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Open Thread - 1/19/2014


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: Open Thread )

TomCat
- 58 days ago - politicsplus.org
Personal news, a Jig Zone puzzle, 3 short takes, and a homemade cartoon (shown).



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Gloria picchetti (279)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 3:54 am
I loved the jigsaw puzzle! Sleep is probably the best thing TC.
 

Lona Goudswaard (61)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 4:42 am
Lots of luck with establishing a new sleep pattern, TomCat, but you'd be well advised to read up on sleep while doing that. If you start sleeping too much(more than you need) you end up feeling just as tired and feeling not refreshed as if you had too little. You could end up in a downward spiral, feeling you need more and more sleep while the opposite is true, so please take care.

TPM: of course 1.6 million jobs is a disaster, what else did you expect McConnell to say. He's programmed that way and can't help himself.

Think Progress: News like this will be flooding in from the Red states, rural hospitals closing down. I agree they are getting what they deserve for keeping the GOP in power, but I doubt if many of the poorest who can't afford to pay for these medical services have really voted Republican. They probably didn't get a chance to vote either.

Blue Oregon: Let's hope that if the senate of Kansas saw sense, the senate of more enlightened Oregon will do too. It is shocking that they can get enough signatures in Oregon, though. It just shows how far the tentacles of the religious right reach.

Cartoon: O yes the US, and others, ratified, but it took Cambodia's 2-3 million deaths to get this ratification and it never interfered with the genocide in Yugoslavia, Rwanda and Burundi, and currently in Sudan and North Korea.

I'm going to come back on the TTP here, if I may. My comment was that the rest of the world and especially Europe is very concerned about these secret talks as it affect us very adversely too. Today I got a request to sign a German petition against these secret talks and the TTIP in general. It has over 360,000 signatures already and people from all over the world can sign in. It is in German but the US can be found under "Vereinigte Staaten". https://www.campact.de/ttip/appell/teilnehmen/
 

John B. (215)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 5:37 am
Thanks Tom for another great post and to you Lona for sharing the links.

TPM: Poor Mitch would know what progress and recovery is as he is too busy obstructing it.

Think Progress: The "benefits" of having a GOP administration in any state would be laughable if people weren't dying because of their opposition to the Affordable Care Act’s Medicaid expansion.

Blue Oregon: This has nothing to do with "respecting" religious convictions and everything to do with denying human rights because of religious bigotry.

Great cartoon and so true.

Read and noted.
 

Robert B. (57)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:18 am
Sometimes I think that there must be a "stupidity and bigotry requirement" in the guidelines for joining the GOP. What I can't understand is WHY do the people who are the ultimate victims of right wing legislation keep voting for these fascists? WHY?!!! Is the GOP propaganda machine that persuasive? It just boggles one's mind.
 

Winn Adams (178)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:57 am
Sleep is so important Tom Cat. I hope you can get the sleep you need. Like I've said before a mind is a terrible thing to waste and the GOP and Tea Baggers are out there living with ET and Peter Pan in Never Never land.
 

Arielle S. (313)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 7:10 am
At this point in time, I'm so disgusted with all things Republican that they can just bite me. This includes much of the state of GA which is full of rednecked Republicans who are positive that all blacks are lazy, good for nothings and anyone who really wants a job can find one. This from a lot of people who live well in big houses with new cars and great retirement accounts. They are the morons who keep electing crooked governors and on-the-take senators because they also control the voting.

And I do not believe I would want service from someone who was refusing it to another because of race or religion.

Altho a neighbor and us have been trying for over a week to get ALL of our tv stations working, our new Comcast bill went up $23 this month. Comcast and Time Warner have the worst service records of all so yeah, sure, why not combine them and have just one company that doesn't do what they should?

You'll be all rested up, Tom, by next week and able to handle the whole world!
 

Pat B. (351)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 8:07 am
Think Progress: Shame that the poor/uninsured folks will have to travel more miles for med care, I am sure that we will see more closures as time goes on too, unfortunately.
Blue Oregon: Scary indeed, riddled with hate, prejudice, and bigotry. 'Religious liberty'? NOT.!!
Cartoon: Sadly, so very true.!!!
Do hope that your sleep patterns will even out, everyone is different, re: their basal sleep need vs. sleep debt. Check it out at the National Sleep Foundation @
http://www.sleepfoundation.org/article/how-sleep-works/how-much-sleep-do-we-really-need
Do take care, have a restful day, take care, and Thanks, Tom.
 

JL A. (269)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 8:46 am
I would expand on your cartoon and add the other disparate criminal justice policies that incarcerate a significant percent of some race/ethnic groups in the years most start families as a kind of cultural/generational genocide.

Agree with the value of saving jobs--a value Mitch apparently doesn't share.

Once upon a time the rural populations would have had public health services rather than for profit entities for meeting their needs--good example of why public rather than private health care is more in keeping with the common good.
 

Dotti Lydon (118)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 9:09 am
Read and noted. All good comments. Thanks to all.
 

Deb E. (60)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 11:07 am
I wouldn't worry about Oregon going anti-gay. The bill to allow for same sex marriage is heavily supported in the state. There may be a few haters that would try to use religious beliefs as an excuse not to sell to someone, but that won't last long in this state. Now that everyone knows about what Sweet Cakes did to that couple, I'd be willing to bet their business will go down.

