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A Woman's Right to Choose Under Fire


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TomCat S. (286)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 2:01 am
Let me begin with the caveat that I consider abortions tragedies. However, I also recognize that, at times, there are no better choices available. That said, if I ever become pregnant, an event I consider highly unlikely, what to to about it must be MY choice. Neither I, nor anyone else, has the right to impose our values on any woman or interfere with her right to choose. Republicans, however, refuse to respect women’s rights.
 

Jennifer B. (85)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 3:13 am
The right to choose has always been under fire. Roe vs Wade was a hard won battle, but it wasnt the war.
 

Ruth Ann W. (208)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:30 am
Noted. There is a war against women, people. It isn't just reproductive rights that they would eliminate. How about family planning, reproductive health, reproductive education?
 

Arielle S. (317)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 7:13 am
If they can control women in every way, they have all the power. Guess what, guys - ain't gonna happen.
Churches that get political should not have tax-free status - men who do not get pregnant should have nothing - NOTHING - to say about women being or not being pregnant. This great diversion from all the things they should be working on and are not has got to stop.
 

tasunka m. (334)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 7:53 am
time to get out the giant VASECTOMY MACHINE
let's see how they like having decisions made
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:30 am
Right on, tasunka, castrate them all. Better yet, make them impotent.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:58 am

I understand that for some this issue is, in their opinion is a deep religious and moral question. Morals like religion are a deeply personal issue, they can not be dictated by politicians nor a semi-popular cause of the moment.

Since our sex life has become a national debate it's should be noted that of all women's health treatments handled by doctors and Planned Parenthood, abortion is less than 3%, so we are NOT slaughtering babies and the scientific reality is, they are not babies, they can not survive out of the uterus, they are not fully formed.

Beyond those real but simple points is the very real question of the constitution and a right to privacy, a right to liberty and happiness. Whether a woman is raped or had consensual intercourse is really not relevant, she has a right to her own body, an absolute right to decide about her life. While this is often wrapped in a package of biblical concerns, the bible says that life begins when the child is born and draws it's first breath.

The back door is of course, to make abortions so expensive, so difficult to obtain and so personally an invasion of a woman's body that many will reject the choice. Along with this venal thinking, is another invasion of women, that is to prevent her from using any form of birth control. Folks, you can not have both ways, either a woman is allowed to prevent the pregnancy or she will have an abortion and sadly these laws are making the worst kind of abortions, those ill equipped to do this procedure, resulting in deaths - again.

Abortion are opposed by 77% of conservative men - 100% of those men will never be pregnant.

It does not matter the reasons for the medical procedure that is a private and personal issue. It matters that it is legal and these states are actually hoping for a case to break Roe-v-Wade. I have doubts that even this court would over turn that decision. Until women in the US have the exact same rights to self determination as any man, we are defacto second class citizens.
 

GGmaSheila D. (164)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:26 am
MN Representative Collin Peterson is very much "Pro-Life" and he's a Democrat...he has voted with the GOPTP on Abortion Rights, also other key Liberal issues. He keeps telling me in his emails he'll take my views into consideration, but still votes the way he personally believes.

I agree with Tom Cat...the right to choose is important, maybe not necessarily what I would choose, still it's not my right to tell another person, let alone millions, what they Have to choose. It's a very personal decision - politics and politicians Need to get their Religious Extremist noses out.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:34 am

This is not really about abortion, it is a device used for distraction. You have seen the magician put a quarter in one hand then deftly remove the quarter from your ear. Distraction of one hand while your eye is diverted, the other is doing some thing else. This is about fighting for the supremacy of the old white guys against women, and all minorities.

Distraction, Diversion and Division - The three D's don't be a sucker for this.
 

Kit B. (276)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:36 am

About abortion or welfare - sorry my fingers were moving faster than this old worn out brain.
 

Arielle S. (317)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 9:52 am
Bravo, Kit - your worn out brain could take on the Tea Party any day of the week...I can't imagine the GOP actually thinks they could legally stop all abortions but it is a good distraction from important issues - and if they did win, they'd be happy. But in the meantime, they're getting away with murder....
 

Gene Jacobson (251)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 10:27 am
"A three-year surge in anti-abortion measures in more than half the states has altered the landscape for abortion access, with supporters and opponents agreeing that the new restrictions are shutting some clinics, threatening others and making it far more difficult in many regions to obtain the procedure."

Kit's right, this is about more than reproductive rights, all rights enjoyed by the less than 1% are under attack, this just happens to be a very visible, emotional issue. Jennifer, I would disagree that this war has not been won. It was, a Republican Supreme Court, with a decision written by a Minnesotan on that court, a republican, Harry Blackmun, from Minnesota, my home state, on a court whose chief justice, Warren Burger, was also a Minnesotan that established the parameters that have been settled law since 1972. These tea party crackpots who have passed so many laws around the country the last four years violating that decision are, if the current court has any respect for the law itself and the principle called stare decisis - which means it is settled - and by which all courts are bound to precedent unless something drastically new has come up, and it has not, then when the Arizona law, which has already been overturned by a Federal appellate court, gets to the Supremes, perhaps this week they will decide to hear arguments, or simply rule that the appellate court was correct, should certainly be upheld by the current court.

