Tuesday July 1, 2014, 12:37 am
In 1982, Clarence “Teabag” Thomas, began an extensive, persistent and unwanted effort to get between Anita Hill’s legs. He failed, but in Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, he and the other four fascist Injustices of SCROTUS (Republican Constitutional VD) succeeded in placing themselves between the legs of millions of women. The Republican effort to do this has been even more extensive, persistent and unwanted. At the came time they set an unconstitutional precedent by saying a corporation can have a religion, and that the beliefs of that corporation may be imposed on employees who do not share them.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 4:09 am
I’m both disappointed and mad as hell about this ruling and I’m not even American!
There is something very wrong with a judicial system when the decisions of the Supreme Court of a nation are political and not non-partisan and when the Court doesn’t adhere to its own constitution and doesn’t keeps government and religion separated, but let their personal religious beliefs influence their judgment. It has happened only days ago when SCOTUS unanimously (!) forbade the Massachusetts buffer zone for women’s health care (and abortion) clinics, now the five conservative justices (read GOP affiliated and corporation bought) have judged against women, but also against the current government.
Justice Samuel Alito wrote: Among the reasons the United States is so open, so tolerant, and so free is that no person may be restricted or demeaned by government in exercising his or her religion. Yet neither may that same exercise unduly restrict other persons, such as employees, in protecting their own interests, interests the law deems compelling.
If this isn’t GOP-inspired, I don’t know what is.
Underneath it all is also another attack on affordable care and aimed to make the government pick up the tab, on which dissenter Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg wrote: A tax credit, of course, is one variety of “let the government pay.” In addition to departing from the existing employer-based system of health insurance, Conestoga’s alternative would require a woman to reach into her own pocket in the first instance, and it would do nothing for the woman too poor to be aided by a tax credit.
And where is the stopping point to the “let the government pay” alternative? Suppose an employer’s sincerely held religious belief is offended by health coverage of vaccines, or paying the minimum wage, or according women equal pay for substantially similar work?
That their own religious beliefs were at play here is all too obvious: they never even bothered to examine these beliefs in their ruling although they were the basis of the case, it was enough that they were “sincere”. The fact that Hobby Horse’s pension plan invests $ 74 million in pharmaceutical companies producing contraceptives, morning-after polls and medicine to stimulate abortions apparently did not diminish this sincerity.
The whole sordid business is perhaps best summed up by Erick Erickson who tweeted:
My religion trumps your "right" to employer subsidized consequence free sex.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 7:12 am
You ever notice how the more "devout" a sect is, in general, the more they screw over women?
You notice the FIT about birth control. But I never, never hear them pitch a fit about men getting "fixed." Getting snipped is probably the closest a man could come to an abortion. You NEVER really hear them preach about the evils of male ... hmmm, how do we say this politely, wasting sperm without a partner anymore. Oh and you most certainly don't see them EVER having a problem with Vigara.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 7:14 am
In addition to this, Hobby Lobby is a hypocrite.
From my understanding, most of their CRAP, is made in China. Hmm I believe China actually forced women to get an abortion. They are throwing a fit about birth control, which is NOT an abortion, but they support a country that had mandatory abortions.
And they want me to think their religious beliefs are sincere? HELL NO.
Well let's look at it this way Hobby Lobby. You just made a portion of your female workers have a tougher time getting birth control. I hope you are okay with maternity leave and all those sick days that your female and male employees will need because they have kids, they didn't want.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 7:15 am
Finally, I think this will bite them in the butt as a business decision. I went to their Facebook page, just to check the reactions yesterday. I think 80% of the recent comments were, "I'm not shopping there anymore."
I"m sure they will cry religious persecution when less people buy their garbage.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 7:18 am
Right to the POINT, lol, Ash
If they were scientology believers would they be allowed to deny people medicine they don't believe in? NO ANTIDEPRESSANTS, ZOMG? How would American people survive?
Thanks TC, THE ALCU IS SO ON THIS FRIGHTENING PRECEDENT
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Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:07 am
The conservative members of SCOTUS are insane... Or well paid off. Personally, I don't understand why ALL for-profit businesses don't have to abide by the same rules. If a so-called "religious" group wants to enter the marketplace, they shouldn't be able to rewrite the rules according to their own so-called beliefs. They want to play the game, they play by the rules already set. No exemptions.
That this decision goes against science, logic, AND women stinks. There is no "legitimate" reason Hobby Lobby should have won. Again, a special "thanks for nothing" to GW Bush for his conservative appointees to the Court. That administration's choices continue to haunt us.
