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Marie
- 161 days ago - secure.avaaz.org
As a community comprised of members actively using the tools provided by this site to accomplish needed improvements to various aspects of all life (animal, human, environmental), we, the undersigned, are hereby petitioning Care2 itself to strongly con



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Marie H. (167)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:22 pm
Thanks Monica!! XxX
 

Kathy B. (98)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:29 pm
Nicely done, thanks to whoever thought this up and carried it thru!
 

Mary T. (269)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:31 pm
Thank you Marie - signed, noted and shared
 

jess b (22)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:56 pm
Thanks to all and Marie. Signed.
 

Marie H. (167)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:57 pm
Sooo signed!!!

Thanks M xxx
 

Gysele van Santen (207)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 8:59 pm
signed.
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (260)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 9:02 pm
sooo signed THANKS
 

Kathnomail R. (203)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 9:13 pm
Signed, Thanks Marie
 

Just Carole (341)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 9:42 pm

Noted and signed!

 

David C. (25)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 9:48 pm
> certain member-started groups (one with over 2,000 members)
- which were these (was this) ??
 

Jason B. (139)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 10:28 pm
Thanks, Signed
 

Monika V. (399)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 10:40 pm
Signed, noted shared!
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 11:05 pm
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.
 

Kelly Rogers (288)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 11:27 pm
Samir, you are above me. TY, TY TY for bringing this to us. NOW, the major thing is, WILL THEY LISTEN???????????????
 

boyd hore (28)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 11:38 pm
signed.
 

Concerned Community (0)
Thursday January 30, 2014, 11:54 pm
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." Benjamin Franklin
 

Dogan Ozkan (5)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:09 am
noted and signed
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:21 am
N&S&S. 50 signatures so far...
 

Inge Bjorkman (124)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:43 am
Signed

Love
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:57 am
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:15 am
Shared this too
 

Michael Carney (206)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:23 am
Noted, and signed...
 

BMutiny TCorporationsEvil (466)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:42 am
Signed.
 

Floodedarea Please Help (220)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:55 am
Done.
Thank you, Marie & Apolonia!
 

Barbara V. (160)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:20 am
Signed & Noted, Thank you
 

John Y. (79)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:28 am
Signed. Thank you Marie
 

A F. (128)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:46 am
done thanks
 

John Holton (355)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:14 am
S and N
 

Vivien Green (150)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:28 am
Signed and shared
 

Alexandra G. (210)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:40 am
noted and signed, thanks
 

PrimaSICK B. (1278)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:51 am
Signed.
TY Marie !
 

David King (3143)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:54 am
Very well done!!!
.
Signed...

Have a great day!
-Daivid
 

Lenicka R. (64)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:35 am
A very well formulated petition.
Thank you.
 

MarilynBusy WITHCHARITIES (258)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:39 am
signed!
EXCELLENT!!! It would be so amazing if they actually take heed!....and they SHOULD!
 

June M. (96)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:40 am
noted/signed with 99signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Patricia Losch (246)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:24 am
Signed
 

Ed V. (160)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:31 am
S&N, Thanks
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:37 am
9 seconds ago Abdessalam Diab, Egypt

noted as well. Thanks Jess for the forward. Green star Marie
 

kate k g (461)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:42 am
Noted and signed thank you Marie
 

Roshani S. (79)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:48 am
Signed! Thanks sister Rose for sharing in FB. :)
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:15 am
Have already received this earlier and signed. Sincere thanks to " CC froggy" for this excellently written petition and to both the "Ms" here!
 

Artur Bodenmueller (95)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:20 am
Wie in der Piratenpartei die tun auch so als wären sie menschlich demokratisch, aber die sind nicht besser als die selbst ernannten Elitennullen. Und das hier geht anscheinend auch so ab, wenn da einer die Macht hast jemand anderen zu kontrolieren und abzuwürgen dann tut der das auch. Ohne innere Disziplin nur sein eigenes Ego befriedigend
 

Stephen Hill (651)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:33 am
With pleasure signed and noted
 

Barbara D. (109)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:45 am
NS&S. 128 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Abo r. (97)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:48 am
signed and noted ,Thanks Jess for the forward AND Marie for posting
 

Paulo Sisinno (144)
Friday January 31, 2014, 7:57 am
Signed. Well thought, congrats
 

Lona Goudswaard (67)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:07 am
Excellent petition. Signed and noted
 

Candy H. (6)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:28 am
noted & signed.
 

Pamela W. (75)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:31 am
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.
Noted and Signed ........ 140 so far ...... circulate and watch the numbers grow !!!!
Thanks to Author and to those who forwarded to me !!
 

Shelli S. (317)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:32 am
Signed & Noted-Thanx Marie
 

Barbara F. (82)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:44 am
Signed & Noted & shared! Thanks Apolonia!
 

Penny C. (79)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:44 am
Done.
 

Laetitia SCHARTNER (176)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:06 am
signed, TY
 

Ana MESNER (165)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:07 am
Signed
 

Terrie Williams (760)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:38 am
just now Terrie Williams, United States of America SSN
 

Sherri Martin (150)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:55 am
Noted, Signed and Shared to Facebook
 

Melissa W. (243)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:01 am
Nted & Signed
 

PennyAWAY M. (124)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:01 am
Noted and signed, thanks Marie.
 

KAREN G. (225)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:03 am
S&N TY
 

Lynn Squance (224)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:07 am
signed with hope
 

milca V. (75)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:08 am
Noted n signed!
 

Lynn Juozilaitis (141)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:15 am
Signed & Noted Thank you Marie & Marga for the forward!
 

Birgitta S. (221)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:17 am
done already = tein jo. TY Marie & Marga~~
 

Kerstin Strobl (326)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:32 am
signed
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:43 am
Thank you so much, Marie.
This is Zen - I still had limited access to the site, under the terms of my suspension. I was able to click to donate, use my butterflies, read some group posts and send green stars. However, my password - mysteriously - kept changing, although I was usually able to reset it using the password reset email.
I was not able to do that today, so I set up a quick account to see if my existing account had been deleted altogether, but it seems it has not. I'll keep trying - but I did want to thank you all.
I'll delete this account now, so it will show up as past member in a few moments. :-)
 

rosemary weston (1)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:47 am
okay...well put together and reasonable requests. i hope it will be seriously taken into consideration and that it will open up an HONEST dialog. that is much needed i hope everyone who wants to sign this will have no fear of retribution and that the newer members who are unaware that there are problems on care2 realize that nothing is perfect, but because we love the whole idea of what care2 should be, we want it to be the best that it can be. there is so much of care2 that is amazing and wonderful, especially the sense of community that has developed here, it's wonderful group setup, camille's ecards, etc. etc! for care2 to continue as a real and meaningful force, it's members need to be able to respectfully to criticize and question with the expectation that they will be listened to and honestly responded to by care2.
 

Birgit W. (140)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:50 am
Signed, thanks.
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:06 am
Very well stated Rosemary W. and the Petition also is written well. C2 has an important place in my life and I wish it to flourish and continue allowing members from around the world to bring "light" into dark places. I don't believe any who choose to sign the petition wish malice upon anything regarding C2 nor Staff behind the scenes. But...if a sore is allowed to fester it tends to spread.

There are many activist on this site with impressive credentials, backgrounds, struggles and personal activism behind them as well as years of experience who speak out for the voiceless and social injustices they have in direct or indirectly been part of. They themselves must also be given a voice.
 

daryl bishop (216)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:27 am
i do agree. witha name like care everyone should care
 

Thomas L Robinson (52)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:45 am
One of the best written petitions I have seen! Many, many thanks.
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:52 am
222 signatures for now!....
 

Ann L. (34)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:14 pm
Signed and will forward. Thanks Marie and Thomas.
 

Phillip Anderton (88)
Friday January 31, 2014, 12:32 pm
Signed with pleasure. Hopefully there is no way that the Care 2 powers-that-be can take that petition down. High time they started listening to the most important people contributing to Care 2 - US!!
 

Lauren Kozen (143)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:21 pm
Noted, Signed & Shared. Thanks.
 

tasunka m. (335)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:27 pm
ya think we will ever see our gallery pics?
s,n
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:34 pm
Wonderfully written!
SIGNED!!
 

Vicky P. (461)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:53 pm
signed on zen's facebook, noted
 

Gabriela Baldaia (91)
Friday January 31, 2014, 1:59 pm
Thank you very much !!
So signed !!


 

. (0)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:14 pm
TY Marie. Excelent. Now let's see how much respect members will receive from the Care 2 powers that be. TY for the fwd Dandelion
 

Past Member (0)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:19 pm
Not very active on C2 right now because of recovery time needed from operation. But I logged on to leave a comment after signing this petition.
 

Suzanne L. (153)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:20 pm
Noted and signed. Thank you.
 

ewoud k. (73)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:22 pm
255 signers.

Well stated, well written.

Maybe some sort of appeal, or second lecture would do something....
 

Sharon Davidson (343)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:35 pm
thank you
 

Sascha Harper (294)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:40 pm
Signed and noted, I'm a bit disappointed there are less than 300 signatures though :(?
 

Pat B. (352)
Friday January 31, 2014, 2:57 pm
Thank you, signed.
 

Judy T. (201)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:30 pm
Signed. Thank you, Ewoud and Marie!
 

Rachida El Kaddioui (2)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:30 pm
Very good signed and shared!!
 

pam w. (191)
Friday January 31, 2014, 3:41 pm
DONE!
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:09 pm
Very nicely written. Petition signed.
 

Mariette G. (145)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:32 pm
Signed, thanks Marie and Dianne!
 

