed it out, and had to take the lowest bidder, that a TP firm deliberately bid way below cost to get the opportunity to construct it full of bugs in the first place. Which is not to say hacking wouldn't happen anyway.

Katie & Bill D (107)
Monday November 18, 2013, 9:20 pm
Thank You for the very interesting article TomCat

TomCat S (128)
Monday November 18, 2013, 11:38 pm
Thanks everyone. Kitty, especially in Texas, your Boys need to have a bi week in recognition of LGBT folk.
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