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What You Don't See in Media About Gaza


World  (tags: HumanRights, video, Pillaar of Cloud, media, war, middle-east, Gaza )

Kathleen
- 630 days ago - mwcnews.net
Video from Gaza during recent Israeli "Pillar of Cloud" assault. It shows 18 minutes of the terror and heroism, as women try to get their children to safety and others try to put out fires & rescue people from the rubble, it is like being there.



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mag.w.d. Aichberger (34)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 5:54 pm
bookmarked.
downloading backup.
how long until it will be taken down off da ogle/ADL/.. tube ?

 

Hadschi Halef Omar (9)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 6:02 pm
...brought to Gaza courtesy of, supported and financed (>3G$/year) by the brave U.$.A, predominantly using U.S.A.-supplied weapons, supplied DESPITE repeated UN-resolutions and calls from Human Rights Orgs. for an arms embargo.

 

Kathleen B. (37)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 6:21 pm
Frack, thanks for reminder, forgot how quick it can happen if too many view.
Omer, did you see the stop the Blank Check article, don't know link but is on front page here on U.S.politics?
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 8:00 pm

Graphic (and necessarily so).

Our media coverage (usually only numbers of casualties/fatalities and a few carefully-selected still photographs of the resulting heartbreak and terror) sanitizes the carnage.

More people should see the immediate nightmarish horrors of war on the civilians "up close and personal" after an attack.

Thanks for sharing this, Kate.

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 9:05 pm

Here, in the U.S., we have not had an actual war on our land since 1865 (although we have done more than our share to facilitate them in other countries -- and most times, not for noble reasons).

As such, there are no Americans alive today who personally remember the tragic heartbreak of local war and rebuilding/losing their native land. We do, however, have generations of young men and women who have died, and/or are physically and mentally scarred, by their involvement in and memories of these seemingly ceaseless conflicts.

I try to remember that when I hear flippant remarks glorifying the strength of our military. So much is propagandized about America's righteous intervention on behalf of whatever side they wish to support, that we choose not to see the nightmares we inflict upon the civilians, who have loved ones and familial history and property -- now lost -- and who are left feeling horrendous pain, and resultant resentment and hatred, toward those who allied to cause their destruction.

The tactic of using wide-spread propaganda to dehumanize the enemy, and fear-mongering the threat that "we" may be the next target, has been proven to be quite effective when used by governments wishing to have their citizens willingly relinquish all power to the governing bodies.

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 9:23 pm
One of my favorite articles on war (bookmarked for my future reference):
War Is Sin (from Canadians Against War)
(Posted June 1, 2009)
 
 
 


 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 9:29 pm
 
One of my favorite quotes from that article . . . and mind you, I am an agnostic, not a "believer" in any religion:
 
"War is always about betrayal. It is about betrayal of the young by the old, of cynics by idealists, and of soldiers and Marines by politicians. Society's institutions, including our religious institutions, which mold us into compliant citizens, are unmasked. This betrayal is so deep that many never find their way back to faith in the nation or in any god. They nurse a self-destructive anger and resentment, understandable and justified, but also crippling. Ask a combat veteran struggling to piece his or her life together about God and watch the raw vitriol and pain pour out. They have seen into the corrupt heart of America, into the emptiness of its most sacred institutions, into our staggering hypocrisy, and those of us who refuse to heed their words become complicit in the evil they denounce."
 
 
 

Rebecca S. (61)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 10:06 pm
and its sad to think that this is the situation in which they live every day of their lives.
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 10:20 pm

So true, Rebecca.

I, for one, do not want to be complicit in continuing the evil -- for less than righteous reasons.

It astounds me constantly how -- those who DO believe in Christianity, or any other religion based upon the 10 Commandments -- continue to support this horror.

 
The Ten Commandments Listed

Following are the Ten Commandments listed in Exodus 20 as given to the Children of Israel at Mount Sinai. The Ten Commandments are also found in Deuteronomy 5. The Ten Commandments here are presented in eight different versions of the Bible and three columns for side-by-side comparison.
 
"6.  Thou shalt not kill."
 
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 10:31 pm

I would prefer to think that those chosen to govern countries, many of which have amassed great wealth -- due, in large part, to the contributions of their citizens -- would exercise conscionable wisdom and judgment for all parties, by restraining from the use of violence, and employing every other non-violent means possible, to create worldwide unity, while sustaining from murder to accomplish their peaceful objectives.

 

Just Carole (338)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 10:38 pm

I'm sorry (not). But it just seems like common sense (which should not be confusingly and unnecessarily complicated by one-sided justifications by the combatants) that, TALK IT OUT!

Come to an immediate, and sensible, resolution!

In the end, that's what will happen anyway.

Why not cut to the chase before any more innocents are murdered?

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Thursday December 6, 2012, 11:17 pm
You'd have to be mentally deranged to do this to people.
 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Friday December 7, 2012, 12:52 am
Israhell is no chosen people of God when this is what they do to our brothers/sisters in Palestine! Horrific to view the video! Thanks for posting Kate as it is only by seeing this that some will know what goes on. Thanks Carole for the forward. I also will forward to others. God Bless Palestine!
 