SJ J. (116)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:48 pm
done, thanks Marie, Dianne and Dandelion
 

Just Carole (341)
Friday January 31, 2014, 4:58 pm

I fully support this action, but I must admit that it is saddening that members feel the need to go outside this site in order to express their opinions without fear of retaliation.

This is something that Care2 management needs to digest without obstructive ego, while remembering the initial intent of the site they founded.

 

Cal Mendelsohn (968)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:12 pm
signed and noted
 

Joy Mcronald (126)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:14 pm
signed and noted.. Thanks..
 

Ondine J. (141)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:17 pm
Noted and signed. Very well written petition and one I support, thanks Patricia for forward and Marie
 

Lois Jordan (55)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:22 pm
Signed. Noted. Thank you, Marie.....and Dandelion for the link.
 

Susan Allen (218)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:23 pm
Noted; already signed. Have just sent the link to all of my Care2 friends. I tried not to send it to anyone that I knew had signed, but finally, I gave up and just sent it. So, if you've signed and you're my friend and you get my message, forgive me and just ignore. Thanks.

I think only good things can happen if an open dialogue is established between members and management.
 

Dan(iel)) M. (24)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:32 pm
Noted & Signed
 

Fred Boulton (12)
Friday January 31, 2014, 5:32 pm
Signed.

Many thanks for the link
 

BarbKnight SunshineLady (1626)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:12 pm
Signed! Thnx for the fwd Susan A. I just hope I don't get suspended.
 

Debbie Williamson (259)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:19 pm
Signed and thanks for forwarding Teresa.
 

Just Carole (341)
Friday January 31, 2014, 6:42 pm

Don't worry about suspension, Barb.

They have looooooooooooong list of "usual suspects" to choose from!

[snicker]

 

Just Carole (341)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:15 pm

Am I the only one who noticed that an "offbeat" story got 120 note-its, and over 100 comments within 23 hours, and is listed as "most active" in this category today . . . but NEVER was promoted to front page????

 

Jeanne Rogers (572)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:18 pm
Signed. Thank you Marie and Ewoud.
 

Lynn Carin LadySeastar (434)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:20 pm
Definitely SIGNED! What a blessing to have such KIND and devoted friends!
 

John B. (215)
Friday January 31, 2014, 8:52 pm
Thanks Barbara for the heads up and to Marie for providing the link. Signed, noted and shared
 

Frans Badenhorst (546)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:34 pm
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.

323 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Jim Phillips (3215)
Friday January 31, 2014, 9:54 pm
AVAAZ petition signed.

Like that froggy picture in the petition. lol.

ty, Marie news & "C" forward.
.
 

Joan M. (1087)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:05 pm
N & S. Thanks Marie
 

Beth Coutre (79)
Friday January 31, 2014, 10:45 pm
I am very happy, it is time for a change. Isn't that what we are all here for?
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:16 pm
I want Zen back and there are too many technical issues.
 

Laurie H. (687)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:28 pm
Thank you Marie -Signed & Thank you Marga for sending too!!! We can accomplish much together!!!~~~~
 

Susanne R. (249)
Friday January 31, 2014, 11:51 pm
Kudos to the individual(s) who created this petition! It's unfortunate that it's come to this, but the site administrators left its members with no alternative. What do you do when you don't receive a response to any reasonable requests or when discussions related to issues of concern are deleted? This action is not unreasonable. Petitioning is something they encourage, and this one was created and is being signed because we care. Let's hope that they Care2!
 

Floodedarea Please Help (220)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:16 am
Dandelion G. i agree with you...
 

Ronni G. (108)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:17 am
Signed; thanks to Dianne for the heads up.
 

Gitte Loeyche (28)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:19 am
Signed, noted and shared
 

Ben B. (38)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:24 am
Noted, had some difficulties with the Avaaz website, thanks for posting, Marie.

Basically administrative processes and decisions, especially censuring ones, should be transparent to those affected, particularly on this sort of website. Without transparency there can be no "due process".

A clearly defined complaints process, and means of lodging a complaint, would be helpful.
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:46 am
348 signatures so far. Not enough .... Why nobody used SHAREBOOK for spreading that issue widely?...
 

Irene S. (59)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:53 am
Hopefully signed!
 

Dimitris Dallis (2)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 2:23 am
Done :)
 

Alexandra G. (210)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 2:30 am
Thank you, very important petition for all Care2 members
 

Sandrea S. (205)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:10 am
Signed in solidarity
 

Arild Warud (158)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:18 am
Signed yeasterday.
 

jess b (22)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:20 am
Why is this not on care2 front page?

The "sharebook" post with approx. 40 notes, when I saw it, is on "offbeat" on the front page..
this seems odd; or did I miss it come and go in 24 hours? I don't think so.

Where is this post located?
 

Ros G. (88)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:50 am
Thanks for the forward..Norah..signed with pleasure...shame I can't sign it for every forward...
 

Sandrea S. (205)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:24 am
I came back here to return a star and got a pop-up to play Mobo (whatever that is) and it was trying to download. Then I went to my stars page to return other stars and got another pop-up that was hot to download and scan for viruses. Zen help!!!
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:35 am
I experience many similiar strange "tech difficulties" since some days... :-(((
Zen can't watch this I'm afraid... She is still blocked in some parts...
 

Edwin M. (366)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 5:26 am
SIGNED! Thanks Marie and thanks Carole for the forward.
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 5:53 am
Done! 370 signatures...??? -The impact of 23,5 million members! (Attention, sarcasm!) I don't have any expectations whatsoever, but who knows? BTW; -I have been suspended 3 or 4 times, the last time for 3 weeks. I say the last time, because if it happens again I will leave this site forever!
-Thanks Carole for sending me this serious petition!
 

Monika V. (399)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:50 am

********Please SHARE, more signatures needed!!!!*******

 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:09 am
This petition is serious, so should be shred widely. Use your SHAREBOOKs - they will be "retired" in 5 months!!! 376 signatures so far...
 

Stardust Noel (60)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:25 am
Signed.
 

Marie H. (167)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 8:37 am
Thanks for commenting.

New comments are going to my inbox, but are not being posted here, and this has not gone to front page. Very strange glitch indeed!!
 

Kathy Niell (85)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 8:54 am
I am pleased to see so many of my friends and those with whom I exchange green stars every day have signed the petition. I hope all these issues can be resolved. Care2 members are here because they do care deeply about so many issues. I hope management will be open to listening.
 

Nils Anders Lunde (526)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:03 am
N&S
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (78)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:23 am
I've signed & shared with C2 friends.

As has already been said, it's a shame that it has come to this. But, also, as has been said & felt, what choice was there?

It's a relief to know that C2 members are not letting this be swept under the rug & forgotten.
Thank you for posting this petition, Marie, & thank you for creating it, whoever you are!

I want my friend Zen back!!

And I don't want to ever see anyone suspended again without a 'public hearing'!

When my friend, Margaret, was suspended a couple of years ago, no one asked me -- or, to my knowledge, any other C2 member-- what I thought about her. She was targeted for her convictions & her posts by a group of C2 members who held opposing views & were closely knit enough to send repeated complaints about her. But she was doing nothing other than posting from legitimate sites about her issues, in keeping with her convictions! This shouldn't be allowed to happen! It's the C2 equivalent of being a political prisoner, arrested for one's views, which Amnesty International helps us fight against.

I am happy to see so many people united & uniting against injustice in our C2 community!
We need transparency & democracy on C2, as everywhere else; and that's what we're asking for.

 

Dandelion G. (374)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:28 am
Aho to that concerning Margaret and another by the name of David also. These "gangs" that stifle one persons speech fail to see it could just as easily go against them.

“I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it.” Voltaire
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:31 am
399 signatures...no comment!
 

Susan G. (54)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:57 am
Signed and noted sis
 

Carla van der Meer (429)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:09 am
Gladly signed. I hope this makes a difference. Lately Care2 seems to be going into something of a decline, with unbridled bullies, serial spammers and some very dubious advertising (a site which attracts so many feminists should not be allowing ads which use half naked women to sell things or Russian brides trying to sell themselves). Good people are being suspended and others are leaving in disgust. Many of us feel we have true friends here. We shouldn't have to leave due to the NRA bullies or spam attacks. We also should not have to fear speaking outor signing whatever we please without fear of suspension.
 

Col N. (56)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:14 am
405 signatures. Well written, polite and to the point. I hope others are brave and come and sign too... whether it works or not, it is time to stand up and be counted! Like Ben, if I am suspended or banned - I will not come back.
 

Pamela W. (75)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:30 am
To anyone out there who feel intimidated and do not "dare" sign ........... that is your RIGHT (and we understand) but PLEASE CIRCULATE to your friends, regardless, ....... they have the RIGHT to CHOOSE too and they can't do so unless they know about it !!!!
 

Autumn S. (138)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:57 am
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.
 

Veerle D. (78)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 11:42 am
Noted and signed. Thanks Col for forwarding.
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 11:58 am
416 signers so far. Who's next?...
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:07 pm
If people don't take the initiative to forward I guess they get what they get. I've sent to everyone on my list, if all on my list would send to everyone on theirs then this would be seen. I realize not all may want to sign it, but as it is having to do with other C2 members they should let others be aware of it at least and give them the opportunity to sign or not. One can't sign or choose not to sign, if they are not aware of it.
 

Veerle D. (78)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:11 pm
forwarded and I see at least one of my friends has signed just now :-).
 

Ray C. (56)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:13 pm
Signed, noted and thank you,
 

Sue H. (1)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:23 pm
Signed and noted, if this unfortunate situation cannot be resolved to everyone's satisfaction how will we ever achieve world peace?
 

James Maynard (64)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 12:49 pm
Signed (424), noted and shared.
 

