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For Women, Pride and Anger in Hillary's White House Bid


US Politics & Gov't  (tags: USA, Hillary Clinton, democratic presidential campaign, women, pride, anger, women's opinions, strong women, successful women, mental physical stability, feminism, US backwards nation, women leaders worldwide, intelluctual strength )

K. A.
- 2275 days ago - monstersandcritics.com
supporters believe she's losing because of sex discrimination, others are proud that, for the first time in US history, a woman has shown the mental and physical grit to endure such a long and grueling contest.



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K. A. Hilliker (293)
Tuesday May 27, 2008, 3:27 am
The US is a backward nation. Israel, Germany, Britain, India, the Philippines, Liberia, Chile, Argentina, all have had female leaders. It's ironic that the United States - home of feminism - has never had one. Even Obama has acknowledges her contribution, saying she's made it more possible for his two young daughters to aspire to great things.

'Senator Clinton has shown she has the mental, physical and intellectual strength and stamina to be commander-in-chief,' said Lesley Stahl, a CBS correspondent and co-founder of The Women on the Web (wowowow.com), in recent remarks on CNN. 'It's an unbelievably huge gigantic leap forward for women.'

That sort of trail-blazing ambition has kept Clinton in the race at all costs, even of her personal fortune, and made her ignore calls by party insiders to step aside.

The longer Clinton stays in the race, 'the longer she shows her power,' quipped columnist and talk show host Liz Smith on CNN recently. 'She'll be one of the most formidable figures in the United States.'



 

Marcy S. (73)
Tuesday May 27, 2008, 5:48 am
She already lost... great.
 

Nancy M. (201)
Tuesday May 27, 2008, 9:35 am
Just because you vote for someone other than Hillary does not mean that you are discriminating based on gender, any more than voting for someone other than Obama would be a sign of race discrimination or voting for someone other than McCain is a sign of age discrimination. Don't make this more than it is.
 

Sandra D. (2)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 3:33 am
Frankly, I can't believe McCain, Obama and Clinton are the three best candidates the Republican and Democratic parties could have come up with for the U.S. presidency. No wonder people don't vote.
 

Cliff Z. (1)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 4:19 am
Just to respond to Kactus Kat. The US might be a backward nation because it has never had a woman president, but dont you think if mrs.Clinton just pulls out of the race and supports Obama the US will become a nation far ahead of those you have singled out as ahead of the "backward" US. Wont the US become the first developed country to have a Black president?? Isnt that better than just having a woman president, something that has happened already in many countries?? I think if history books are to be written in the US, more will be written about the first Black president than the first woman president (who has already been a resident of the white house).
 

Ray Paroz (3)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:20 am
The question of a woman in the Oval Office is fantastic and it is high time there was one. Just not Hillary Clinton. There is just too much scandal surrounding her and her megalomaniac (power at all costs) character that troubles the world. Obama seems to be the best candidate so far, but as "Sandra Dollar" says, surely there are more suited men or women in the US that can do the job and do it well. The problem is that in the US - HE/SHE who has the mighty dollars - gets into the race. It ios nothing more than that. Once that is achieved, then it is HE/SHE who pulls of the greatest show. The crunch ciomes when the winner has to deliver on promises .... and that is where everything falls apart !!! But this is a classic dilema - only the US does this while hanging its dirty laundry in Public. Other countries tend to be more discreet.
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:32 am

This concerns me. Although I am a woman, I could not vote for Hillary. Because I won't vote for Obama, that does not make me a racist. Voting for McCain is something I wouldn't even consider mainly because of his position on the war in Iraq and Afghanistan, but for other reasons too.

There is an option, and he is Ron Paul. He is a republican who is also a Presidential candidate and I will be voting for him even if I have to write it in!