Arild Warud (163)
Friday December 7, 2012, 2:23 am
I've seen this before,if you take a look at the upper right part of the screen you'll see NRK 1 ( Norwegian Broadcating Corporation ).That's why the Israeli's call us anti-semitic.To bad you don't have a free press in the USA. Free Palestine!!!
Thanks for the post Kate.
 

ParsifalOFFLINE S. (100)
Friday December 7, 2012, 7:32 am
Sun Tsu - all war is based on deception
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:17 am
"War is organised murder, and nothing else" - Harry Patch, Brit. first World War veteran, died 2009
 

Elizabeth S. (149)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:17 am
OMG !!! This is outright murder beyond belief !! The people in this video are heroes. Israel...SHAME...SHAME on your military for the murder and undue duress imposed on these good and innocent people whom are just trying to live their lives. We are all brothers and sisters on this Earth. Whomever is flying these planes has no dignity or conscience and are taking orders from the devils imps. Kate, thanks for the eye opener, may many see and know what is truly going on. Thanks to Carole for the forward as well.
 

Athanassia M. (25)
Friday December 7, 2012, 11:04 am
I am so mad with the Israeli's. They took the Palestinian's land little by little years ago, settling by force in their homeland and trying to throw them out of there, and thats why they are causing this huge massacre against civilians and mostly against little children.They want to dissapear them completely from the map. Their arms and military power cant' be compared, thanks to USA once again.
If humanity permits these wars (Syria's also) and doesn't stop this insanity with all the effective powers every country has, I'm afraid we all will face a 4rth world war, ending in a global destruction.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday December 7, 2012, 12:07 pm
Sorry guys, I can't trust a video, manufactured in Pallywood.

Again and again, Islamist PR workers make movies of fake tragedies and use them to advance their cause, no matter how many times they are caught lying.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Friday December 7, 2012, 3:34 pm
Thanks to everyone for your amazing support. I wish I could respond individually but I've had delivery failure two days in a row & I'm posting from Care2 since Just C gave me a heads up about not posting from my personal email account.
It seems very selective, but my computer is 8 years old & crashes on Care2 routinely (shock wave plug in failure) I actually have better luck on an old dial up account I keep, but can't stand the delays.

That's the end of my whining, apologize again. kateb.
 

Michael Carney (209)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:23 pm
It just seems to me, that the Israeli Government, is trying to do to the Palestinians, what the Nazi's did to the Jewish People in Europe during World War II...I can't understand why they would be a party to genocide, especially since that's what the Nazi's were trying to do to them...War and destruction is not the answer, acceptance, and Peace is the only thing they seem not to have tried...
 

Abo r. (101)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:30 pm
Yes and of course he will say : ( Sorry guys, I can't trust a video, manufactured in Pallywood.) , as he blindly supports his beloved ones and supports thier crimes..

Every one here and everywhere , your governments control the media and prevents the publication of the TRUTH of what the idf IS DOING ....
THE VIDEO IS TRUE AND A PICTURE OF A SIDE OF WHAT THE IDF IS DOING, PICTURE SPEAKS DESTRUCTING EVERY THING HOUSES OVER THE BABIES, CHILDREN , WOMEN .

THE SITUATION OF EL DALLOU FAMILY AND AL SALEH FAMILY AS AN EXAMPLE IS WORSE .THAN WHAT IS IN THIS VIDEO.AND SO TERRIBLE CANNOT STAND IT .
Have you saw the babies, children , the girle child carrying her brother who is injured and asking for his mother , this is a true picture

.Do not what hearts .does the IDF and the IDF Leadrs has ????Are they humans????

Thank you Kate for posting the TRUTH and Reality and thanks Henriette for forwarding.

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:38 pm
We know it's true, Abo ♡
 

Abo r. (101)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:42 pm
I am sure Sandrea you know that the video its true, and the IDF supporters try to hide the facts , if they were centuries before nowadays will never be able to hide the IDF crimes.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:52 pm
Abo, we here in the US have been drinking the poisoned koolaid of propaganda all of my long life. Journalists must toe the line or face severe consequences of being smeared + lose their public platform in many cases.

Look at the disrespectful treatment of former President Jimmy Carter for his book that had apartheid in the title. Israelis acknowledge the apartheid and in recent polls say they want it that way and that non Jews shouldn't have the same rights and priveleges as the Israelis.