Past Member (0)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:22 pm
N&S,Thank you.
 

Jeaneen A. (106)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:25 pm
S+N, now if we could get these many signatures on all petitions, we could really make a difference.
 

Sue L. (67)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:42 pm
I signed this petition because I believe that there can be improvements made to the site that would benefit both members and Care2.
 

FranNOMAILPLS Darcy (210)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:52 pm
Signed and congrats to the author/s of the petition .... so well put together and explained ...excellent
 

Teresa M. (70)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 1:55 pm
I've signed and noted and shared in as many places as I can just to let people know that there is an issue that needs consideration whether they agree or not is a personal choice Am pleased but surprised to see no negative comments here .......Please if those do appear it is their right to disagree ......do not turn this into a rat fight let them have their say and be dignified and polite.
 

Denise Hok (134)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 2:06 pm
Signed and noted ... a solution can and will be created.
 

Annemie O. (161)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:18 pm
Noted & signed!
 

Bridget Robertson (106)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:31 pm
Signed this yesterday. Tweeted it. And it has been shared on FB.
 

Shirley S. (172)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 3:59 pm
Signed & noted. 450 signers on this PEACEFUL MISSION
 

Ruth AWAY M. (252)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:03 pm
Done - let's hope it does some good
 

Angelika R. (146)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:15 pm
"remembering the initial intent of the site they founded. "..nobody knows that initial intend, last of all we, the chickens in the click farm. Ponder!
 

Birgitta S. (221)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:19 pm
S x 3 ; TY
 

Cynthia no frwd B. (260)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:33 pm
shared United We Stand
 

Alicia B. (58)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:46 pm
signed and noted.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:49 pm
Hello Past member / Zen

we must get more signers
 

Kathryn R. (0)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 4:52 pm
Signed and noted in solidarity. Thank you Marie, Toni, Karen, E.G., Teresa, & Ruth. “Let each of us lead a revolution of support in the lives of others.”
― Bryant McGill
 

rosemary weston (1)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 5:19 pm
i hope everyone here will sign this petition and i hope that it will be responded to with sincerety. we want care2 to be the best that it can be. please encourage everyone you knowon care2 to at least read the petition. it is reasonable and we just want an honest response.
 

Caitlin Mac (102)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:27 pm
I didn't sign this petition because I didn't find any specific proposals on how to solve the stated complaints. These may be legitimate concerns but I'm not personally aware of such indiscriminate censure, etc. I am aware of a certain suspension that has caused some respondents here to be concerned. But I have personal reasons to understand exactly why this particular person could have been suspended, so I don't wish to support this complaint at this time. I feel the suspension was probably for good cause. The wish for a "public" hearing may be the last any of us would want to have if we ourselves were considered for suspension. I have to assume that Ms. X was given a reason for suspension but probably doesn't understand it or wishes not to share it. I think that's the right of both management and member to decide. I do this this effort is laudable, but perhaps a bit more reactionary than truly constructive.
 

Lyn Z. (297)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:32 pm
Noted & Signed. Thanks Marie, and Carole for fwd.
 

Andrea Johnson (18)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:38 pm
signed and noted
 

John S. (297)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:43 pm
Signed and noted.
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 6:57 pm

Even a cursory scan of the petition, by even citing the fact that specific violations of COC and TOS were never given specifically, would SHOW what the corrective action should be.

I, personally, was once suspended. When I requested proof of wrongdoing, I was told that there was NONE. I know MANY others -- and some of them were friends -- wherein this was their same circumstance.

This is to protect ALL members; because an offense to ONE is an offense to ALL. It is NOT about one specific member. It's about MANY past and potential future members.

 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:07 pm

And there goes the warm and comfy feeling of camaraderie and solidarity . . . mistakenly sullied by a member choosing to make this, yet another, personal issue by choosing sides against a member they may not like, instead of seeing this for its true purpose = rights of members not to be subjected to unwarranted disciplinary actions.

[Shaking head.]


 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:08 pm

Let's just proceed, and ignore it.

 

Bryna Pizzo (139)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:10 pm
Thank you, Marie! (s, n, p, t)
 

Bill C. (354)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:23 pm
waste of energy
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:27 pm

Please do not bite at the bait. This is purposeful disruption of the thread in order to have it removed.

 

Pinke A. (35)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:41 pm
Signed!!
 

Candy L. (475)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 7:44 pm
Thanks to everyone that signed! I Signed Tweeted & Googled it 488 Signatures at last count
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 8:05 pm
S&N
 

Mary R. (243)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 8:53 pm
signed and noted
 

Julia R. (283)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:22 pm
Signed. Some very thoughtful and aptly expressed comments here. There always needs to be avenues where people can express their grievances candidly. That's what freedom of speech is all about and that's what enables equality and progress to thrive. Care2 with its stated goals and mission should be especially cognizant of members rights to feel that they are not being censured for expressing their views or opinions on a topic even if they represent a minority. I respect all of the members at Care2 even though we might not always agree and management at this site needs to show deference to all of its members by allowing them to express their views, suggestions and inquiries without fear of reprisal. I hope that Care2 can continue to be a great website where people can openly discuss their ideas and share information addressing important issues that can benefit all in our society.
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:25 pm

VERY well said, Julia (and the exact context of the petition).

Thank you!
 

Christine Stewart (131)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:30 pm
I love care2- and there should be transparency to keep care2 honest and loveable!
 

Ekeim Teeuwisse (143)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:39 pm
noted, signed ,shared,
tjhanks !
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:50 pm

The entire intent of the three different branches of legislature: Legislative - Executive - Judicial, was to keep the American government honest by having a balance of power, which each branch acting as a "watchdog" over the others. [Hmmmm . . . but that WAS the intent. *laugh*]

Although it's since been contaminated, it is a worthy concept. Members supply the needed energy and commitment to a site when they join, contribute and encourage. That is their contribution, in receipt of having the use of the tools, so long as they behave in accordance with the Terms of Service and Code of Conduct set forth upon joining.

Management, by requiring that members agree to those documents (a "contract"), should also be held to only applying disciplinary action toward members if they can PROVE that a wrongdoing occurred. That protects both management and members.

It's no different from American laws that suspects are "innocent until proven guilty."

We have every right to be demand that our efforts, when withheld, were done so due to a breach of our original contract.

 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 9:57 pm

[I wish I could proofread my own writing better . . . but, I hope you'll understand.]

 

jess b (22)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:02 pm
Why is this petition not on the first page?
Is a petition needed to get it there, or would it also not be promoted, if it had so many signatures?
 

Catherine Turley (198)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:24 pm
thanks for the forward, ruth. I cannot stand that they give no reference after taking action. how on earth are we supposed to avoid repeating the violation if we are truly unaware.
 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:28 pm

Good question, Catherine.

After I was suspended, I was told (after 3 days) that I could return if I'd agree to write something to the effect of "I have read and understand Terms of Service and Code of Conduct, and I agree to abide by them." [An act of contrition.]

That was MY question: "How can I correct something if I'm not sure exactly what my violation was?"

 

Just Carole (341)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:33 pm

Another friend of mine, who was suspended (again, with no proof of wrongdoing), I advised to send them the message from my above post.

He refused, on principle, and has never returned (even leaving his group for me to assume ownership of).

There are many stories like that.

 

Anette S. (24)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:40 pm
signed & noted
 

. (0)
Saturday February 1, 2014, 10:47 pm
I thought there was some censorship going on. I did also note a definite bias for some members and stories. I'm confused about the criteria though. I hope this action brings us clarification.
 

Monika V. (399)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:02 am

This is not on front page because C2 has an option to keep news off the front page. Censorship again...

 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:30 am

My sincerest thank you to ALL who signed. This is a mission toward fairness and transparency.

*** O*V*E*R___F*I*V*E___H*U*N*D*R*E*D___S*I*G*N*A*T*U*R*E*S ! ! ! ***

(Good Job and Good Night/Morning.)

 

MelindaAWAY K. (172)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:37 am
noted and signed ;-)
 

MelindaAWAY K. (172)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:38 am
Now at 502 signers!
 

Thomas L Robinson (52)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:42 am
Half way there...502 signatures.
 

. (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:55 am
already done thank you so much Marie
 

. (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:10 am
Signed and noted... Thanks Marie and Ruth for the posting!!
 

Viktoria Mikhneva (44)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:14 am
Signed!
 

Lynda H. (96)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:23 am
Signed, noted and absolutely in agreement, thanks Marie.
 

John Wesen (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:32 am
S & N, Gladly!

I had 58 ignored emails by C2, during a 3 week suspension, that I did deserve, but under extenuating circumstances.
The group of trolls I lnjst my temper to, were allowed to remain at c2, and CONTINUED to flame, cuss, troll me, AFTER my Uncle had just passed away, AND I ended up in hospital.
They then stalked me to twitter, and got themselves banned after tweeting c2 info, and telling me to KILL myself.

C2 ignored 58 emails, and dozens of tweets.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:52 am
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added to this petition!.
 

Rose NoFWDSPLZ (272)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:43 am
Good to see more people are signing this People power
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 3:18 am
I have a question; -WHAT would Care2 be without us, a few hundred ACTIVE members...??? We all know the answer, don't we...?
 

john byrne (51)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:41 am

Dont know what caused this at the outset but if Zen had killed someone he would at the very least get a hearing. this seems to be one way traffic so far & Iv never been known to play follow the leader BLINDLY.
 

caroline s. (77)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:46 am
Signed!
 

Gabriela V. (156)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 5:07 am
Done
 

Craig Pittman (44)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 5:35 am
Singed and noted. 525 at moment. Thanks Marie.
 

