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The Deal


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: budget, DACA, dreamers, government shutdown )

TomCat
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TomCat S (129)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 12:51 pm
Obviously, there is one thing about the deal that I don’t like. It does not extend protection for the DREAMers. I have no doubt that the deal will pass the Senate, because Bought Bitch Mitch (R-KY) appears to be keeping his word and has scheduled Immigration for next week. I believe he will, so I have no problem with Senators who vote for it. Paul Lyin’ Ryan (R-WI) has also committed that he will put a bill on the House floor to extend protection for DREAMers, and there’s the rub. We don’t call him Lyin’ Ryan for nothing.
 

Joanne Dixon (38)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 1:11 pm
I think we are seeing some theater and some gambling.  

I have to gasp in admiration at Nancy Pelosi, who at 77, and in four inch heels, just gave THE LONGEST speech ever heard in the House in support of Dreamers.  I am 72 and can'r even stand up in 2" heels without falling, and could never stand for 8 hours even in flat shoes or no shoes.  I think she knows that Lyin' Ryan is in a position to, and will, make sure that no legislation favoring Dreamers even sees a vote (unless he also knows it will be overwhelmingly defeated), and she wants to call attention to the fact that IT IS NOT THE DEMOCRATS WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE.  I think this is magnificent theater (and I do NOT mean by that to iply she is insincere, just that it's a theatrical presentation of the truth).

Meanwhile, back in the Senate, Schumer's agreement to "The Deal" gives away a lot of potential Democratic leverage for just about two years.  I think he is gambling on Democrats gaining seats in both houses to give that leverage back again.

Really, as screwed as we are by the balance of power in Congress, I don't see what chances there are for us except through theater and through gambling.  While not crazy about the deal, I think both minority leaders are doing the best they can.

I would be happier if Pelosi's amazing feat were to get more attention, though.

RESIST ANT PERSIST!
 

Leo Custer (315)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 1:21 pm
Thank you for sharing!
 

David C (131)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 1:48 pm
thanks, well said
 

Pat B (356)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 1:55 pm
Kudos and Respect!! to Ms. Pelosi, to which I tuned in to, every now and then yesterday. She spoke over 8 hours for OUR Dreamers!! WOW!!!

Thanks, Tom for getting this out here, I'll read later.
 

Freya H (357)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 3:21 pm
What we really need is a lot less "defense" spending!
 

Colleen L (3)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 4:25 pm
I too say bravo to Nancy Pelosi. More needs to be done for these dreamers. Thanks TomCat
 

Winn A (179)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 4:57 pm
Thanks
 

Mitchell D (87)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 4:58 pm
This is the first I heard of Pelosi’s speech, and she has just moved up, a bit, in my estimation. I still recall her giving G.W.Bus**t “carte blanche,” in Iraq!
Real live theater is interesting, but we will have to just be patient, and see how things play out. Grab ’em by the midterms!!!!!!!!!!
 

Nita L (120)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 5:18 pm
I agree, this bill sounds pretty good. I wish more could be done but we have to remember that we have to play nice with the republicans. I do hope Ryan keeps his word but I don't trust him for a second.
Pelosi was great yesterday. I too feel a little better about her now.
Business Insider article shared
Thank you TomCat.
 

Glennis W (403)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 5:20 pm
Very interesting great comments Thank you for caring and sharing TomCat
 

Ted W (127)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 5:54 pm
Noted, forwarded and shared ultra-liberally across four networks!!RESIST!!Many thanks for posting, TomCat!!
 

Vivian B (169)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 7:43 pm
Good post, TC. I'll try later. My fever addled brain is not picking up everything.
 

Animae C (513)
Thursday February 8, 2018, 11:22 pm
Freya's petition already signed.

TY TC
 

Lona G (80)
Friday February 9, 2018, 4:19 am
I agree with Freya, more room for spending on the military than for anything else (as I read it) is not the way to go, not with a Commander-in-Chief dead set on creating the largest nuclear arsenal in the world for the USA. But there are no provisions for The Wall, and immigration isn’t mentioned at all (DREAMers yet to be debated), so now both Senate and House have passed this bill the question remains what Drumpf is going to do.

Drumpf has now got his military spending, which comes at a very convenient time now the war in Iraq is blowing up again, and provisions for the Republican new Tax Law which he will sell as his own to his buddy billionaires, but he hasn’t got anything on immigration to satisfy his hard core. Let’s see what he does.