The adage 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely' has certainly been recorded historically across the centuries.
The most cynical thing is that Israelis have found a new way to capitalize on their imprisoned Gazans guinea pigs: research into urban warfare translates into money for Israeli security and surveillance systems. The testing of new devastating weapons also makes them money for medical research. After the Pillar of Cloud attack doctors noted symptoms they've NEVER seen before, including burns to the bone and the skin turning blue on some of the wounded. Many amputations occurred. If you're lucky enough to acquire a wheel chair how could you use it in rubble?
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Friday December 7, 2012, 4:58 pm
With the internet the world is watching. It's unfortunate that it took this long to reach the masses. I have been observing the IDF lies continuously on Twitter....they don't fool many, and we let them know.
The first big step in the right direction has been acheived..... onwards and upwards... You and your good people have MANY on your side :)
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Friday December 7, 2012, 5:30 pm
The truth always comes out eventually, I believe the tide has irrevokably turned, the only questions remaining is how much more blood will be spilled? Israel has become a world pariah and will be increasingly isolated. BDS is having an impact an is a grassroots movement. The people of the world are now aware except for USA and Israel.
 

Susan Lane (6)
Friday December 7, 2012, 5:51 pm
when will we learn, how many more people must die
 

Abo r. (101)
Friday December 7, 2012, 8:20 pm
I can say it loudly with very high voice and I believe many will say so across the world countries that the blood will continue be spilled every where in the world as far as zionest occupying theminds of the US leaders minds and the US leaders still runing for its mony and votes , the blood will continue spiled as long as the US backes the IDF by moey, weapons, politically by putting preasure on other countries to support the IDF and by the vito in SC.

when will we learn ??? it is a big question : all are learning 24 x 7 a weak at least and from each act we do we learn but the question is when will we have love in our hearts if we have hearts ??? when will we be human beings not human doing , when we take hate out of our herts and remove the black dark eye glsses away ...
also when we have the concept and attitude of treating others in the way we want them to treat us..
The people will continue murdered , killed and become disabled till those criminals stop suckling the blood oh humans and when they stop enjoying killing and looking at the spilled blood from children, women, aged ... etc.
 

Abo r. (101)
Friday December 7, 2012, 8:26 pm
When we (the people in the world wide ) will respect love and hate the hate , and build up real friendships and relationships based on love , trust and justice and love to others as much as we love to ourselves.
 

Joy Wong (76)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:20 pm
It is so heartbreaking to see innocent people .. women and children suffer like this. Will it ever stop?
 

Ros G. (90)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:32 pm
MAINTAIN THE RAGE ALL YOU GOOD PEOPLE - PALESTINE NEEDS YOU - THE WORLD IS WATCHING ABO R, thanks for the forward and many thanks for all those wonderful comments. Bob Algeron you are so predictable - I saw a REAL fake video out of Israel during this period - 3 women and a child crouching next to a wall during a rocket attack - not a hair out of place, no dust, no damage, no noise just plain bad acting.
 

Just Carole (338)
Friday December 7, 2012, 9:45 pm

Odd that you should mention that, Ros.

Just today, as I travelled through the "Newly Submitted" news stories, I noticed how many postings were of isolated incidents around the world -- of abuse to dogs/cats/rabbits/geese . . .

Very little questioning going on there about the validity of the stories -- but, should you post a story about the horrific suffering of civilians in a war-torn land, it's immediately suspect as to the source???

(What kind of non-contributing and unconscientious humans have we become?)

 

Ros G. (90)
Friday December 7, 2012, 10:10 pm
Many thanks Carole - the item I refer to was actually shown on a TV News Broadcast. The "Newly Submitted" items are by our "friend" Beth S...still spruiking her hate..trying to scare the living daylights out of us....this is what Islam is going to do to us...when they take over the World...Only Israel is stopping them...If your lucky enough to be on her friends list she will bombard you with this stuff - gross cruelity to animals, rape of our women and children...she does have a following Ummmm which reminds me I wonder if Bob Algeron is one of them. Yes, Humans are funny creatures
 

Robert O. (12)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 12:19 am
Thanks Kate.
 

Penny C. (79)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 6:39 am
Thank you for posting this.So very sad.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 11:45 am
I know there will always be the ones to say there are two sides to every story. Yes, there is. But what I see in this video certainly would not been seen on National TV here in the USA. It wouldn't be shown even if the Pope himself said it was the real deal.

What I do see is people so poor that they are trying to put fires out with garden hoses and small fire extinguishers. I can not imagine nor do I ever want to know what it would be like to having this chaos occuring around me, seeing mutilated bodies, children screaming and crying, men carrying limp bodies of children who were found inside the buildings that were bombed, not knowing when or where the next explosion is going to happen. It is told to us, only military targets are gone after, why would children be in there if it is only military.

I know, it's the children to the enemy, or they place families nearby as Shields, I suspect some will say. None the less children are being killed due to MEN for the most part, that can't learn to sit down and figure things out without their fists, anger, and various war machines. That women bury more children, more brothers, and many of their own due to male testosterone that can't be kept in check.

These actions are not good for the people shown in this video nor is it good for Israel and I'm sorry that my own Country is doing the same thing with drones in other Countries and taxes from here are supporting the weapons in this area the film showed. I wouldn't mind if our tax monies were going to peaceful solutions, that we were helping to educate the children in a Country. That Malala Yousafzai, the young girl in Pakistan that just got shot in the head, said in so many words that educating not bombing changes people.

