Thursday February 13, 2014, 12:09 am
Here are the results of our Debt Ceiling Poll. Politics Plus Polls are not scientific, because those who respond are not balanced according to demographic categories. Therefore, we do not accurately reflect the makeup of the US population. Nevertheless, our polls are often both accurate and indicative of the nationís view. This time, however, only two of us got it right.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 2:49 am
Thanks for the poll results.
I hate to say it, but IMO we're all losers here.
Strictly speaking nobody was 100% right. The GOP has caved-in, finally, but it wasn't without issue, because they have kept it from a vote for so long and were preparing us for a long battle (Obama must earn our trust first). They finally caved in (there wasn't all that much time left), but it was only 28 of them who voted with the Democrats, 199 voted against. So just a minor and very localised cave-in, just enough to get it passed. (And who were those two Democrats that voted against?)
Their cave in prevented major economic harm - nothing like the shut-down - but the long uncertainty hasn't done the US much good on the global markets. And the job market didn't do as well as expected either. So I think they did do damage, but fortunately not as much as they could have.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 4:16 am
GOP policy doesn't work. They jump on Obamacare but what really killed it is the lack of the single payer option. I never even looked at the website. I can't afford to live let alone pay for insurance.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 6:29 am
They only caved because they're scared if they don't do something politically right they'll lose for sure. Their base, with a smattering of intelligence, pushed for them to turn away from the tea party radicals. Will be interesting to watch them now start feeding on their own.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 8:28 am
Gloria, I do think you should look at the website. There are subsidies, you know. Could you handle $1 a month? Maybe if it saved you $2 a month in some other expense?
Thursday February 13, 2014, 8:38 am
PS - Lona - Sorry, hadn't read this first:
"The lone Dem holdouts were John Barrow, covering his butt for re-election in deeply red GA-12, and Jim Matheson, retiring from UT-04 but covering his butt for a 2016 statewide run." From the Daily Kos Elections Morning Digest email.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 10:38 am
I celebrate that this was the last such battle for a year because the vote they took raises the debt ceiling automatically as needed into 2015 and resets at whatever level debt is at that point in time (if economic recovery continues similar to recent months, debt level will be lower then)
Thursday February 13, 2014, 11:45 am
You "can't trust any of them". Of course not!! They are politicians!! But the one thing you CAN trust is that the Republican Party WILL always vote for Corporations over People. So vote for the Party that doesn't do that so much, because a vote for any other, or a non vote, is a vote FOR Republicans.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 12:31 pm
This I wrote about the new poll. Part of me hopes they continue their nonsense through 2016, another part suffers along with the long term unemployed and those who lost jobs in the Bush bust and have been unable to find work paying a third of what they once earned. 50 and over? Hang onto that job because finding another, unless you are a 1%er is damn near impossible. And that is the crux of this issue on extending unemployment benefits.
Well, I was torn over this one. In any year but an election year, I'd say no unless they got something big in return, but then they did get to cut SNAP benefits and Obama signed that bill. So, while I believe completely that the Republican party does not have the soul of a rock and would not extend a helping hand to anything or anyone that didn't provide a profit to them ideologically or financially, this IS an election year and those out of work for so long, well, I expect they will find a way to vote. And I am quite sure the republican party knows that. Then again, they knew it in 2012 too and just look at what THAT platform contained. They don't seem capable of learning from past mistakes, they continue to alienate any and all minority groups as well as women and those of us who believe that investment in America and Americans always returns a profit, so yeah, they may will stick to their master plan. But for that fact that so many are hurt by it, I wouldn't mind, because they are on the way to making themselves an historical afterthought, and nothing could be better in the long run for America and Americans than that.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 1:22 pm
Thanks to Gene for his (usual) thoughtful and well-written comments. Having grown up in a home where "Republican" represented people like Eisenhower, I'm now more than disgusted to see what a self-serving, hypocritical party they've become. It's ABHORRENT!
Thursday February 13, 2014, 3:47 pm
The BS that comes out of the mouths of the Republicans continues daily. I don't care if they saved a drowning puppy, I will NEVER TRUST a Republican again after the horrible damage they've caused this country and the continuous attempts to keep damaging our economy and lives simply for power plays and childish revenge. It doesn't matter what they do, what they say, it's all lies and snake oil. REMOVE REPUBLICANS 2014 so America can heal and grow strong again. The Republican/Tea Party insult this country every single day with their assumption and attitude that Americans are so damn ignorant and stupid that we can't see through their BS and destructive agenda. Unfortunately they have blinded and brainwashed about a 1/3 it seems but that leaves 2/3rds of us that do have the intelligence, independence and common sense to see the corrupting of our Democracy that the Right is so set on accomplishing.
Thursday February 13, 2014, 6:03 pm
I'm shocked that they caved so quickly - even in an Election Year, Especially in an Election Year! If they Truly represent their insane base, I figured they would at least do the crazy dance & make some outrageous demands Before crying as they voted to give in..where's the Theater?? ;)
Friday February 14, 2014, 3:35 am
John Boehner was between a rock and a hard place. He didn't have the votes. I remember the election in November 2010 when the American people voted to remove democrats and the republicans won the House. Over the past four years Obama has created the perfect storm for a republican congress. We will have to wait and see how the American people feel about Obama in November of this year.
No spin from the republicans. The republicans aren't the ones who have broken the law at least 27 times on the Obamacare law. Obama has dug a deep hole for the democrats.