That there are battles again is nothing new, I'd rather they challenge the law this way than by bombing clinics. As TomCat noted, this is a decision I consider tragic, but NONE of my business. Each person's body is sacrosanct and NO ONE has a right to tell them what to do with it - I go a lot further than abortion in that statement, I include end of life decisions as well. There is no societal interest in any individuals personal health choices. There are archaic laws still on the books I think ought be changed. But this is one that men have no stake in and I, like others, have no clue as to what it is that makes powerful men think they have a right to tell women what they may or may not do with their own bodies. Men have no right to do this, religion is a pathetic excuse. This, like rape, is about POWER, not religion. In this instance as in so many the teapublicans have put forth since 2010, they are simply wrong. I believe they are going to pay dearly for that, because they still think the "people" support them and polls show on issues, like this one, they most certainly do not. Nonetheless I want them to continue their course right up to the presidential election in 2016 when I believe America will show the tea party the door. Republicans of more moderate ideas are afraid of the teapublicans and at a loss as to how to win back any part of the constituencies they have lost since 2010. They, with their incessant attacks on us, have lost many seniors, women, working poor, middle class, veterans and minorities of color or orientation. They can't win us back, they are not trustworthy. They proved that by running on a jobs, jobs, jobs platform in 2010 and then done nothing whatsoever about jobs other than to protect their masters ability to eliminate them. They are passing into history and don't know it. I hope they keep those heads firmly buried in the sand until they are no more. Texas and Arizona are expected to become the first two states with less than half white populations, relatively soon, with many more to follow, by 2040, more than half the country will be what are now minorities. See how we look then, how we work then, how our country functions in the world then. I can't wait. I just hope I live to see it. :^)
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 10:43 am
Perhaps for every woman who dies in a botched illegal abortion an old while "pro-life" politician should be chosen at random to die also.
 

Michael A. (29)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:09 am
Noted
 

Winn Adams (191)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:20 am
A woman's right to chose is just that; it is her choice and her decision alone. When men get pregnant I'll start to listen to what they have to say on the subject.
 

Deb E. (64)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:31 am
These men are merely trying to protect their version of the Constitution, which, they seem to forget, was written in the 1700s. When it was written, the protection of rights and, well, everything in it, absolutely did NOT apply to anyone other than the WHITE MALE. When they wrote "all men were created equal", they didn't mean men of color and they certainly didn't mean women. Females, to these men now, are nothing more than a way for them to spread their seed and, in their opinions, that is the reason they were born. I have no idea how so many sick, delusional people came to power in this country ... oh wait ... Koch brothers bought their elections. I agree 100% that any woman who supports this kind of man is just plain stupid. Every women should have the right to allow another human being to gestate within her or not. If a "fetus" cannot live on its' own outside of a womb, it is not a viable human life. When men come up with a way for them to incubate a fetus, then they can make abortion illegal, because then they can safely take the fetus and grow it themselves. I don't agree with late term abortions except in extreme cases, but that is my belief, and it is not my place to push that belief on anyone else, especially when I don't know the circumstances in their life. I hope we get some rational and SANE people elected this year. I am sick of idiots running this country.
 

Dave C. (214)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 11:39 am
Want to stop abortions.....then fund free health care and sex education that is not just abstinence only..........also the cons need to stop the hypocrisy of loving the fetus, but not supporting the child....or its parents.
 

JL A. (275)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 12:32 pm
Pro-choice and pro-women options are cost effective for the taxpayers--the fiscally conservative choice. Will people start questioning this waste of their tax dollars better spent elsewhere?
 

Dianna M. (13)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 1:45 pm
TomCat, any Republican seeing your cartoon would be screaming in outrage. That barefoot, pregnant woman--outdoors? Just standing there, doing nothing? "WHY ISN'T SHE IN THE KITCHEN!" Or at least, mowing the lawn . . .

And speaking of barefoot and pregnant, did you know that the maternal death rate in the U.S. is more than double what it was 25 years ago? At least, according to an article published in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch in April of last year.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/why-are-so-many-u-s-women-dying-during-childbirth/article_dd916b4b-38f0-5bae-ba42-ddee636e4cf4.html
 

Ganaisha Calvin (6)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 2:31 pm
thanks for sharing
 

Sheri Schongold (6)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:31 pm
There will always be someone who knows better than you what how you should take care of yourself. These anti-abortionists and no good do gooders will always know us better than we do. I guess it is time to do what has been done before. Become Sufferagettes and go out side and protest just like the other no counts do.
 

Carlene V. (203)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:34 pm
Personally I think Republicans, and the men especially, are way to interested in a personal decision made by a woman. They care more about a fetus then the child as they've so well proven to us with their defunding parts of SNAP. When a woman wants to terminate a pregnancy, it is her right and no one else in my opinion.
 