On debating the DREAMers in the House, this is what the New Your Time had to say on the reopening of the government: "House Passes Budget Deal to Raise Spending and Reopen Government
The House gave final approval early Friday to a far-reaching budget deal that will reopen the federal government and boost spending by hundreds of billions of dollars, hours after a one-man blockade by Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky delayed the votes and forced the government to close.
House Democrats, after threatening to bring the bill down because it did nothing to protect young undocumented immigrants, gave Speaker Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin the votes he did not have in his own party and ensured passage. In the end, 73 House Democrats voted yes to more than offset the 67 Republicans who voted no.
Just before the vote, Mr. Ryan voiced support for bringing a debate on immigration to the House floor — though he did not make a concrete promise, as Democratic leaders had wanted."
All on-man-blockade Ryan did was voice support for bringing a debate to the floor, and the Democrats believed him and helped to pass the bill. Trust Ryan on something he’s not even committed himself to?! Let’s hope it’ll not come back to haunt the Democrats right until November.
 

Gene J (290)
Friday February 9, 2018, 5:02 am
I am disappointed that this does not include protections for the Dreamers, protection which Trump unilaterally and against all advice, ended himself. Will he sign it without the funding for his wall? I have not always been a Pelosi fan but she won some grudging respect from me for her stance throughout this debacle.

It is almost amusing that, once again, the Republicans have proven they are best suited for the back benches as with majorities in BOTH Houses AND the Presidency, they still cannot govern. Their fiscal principles fly out the window when they are in control, they only whine about them when they are in the minority, where they ought be permanently.

Whenever a bill this big gets pushed through this fast, no one has really read it all, and there are lobbyist fingerprints (and margin notes) all over it. So there will be surprises and things missed. Plenty to argue about - moving the discussion on the debt limit to next March when the legislature will be composed of many new people is sneaky and more than a bit disingenuous - I think the republicans fear they will BE on the back bench then and can rail against raising the limit with impunity. In a year's time, I think we have a different president and the Mueller investigation will have moved into the legal system.

I do not think this news is what brings the market back. I still think the possibility of crash similar to 1929 is virtually inevitable, because of the tax scam bill, not the budget. The tax scam bill will not produce what the republicans promised, it never does, trickle down economics is a flat out lie. What most companies have done is NOT what was predicted. There are one time $1000 bonuses (graduated for most people), no permanent wage increases, though the enormous tax cuts continue for businesses in perpetuity, those for individuals expire in 2025 by which time the middle class will be paying more than now and the upper 10% less. This is what will bring the market to its knees. As it always has. That affects not only America but the world. Although the news yesterday that EU countries will not negotiate separate contracts for trade with anyone, including the US also does not bode well for our economy. Trump's Con Art of the Deal is useless in the face of that reality. There are still dark and dangerous seas ahead. And the Dreamers are still on a life raft.
 

Katie and Bill D (107)
Friday February 9, 2018, 8:45 am
Anyone ever thought of the waste when the food was ever delivered to Puerto Rico and the Tarps and sheets o plastic that never got there? This was Billions too! Who got it and what happened?
They still a- wait help!
The food lady was fired and told not to send another meal for Fema!
Such waste!
RESIST
Thank you TomCat


 

Richard A (2)
Friday February 9, 2018, 9:30 am
So much is not known about what was just signed into law. Agreeing with Gene J, about "lobbyist fingerprints (and margin notes) all over it," we will probably be discovering more damage for days or weeks to come, depending on what other distractions the pretender-in-chief comes up with.
 

TomCat S (129)
Friday February 9, 2018, 1:23 pm
Thanks all. Hugs!

It’s not that Democrats trusted Ryan.  They pretend to trust him, because they know they can’t get what they want and will lose all the concessions that they did get.  Having no power sucks! :-(

 

Lynn Squance (235)
Friday February 9, 2018, 1:26 pm
I read this article yesterday but really needed to think on it. I don’t trust McTurtle or Lyin’ Ryan to bring the DACA up, so we wait another 6 weeks. Neither can be trusted and they have proven this true in the past. I do like that CHIP has funding for another 10 years, but I do not like the bloated military budget.

I guess we will have to wait and see just what happens.

Resist, Persist, Remove!!!

Silence is Consent!!!
 

John B (185)
Friday February 9, 2018, 4:13 pm
Thanks TomCat.
 

TomCat S (129)
Saturday February 10, 2018, 1:15 pm
TYVM!
 
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