Why two Countries living nearby couldn't all benefit from exchanging of ideas, culture, the arts, music, dance, and so on and so forth is beyond me. Shooting each other, tearing their homes down, creating another generation of fear and hatred towards one another has gotten no one anywhere for so long and will continue to not serve anyone on either side of the story as they say. This is not one of my stronger points in knowing who is doing what or how it all got started between these two Countries, I just know in my heart it needs to stop.

Watching these heartbroken Mothers and Fathers, these children being traumatized and terrorized, the little ones at the end dead, for what? These children don't know all of the history of why things happen by adults, they just want a chance to live, just to live. Go to school, love their parents, play with a doll or their dog, just the basic in life simple pleasures. Can't the adults put down their wars and start building to peace, and I include my own Leaders in this who go year after year with another misadventure into the vision of war year after year.

And yes, there always seems to be more outrage and concern over the animals than human beings. I am very fond of the animals and they certainly need to be protected, but I've sent stories out on children that need our help and a petition with it, that hardly will get a notice while an animal will race to the top with all sorts of signatures. I wish we had at least equal compassion for both.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 2:36 pm
Of course there are two sides to every story, but unfortunately we in US have only heard the Israeli/US gov. narrative all of my life.
The question we need to ask, seems to me, is why is it important for Americans to hate Muslims and Arabs and why is it important for the Muslims and Arabs to hate Americans? Remember the adage "Who benefits?"

Who benefits from applying the war tactic of divide and conquer between Muslims, Arabs and USAns?
Two peoples could definitely live in security and peace, after all Ishmael and Isaac were both the sons of Abraham, brothers.
All that is needed is the will to make it so, and so far Netanyahu has insisted that the world bow to Israeli demands of what they want, want they need. I believe the Israelis need to join with their neighbors in obeying the rules of international law.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 2:42 pm
Hi Dandelion, I posted a story yesterday about an animal rights org. called Certified Humane. It got exactly two comments (one of which was me), while this story made the US News front page. I didn't even go look to see if anyone noted the animal rights article, which was really a well done video, imho.
I am dedicated to animal rights but I think this is good news?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:13 pm
Yes Carole, when stories about the suffering of Israelis is put up you are totally uninterested. You are also uninterested in the suffering of Muslims or of non-Muslims in Muslim controlled countries. I have yet to see any condemnation of the suffering of Palestinians in Muslim controlled lands in the Middle East. I have not seen any comments about why the Palestinians do not live in the land allocated to them, Transjordan now Jordan.

Yes, I question what kind of person you, and many other people, on this board are.

Hamas / Gaza Fires Rockets At Jerusalem Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thp8uapv5zA

What you do see and won't accept are the years of suffering in Israel as Hamas targets schools, nurseries etc as well as just in general, the Post Traumatic Stress suffered by thousands of Israelis. I hear from people that only a few people were killed, I can only assume that you mean that, as Israelis (not necessarily Jews) their lives suffering are worth less than Palestinians. Which again leads me to ask what kind of people you are to measure one against another.

I put the blame on people like Abbas, Arafat and groups such as Hamas who use and abuse their own people. They teach hatred, will not negotiate in good faith and use the Palestinians as human shields. The money for the Gazans welfare does not reach them (went on weapons and funding terrorists) although most live well with fully laden markets, gourmet restaurant, luxury spas, shopping malls, leisure facilities and 5* hotels. They even drive red sports cars. Those that live near the access (controlled by Hamas and not Israel) live in terrible conditions as the building materials goes on weapon installations. Not one of you has ever condemned any of these abuses although each of you knows that it is happening. It also makes you partly responsible because you allowing them to abuse their own without condemnation encourages them to continue. Your double standards and hypocrisy leap off the page.

And, when you have finished patting yourselves on the back about how wonderful you are over supporting the poor down trodden Muslims, spare a thought for the Christians being killed, maimed, raped and abused by Muslims. Or the Hindus. Or the Jews (I know, a dirty word). Or even the Assyrians. Or the 20 million slaves that are in the Middle Eastern Muslim controlled lands.
 