. (0)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 4:50 pm
That's not good. Thanks for sharing, TomCat.
 

Mitchell D. (130)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 5:05 pm
Sooo many good comments.GgmaSheila, that putz will"consider" your comments, for a nono-second, before deep sixing them.
Part of the problem with the religious point of view about abortion is that it dovetails with the felt need on the part of those people, to spread their gospel AND try to retain the control the religious right has long taken for granted.
Cardinal Spellman, certainly a "Man of the cloth," got in the way of intervention on the side of the Jews, during the Holocaust. Did he use his sizable influence in a humanitarian manner? Did he give a rotten rat's ass about "What would Jesus do?" I'm willing to bet that he would be vociferously against the entire womens' movement, especially reproductive freedoms.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (273)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 6:18 pm
Leave our bodies alone it is our choice
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 7:30 pm
We MUST fight the reelection of these people!
 

Lona Goudswaard (68)
Sunday January 5, 2014, 8:55 pm
I'm very late in responding to the posts and have given my green stars away already, so here are a few golden stars for all who left a comment and some extra for Kit, Gene and Deb.
I have high hopes that this war on women will start to get resolved in 2014 and finished in 2016 when the last Republican is voted out of office. With his or her departure almost all major problems in the US can alsobe resolved.
 

A F. (130)
Monday January 6, 2014, 12:26 am
Thank you for this. We need to make our voices heard. Hey, if they can't find it in their hearts to let us control our own bodies, there's always the Lysistrata Gambit. People don't like to talk about it, but it can move mountains when there's simply no other option. Some of the wives/girlfriends of these idiots trying to oppress and control women by denying them health care, decent wages, you name it, might want to consider exerting a little control themselves. ;)
 

Alan Lambert (90)
Monday January 6, 2014, 1:39 am
The attacks must stop. Support pro-choice candidates.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Monday January 6, 2014, 1:59 am
Thanks to all. Many, many kudos.

Siouxz, keep that knife away from my kitty dingles!!!
 

Diane O. (149)
Monday January 6, 2014, 3:07 am
If a woman decides it is best to kill an unborn child that is her personal choice. However, she needs to pay for that decision. I certainly don't want to pay for it. When it comes to a personal choice it should be funded by that person. Women know how to prevent a pregnancy.
 

Lindsay Kemp (1)
Monday January 6, 2014, 4:57 am
Noted. Abortion is never a simple matter, and is always a painful one for those involved in having to make a decision. If those wishing to take away a woman's right to choose want to be listened to, they had better say what support they are going to offer women who are then forced to go through with a pregnancy they don't want.
 

Diane O. (149)
Monday January 6, 2014, 10:42 am
If she doesn't want her baby she should make the appointment to end its life and take her credit card with her. A woman isn't forced to carry a baby. She can get an abortion but when she starts believing that other people are responsible for paying for it then she has a problem when she makes her problem the taxpayer's problem.

Where have the personal responsibility Americans gone?


 

Wild Thang (9)
Monday January 6, 2014, 12:20 pm
There are more and more restrictions to abortion, they cannot just go and get one. Abortion doctors have to hire body guards and have home security systems and have entire neighborhood disturbed by demonstration. Some have to travel to other state or long distance to find clinic and then spend days with hoops to jump through at their expense making it next to impossible for the poor. That is the intent of the legislation to take away rights of as many as possible.
All women face the risk of death in pregnancy and childbirth and should have their own personal medical right up to birth since the risk is always there. If they have insurance they should have coverage as well as any other legal procedure. Until birth the fetus is part of a woman's body not a separate entity.
 

Wild Thang (9)
Monday January 6, 2014, 12:22 pm
They have a right to medical assistance as much for this procedure as an other one as a matter of medical choice not someones else moral concern..
 

Birgit W. (144)
Monday January 6, 2014, 2:46 pm
Winn Adams says it all. Thank you.
 

Diane O. (149)
Monday January 6, 2014, 3:13 pm
There are abortion clinics all over the United States. And, no, Wild, I disagree that women should have insurance to pay for an elective surgery. The taxpayers should NOT be paying for irresponsible adults who take risks when having sex. We aren't animals. We know if we don't want to make a baby we take the precautions to keep from becoming pregnant.

Personally, I don't care if a woman wants to have 8 abortions a year and use it as her birth control but she needs to understand that by being careless her credit card is going to have a very high balance. Once a person has some monetary skin in the game they get smart. When someone has to pay for their mistakes they stop making that mistake. If the liberals keep going in this direction the next thing you know the taxpayers will be paying for everyone's speeding tickets. It's about controlling one's destiny and making them personally responsible for the choices they make.
 

TomCat S. (286)
Tuesday January 7, 2014, 2:15 am
Thanks to Lindsey and Birgit. Kudos to Wild Thing. The notion that irresponsibility is always the reason for abortions is absurd, and if Republicans really gave a damn about responsibility, they would not be interfering with women getting birth control.
 
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