That Hobby Lobby has some of their investments in companies that make birth control products shows the pure hypocrisy and anti-woman mentality. I also wonder if the ownership's own families are the size of those expected when one does not practice birth control. Bet not.
Would SCOTUS have had the same decision if the religious group were a non-Christian one? Bet not.
After recent Court decisions, I hope that people understand the long range impacts that their votes have. I didn't vote along party lines as a Democrat years ago, but since the Bush fiasco have been doing so. The GOP does nothing and will fight any laws that could undo bad decisions made by the Courts. They all need to go!
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:08 am
Petition to boycott the hypocritical Hobby Lobby. They expected 50,000, have 69,736 so far. Hobby Lobby owns stock in companies that deal in birth control - Hobby Lobby is going to be able to change their name to Hobbled Lobby soon, right along with the politicians and Justices. I don't believe in the Supreme Court any more - does this mean it can just go away?
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:31 am
My Dutch newspaper is full of the last three decisions of this SCOTUS and both the 35ft buffer zone and the Hobby Lobby case are interpreted as direct attacks on Obama's ACA. The reports say that what the Republicans can't accomplish with all their Obamacare opposition, the religious organisations can. The Greens had their case brought to the bench by The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty which is financing more cases against Obamacare. With this overly broad decision by SCOTUS the foundation of the ACA, equal healthcare for everyone, is already beginning to crumble.
All this from one Dutch newspaper. If we get this information and understand what is happening, why can't millions of Americans?
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:51 am
Another petition has been posted by Freya which includes a link to the 100 companies who signed on to support Hobby Lobby, etc. at:
Thomas should have recused himself based on conflict of interest given his wife's efforts.
The Women's Health Act is supposed to address the so-called legal flaw that allowed this decision so there is an easy fix it for Congress if they don't have the stomach for the best solution of universal health care yet that eliminates insurance companies and employers from the health care equations.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 9:11 am
"As long as they are sincere." How could anyone with a brain believe that Hobby Lobby is sincerely opposed to simple birth control when as a corporation they INVEST in a maker of actual abortifacients? Not to mention, as Ashley on Care2 says, that so much of their stock is from a country which has forced abortions. Oh, wait. I said anyone "with a brain." Never mind.
I'm quoting the link JL posted on Care2 to a petition which itself links to a list of co-conspirators.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/739002257/3784821 It is not a Care2 petition and you do not have to be a member of anything to sign it, nor to get to the s**t list.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 9:36 am
No one is supposed to know about your medical diagnosis and care unless you voluntarily speak about them.
It's not your boss's business what kind of health care you are receiving.
Your boss can practice his religion on his body not on your body.
If your company pays for health insurance or a portion of it then that's what they pay for - nothing more, nothing less.
Your boss doesn't pay your bills. He doesn't open your mail box. He doesn't write your checks.
Your boss pays your salary or wages. He doesn't live in your house or has no idea what goes on in your bedroom.
SCOTUS is wrong.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 10:40 am
Calling all gals - time to vote Democrat...time for a Progressive House and Senate! It is increasingly obvious that 5 members of the "elite" SCOTUS are crooks, probably getting paid on the side and clearly they are NOT non-partisan! Too much power is being given to this Supreme Court. Alito and Thomas are just to mean to die and go away - maybe there should be some knd of system of checks and balances for this sort of deception.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 10:54 am
There are more ways to get your 'freebies', taxpayers do NOT want to pay for you sex!
The court's conservative bloc based its decision on a 1993 federal law called the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. - Introduced by Chuck Schumer, passed with bipartisan support, signed into law by Bill Clinton.
That measure was passed with strong, bipartisan support and signed into law by then-President Bill Clinton. Liberals and conservatives joined forces after a 1988 Supreme Court decision that upheld the state of Oregon's refusal to give unemployment benefits to two American Indians who were fired from their jobs at a drug rehab clinic after they tested positive for using peyote. They claimed peyote was commonly used for religious purposes.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 11:13 am
I have been researching this since reading Ruth Bader Ginsberg dissenting opinion, and if Obama hadn't done an exception for non profit companies, we wouldn't be discussing this, bad decision on his part, personally I don't believe Churches should get any preferential treatment, and people who work for churches are totally screwed.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 11:17 am
Here's an example of where this may go that is not hypothetical:
When ‘Religious Liberty’ Was Used To Deny All Health Care To Women And Not Just Birth Control
The Hobby Lobby decision can also be seen as a labor decision.