Alexa R. (333)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:21 pm
Kate B. (14)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 2:36 pm
Of course there are two sides to every story, but unfortunately we in US have only heard the Israeli/US gov. narrative all of my life.

~~~~~~~~~~~

Lucky you, as someone originally from Europe and UK, my whole life I've only had the anti-Israel/anti-Semitic narrative thrashed down my throat .. (luckily for me, not by my immediate family, just the media, school, university, etc).

I actually had to go to Israel to see, hear and experience things for myself before I realised just how many anti-Semitic lies I've been fed all my life ..
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:21 pm
Carole, sorry, I forgot. You consider having to answer questions on the truth as baiting.

No, you are being asked to look at the real truth about Palestinian suffering, genuine suffering, but you won't, will you? You, and the rest of you, blame Israel and not the true perpetrators. Not one of you has any interest in any other religious or other ethnic form of suffering or even those of Muslims. A caring and compassionate person would be working to help all of these people as well as bringing their suffering to the attention of people on care2. I note that so few people are interested in Muslim suffering if they are not Gazans. Nor in other human suffering.

I will ask again, what kind of person are you?
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:24 pm

You have no invitation, nor personal knowledge, to qualify yourself to define me.

As such, please limit your comments to matters of which you are knowledgeable.

Thank you.

 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:28 pm
Athanassia, Try understanding the history and law behind Israel before making incorrect statements. Israel belongs legally to Israel and not to the Palestinians, they rejected the land back in 1948 and this was confirmed by an international court of law. Judea and Samaria are disputed territory but legitimately belong to Israel after the 1967 War.

There are many other disputed lands that no-one cares about, Cyprus and Tibet are just 2 examples. In fact, most of the Middle East is made up of land grabbed by Muslims so why don't they hand it back? It is the double standards that are applied by people such as yourself and the UN which makes Israel the bad guy, and that is not the truth.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:31 pm

And, once again, and again, and again . . .

Please refrain from from unfounded presumptions.

Argue the issue, without diverting attention from it with personal analyses of intent. (Ad hominem attacks are the favored choice of those who cannot respond with genuine information to the real subject being addressed.)

Source: Debate 1.01





 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:32 pm
Carole, your very statements show exactly what you are and your refusal to condemn any Muslim abuse amplify them.

 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:34 pm
Carole, so, when will you answer the questions that I put to you on a regular basis?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:35 pm
By the way, each comment offers information that you ignore, why is that?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:36 pm
Carole, you condemn Israel, why not Hamas? Or Hezbollah? Or Abbas?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:38 pm
Carole, why don't you answer serious questions or comment on the information provided? All of them are based on the news article but amplify other suffering. Can you not do so?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:38 pm
Argument 101, if you can't answer the questions or counter the truth, ignore them.
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:44 pm
Then answer the questions I put to you or respond to the comments, or haven't you either read or understood them?
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:47 pm

Try to sound this out -- read it a few times (and hopefully, understand it) . . . Your questions have NOTHING to do with this article, and as such, are off-topic and personal.)

 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:51 pm
It seems that I ask questions and give information that you cannot answer or respond to, they are related to this article as well as about it. That doesn't make me a baiter, it just makes me more knowledgeable, better informed.

Argument 101, pretend it isn't relevant so you don't have to answer any question or respond to any information.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:54 pm

(Unbelievable!)

 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:54 pm
OK, you aren't interested in Palestinian suffering in Muslim controlled lands (an extrapolation) you are not interested in Muslim or non-Muslim suffering. Abbas has nothing to do with Gaza neither does Hamas, the suffering or lack of suffering in Gaza or even the suffering of Israelis by attacks by Hamas.
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:56 pm
What are you interested in?
 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 3:59 pm
Sadly, it seems that you are uninterested in Palestinian suffering and you are defintely not interested in Israeli suffering.
 

Just Carole (338)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:01 pm

MORE of the personal, off-topic, questions?

(shaking my head)

While you may think you are "more knowledgeable, better informed," I'm afraid that it's not true when it comes to my personal knowledge and likes/dislikes.

That is an area that, undeniably, only *I* am an expert about.

Could you PULEEZ discuss the subject of this submission? This is NOT 20 Questions.

 

Ge M. (217)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:02 pm
"It astounds me constantly how -- those who DO believe in Christianity, or any other religion based upon the 10 Commandments -- continue to support this horror."

Silence and support of terrorists/terrorism against Israel and Palestinians allows this horror to continue. Hypocrisy rules.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:12 pm

A 6 minute animated introduction about Isreal and Palestine.
(Presented by: http://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y58njT2oXfE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
 