Sara P. (56)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 5:43 am
Well done Marie, I signed with pleasure and I will share with all my contacts!!! Thanks.
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:04 am
John Wesen, truly sorry for the loss of your Uncle and for the terrible treatment by other C2 members along with the disrespect of all those unanswered emails during what was obviously a very trying time for you. The low of some C2 members who obviously threw all humanity out the window when they did that to you have no concept of what this site is suppose to represent. But what is worse is that these people exist among us only protected by their cyber face on here. It is a shame that people sink to their lowest levels, the most easy place to go, rather then aspire to bring their own selves into a higher level of Consciousness. What happened to you in that respect and others that are still on C2 or sadly use to be, is exactly why we need this petition.
 

Alice C. (1797)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:26 am
Done
 

Paws for the News (455)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:29 am
Happy to sign Paws for the News
www.pawsforthenews.tv
 

Krish Away (43)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:54 am
Prev signed..
noted this post now.. I am unable to create a share post
 

Sandrea S. (205)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:28 am
I'm getting quite a few empty comments in my email from this thread, I can only see the member, just not their comment.
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:34 am
Many strange glitches recently on C2... ;-) And 534 signatures so far...
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:39 am
hmm.. just wondering...the issue here appears to be a certain voicelessness of thousands, if not millions, let's say "human species" to fall victims, due to some lacks, even "latent defects"- can some 500 + signatures after 3 days be considered a good job or any kind of success?
 

Franshisca Dearmas (97)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:45 am
Noted and signed. TY Marie
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:48 am
@ Sandrea , empty comments in PM, apart from other possible glitches or reasons, are also generated by people wishing to track and marking the box without leaving a comment but hitting submit button.
 

iveta cer (71)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:58 am
Signed and noted
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:59 am

Is it measured by number of signatures? No. But, as in any campaign with a set goal, it's customary to celebrate benchmarks.

But, even with that said, we all have known people whose very deserving petitions, for various reasons (some obvious, such as poorly written ones, with targets such as "all who care"; others were not promoted; etc.) have been awaiting more signatures for months without reaching their goal.

This issue, in particular, because it is addressed to site management, is one that many people are reluctant to sign. I understand that.

I am very proud to be among those who have stepped forward for something they believe is an injustice and who have devoted hours and hours of work to see that it is addressed openly.

 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:28 am

I just thought of something ironic. Having been an activist since the late 60's, her father and I raised our daughter to always "question authority." And *I* was the first authority she questioned! [And, secretly, I was very proud of her.]

LOL

 

Sandrea S. (205)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:34 am
@ Angelika, You were the latest one with an empty comment email.
It was the last straw of the last straw, that made me mention it.
 

Sonia Minwer Barakat Reque (43)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:41 am
Noted and signed.Thanks for sharing this important petition
 

Veerle D. (78)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:03 am
Care2 would do better to review their new accounts instead of disabling accounts of long standing members with lots of friends who have proven why they want and need to be part of Care2.
I see a lot of new members with similar or even identical (human) pictures and strange/clashing names to go with them. These are all fake accounts used for what purpose? What is Care2 doing about this?
 

Bill C. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:04 am
Let me be clear I do not give a rats ass about this thread or it "purpose"

Your facts ask bullshit and anyone who saw what happened in F&S with the POWER HUNGRY individual who made themselves "in charge", abused the position and then started to challenge Care2 openly to suck in people like those who post here o cause a divisional war, got exactly what thy disserve and to have the LACK of control to openly come here and post saying who they are is ABSOLUTE FUEL for the fire.

I hate to tell of you this but you do not own the site and decisions are ,made for business reasons, it matters not if each one of you leave the site.,but like the poster who said my post was bait you will not leave she has been ding the same thing for many years

I can safely say no one ever booted feels they disserve it but when they come on a thread lie this and encourage they disserve a forever boot as do a few posters here.

So continue to make it worse and hold your breath like 2 year old and keep a check on the number of people suspended and removed.

This has become the place or the paranoid to post as not one of you is important enough in the business for Care2 to go after you, they do not need to your here because they allow it

Just like your property you say who comes and who goes.....Care2 can do the same.

Before you call this BAIT get the point it is fact
 

Effie Ligon (57)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:08 am
Signed most certainly. As a platform that supports human rights, it only makes sense that Care2 would follow the same protocol of open and clear communication. It is far better to educate and redirect than to punish.
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:11 am

[No response.]

 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:12 am

My above comment was intended for the post before yours, Effie.

 

Sandrea S. (205)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:15 am
We interrupt this fine, caring thread to bring you a vitriolic message.
 

Bill C. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:16 am
also you need to up your signature needs 1000 (where some sign many time from many profiles) seems a bit weak against 23.5million members

Most could get along much better if they realize this is the Internet; a 2 dimensional kind of near real life

Try ignore an you find it works

To be clear I am banned from F&S, been here 11 year and its the only group I am banned from

Its not the end of life as you know it
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:22 am

Let's try our best to stay focused and keep this thread on topic.

Thanks for sticking to the high road, my friends.

 

Bill C. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:23 am
no response.....now that's funny

that equates to a pretend throw of a ball where you hide it and not so bright dogs go crazy looking for it

but the wise ones say fool me once shame on you fool ,me twice shame on me

have fun bt I know where the ball is
 

Bill C. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:25 am
Yes keep to the high road

but then that would men removing this thread
 

Veerle D. (78)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:26 am
Thank you Bill, for your opinion. You seem to know a lot about what has been going on, unlike some of us here.
Just one remark : Though you say it is a waste of energy, you put a lot of time and energy in your post... and have come here twice already? And so what if we are making it worse (for us, not for you)? Are you sure you don't give a rat's ass?
 

JL A. (274)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 9:33 am
Given what John W. shared in his comment, during my time here I've looked repeatedly for a policy statement on this site (like I have found on other social media sites) regarding turning all reports of cyber-bullying and stalking over to law enforcement like I believe the law requires.
Has anyone else found such a statement here?
In addition, other social media and telecommunications companies are disclosing the requests they received from law enforcement for data they have on/from customers/members. Has anyone seen a similar disclosure by this site?
 

Janice P. (51)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 10:13 am
I have been very sick since Christmas Day, and I have not been participating in Care 2 or even able to answer most of my personal e-mails for some time. But, when this arrived in my inbox, I decided that it was important enough to stay up and address. If nothing else comes out of this effort, hopefully, the rules under which members are expected to operate must be clarified, so that we know for certain BEFORE we violate one of the codes of conduct. That is only fair. Only then can rules be applied equally to all and only then can we have any real guidance for posting comments, without jeopardizing our membership rights.

I'm aware that the reason for this matter goes far beyond mere application and explication of our rules. However, that is the best place to begin, if we are to have a smoothly running site. I hope that all parties can find a meeting of the minds and come together in good will and harmony, to achieve something worthwhile. After all, isn't that the main purpose of Care 2?
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 10:37 am
Sorry to read of your ill health Janice, I wish for you good health soon.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 10:53 am
I'm joining Dandelion in her wishes for Janice!! As to that ? behind Janice's last sentence- that ? is the real question and I for one am very reluctant in answering that! View my earlier comment much further above-perhaps even google that word.

@ Sandrea that was as it should have been b/c i had only then decided to track this here! but may stop again ..
 

anonymous X. (93)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:00 am
Thanks Marie and Monika
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:01 am
Carole- "Is it measured by number of signatures? No. But, as in any campaign with a set goal, it's customary to celebrate benchmarks. ". Ok, sorry I didn't give consideration to that, didn't have much experience with it. but I hope you and all others nevertheless understood what i was trying to point out, certainly was NO criticism to your comment!!
Maybe also I have less understanding than you for people's reluctance to sign this, which I thought of MAJOR importance for all.
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:03 am

S'ok!

Thanks for clarifying, dear Angie.

 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:12 am
We most probaböy ARE a bunch of chickens here but NO chicken-asses !- so I thought, and was hoping!
 

GGmaSheila D. (129)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:33 am
Personally, what bothers me is Not the banning itself, but the lack of transparency, the lack of rebuttal, the lack of proof needed to ban. I, too, have looked for the same things as JL and found nothing, not even guidelines.
There are no rules to follow so we won't be banned. There's nothing to tell us when we step a bit out of line, no warnings...other than good old Common Sense (no swearing, no vitriolic attacks - tho I've seen some of those). Nothing until someone gets banned, then C2 gets upset when We,the Members, cause a bit of a ruckus...petitions and comments do NOT a revolt make, but are chances to open an honest dialog with other members and the C2 powers that be.

Several weeks ago I took a personal stand when C2 took down a page with a petition link. You may check out the Share on My Page. They had previously taken down several petitions regarding the banning of a member. What possibly wasn't included there is that we only want honesty, openness, guidelines, not arbitrary decisions made by C2. We want proof of guilt, or accusations against us. Even our courts today give the appearance of the accused facing the accusor, of seeing and hearing the evidence against us.

I will take a minute to say Thank You to the Support Team for the star and for their message. It was appreciated and I understand that specifics of that particular case was private. I never asked for those, only the chance to be heard without censure. Transparency as much as it can be given.

Everyday we Members sign petitions and make comments about the loss of our Freedom of Speech. We watch as our right to Peaceful Protest goes down the tubes. We get downright surly with the lack of transparency in our Government. Why should we not expect more from C2?

We are very passionate people about what we stand for, what we fight for. The only thing different here is that Care2 and the Friends here are like Family. Family should Never make us feel betrayed. When the previous petitions and, finally, the page with my comment, were deleted I felt insignificant, unimportant to C2. That wasn't your intention, but I think many of us felt the same. If what we have to say isn't important to C2, then why should we contribute, especially knowing that our honesty can be deleted, erased, purged...?

