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Pagan Graves in the Vatican Basement


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Robbi
- 2930 days ago - msnbc.msn.com
ust inside the Vatican's fortified walls, directly below the street connecting its private pharmacy and its members-only supermarket, lies a 2,000-year-old graveyard littered with displays of pagan worship.



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Rebecca M. (77)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 12:01 pm
It is a testament to WHERE the burial ground was found that it is termed in the article as Bizarre and often disturbing.. How utterly and completely typical.
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 12:44 pm
iI posted this days ago, with pic, what got me, which I left comments on was making parking lots etc, & destory what I have no doubt the Vatican knows, t heir vaults & caticombs hold many secrets THEY DON;T WANT OUT, Also in mine reincarnation (kept out of the bible they tried) etc.
http://www.care2.com/news/member/956805373/195935
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 12:46 pm
k this one abit difereent, the one I posted made small reference. The first pope is supposed to be buried there, and this woulod mean of course pagen vaults etc. at thhat time period, this just before Alexander the Great
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 12:47 pm
I mean after Alexander the Great
 

Ruth T. (257)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 12:59 pm
As a practicing Pagan, I find it quite insulting that the burial practices of the ancients are described by your reporter as "bizarre" and "disturbing". It is far less disturbing to me to contemplate the burial practices of any culture than to contemplate the brutal way many Pagans were "converted" at sword point. Shame on you for vilifying a peace-loving, tolerant culture for the shock value to modern-day Christians.
 

Cheryl Benson (390)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 1:06 pm
what do u expect, unfortuately of most reporters reporting for/of he VATICAN, not that is is right, I just not surprised
 

Jessica S. (178)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 3:58 pm
My local art museum has a sarchophagus almost exactly like the one in the photograph in its permanent collection. (In fact, the general subject matter and iconography was quite common in 3rd century sarcophagi. See http://tinyurl.com/yf9uho for another similarity.) Newsweek's caption stated that the Vatican believes the woman buried in it had converted to Christianity. However, its iconography can also be seen as Roman Pagan. The "angels" flanking each side of the cartouche were seen in Pagan Rome as personifications of winter and spirits that carried souls into the underworld. They look over their shoulders to commemorate the mortal life of the deceased. Below the cartouche are Tellus (aka Mother Earth) and Oceanus (her male counterpart). The putto between them is probably their offspring. On side perpendicular to the fašade is a griffin, a protection symbol associated with Apollo and the gold mines of Sisyphus. Unless the deceased's family was using syncretic forms on her sarcophagus, she was Pagan. Why can't the Vatican just accept that?
 

Robbi D. (140)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 7:40 pm
I agree with all of your commentary.. The burial site must serve as an unwelcome reminder, particularly with the egg, symbolic of our Yostre, their Easter.. among other aspects, that we were in fact here long prior to the Vatican, and would be still were it not for the bloody conversion of so many.
How sad that history has to be defended by the use of such terms as bizarre and unsettling.. disturbing it is, but not I think for the reasons they wish it was.
 

Gwen H. (66)
Sunday October 15, 2006, 11:23 pm
My question is...So what? I really don't get the point of the story. What lies beneth your house. Do you know?
 

Katrianne W. (56)
Monday October 16, 2006, 1:04 am
I find it less surprising that they found a pagan burial site beneath the Vatican than I do that they were willing to desecrate the burial site, after they found it, just to build a parking lot. I don't like to knock other peoples religions but, that just seem sleazy.

"After local residents complained that dump trucks leaving the site were carrying tombstones and other seemingly important archaeological debris, the Vatican admitted uncovering what was believed to be an ancient Roman burial ground."
 

Ketutar J. (275)
Monday October 16, 2006, 2:48 am
Very uncomfortable...

They discovered a grave yard with tombstones and all while they were making a parking lot (or before it, as Katrianne says... even worse) and didn't even stop the work until the people outside Vatican started wonder...

Now the PAGAN worship is called "bizarre and disturbing"! We don't even know what the feck the Vatican's workers did down there? It wouldn't be the first time the Christian have spoiled Pagan things - ancient or new.

Also, they admit that they know that there's a LOT of things under Vatican, but because it's under a pharmacy and a crocery store, so they won't "dislocate modern convenients" to show what there is...