From Revolution: A Manifesto a book by Ron Paul, he states:

"With national bankruptcy looming, politicians from both parties continue to make multitrillion-dollar promises of "free" goods from the government, and hardly a soul wonders if we can still afford to have troops in - this is not a misprint - 130 countries around the world. All of this is going to come to an end sooner or later, because financial reality is going to make itself felt in very uncomfortable ways. But instead of thinking about what this means for how we conduct our foreign and domestic affairs, our chattering classes seem incapable of speaking in anything but the emptiest platitudes, when they can be bothered to address serious issues at all. Fundamental questions like this, and countless others besides, are off the table in our mainstream media, which focuses our attention on trivialities and phony debates as we march toward oblivion."

 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:33 am
I agree with Ray Paroz' comment. And I would ask how significant any presidential victory can be when 50% of those eligible to vote do not do so.

Having half of the electorate not participating means that whoever the elected leader is, he is not really representative of the majority.
 

Stephen Hannon (203)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:48 am
The American people have spoken and they don't want Hillary Clinton as our next president. This has nothing to do with discrimination for if it did then every woman in America would vote for her and not Obama. There are many women who just don't like the Cinton's and that's the bottom line.

She can complain all she wants but it isn't going to do her any good, in addition I don't like the game of playing the politics of fear. "Who do you want answering the phone at 3:00am, is a page right out of the Rove dirty politics book on how to smear a Democrat. Hillary was the first one to go negative on Obama because whe was not winning. Has anyone asked the question why so many people in her campaign have left her and went over to Obama? Something is going on that we aren't being told about for so many big supporters to leave her campaign and sign on with Obama. Plus she's nearly $20 million in debt, and is having a very hard time raising money. Every political analyst is saying she needs to quit while she's ahead and support Obama. There is no way she will win the nomination even if Florida and Michigan are included. And Obama was not even on the ballot in Michigan which would give Clinton and unfair advantage over Obama. If the situation was reversed she'd be screaming at the top of her lungs. Simply put America does not want Hillary Clinton for President!!
 

Billye Thompson (386)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 6:35 am

Stephen what do you mean the "American people have spoken and they don't want Hillary Clinton as our next president???" I beg your pardon but more than half the people HAVE spoken and they DO want Hillary!!!! You are like so many other Obama supporters and you're living in your own little world!!!

MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DO WANT HILLARY!!!!!!!! AND WE HAVE SAID IT LOUD AND CLEAR AND WE ARE STILL SAYING IT!!!!!!
 

Billye Thompson (386)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 6:47 am

Ray, unfortunately THOSE women are not running for office. But we DO have Hillary!! Yes she may be a controversial figure, but I feel that it's inescapable to be in a public office of any kind and not be a 'controversial figure" to someone.

Also, regardless if people think none of the three are good choices, these ARE what we have. It is our duty as citizens to choose one of them now, and one in the final election.

Cliff, your post is so sexist AND racist that I can't even begin to comment on it. Maybe you should re-read what you wrote one more time.
 

Marcy S. (73)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 8:26 am
MILLIONS OF PEOPLE DON'T WANT HILLARY OR OBAMA OR MCCAIN...
GET CONSCIOUS... MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WANT RON PAUL!
 

Rachel D. (57)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 10:00 am
I didn't vote for her, and I think the sexism claims have been overstated. But - I have to give her credit for being the first major female presidential candidate, making it easier for the next woman who comes along.
 

Mike Tedesco (65)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 10:08 am

- this isn't a gender thing, or a race thing, or a gay thing, or a liar thing, or a
CFR thing, or a religion thing, or a NWO thing, or a corruption thing,

which Hilary, seems to have involvement with all.
....the woman, is just an evil loser,.. the perfect president.. for all you sheeple!

 

Blue Bunting (855)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 10:12 am
If you give her every benefit of the doubt (re: RFK assassination comments), you still have Hillary Clinton, a candidate making a tasteless and purely self-serving comment that she should have understood would send a shiver of dread through millions.

Very, very poor judgment.
 