Jane Mckenzie (20)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 4:38 pm
awful - make it stop
 

Iona Kentwell (134)
Saturday December 8, 2012, 6:01 pm
The damage inflicted in this ongoing war is horrendous. The personal view is what is needed for us to understand and care. It is too easy to listen to the rhetoric and not put ourselves in the position of others. I can't imagine living like this. Yes both sides have committed atrocities and if you know the history it is very easy to throw stones and apportion blame however that won't bring solutions. An eye for an eye doesn't work it just makes everyone blind. Other countries should be helping with peace talks, not with weapons.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:17 am

Straight from a pallywood script-- Cecil B Demille would be proud

The chaos, explosive fear on the old women and the children tear at the heart. And amidst the ravaging turmoil the men pull hoses and climb ladders in the vain attempt to salvage a home.--

A Gaza weapons dump exploding is not a pretty sight and the hordes of sightseers (or looters) would indicate that they knew there would be no more,that the mission was accomplished and unlike the Israelis they did not fear an attack against civilians
and the delusionists ectasize





– العلم Al-'Alam – Knowledge: i.e., that Allah knows what His creation will do, by virtue of His eternal knowledge, including their choices that will take place.
– كتابة Kitabat – Writing: i.e., that Allah has written every thing that exists including the destiny of all creatures in al-Lauh al-Mahfuz prior to creation.
– مشيئة Mashii'at – Will: i.e., that what Allah wills happens and what He does not will does not happen. There is no movement in the heavens or on earth but happens by His will. This does not mean that He forces things to happen the way they happen in the area of human beings' voluntary actions. It means that He knew what they will chose, wrote it and now lets it happen, and He can always change it if He wants.
– الخلق Al-Khalaq – Creation and formation: i.e., that Allah is the Creator of all things, including the actions of His servants. They do their actions in a real sense, and Allah is the Creator of them and of their actions.

It is after all alla's will that we see enacted


 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 2:42 am
Incredible how all of you who claim to care so much for human rights etc don't seem to bat an eye at the daily rockets (almost 13000 since 2000) the Hamas terrorists have lobbed into Israel. What would your countries have done about that if 45% of them had been under terrorist rocket daily attack? Oh, of course, that would be different since you're not Jews. Fortunate for Israel that it has a rocket defense system that stops many of them or the destruction and death toll would be huge, but you wouldn't care about that would you?

None of you care a whit about the corrupt and brutal Hamas Islamist dictatorship that terrorizes the people of Gaza persecuting Christians (well, of course among your group they are a group worth persecuting) and Shiias, bringing back barbaric Sharia law with polygamy and forcing all women to wear Islamic coverings or risk beatings in the street or acid in the face. Let's hear your defense of this!

Or Hamas' torture, imprisonment and lynchings of gay people. That must really bring joy to your hateful hearts. Maybe the bloodied body of the little child carried from the Tel Aviv bus bombed by a Hamas terrorist brought a smile to your loving lips? It's funny how the pro-Palestinian news media loves to crowd around to get shots of any injured in Gaza, which many have been faked as even CNN has admitted to falling for, but never show the bodies from Israel from the cowardly Hamas scum who fire their rockets from school yards, neighborhoods and hospital rooftops.

Your willful blindness is sickening. Israel is the only free democracy surrounded by a black hole of hate, intolerance, and barbaric Islamic law. There are 1.6million Arabs living in Israel, the majority of whom do not want to live in a Palestinian state, and they have freedom of religion, yet Gaza and the West Bank, along with all other Muslim occupied lands do not have freedom of religion, speech, conscience or press. Funny how you ignore all that, isn't it.

What a bunch of hypocrites. We're not surprised you couldn't give a damn about gay people being tortured and murdered by Hamas, but it would seem all of you women would at least care about the brutalization of women by these 7th century bigots.

Ros G has never seen an Islamic atrocity she doesn't praise and defend, and she seems to be in good company here. What a bunch of hateful, bigoted hypocrites you are. What do you think will replace Israel if it were to fall to these thugs? Would you then turn a blind eye to yet another Islamic Sharia Hell Hole, like you do to all the others, ignoring the suffering of non-Muslims, women, children, gay people and animals? Of course you would, and do.

Next you'll all be praising the Islamic Dictatorship of Iran too.
 

Carola May (20)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:07 am
I'm not surprised to see the Muslims on here lying and hating Israel and Jews. It's what Islam teaches and you people support this? So much ignorance and hate here!

Here's what Islam and Hamas say. Let's hear all you Israel/Jew haters praise and defend this bigotry:

“The annihilation of the Jews here in Palestine is one of the most splendid blessings for Palestine.”
--- Hamas cleric Muhsen Abu ‘Ita in a televised interview,
cited in TheWall Street Journal, Dec 30, 08

Here's about the Palestinian TV programs that teach children to hate Jews and become martyrs:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1037512/Pictured-The-TV-rabbit-preaching-hatred-telling-young-Muslims-kill-eat-Jews.html

Fathi Hammad, political leader for Hamas, appointed Interior Minister 2009, director of al-Aqsa TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fathi_Hamad)