Thanks for letting me sort out how I feel now, and how I felt back then. By the way, I enjoyed my little vacation immensely...
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:33 am
Signed!
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:42 am

WHOA, Sheila!!!

*standing ovation*

 

Julie E. (256)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:04 pm
I am just seeing this for the first time thanks to Lenicka for the forward. I am wondering why more people did not share this with me. I usually get a lot of forwards. I will not put to much thought into this. Just an observation.

#554. Signed and shared all over. I will share with Care2 friends too.

Luckily I have not personally had problems with Care2. Many friends have and this is why I am signing this. I care deeply for my friends here. Many have brought back a smile that I lost for a very long time. I love the perseverance most have and the dedication and compassion that I see often. I have learned so much from friends. I treasure you all so much.

--Who wrote this petition? Created by Concerned C. United States of America. Just curious.

We should not have to be afraid to speak our minds - with some restraint at times, (like if you are really pissed and may say something you may regret later) but get your point across without getting punished for it. I get upset when negativity takes over in a hurtful way. As far as being open-minded and trying to see everyone's point of view, that's what I consider myself and many others and I love that. I want everyone to be able to be themselves. So many great voices with opinions and advice. We need to be heard.

Care2 would not be what be what it is without so many active great members that they have. I am concerned that more people will leave because of Care2's lack of compassion for what we want to say and how we feel. Things do need to change. I have seen in the past 1 1/2 years being active that many people have complained to where I know it is a problem.

I don't think much is being asked of Care2. This is a wonderful site but we as members need to know that Care2 is there for us as we have been for them. So step it up Care2! Let us know that you are on our side! Who are you? Where are you? Work with us!
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:18 pm

Very well said, Julie!

 

Genoveva M M. (331)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:27 pm
Signed, noted, Twitter and posted in Facebook.
Thanks for this petition.
 

Bill C. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:36 pm
Veerle I would not be here at all if it were not for all the netmail asking people to come

Care2 is a for profit business the COC and TOS are clear and also at the will of Care2

If a mom and child were visiting your home and that mom allowed her child to destroy what was yours would you just smile and let it be or ask her to discipline the child and then if not to leave?

People seem to think there is some ludicrous comparison in government transparency and Care2 (a private business) day to day running; there is not. Membership is free you can not control ad revenue and have little input as to agenda

This thread could be replaced by many others with the exact same issue, exact same people and will have the exact same outcome

The issue with Z is OLD has been OLD for years, it was a trial to see if allowing members to assist was a possibility and Z went power hungry which closed a very viable door for all other Care2 members to move into positions of potential employees.

Her need for control harmed the site

The fact this thread is still here clearly says Care2 lets you speak your concerns and the fact I have gotten ,many many stars from people I do not know about this tread and my posts makes it clear to me this is a small group of concerned folk who are being fed 1/2 of the facts
 

Marie H. (167)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:36 pm
Dear Zen,
Thanks for your message and you are most welcome.
My pleasure as always.

Posted this in the hope that we get you back were you belong with your care 2 family.

Fingers crossed!!! xx :)

Hugs from Marie.

Ps... Ignore some of the negative feedback here, they obviously don't understand the full story or have never been suspended unfairly.

Thanks to everyone who has signed, shared and posted comments of support.


 

Kay M. (354)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 12:43 pm
sad when you have to put a petition elsewhere because they're censored and removed here.
 

Gloria H. (88)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:14 pm
signed. BTW, make sure that we can also have "flag as inappropriate" on comments so we can GET RID of sneaky spammers who pose as CARE2 members!

sooooooooo irritating when they fly under the radar with their stupid claims to "instant" money.

Down with Spammers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:21 pm
I actually find Bill C's post quite interesting and getting to the point I've also been trying to throw in here, just in a not so open way. This IS a BUSINESS -as he says "Care2 is a for profit business the COC and TOS are clear and also AT THE WILL of Care2 ,-which some or many got to FEEL, indeed.
We, the chicken in this CLICK FARM, are bringing the $$ to this business-what are WE getting in return??
Butterflies, great! CLICK-CLICK-KEEP clicking chciken! each click generates $$ ,-and an insect.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:24 pm
Let's paint it green, the greener the better! (like chciken digest after healthy outdoor feed)-sorry...
Another remarkable poin there in Bill's comment: keyword CONTROL. Raises the question WHAT is there that may NEED control? Is Z after all some sort of Edward???? "use your best judgement" ! -a familiar phrase ?
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:27 pm
thx Gloria! You're of course speaking of those computer generated money making schemes Scam attacks from Pakistan.
 

Teresa M. (70)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:28 pm
I see nothing in the wording of the petition that mentions anyone by name. It is a request to clarify and make procedures of censorship and suspension etc more transparent and better understood in the community to stop rumours and speculation...if a member knows what they are supposed to have done wrong ,there is the charge,let them respond to the charge, let evidence from both sides be seen in private,,,,not discussed on the site and be judged fairly and sentenced according to a known toll if guilty . The petition is not requesting reinstatement of anyone per se.

PS:There is a big difference between being banned /blocked from a group by the host and being suspended from the site as a whole. The former is entirely at the group host/owner's discretion the latter at Care2's .
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:33 pm
Teresa, that is correct, THIS petition hasn't a thing to do with that member. It was however, Bill's choice to bring them in the picture. That is why I picked it up and the way i did.
 

Bernell T. (235)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:36 pm
Noted and signed. I haven't had any problems with Care2 and didn't realize such was happening. Facebook is famous for "ruling the roost" but had no idea such was going on here. Change.org definitely has its problems. We definitely need a reputable, accountable means of fighting crime throughout the world, if not here then somwhere else!
 

Laetitia SCHARTNER (176)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 1:47 pm
signed and noted
 

Helga Kordjukova (155)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:00 pm
572 signers
 

Lisa B. (117)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:11 pm
signed for those who have a "gag rule" on them!
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:24 pm
No one is trying to destroy C2 as one member mentioned, in fact the members are trying to make it better for all who use the site. If "alive and active" members who view or purchase that which is advertised keep leaving due to ongoing issues, wouldn't it make a better business choice to want to listen and improve the site for the one's using it.

I recall there use to be a time when a survey was sent out asking members for their input, I haven't seen that for a long time. After all placating only to the advertisers can only go so far if the consumers or users leave. Or perhaps it then becomes solely a statistics game, the members of no friends and frog avatars that come up in some count to give an illusion.
 

Ann W. (35)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:37 pm
Signed and Noted. If we had more open dialogue and communication in all aspects of life, maybe the world wouldn't be in such a mess!
 

Kathy g. (55)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:38 pm
Noted and Signed. Thank you Marie.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 2:47 pm
Done
 

Evelyn B. (80)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 3:05 pm
Noted and Signed Tks. Marie.....
 

rosemary weston (1)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 3:06 pm
it is encouraging to see that so many care2 members are speaking their mind! yes, we chickens or froggies are the product that care2 wants to sell, but we have certain expectations in return. recent events have simply been a last straw to our discontent. we only want to open up an honest line of communication. no one should feel threatened by that...
 

Maria S. (102)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 3:15 pm
Noted & signed. Thanks Marie & Ruth M for forwarding!
 

Sau t. (67)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 3:41 pm
Done ! Monika
 

jess b (22)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:02 pm
580 SIGNATURES. thanks for the stars Zen.
 

Eternal Gardener (702)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:08 pm
Done!
 

Debbie S. (33)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:10 pm
Signed and noted. Hope all gets straightened out, such a good place and good people who 'care'. We can only try.
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:20 pm

I want to address the point that Care2 is a business and can do what they wish because we don't pay for our membership. There are ways, as are pointed out in the petition (for those who read it), of paying that aren't necessarily monetary. Care2, obviously, understands that the more members they have, the more attractive the site is to advertisers.

Most single-owner businesses also understand that contented, appreciated employees can effect the bottom line. In fact, many studies have been made about the subject. Here is one posted in Huff Post:


A Happy Worker Is a Productive Worker

Unhappiness among workers in America is costing a shocking $300 billion per year in lost productivity, the Gallup-Healthways estimates. The recent Well-Being Index shows that Americans are increasingly unhappy with their jobs and work environments. When people aren't happy with their jobs or their employers, they don't show up consistently, they produce less and their work quality suffers. A 2011 Harvard Business Review article stated that the level of happiness has a profound impact on workers' creativity, productivity, commitment and collegiality.

 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:30 pm
" the members of no friends and frog avatars that come up in some count to give an illusion. " !! Sheryl, should we start a little guessing game about how many out of those "23+ million" that may be???
 

Sue McGuey (100)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:31 pm
Noted!~ Signed & posted to Facebook!~ Forwarded to Care2 friends!~
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:33 pm
Excellent point previously by Carole of course!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:35 pm
I'm actually beginning to look at the site and its members as sort of a huge bee colony or bee hive, and then comes along someone from Syngenta with a little bit of spray..
 

Natasha Salgado (505)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:39 pm
I almost missed this...S+S with hope. Thx Marie
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:42 pm

I think there are many people (other than just the scammers) who are counted as members because they may have visited the site ONCE (to sign a petition, for example).

It would be interesting to know how many of the 23+ million members are regular visitors, who visit many different areas of the site.

 

Monika Schuster (19)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 5:02 pm
signed
587 signers
noted
thank you
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 5:56 pm
The dead profiles, the actually deceased we know of, also rarely visit daily . :D
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:02 pm

Now that's not nice, Angie . . . but I AM still chuckling!

 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:13 pm
Flag me! I didn't say anything bad about any member, alive or dead, did I? apologies anyway..no intention to be not nice!
 