Shannon B. (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 3:08 pm
Much agrred with several of you - whoever has the money gets pushed to the front and any other more qualified people of lesser means and influence will never be heard from. None of these candidates is the right person to speak for the American people. They all report to political friends and lobbyists. They certainly do not represent my beliefs and interests.
 

Sheri Drips (0)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 3:35 pm
I couldn't agree more with Billye - to say that the people don't want Hillary is untrue. Millions upon Millsions have voted for her and continue to vote for her. Very astute comment, as well, to note that once a figure is in politics, controversy is inescapable. Just wait until they tear apart Obama and the associations he has had for so long. (You Obama supporters know who I mean and you surely don't think he's going to escape it?) At any rate, people should be outraged at the manipulation of the party and the media over what has occurred here.

As for the Bobby Kennedy assassination remark, I find it interesting that Obama supporters did not find it offensive when Hillary did an interview with Time Magazine and said the same thing. Any answers to that, Obama supporters? George Stephanopoulos noted on T.V. that a member of Obama's staff sent to the media on Saturday "a searing commentary" from MSNBC's Keith Olbermann - so the campaign set the wheels in motion on the issue. (You can find this info at CNN.) I guess it's all just politics, eh?

As for blue remark above, I also find it interesting that not one member of the Kennedy family has found the remark offensive - in fact, just the opposite. You can Google Bobby Kennedy, Jr's. remarks as well as a cousin who commented on it.
 

Darlene K. (367)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:28 pm
Many of us want HILLARY, even if we have to WRITE HER IN. Noted and thank you Billye. You rock...Much Love and Peace...Namaste, Dar
 

Darlene K. (367)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 5:29 pm
Thank you Kathy ((big huggs))
 

Mary Jane K. (13)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 6:05 pm
I think this is too funny men from Belgium and Switzerland are telling us that we don't know a qualified woman when we see one. rofl
 

Lori S. (16)
Wednesday May 28, 2008, 10:00 pm
Love the article Kactus!
I equally love the comments posted - it's always interesting what people are saying, whether I agree or not. Respecting others opinions, having a healthy debate and even agreeing to disagree - is a great reflection on a person and where they live - but comments that come across as dismissive or patronizing or even dare I say, elitest are discouraging.
"I believe in treating others with trust and respect. I believe that everyone has something to contribute." - this is borrowed off Mary J.'s page - so a big Thank you to Mary J.
My love to all of you, sincerely!
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (79)
Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:53 am
I'm a woman and I don't feel that any of the causes which are important to me are represented or defended by H. Clinton ! Clinton defends Clinton, not how she can improve our country. She is the one with the corporate connections, she is the one who will be defending them and not the people.

Don't let anyone forget that Bill made the US safe for Monsanto (taking up where Reagan & Bush Sr left off) and she has as yet to address this poisonous legacy.

She certainly does not make me proud to be a woman. But Obama makes me proud to a human being.

As for Sheri Drips' comment: What do you mean, 'just wait until they tear apart Obama '? It's already started, where have you been ? Between Clinton and Fox, the ringleaders, there's nothing left for McCain to come at him with !

Just for starters:
-"Osama" said instead of "Obama," when refering to Sen Obama;
-"knoch 'em both off";
-heavy stress on the middle name (Hussein);
-the "extremist" Reverend's remarks blown all out of proportion;
-Michelle Obama's supposed hatred of America !

The American people may not have spoken, but the American people of Democratic Party have - and they don't want Hillary Clinton.

As Stephen said up there, her advertisements and general tactics are 'right out of the Rove dirty politics book on how to smear a Democrat. Hillary was the first one to go negative on Obama' and she took the campaign to spiraling lows in taste and tactics !
 

K. A. Hilliker (293)
Thursday May 29, 2008, 6:32 pm
Another comment I'm going to make here is that I'm more than sick of the men in this country saying...I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a woman president - just not HILLARY CLINTON. I'm not sure who you're voting for, but gosh, I certainly hope you feel the same way about the man you're voting for. I'd LOVE LOVE LOVE to have a MAN president - just not Obama or McCain.