Yeah, sure... When in Jerusalem a museum is build on an old parking lot build on an old graveyard, all start screaming about disturbing the graveyard... but when in Vatican they build a parking lot on an old graveyard, no-one says a word... Interesting world we live in. *sardonic*

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Robbi D. (140)
Monday October 16, 2006, 7:17 am
Gwen I guess the so what of it isn't whats in the basement, its the trying to hide it.. and pretending it doesn't exist..and when it is seen by the public.. calling it things like bizarre and disturbing.. those of us who don't follow the mainstream religions find that upsetting.. Not to mention if the reverse were true. and we found a graveyard beneath our own home, and desecrated it, do you believe that would be acceptable?
 

Gwen H. (66)
Monday October 16, 2006, 7:39 am
But we do that all the time. Cities are built over cemetaries Highways rip up Indian Mounds. I can see the wrong of destroying the artifacts, and thngs of historical value. Other than that, I think we are all too earth-bound. When you die, you simply are not here any longer in any physical sense. I believe the spirit goes on and where your body lies, or your ashes are scattered is unimportant. A headstone stone has nothing to do with who you really were. I don't think I'm coming thru like I intend to. I don't go about tipping headstones...I guess what I feel is this is just another attack on the Vatican simply because it's the Vatican. I was always taught to live and let live, respect other religions, and mind your own business. If this is in the basement of the Vatican, then what businness is it of other people what they do with it?
 

Gwen H. (66)
Monday October 16, 2006, 7:40 am
I think it is mush more notable that Saddam was acquited.
 

Gwen H. (66)
Monday October 16, 2006, 7:41 am
I think it is much more mewsworthy that Saddam was acquitted.
 

Robbi D. (140)
Monday October 16, 2006, 12:04 pm
I believe in the live and let live.. but I also believe that one does not cover up the existence of another civilization.. the fact that these graves were hidden until the workmen complained that they were being destroyed arbitrarily says something that isn't too positive don't you think??
WHy not let those who are not catholic have their history, rather than try to hide and destroy evidence of it?
I am not a radical militant pagan, or even a mlitant native american.. I do believe that all civilizations have their right to their history.. as to Saddam.. was there
 

Robbi D. (140)
Monday October 16, 2006, 12:05 pm
ever any doubt that people would be too afraid to convict him of the crimes that he admits rather openly.. ALl thats missing is his triumpahnt return to power.. the UN for all its blustering will not see him convicted of crimes, I would bet.. regardless of the fact that he, and Amnesty say he has killed or had killed about a quarter of a million of his own people..
ITs infuriating.. but.. we didn't get a vote..
 

Elizabeth Aldam (278)
Tuesday October 17, 2006, 5:47 pm
I just don`t like the Vatican...I never did!
 

Emily MoonPeeker (341)
Wednesday October 18, 2006, 8:22 pm
The bias of the article is disturbing as is the happening itself. I am Pagan, and honestly I think our modern-day burial practices are much more "bizarre" & "disturbing." It also bothers me when "Pagan" is bandied about as if it is a dirty word...how about some religious tolerance here?
 

Yvonne White (232)
Friday October 20, 2006, 6:54 pm
Of course any cemetery Older than the Vatican would be Pagan. The Reporter shows her ignorance in archaeology in the way she reports it. Luckily Pope John Paul II had commissioned the museum & the staff archaeologists insisted his wishs be done, or the new Pope would have allowed it all to be "disappeared"!
 

Ed Stewart (75)
Monday October 30, 2006, 3:24 pm
I agree the word Pagan is not a dirty word, But if all the truth was out on what the vatician has hidden away, it would probably wreck the christian beliefs. I have read about many things that have been recovered that then just disappears so the proof is hidden.
 

Jennifer Scelsi (17)
Thursday December 7, 2006, 8:06 pm
OMG!!! what is wrong with people now a days i agree with everyone else on this how low can people get, its sad and disturbind to hear about something like this though im not suprised they would we have had enough of their abuse they need to leave us be get off of our backs im a practicing pagan as well though it does not suprise me how ever it does disturb me deeply
 

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Friday November 9, 2007, 6:08 am
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