Sandi C. (237)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:14 pm
I signed
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:15 pm
I need to know THE EXACT RULES /TERMS i guess to avoid being called out here!
 

GGmaSheila D. (129)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 6:53 pm
Been reading all of the great comments here and making sure everyone got stars from me...yes, even cantankerous Bill. What I see and read here is encouraging...no nastiness, even Bill's opinion heard and nothing started. We all have opinions and want to be heard, or we wouldn't be here on C2 doing what we do. In other words, we are strong people, very opinionated, and not afraid to say how we feel, sometimes to our own detriment, and/or embarassment. The fact that there are very few among us, not just those commenting here but on C2 at large, who show our teeth and claws to each other, even though at times we may disagree. We do not draw much blood...maybe hope for a large boulder to fall on a few.

I have to say Thanks to Dandelion for the very relevent Voltaire quote...I agree that I haven't always liked some comments, but I certainly would Never want to stop anyone from having their voice heard. After all, isn't that part of what makes this a good Community...

I also believe that C2 may have learned something from earlier "discussions". This page and our comments are still here. Hopefully, because they now realize, it's far better to let us have our say than to stifle us, muzzle us... try to shut us up.

Thank You Care2 for allowing us our say here. It is appreciated more than you may realize. I would like to send you a star also...not certain where to send it, but know that it is due to you from me.
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:11 pm

FYI: Care2 traffic analysis on Alexa and Quantcast.

 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:31 pm
You can't fail to see the traffic has been declining-not so that number of members" which hasn't moved in ages.
Or am I getting something wrong here...
 

JL A. (274)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 7:54 pm
An average of about 306,000 people open a page somewhere on the site--71% casual hits from subject searches or directed from other sites (a portion of the percent from Facebook would be when members post there about a post here), 29% are regulars and all combined hit an average of three pages on the site during a visit. Over one percent are to email here.

Most of the measures of activity in the two reports show the number of visitors is going down and the average of what people do when they are here is going down.
Is that what you were seeing Angelika?

India is second after the US in where the traffic is from. Historically advertising was sold based on page hits so active regular members generate a significant portion of that income stream.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:01 pm
..right, Judi,- and THAT is the reason why they should be treated accordingly! Agreed?
I wonder how much % of that traffic from India is spam. Probably another certain part from Pakistan, -we know how those two "love" each other.
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:02 pm

You are so smart, Judi!

Thank you for taking the time to analyze the myriad graphs and data!

 

Nancy C. (796)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:16 pm
595th and sharing in fb groups...thank you
 

Ekeim Teeuwisse (143)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:22 pm
i'd like to mention ONE POSITIVE point : this news and it's comments have NOT been deleted by care2 ! (like the previous news item and 3 petitions.)
could they have learned something already ?! :)
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:26 pm
Ekim-we'll know come MONDAY -perhaps.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:27 pm
GGmsheila earlier also expressed that very nicely and I absolutely agree, so far!
 

Just Carole (341)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:34 pm

Even if this is taken down come Monday, I feel it's served its purpose in the 3 days it existed (and for that, I'm grateful). For the most part, I have enjoyed the comments here, and the positive nature of the members who've taken the time to present them.

Yes, I often think that those who criticize are often the ones who care the most and fervently plead for change so that they can continue visiting with a clear conscience. (Otherwise, they'd just leave.)

 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 8:39 pm
True, wise and nice words there, thank you Carole!
 

Giana Peranio-Paz (377)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 10:05 pm
I signed two days ago. Thanks Marie.
 

Susan Allen (218)
Sunday February 2, 2014, 11:30 pm
Great comments ~

The number is 606 now
 

Mariann Rannenberg (132)
Monday February 3, 2014, 12:10 am
Thank you Everyone. I signed this a couple days ago. I had to send everyone a star for these great comments. Keep up the great work. WE CARE!!
 

Victoria Pohrebna (269)
Monday February 3, 2014, 1:58 am
Signed.
 

John Wesen (0)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:02 am
Dandelion, Thank you, and every caring Soul.

I'd love to see Care2 be about 'caring', and for people to be able to post without fear of being trolled, just because opinions may differ. :)
 

Shan D. (49)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:31 am
"Thanks for commenting.

New comments are going to my inbox, but are not being posted here, and this has not gone to front page. Very strange glitch indeed!! " (marie H.)

It's the kind of glitch that happens "accidentally-on-purpose."

This has been a fascinating experience in many ways - things that are useful to know, but I sincerely wish there had been no reason why we had to learn them. Even the smallest of discussion forums I've ever belonged to have a grievance procedure. Care2 has none. That's part of what this petition is hoping to achieve.
 

Vita Pagh (36)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:31 am
Signed. Thank you.
 

Karen Baker (66)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:16 am
Signed and noted
 

Cynthia Davis (339)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:18 am
signed
 

Maria S. (54)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:32 am
Signed Thank you Maria S. for forwarding.
I dont know exactly what is going on here but there is something wrong that should be sorted out.
This is an important place for many of us and we are all looking at the worst doings of mankind on the planet.
If members are being miss treated it has to be put in the open.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:47 am
The absence from frontpage does seem awkward to say the least but as for these new comments in inbox (as stated earlier here in the discussion, if blank, usually simply generated by ticking the tracking box and hitting submit WITHOUT leaving any comment at the same time) but not appearing on thread, that COULD also be the same glitch we regularly, though not too often see in all other threads as well. Sometimes just a latency, delay and they'll appear later, sometimes total failure. I won't speculate any more about the issue but ALL is possible.
 

Aud nordby (701)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:26 am
N&S
 

Carol J. (15)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:27 am
Noted & signed.
 

Jelca Bruigom (77)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:56 am
signed; for openness and transparency is always better than leaving a rough discussion in the air.
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (78)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:07 am
From Avaaz: "617 signers. Let's reach 1,000"

Well, it's Monday, the 'fateful' Monday some have worried about, & we're still here, thread & all the comments.

In terms of this post not reaching Front Page: While the post may never have appeared on Front Page (I couldn't say whether it did or didn't- I didn't think of looking for it from the start), it IS listed in 'Popular Stories' under 'Past Week.'

On the other hand, I was just amazed to read today that a current member has now been blocked from posting comments in one of her OWN groups! Amazing! I know because I got a message of her comment on another thread that I'm tracking &, as the person has not mentioned it on this thread, I won't divulge her name, because I don't think it's for me to decide: it's better for her to decide whether of not to discuss this here.

But I am dismayed to realize that at the height of this critical moment in relations between members & management, with the Avaaz petition now online & signatures being added all the time, someone in management has once again acted to censure a member, without even knowing what that person was going to say! I'm afraid that we are not getting through!!!!

The 'powers that be' should realize that if we didn't love the site, if we didn't want to continue being an active part of the site, if we hadn't made it the center of our social, political & environmental concerns, if we hadn't chosen to make C2 our trampoline for activism, we'd just slam the door & walk away. And that's a very strong statement of support for the achievements of the site! All we want is to see it improved with greater respect for our input, i.e. have it taken into account. The achievements of the site --which are a combination of the initial brilliant vision, the technological prowess to make it happen, & the members' commitment & involvement-- have given C2 a fantastic reputation as a unique space for activism & free speech; for creating bonds & finding allies for the whole array of causes.

I find it hard to believe that management fails to see that actions such as deleting petitions, groups & posts, blocking members' comments, and unfair, unilaterally-decided suspensions of worthy members can only harm the reputation that C2 has worked so hard to build. We have all worked together to build the site & its reputation. These issues need to be taken into consideration in a new dialogue that will only make the site stronger.

[My rephrasing, basically, of Carole's remark: "Yes, I often think that those who criticize are often the ones who care the most and fervently plead for change so that they can continue visiting with a clear conscience. (Otherwise, they'd just leave.) ]

JL's, Carole's & Angie's info on site use is very interesting, too: food for thought!
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (78)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:11 am
But, I forgot to add, what conclusions to draw?
 

Donna Hamilton (133)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:24 am
Noted and signed previously. Thanks, Marie and Carol for the link.
 

Helmut H. (30)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:50 am
Noted, signed & shared, thanks Marie!
 

Dotti Lydon (116)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:03 am
I was one of the first to sign this petition. It was brought to my attention by a friend who is also in fear of being banned. Returned this morning (thanks Judi) to see if it had been taken down. Thanks to all who commented except Bill C. I will add that quite some time ago, I told Bill C. that I wished those teeth in his avatar would bite him in the ass. Randy Paynter sent me a star for my comment.
 

Veerle V. (41)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:06 am
Signed and shared. Thank you Marie and thank you Ruth for forwarding.
 

Ellen J. (89)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:09 am
Signed, noted, shared, comments read. WHAT A GREAT THREAD. Thanks to everyone who made thoughtful comments: Just Carole, LucyKaleidoSCopeEyes, Ben, Dandelion, Angelika, and many many more. I hope the petition accomplishes what its author desire, the chance for transparency.
 

Veronique L. (210)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:11 am
So noted and signed!!
 

Stephen Hill (651)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:12 am
With pleasure signed and past along to my friends on facebook
 

Daniel Partlow (189)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:49 am
I signed this earlier and have come back to see more comments. I believe we all should have a right to express our opinions. But this thread has opened my eyes a bit wider. I try to keep things positive or just shut up. But even those opinions I disagree with should still have a right to be expressed.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:50 am
and more awesome comments added here, how great is that!
Lucy, big thx for your wonderfulwords there, really covering it all once again! That second short comment no less!! STATS are what counts, less our keekeereekee input. my thinking, anyway- prove me wrong anyone.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:52 am
Naturally and consequently those greens, no, not the stars, tied to the stats.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:40 am
I'd like to build on what Julia R. said related to grievance procedures using a business analogy.