Do you REALLY think for a second you don't sound completely hypocritic in your comments? I do. There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of other men and women who could be running for the presidency, but we're actually pretty much STUCK with these 3. I think you'd be better off discussing some of their experience in dealing with the issues before us, than worrying about what SEX they are.....you know, just in case ANOTHER woman (or man) decided to step in at the last minute and run away with the job!
 

Lori S. (16)
Thursday May 29, 2008, 9:10 pm
For the record, I truly appreciate EVERYONES opinions and comments, no matter their gender, race, location, religon etc. - everyone has a right, as I said, weather I agree or not. Just as long as their is no name calling, as long as they are not condescending, as long as they have some substance, and as long they aren't based on rumors or innuendo.
I too would love to be a part of voting a woman into office, but I am not quite so sure about Hillary. Don't get me wrong, I have watched her for many many years, and I defintely have a respect for her in so many ways. But, watching Obama for about a year, I must say he is impressing me too. I have been trying to match up their words with their actions because thats where you can usually find a little truth in them. McCain - forget it - I have been looking at his voting records and his past and his talking and he totally lost me (though I thought he definately was the best Republican candidate in the beginning). But now Mr. McCain has done a complete turn around from say about 6 years ago till about 1 or 2 years ago.
Anyway, may we all love one another, and spread that love around. Sending best wishes to you all.
 

Rhiannon Myst (602)
Saturday May 31, 2008, 12:06 am
Npted tjx
 

Esther S. (45)
Saturday May 31, 2008, 6:52 am
I read many of these comments and I must respond. First of all I am not just supporting Hillary Clinton for President because she is a woman. I had an open mind and considered all of the candidates and I came to the conclusion that she was the most qualified of all of them. I do know that she was a part of the Clinton administration. Bill Clinton had said buy one get one free before he ran the first time and that administration was one of the best administrations in my lifetime. We had a great economy, a large number of good jobs were created, they finally got rid of the deficit, most people around the world liked and respected us,etc.
She showed her interest in politics and in helping people for many years even before she met Bill.
She had served a full term as a Senator and was reelected by a large margin. She even got the votes of a lot of Republicans in N.Y.
Hillary has also given specific details on the important issues facing our country. She doesn't just say she will make changes. She gives specifics. Hillary is the only one of the 3 main candidates who has said that there needs to be an investigation as to whether there is a deliberate manipulation of the price of oil similar to what was done by Enron which caused the price of electricity to skyrocket in California. I will remind you that an executive of Exxon testified under oath in April that if supply and demand was determining the price of oil, the price of a barrel of oil would be $50 to $55.
Hillary understands that everything is not one way or another. In other words it is not a choice between rushing to war or just ignoring anything that happens outside of our country which could lead to bigger problems for our country in the future. The President must carry the stick in order to be able to negotiate with our enemies.
Finally, I am sick of reading the accusation that she is running for President because she wants the power. Considering what Hillary and Bill Clinton went through when he was President and how they were treated, I don't think she sees the Presidency as a powerful position.
 

Timothy Brown (1)
Saturday May 31, 2008, 12:33 pm
I am a Hillary supporter but I firmly believe that both she and Obama are strong candidates and each would make a good president. I am a feminist but I also am a strong civil rights advocate and firmly believe in equality race as much as I do gender. The polarization suprises me because they take so many similar stands on the issues. I easily appreciate people liking one over the other, perhaps based on personality
or a feeling of connectedness, but not to the point where you cannot appreciate the other. I support Hillary because I believe she has more experience and could accomplish more in those important firt one hundred days. If she is not chosen to represent the democratic party I shall congratulate her on a hard fought and thankless campaign and then support Senator Barrack Obama as the next president. I invite other Hillary supporters to do the same if it comes to that. And by the same token, Hillary will welcome Obama supporters--I'm sure with his full encouragement--if Senator Clinton prevails in the end. Please do not let us split the party and let us get this country out of the quagmire it has sunk into.
 
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