"For the Palestinian people, death has become an industry, at which women excel, and so do all the people living on this land. The elderly excel at this, and so do the mujahideen and the children. This is why they have formed human shields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the mujahideen, in order to challenge the Zionist bombing machine. It is as if they were saying to the Zionist enemy: 'We desire death like you desire life.'" ("Video: Hamas uses civilians as a means to achieving military goals". Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. 11 January 2009. http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Terrorism-+Obstacle+to+Peace/Hamas+war+against+Israel/Video_civilians_military_goals_Jan+2009.htm.

Bukhari:V4B52N177 "Allah's Apostle(Mohammed) said, 'The Hour will not be established until you fight
with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say.
"O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."'"
(A poll sponsored by the Israel Project found that 73 percent of Palestinian Arabs “believe” this Hadith, according to the findings of a July 2011 study by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner)

There are so many more just like these. But I doubt it would make any difference with you who have chosen to hate Israel and praise oppression and hate.

Jerusalem was founded by Jews 3000 years ago and Muslims invaded, conquered and occupied it for centuries, even destroying the Christians' holy Church of the Holy Sepulcher over Christ's tomb. And to really show their contempt for Jews the Muslims desecrated the Jews' holiest site, the Temple Mount, by building their Dome of the Rock (covered with Arabic writing spewing Islam's hate verses about Jews and Christians) and the al Aqsa mosque, and they won't even allow Jews to stand on this site and pray! Where is your outrage?.

And the Jews have allowed this abomination to remain! If Jews had conquered Arabia and built their Temple in Meccah over the big mosque and the ancient pagan Ka'aba you know very well that Muslims would tear it down, burn every Torah and synagogue and kill every Jew in the world over that! That is that difference. Where is your outrage over this Muslim occupation and desecration of Jerusalem?

Israel has made the desert blossom and has contributed great scientific and medical discoveries for the benefit of all humankind. 14 million Jews have earned 185 Nobel Prizes, mostly for science and medicine, while 1.4 Billion Muslims have produced nothing but stonings, hangings, burqas, persecution of all non-Muslims and suffocated the human imagination for centuries. Of all those Muslims there have only been a mere 10 Nobel Prizes, most for peace, and most of those winners have been persecuted for not being 'real' Muslims. And this is what you are supporting and defending? Why don't you care about all these Muslims that are oppressed and brutalized? Incredible.
 

Rob and Jay B. (122)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:11 am
Here are just a few of the faked Palestinian 'deaths' and 'injuries', some have been copied in Syria by the Hamas creator the Muslim Brotherhood and their Saudi-backed 'rebels' trying to create another Islamic Sharia state and drive out all non-Muslims (you'll all love that, of course):

FAKED CORPSE, DROPPED, GETS UP AND BACK ON STRETCHER:
http://youtu.be/xRz5WnHemkw
‘PALLYWOOD: TRUTH IN THE MIDDLE EAST’ VIDEO SHOWING THE FAKE PALI INJURIES/DEATHS USED BY THE WESTERN MEDIA & SHOWN AS TRUTH:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys&feature=colike

BEHIND THE SCENES: PALESTINIAN DEMONSTRATIONS – CHILDREN PUSHED TO TAUNT IDF SOLDIERS TO TRY TO MAKE THEM REACT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=colike

CNN RECANTS, BBC DOES NOT AND REUTERS, THE SOURCE OF FAKE VIDEO, CLAIMS IT DOESN’T EVEN KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM! (11/18/12)
http://honestreporting.com/update-bbc-and-cnn-react-to-pallywood-video-footage/
HERE’S THE VIDEO:
http://youtu.be/kvaUmIB87-M
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:17 am
It's not Pallywood or bogus footage, any idiot can see it's real footage.
That isn't even the point though. The point is it's not shown on mainstream media. Sure it should be, just like whatever damage is done in Israel by Hamas rockets. Then what? For many people, it just makes them madder and scream for revenge if they're Palestinian or Israelis. Most people know what hundreds of rockets will do when fired into cities.
Human beings operate on a 'look at what you did to me which now justifies what I will do to you' basis that goes around in endless circles, back and forth.

You have hate-mongers on both sides of this. Nuke anyone who has Islam as their religion and nuke Israel and all the Jews (reductum in extremis).
 

Kenneth L. (314)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:21 am
And I'm talking about THIS article's footage, nothing else. So don't even start with me.
 

Ge M. (217)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 8:41 am
Kenneth, Israel has suffered for years before taking any action to protect itself. I put up an alternative video to show what happens. I will repeat what everyone chooses to ignore, it is HAMAS that is the problem in this case and without these terrorist groups there would be far fewer issues.

However, the people on this board continue to vilify and blame Israel for every Palestinian death making it clear that Israeli deaths and suffering are of no or little consequence.

I repeat, as I do regularly, the suffering of those in Gaza can be laid at the feet of Abbas (who should not be in power, his time was finished over 3 years ago) and Hamas. The money for Palestinian welfare is, by far and away, the largest amount per head of any refugee. In fact, Palestinians are no longer refugees except that they have been made that way by their own people. This money does not benefit them, it goes on weapons and other items to benefit Abbas and Hamas. Arafat had 6 luxury hotels and several millions in his bank accounts, I wonder where all that money came from.....






 

Kathleen B. (37)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 8:44 am
@Gillian Miller, thank you for helping to make this video/article a success with your inadvertent support. Article is considered "success" as it was on the front page of Care2 world news for a day or two. thnx kate.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 9:00 am
I am not Muslim I'm Christian, as were 20% of the Palestinian population until the ethnic cleansing began in earnest in 1948.