Airlines have long provided a higher level of service to their frequent flyer clubs than to other passengers; some now have access requirements that make them additional income. One could compare that higher level of service to membership in the approved application Feedback & Suggestions group here.

However, airlines do provide timely and complete customer service information and complaint resolution opportunities to all their customers and not exclusively to their frequent flyer customers. People seem to be asking that there be this kind of function and service with this business.
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:45 am
This petition is created by "Concerned C. United States of America". WHO is that? 632 signatures, does it take a thousand to be delivered? If so, it may take a loong time...
Thanks Folks for great comments!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:45 am
*** > Judi! No doubt we're following suit a great example then-who could argue that!
"frequent flyer clubs" in my view might, rather should also cover all those C2 flyers !! (gotten/getting booted)
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:46 am
Update:

CareTwo Support Staff has noted this news post..

so my best guess is that Care2 read this feedback of ours.. &

it also means this news post will NOT be deleted!!!
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:46 am
Thank you CareTwo Support
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:47 am
Ben-no matter WHO that is, it's a person, most definitely a member here, to whom we all OWE GREATEST THANKS!!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:51 am
KRISH; OF COURSE WE saw IT WHEN ERIC ENTERED HERE; saying "good morning" to all of us.
Thanks to C2 and him won't hurt, besides was already expressed here earlier, but wasn't they only doing their duty? Why delete? NO REASON at all.
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:03 am
You're right, Angelica. I was just curious...
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:09 am
I can't see Support Staff's comment on this news post Angelika.. where was the "Good Morning"?
Is it in the F&S Group?

Apart from that.. Care two support mentioned that they will discuss the issue with the parties involved..
Did that happen yet? Or.. are we supposed to send follow-up requests?
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:19 am
Krish-I admit he did NOT lift his hat for the greeting ;)-but nevertheless i TOOK it for saying "good morning to us all!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:21 am
As to " discuss the issue with the parties involved.. " i understand THAT only referenced to the OTHER personal issue two parties are having.
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:22 am
Can we conclude that our petition reached "the target".. so that we shouldn't be worried about number of signatures and petition reaching it's GOAL..

Needless to say..

issues if resolved AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE will dissolve all apprehensions
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:24 am
What worries me more is the mentioning by Lucy about another member NOW being blocked from posting in own group -that IS odd. But we/I know nothing about it so can't really say.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:33 am
Krish, we can assume, not conclude(unless you consider Eric alone the "management". And the decision should of course be left up to the petition AUTHOR:
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:47 am
Needless to say

Issues if NOT resolved quickly will INCREASE Apprehensions
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:50 am
It's best to have CC decide. Nobody else could close and deliver this petition anyhow.
 

Gary A L. (129)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:50 am
signed and noted as with all human constructs critical mass is achieved and the long decline to oblivion starts you cannot defy the law of entropy no matter what care2 does if they stray from their core values this is inevitable
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:54 am
..Gary yep. As seen in the decline of the Roman empire, the US or anywhere else for that matter. We may even witness it again in the next days further East. mostly on TV.
 

Gudrun D. (396)
Monday February 3, 2014, 11:07 am
Signed but cannot forward as I've been unable to message anyone for three years :( Thanks for the forward Maria S! Thank you Maria!
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 11:17 am
"for T H R E E yrs!! Hope C 2 READS THIS !
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 11:55 am
Awaiting the Official response here..

Obviously Petition and Post was created for a purpose and will have served the "purpose" ONLY when the issue is resolved
 

Krish Away (43)
Monday February 3, 2014, 12:02 pm
*were created
 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 12:32 pm
Just though I would see if your burned out yet and make a few more points

as the dead horse continues to be beat ask your selves this:

It is clear violation of the COC/TOS to ,make duplicate profiles for unsavory use such as signing petitions multiple times but one person not only added to the "fake member" numbers with the creation of a bogus profile to come here to thank all for the petition you claim is not about her situation

Care2 is not stupid

Next if you like Care2 is the petition on this site as well as the other? Why not? Seems odd to me to not use the tools on a site you wish to help

As far as transparency can you please show your business in an open light, stat with posting individual salaries' and qualification to show there is no "good ol boy" system.

What you seem to feel is reasonable is not when it is business.

To the poster who said I have never been unfairly suspended, I have and it was due to the actions of two fiends who were trying to prove membership was not equal, I was one of the first ,members of F&S and have been banned for years because of it. I do not see it as fair but neither is life

There are 8 people tracking this thread, same one who stir the pot for the same reason in the same way and expect different outcomes.

This thread will burn out, nothing will be accomplished and the leaders will pat themselves on the back

just like before

I will say TY for all the green stars as I have gotten many
 

Teresa M. (70)
Monday February 3, 2014, 12:56 pm
Please do not bite Bill folks he is entitled to his opinions and also to his interpretations of the world and Care2 as he sees it, as are we all . Please do not be swayed from the issue posted by Marie, I repeat myself again but this thread is long, the issue posted is not personal to any particular individual, it is more of a suggestion that Care2 may like to consider some of the points raised to tighten up the contract between members and themselves and therefore hopefully stop the roundabout of rumour ,speculation and uncertainty that clogs this site from time to time and allow us all to help each other in a better fashion by being able to explain clearly what is allowable on the site and the likely result of infractions of the rules to other members heading towards the said breaches (privately of course) BEFORE the situation if it happens gets out of hand. This would probably help the site run a lot better and help Care2 support concentrate on other issues such as spammers etc....is that such a bad ask?
 

Val R. (229)
Monday February 3, 2014, 1:01 pm
Already signed - and is true - that care2 is a business - Care2.com - sadly not a nonprofit or would read care2.org - so why is an activist site for profit??? Because of those that run is - those above Randy and yes he does what they say! Big advertisers maybe etc., etc..... I still love Care2 for all the friends I have made here and continue to make here and I believe I make a difference -but things could be better. thanks Marie.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 1:37 pm
Who are "they" "above Randy"? Val? I thought it were WE who do what HE says, of course to benefit the other parties. What we get in return to help those make "business" are butterflies ! :D LOL
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 1:42 pm
I've always thought of this site as some sort of model copying AOhelL , very similar in many ways plus added the "doing good" factor. Were there also a possibility to function as ISP, my guess is C2/Randy would!
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:19 pm

“Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.” Steve Jobs
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:28 pm
Rip Steve! (yes, I promise, when your stuff is GMO-free(no China slave labor) I'll get my book Pro and will always praise you!)
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:32 pm

Thanks, Angie . . . just trying to encourage folks to keep the faith, and not listen to those who relish telling them "It can't be done."



 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:38 pm
Steve Jobs is dead because he made the wrong decision...

His choice I agree but it did it make him correct

nor will equating this with heroics

just the real world so ask you about this dialogue you wish, whom will pay staff to answer just 1 question each from 5 million member before they scream they are being ignored
 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:42 pm
Steve proved being stubborn and refusing treatment based on his belief that Veganism would cure his cancer is a great lesson.

should it be promoted?
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:42 pm

Oh, for heaven's sake.

This is a "quote" that I felt was inspirational. It has nothing to do with who said it . . . Almost every successful endeavor in this world was accomplished after several failures.

 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:46 pm
The more modern, sophisticated and up-to-date maintenance the software and the clearer the terms, the less questions will there be from members.
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 2:51 pm

Just saying, "It'll never work" is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Why belong to a site that encourages its members to "make a difference" if you don't believe in even trying; and prefer to sit on the sidelines ridiculing those who are?

Every significant improvement to voting rights, civil rights, gender equality, sexual orientation, animal rights, et al. took years and years of repeatedly stating what is wrong and what should be done.

 

Shirley S. (172)
Monday February 3, 2014, 3:43 pm
648 signatures so far. Need to get the 1000
 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 4:10 pm
What part of this is a business that's main goal is profit do you not get? It has nothing to do with any rights other than business rights

Have you walked into your local grocery store to protest what they sell? No you have choice and the same is true here, you ask me why I stay I ask you the same.
 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 4:19 pm
Carole the site is here to make a difference in world events, rights and law via providing tools not to change a private business plan
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 4:24 pm

Please read previous comments. This was explained before.

Care2 derives its income from advertisers; and the advertisers are attracted to Care2 due to the number of their members; their members are attracted to Care2 because it provides them with the tools needed for them to accomplish change, as well as a way to discuss topics of interest with like-minded others.

Care2 understands that it's important for members to be happy because, without them, they would cease to have advertisers (= income).

Do you really fail to understand the significance of a good reputation to any business? People stay here, in spite of the fact that some changes should be made, because they have spent years building relationships here and Care2 has become an important part of their daily routine.

And they attempt to make management understand their disappointment about certain procedures by bringing them to their attention through a democratic process called "petition." (A process which is apparently endorsed by Care2 because they have their own PetitionSite.)

Please see the above comment (in its entirety):

"Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:20 pm

I want to address the point that Care2 is a business and can do what they wish because we don't pay for our membership. There are ways, as are pointed out in the petition (for those who read it), of paying that aren't necessarily monetary. Care2, obviously, understands that the more members they have, the more attractive the site is to advertisers."

Most single-owner businesses also understand that contented, appreciated employees can effect the bottom line. In fact, many studies have been made about the subject. Here is one posted in Huff Post:

A Happy Worker Is a Productive Worker

Unhappiness among workers in America is costing a shocking $300 billion per year in lost productivity, the Gallup-Healthways estimates. The recent Well-Being Index shows that Americans are increasingly unhappy with their jobs and work environments. When people aren't happy with their jobs or their employers, they don't show up consistently, they produce less and their work quality suffers. A 2011 Harvard Business Review article stated that the level of happiness has a profound impact on workers' creativity, productivity, commitment and collegiality."