I sure hope I live long enough to see the world's population realize that good medical care helps the entire population, and that it should rank in public services right alongside police protection and fire protection. Providing medical care to people for huge profits is about as disgusting as it gets.

Thanks, TC. You need to start going to bed before 2:00 am!
 

Yvonne White (232)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 11:23 am
"Separate but equal" NEVER meant equal in any way. Discrimination is UNConstitutional - you don't have to be a Constitutional scholar to know that.
 

Joanne Dixon (34)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 12:00 pm
6:24 It doesn't LOOK uphill...

TPM - "McConnell said Obama could better secure the nation's finances by scaling back regulations and giving the green light to the Keystone XL pipeline project" ???!???1!11!!! Yeah, right. There wouldn't be a nation to secure the finances of, but who cares? Besides the serfs, I mean.

Think Progress - I too hope they learn their lesson - but I doubt it. For one thing the people who really need the services won't vote. Unless "out of state agitators" come in and "stir them up" (translation - unless reasonsble and kind people come in from out of the state to advise them of their rights and assist them to exercise them). I believe one of the Democratic committees that follow elections has allotted found for exactly that. I hope there's enough, and I hope it helps.

Blue Oregon - Actually the Kansas state legislature was massively in favor of this bill until (I think this is how it was worded) the "ramifications became more clear." "Ramifications" is code for thousands of phone calls, letters, emails, and whatnot from constituents all over the state screaming bloody murder. So even if you think signing that petition can't possibly help, that no one is listening, that we can't accomplish anything - sign anyway. Sometimes it helps.

Lona - Just signed, over 380,000 now, thanks.
 

pam w. (187)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 12:19 pm
I'm hoping your sleep problems are improving soon, Tom!
 

Birgit W. (135)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 1:43 pm
Thanks.
 

Wayne W. (12)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 1:43 pm
"Is the GOP propaganda machine that persuasive? It just boggles one's mind."

Robert B., yes it does. The GOP and Fox News have convinced millions of people who depend on SS and Medicare for survival that it is in their best interest to abolish SS & Medicare. All of this reminds me of the man in a wheelchair at an early Tea Party rally holding up the "Keep Your Government Hands off my Medicare" sign. How can we deal with an ignorance that deep and wide? As the President said, ""It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."
 

. (0)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 5:24 pm
Great thread, TomCat. Sleep is important.
 

Elle B. (80)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:25 pm
Ty Tom ... rest well . . .
 

Sheila D. (24)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:33 pm
Separation of Church and State is becoming a thing of the past. Future generations will think it was a fantasy if this continues. Thanks for another great post, TomCat. Hope you get the sleep you need.
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 6:58 pm
Puzzle — 3:19 I hit a few bumps in the road! . . . Jerry quit dropping bread crumbs!

TPM — The Turtle is such a putz!

"…Mitch McConnell (R-KY) was in no mood to celebrate the five-year anniversary of President Barack Obama’s stimulus package …"

Of course not because he is only willing to celebrate the political demise of Obama . . . like all Republicanus/Teabaggers, he has done everything he could to sink Obama and bring about the permanent Republicanus/Teabagger Reich!

Think Progress — A sad state. The poor have paid and continue to pay for the greed of the 1% and their Republicanus/Teabagger lackeys! How many deaths will it take to justify the Republicanus/Teabagger idiotology?

Blue Oregon — Religious liberty, my ass! This is plain and simple HATE!

"…This proposal, along with the one in Kansas, is being sold as honoring "religious liberty"."

And I thought that religion and government were supposed to be separate!

The only good Republicanus/Teabagger is a neutered and unemployed Republicanus/Teabagger!

Cartoon — Outlawed genocide in 1986? Me thinks that the Republicanus/Teabaggers should be tried for genocide then for their treatment of gays, the poor, women etc. Their laws have relegated these groups, and others, to death.
 

Lynn Squance (219)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 7:12 pm
Thanks Lona for the petition.
Thank you - your signature was added to the appeal.

386 453 have already signed our appeal. Before the handover of signatures on Friday we want to be at least 500,000. Help!
 

William & Katri D. (77)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 8:41 pm
Very interesting TomCat Thank You
 

Lloyd H. (46)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 8:54 pm
Well on the sort off brighter side the Kansass Senate has said, "No!". Sort of they refuse to take it up in its present form, but given that other Repug Tea Bagging states have said that with other shit bills and then done it in the dead of night or put it in to other legislation to hide it!?!
As for the shut downs of hospitals that serve the poor unfortunately that is one perfectly clean hands way of winning the war on the poor. And even on my most generous days I have no problem starting from the preposition that when all is said and done that is the intent. They have never shrank from the use of violent rhetoric. All one has to do is look at the lead up to the Terrorist Assassination of Dr. Tiller or the intentional ignorance of the racist effects of Stand Your Ground Laws or the historical proof for the number of deaths associated with outlawing Safe Accessible Abortion. And I think I will leave the discussion of the proclivity of Repug Neocons for starting wars from which they profit but pay no price for.
 

TomCat S. (285)
Wednesday February 19, 2014, 11:55 pm
Thanks everyone. Ver4y long and busy day today!!
 

James Maynard (62)
Thursday February 20, 2014, 9:57 am
McConnell needs to be retired.
Geor-gia, Geor-gia.... ooof!
Wow, so Kansas does have some
not brain-dead folk in politics.

That bicycle whizzed right by me...
 
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