Also, the Court's breezy dismissal of the religious beliefs of others (blood transfusions and vaccinations), ones they do not hold themselves, is ominous.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 12:59 pm
The vast majority of decisions rendered by this court are horrid, this is the rottenest and in truth, most corrupt Court we have ever had - corrupt comes with Thomas and Scalia out there making tons of money advertising how they will vote on various issues. Which encourages suits on those issues. Which makes them corrupt, evil and impeachable in my opinion. If the House truly wants to impeach someone it should be those two fools
That said, they have now committed the unspeakable crime, in my opinion, of allowing religion (and I do not care whose religion or what kind it is) and religious principles to intrude in a law passed by Congress and signed by our President. This is health care period. Religion has NO place in it. Indeed in the past religions who have been found guilty of withholding health care to the detriment of their members have gone to jail for that crime. This is no different, they have just said religion trumps women's rights. And no matter how you slice that, it is wrong, unconstitutional and wrong. We have to create and maintain Democratic majorities in both Houses and hold the Presidency long enough to outlast Scalia and Thomas, Roberts is still young but can be curtailed when Scalia and Thomas are replaced. They can't live forever, the hypocrites. And they have to be replaced with progressive justices as soon as possible. It will probably take their passing to do because neither would resign while there was a chance a Democratic legislative body could replace them. And then begin to undo the unholy hell they have wreaked upon this nation, most notably women but in situations like this we are ALL women. When the rights of half our population are made subject to the religious whims of any invisible deity, we must all fight alongside those most harmed. Once again, that is women. I am so sorry, ladies, that we men are so effing stupid and so intent on subjugating you. I am once again shamed by my gender.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 2:19 pm
Obviously, people need to call out and share which companies do this idiocy, then boycott them. I haven't gone near a Chick-Fil-A since it came out that they donated money to radical right-wing groups. Hit em where they can't take it...in the pocketbook. Also, I wonder if a "Muslim Corporation" can now do certain things to their employees. That would be an interesting story in the Law of (ostensibly) Unintended Consequences.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 2:29 pm
I have signed 4 petitions so far today on this revolting decision.
Hobby Lobby also has stock in the very companies that manufacture said devices they do not want to cover and also stock in companies that manufacture contraceptive pills.....go figure. HYPOCRITES. I could so go there in vile and abusive language for both Hobby Lobby and the Fascist Five SCROTUM HEADS...but......alas this is Care2 and I would be kicked out. So.....use your imaginations as to what wording I would be using......my Jarhead father would be so proud....and embarrassed. :)
And yes....they (FundyFascistBaggerBast*rds el al)....ARE going to pay dearly at the polls.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 2:39 pm
If you haven't read Justice Ginsburg's dissent, at least go to the "condensed" version at Alternet:
The following is an excerpt from an email sent to me by Dr. Gabriela D. Lemus, Executive Director, Progressive Congress.
In Cedric Kushner Promotions, Ltd. v. King, the Supreme Court ruled:
“Incorporation’s basic purpose is to create a legally distinct entity, with legal rights, obligations, powers, and privileges different from those of the natural individuals who created it, who own it, or whom it employs.”
They have obviously forgotten their own prior ruling......
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 3:17 pm
Hobby Lobby's religious beliefs are not Christian, Jewish, Islamic or any other recognised religion. Its "religion" is GREED!
It is past time to overturn Citizens United which starts, or certainly contributes to such assine decisions. There are many good people who work at Hobby Lobby, but maybe it is time for a boycott and a PDA (public display of anger) to reinforce the wrong headedness of this decision.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 3:21 pm
@ James --- The Injustices likely didn't forget it. More correctly, they chose to willfully ignore it. I wonder if such is grounds for having the decision set aside, or at least reviewed with an eye to setting it aside?
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 3:47 pm
Furiously noted! Thanks,TC. SCROTUS is like the KKK, only in black robes without hoods. Impeachment is too good for a few of them...long prison sentences in some medieval dungeon would be fitting, given their mindsets. A dark, damp, dank cell with accompanying shackles, chains, and a few very large, hungry rats...just for effect, mind you...wouldn't want to give the poor creatures a wicked bad case of indigestion! The rats deserve better.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 7:00 pm
I can barely even comment on this issue I'm so angry and not just about BC. The very idea that anyone has the right to tell me what I can and can't do with my life, because it is your LIFE not just your body. Makes my blood boil. I could speak on this issue for hours and never repeat myself on how many ways its discriminatory! I wonder why they didn't sue to avoid paying for coverage of vasectomys? Seems like the same to me! Any man in my life that isn't standing up loudly for women and against any politicians who agree with this ruling will find me very unpleasant to be around!