That's my last response to you.


 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 4:28 pm

And (by the way), I received a green star from Care2 Customer Support for that Sunday February 2, 2014, 4:20 pm comment.

 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 4:59 pm

I really can NOT understand how anyone (members OR management) could be so offended by a request for open dialogue! Isn't THAT the foundation for a healthy relationship???
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:05 pm
Are we now going to war here or what..it's been nice and peaceful so far, let's for heaven's sake keep it that way. Should i get the slightest suspicion that with my signature I was asking to "change a private business plan", then i'd need to have it deleted. I thought transparency was what this is all about. My "consumer rights" if you will, like a food label. We need to know precisely what's in it to decide whether or not to buy it/ stay or leave this site. And if we helped to do good somewhere I would also like to see proof for that. (more than an impact scoreboard or dashboard in just numbers) I haven't the faintest idea to where all my butterfies flew other than into thin air of which money is made, as the saying goes.
 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:22 pm
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.html?gpp=187&pst=1492726&saved=1

4 years ago in F&S look for the same people saying the same thing

You have no relationship with Care2 Carole your a member

Angelika thus topic goes back a decade, I have been here longer and can even tell you why Carole is huffy after she got mad at staff many years ago read the 4 years ago it tastes the same
 

Angelika R. (146)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:26 pm
This thread is not about personal stuff, let's stay some more on topic. I was just puzzled by that remark about changing private business plan. And I don't wish to get tangled up here in what looks like a privat discussion you're having or wanting to have with Carole. I also have more and better work to do here than even more reading and OLD stuff!
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:30 pm

It's sad when people who haven't the ability to debate the real subject here need to resort to personal attacks and accusations.

How does that explain over 600 other members (many of whom I don't know) having similar circumstances, and signing the petition because of that?



 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:36 pm

And, you're right, Angie.

I have no desire to discuss anything with Bill, here or privately, and it is definitely becoming off-topic (and probably boring to those who care about this matter).

No more from me on that.

 

Bill C. (354)
Monday February 3, 2014, 5:42 pm
back to my first comment

waste of time

the real subject is Z no matterr how the originator masks it same for the current thread in FS and all the netmail asking people to come here to bring Z bac
 

JL A. (274)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:38 pm
Some of the flavor of comments here are much like what happens in the workplace when a person is there one day and gone the next without any announcements of retirement, taking a new job, etc. It unsettles everyone and makes them feel more vulnerable in case it means something that could also happen to them--especially when management is silent, which would be required if it involved something confidential like health, a complaint investigation, etc. One of the elements often is questioning what to trust.

Other content suggests the concerns and trust issues may have begun many years ago and just resurfaced with a new incident and may not have been sufficiently addressed and many are hoping for an opportunity to resolve in a win-win way for all. Others apparently do not have any hope of anything changing. I believe we all should respect both opinions and refrain from personal attacks against those with whom we disagree.
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 6:40 pm

Wise advice, Judi.

Thank you.

 

Carrie B. (300)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:43 pm
I too keep getting "invitations" to visit this link. I am not interested in the petty disagreements some of you seem to thrive on. And I have to say that I hear one very loud voice here who has a very personal vendetta not known about by some of you you. May I suggest you all take a good look at your motives before continuing with this temper tantrum? You quite obviously have way too much time on your hands. It's a pity because there many WORTHWHILE causes and fights that you could be spending your time on ~ rather than this drivel.

You ask care2 to be transparent yet the author of this petition doesn't even have the guts to put his/her name on the petition, and no one will say that this is because of Zen. Zen knows why she was suspended and we all know she had been warned. For some strange reason, she like many others here, feel they are above the rules we are all supposed to follow. If you want o help your friend ~ butt out and let her deal with this on her own with care2. It is no one else's business.
 

JL A. (274)
Monday February 3, 2014, 7:52 pm
I will repeat:
"many are hoping for an opportunity to resolve in a win-win way for all. Others apparently do not have any hope of anything changing. I believe we all should respect both opinions and refrain from personal attacks against those with whom we disagree."
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:00 pm
Thank you Marie-Apolina - signed, noted
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:15 pm

657 signers. Let's reach 1,000!

 

Suheyla C. (229)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:39 pm
666 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:41 pm

hehehehe . . . Thanks, Suheyla.

 

jess b (22)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:42 pm
278 NOTES. 666 SIGNATURES.
278 NOTES 666 SIGNATURES
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:43 pm

*hug* Jess!

 

Suheyla C. (229)
Monday February 3, 2014, 8:48 pm
670 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:29 pm
673 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Just Carole (341)
Monday February 3, 2014, 9:36 pm

I have to go to bed.

But, before doing so, I wanted to thank you for being supportive friends, and understanding that this petition is a way to rebuild many damaged bridges.

You're the BEST!

 

Shan D. (49)
Monday February 3, 2014, 10:29 pm
"I came back here to return a star and got a pop-up to play Mobo (whatever that is) and it was trying to download. Then I went to my stars page to return other stars and got another pop-up that was hot to download and scan for viruses." (Sandrea S.)

There are some nasty popups on the site lately. I had to spend much of today cleaning out what they left on my computer, so if you've encountered it, make sure to scan and deal with any viruses or malware this stuff left.

"I too keep getting "invitations" to visit this link. I am not interested in the petty disagreements some of you seem to thrive on. And I have to say that I hear one very loud voice here who has a very personal vendetta not known about by some of you you. May I suggest you all take a good look at your motives before continuing with this temper tantrum? You quite obviously have way too much time on your hands. It's a pity because there many WORTHWHILE causes and fights that you could be spending your time on ~ rather than this drivel." (Carrie B.)

The point of all this is that Care2 needs a grievance procedure that is fair and impartial, and not subject to the whims of the management. Right now there isn't one, and it's something we need. It's to *everyone's* benefit - yours included - to have this.
 

Ms Noting Commentator (20)
Monday February 3, 2014, 11:59 pm
Signed!
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 12:34 am
675 signers. Let's reach 1,000
 

Trina Hawkins (24)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 12:59 am
Noted and Signed ! :)
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 4:39 am
Message from Zen:

"Hi, my friends. It's all over, Care2 have deleted my profile. I wondered about being told the other day that my email address was not associated with an account, so I have been doing some checking, and find that my profile is gone altogether.

This should be a link to my news stories, which was available a day or two ago, but is now gone.

http://www.care2.com/news/member/564438361...ubmitted&page=7

And my Shares are also gone, all the link I have go to nowhere, or to a page like this one.

http://www.care2.com/c2c/share/sharebook/5...g&tag=billboard

How cynical of them to do this while the petition is circulating.

And meanwhile I'm being smeared by posters in the F&S group and I have no chance to answer the accusations.

All my years of work at Care2, all gone.

I can't deal with this any more, it's making me too stressed, and I have a lot of problems here at home as well.

I am giving up, sorry."
 

Dandelion G. (374)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 4:54 am
I am sorry too. Unfortunately this is the all too common situation that plays out all over the USA and the world. A Corporate entity, no matter what that entity stands for, giving no regard to individuals and simply eliminates at will. Across the world we see this play out with our foods, our water, our land, homes, education, whatever it is this entity does as it wants.

And just as we see with some people who bad mouth the unemployed, the hungry, the less fortunate who happen to fall on the wrong side of the economic disaster that was created by other men and not because of any major flaw with their own person, we have those who also fail to see the real issue that was behind all of this. This truly is a sad update.
 

Apolonia Pl (403)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 5:06 am
New thread:

http://www.care2.com/news/member/632688960/3715830

Be hurry to join until it exists...
I'm afraid Zen can't see it, so maybe somebody can save it ?...
Than we could send her that via e-mail...
 

Sandrea S. (205)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 5:14 am
I'm so sorry for Zen. What a slow, painful method of eliminating our most helpful friend :(
 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (78)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 5:41 am
It's one thing to say that Zen deserved to be punished, which is an opinion -albeit one I don't agree with- but quite another to insult those of us seeking an improvement in management/member relations, via an impartial grievance procedure and/or the means of having the views of members taken into consideration. Achieving this rational, reasonable, WORTHWHILE objective is qualified as "petty disagreements some of you seem to thrive on"! or, better yet, a 'temper tantrum'. And still more offensive language: "drivel"! Really?

Who are you to insult us? Who are you to be so offensive towards us?

What presumption! What a nerve! What gives you the right to flex your superiority complex towards contributors to this thread? Where is the respect that we -including you, like it or not- owe fellow members? You haven't got an iota of respect for us! Isn't that part of the Code of Conduct & general rules you accuse us of thinking WE'RE above?
 

Monika V. (399)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 5:49 am

SHAME ON ALL WHO ARE REPONSIBLE FOR THIS DESPICABLE ACT TO DELETE (!!!) ZEN FROM THE SITE !!!!!!!!!!

TO DESTROY THE MANY YEARS OF HARD WORK !!!!!!!!

I feel so disgusted that I could vomit


 

LucyKaleido ScopeEyes (78)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 6:01 am
Good grief!

My '5:41 am' comment comes in at a weird moment -- totally unrelated & seemingly oblivious to the BAD NEWS BREAKING-- because none of the other comments -starting with Apolonia's Tuesday February 4, 2014, 4:39 am "Message from Zen"- were there when I started composing it: I went off to have lunch & then returned to post it, without seeing what had occurred in the meantime!

"Disgusted" is the word that comes to mind, for me, too.

This is so sad & so wrong...
I am really heartbroken.
 

Ben Oscarsito (351)
Tuesday February 4, 2014, 7:22 am
684 signatures, will we have a thousand by christmas...?