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:04 pm
"Monday’s opinion was written narrowly so as only to apply to the contraception mandate" - so don't worry, Savanna. Viagra and vasectomies are still covered. Yes, the SCROTUS five will never get hemorrhoids as they are all perfect assholes.
Women, remember - corporations are people who now have more rights than you do. Remember this at election time. You, too, men - they'll come for your rights next.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:39 pm
I don't agree with the decision to allow for an employer to determine what kind of health care coverage they will provide under the Affordable Care Act, and I can just see it when the first Christian Scientist business owner claims that they don't have to provide ANY health insurance because, well, their religion doesn't believe in doctors at all. This is just a can of worms that has been opened with this decision.
Everyone just expects that women's birth control pills should be covered by health insurance but I am wondering this ... are condoms covered? I can see covering the birth control pills if it is for treatment of a medical condition that would be detrimental to health if not prescribed (hormone imbalances, pregnancy that could kill a woman), but birth control in and of itself isn't really a medical condition. There are many ways to prevent pregnancy, and can't people just pay for their own birth control scripts? Surely it isn't that expensive. And if it is, then go the condom route. Why should a health insurance policy cover birth control? Just a thought for some opinions.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 8:55 pm
I totally agree with Lynn. I posted the video on Facebook. I am hopping mad over this decision. I will be "unfriended" by a few tonight and I could care less. This hypocrisy is outrageous. The bottom line for Hobby Lobby is profit, and for Scrotus, it is to destroy the Affordable Care Act. We have to make darn sure the Republicans don't get control of the Senate. If they had spent half as much time on the eoconomy as they have on women's vaginas this country would be on the way back to recovery.
Stars to more than I can count. Very good comments on this subject.
Tuesday July 1, 2014, 9:26 pm
Vivian B... I would heed your advice except i'm in a zero risk demographic. . .however, i was thinking that under the circumstances it may be wise and prudent to get tested for STD's as well. . .given who the ass-ailants are. . .
SupreB.O.D, Inc. = Supreme Board of D's [Dicks, Dunces, Dopes U-name it...] a Hostile Takeover DBA SCOTUS
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 7:13 am
I'm AMAZED that anyone in this country would be SURPRISED by this ruling or any other anti-democratic, Right Wing twisted decision coming out of what is SUPPOSED to be our most trusted and "supposedly" untainted body of government. The disgusting Right Wing puppets sitting on this court are nothing more than political cronies put in place to obstruct the will of the populous at this point. They were most obviously put in place to ensure complete power into the hands of un elected people that a dangerous and corrupt administration wanted to make sure was swayed to protect their own butts. The Republicans continue to lose huge ground with their idiotic agenda and ignorant ideology but they know they have the back-up to shove their all out quest for all out power BS down America's throat with these corrupted and biased people sitting on the bench for who knows how long. There is nothing decent or admirable about SCOTUS anymore. It has been rigged to serve the Right Wing's political agenda until death do us part. All I can say is TERM LIMITS all the way up to SCOTUS. The damage is done but not undo-able. We HAVE TO think about who we vote for that is going to put these people in office since we're doomed with their decisions and "logic" until we can find people to fill these positions that are genuinely interested in interpreting the Constitution and our Laws with Fairness, Decency and KNOWLEDGEABLE INTELLECT for the greater good and will of the people of this country. Hell, these right wing dullard sheep sitting on the bench now can't even interpret their OWN past decisions or remember why or for what reason they made them. The Fake Five are nothing more than bought and paid for henchmen to do the Right's bidding. No one should expect anything different until the balance changes. When you vote remember that who you're voting for will be appointing the NEXT justice for SCOTUS. It DOES MAKE LIFE AND DEATH DIFFERENCES for our people.
Remove Republican/Tea Party = 2014 to begin to regain sanity in America.
Wednesday July 2, 2014, 7:58 am
Arielle, i am going to check out that petition.
Ashley, and so many others with great points!
Judi, Thomas would not even think of recusing himself, that would only come from a sense of ethics, and this ass clearly has none!