Deir Yassin, an early massacre, was a deliberate atrocity which the leaders & future leaders (Menachem Begin for one) participated in, was boasted of and widely publicized to terrorize the indigenous population into fleeing.
Dropping leaflets and even making phone calls, or 'roof tapping' today to warn people they're about to be bombed is the Israeli Jewish version of being humane. It isn't humane, dropping bombs on unarmed civilians is an international war crime.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 9:00 am
Upstanding citizans? ---» https://mobile.twitter.com/PUREIDEOLOGY/status/274921856295911424/photo/1
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 9:17 am
The United States fought the revolutionary war to rid themselves of British taxation. And today we are paying tribute (like any colony) to the rogue nation that insists it is the Jewish state.

Now we US citizens are paying $8.2 million every day to Israel. Considering the actions of Israelis I don't want my tax dollars funding them without tying their welfare dole to unbreakable, humanitarian goals toward a lasting and just peace.

The chosen people concept is racist. Calling non Jews goyim (cattle) is intolerable in a religion that still practices animal sacrifice. I am objecting to thinking that leads solely to "what is good for Israel, the Jewish State" at the expense of the rest of the human race.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 10:31 am
No one here is disputing that there are extremists on both sides, but which side freely meddles in USA politics? Which side has boasts that they can influence the United States?
Which side has a leader that got 29 standing ovations from the United States Congress, while Obama was being insulted with attempted coercion and actively campaigned against by dual citizens and billionaires because he refused to attack Iran as Netanyahu demanded?
Which side gets 8.2 million US tax dollars a day, while their illegal occupation withholds Fatah tax money?
Which side controls the majority of water resources, while the Palestinians in Gaza are thirsting on less than minimum daily requirements according to multiple reports?
Which side controls access by land, sea and air to restrict movement?
Which side spies routinely on the US and in addition to relentlessly campaigning to free the convicted US traitor Jonathan Pollard and are planning celebrations for when he's released, parades in his honor and naming streets after him?

Israel can have security when it joins it's neighbors in the world. Apartheid (segregation, separation) is discriminatory and racist; intolerable by world standards and international law.

 

Allan Yorkowitz (453)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 10:45 am
Israel does not destroy except in retaliation. It was never explained why this assault occurred. Could it be for a bombing on an Israeli bus? A bombing of a school/?
Yes, bombs kill, and cause horrible death, and destruction. Sadly, these people are caught in the middle of Hamas' reign of terror, and Israeli's counter attacks. It's not surprising media of Israeli attacks are aired, while the destruction Hamas inflicts on Israel gets no video attention.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 10:52 am

Top Ten Myths about Israeli Attack on Gaza

Posted on 11/17/2012 by Juan

1. Israeli hawks represent themselves as engaged in a ‘peace process’ with the Palestinians in which Hamas refuses to join. In fact, Israel has refused to cease colonizing and stealing Palestinian land long enough to engage in fruitful negotiations with them. Tel Aviv routinely announces new, unilateral house-building on the Palestinian West Bank. There is no peace process. It is an Israeli and American sham. Talking about a peace process is giving cover to Israeli nationalists who are determined to grab everything the Palestinians have and reduce them to penniless refugees (again).

2. Actions such as the assault on Gaza can achieve no genuine long-term strategic purpose. They are being launched to ensure that Jewish-Israelis are the first to exploit key resources. Rattling sabers at the Palestinians creates a pretext for further land-grabs and colonies on Palestinian land. That is, the military action against the people of Gaza is a diversion tactic; the real goal is Greater Israel, an assertion of Israeli sovereignty over all the territory once held by the British Mandate of Palestine.

3. Israeli hawks represent their war of aggression as in ‘self-defense.’ But the UK Israeli chief rabbi admitted on camera that that the Gaza attack actually ‘had something to do with Iran.’

4. Israeli hawks demonize the Palestinians of Gaza as “bad neighbors” who don’t accept Israel. But 40% of the people in Gaza are refugees, mostly living in refugee camps, from families in pre-1948 Palestine that had lived there for millennia.

They were expelled from what is now Israel in the 1948 Zionist ethnic cleansing campaign. Israelis are now living in their homes and farming their land, and they were never paid any reparations for the crimes done to them. [pdf] “Israel’s failure to provide reparations to Palestinian refugees over the past six decades is in blatant violation of international law.” Israel does not accept Palestine’s right to exist, even though it is constantly demanding that everyone, including the displaced and occupied Palestinians, recognize Israel’s right to exist.

5. Israeli hawks and their American clones depict Gaza as a foreign, hostile state with which Israel is at war. In fact, the Gaza strip is a small territory of 1.7 million people militarily occupied by Israel (something in which the UN and other international bodies concur). Israelis do not allow it to have a port or airport, nor to export most of what it produces. Palestinians cannot work about a third of its land, which is reserved by Israel as a security buffer. As an occupied territory, it is covered by the Hague Regulations of 1907 and the Fourth Geneva Convention of 1949 on the treatment of occupied populations by their military occupier. Indiscriminate bombing of occupied territories by the occupier is clearly illegal in international law.

6. Israeli hawks see themselves as innocent victims of bewildering Palestinian rage from Gaza. But Israel not only has kept Palestinians of Gaza in the world’s largest outdoor penitentiary, they have them under an illegal blockade that for some years aimed at limiting their nutrition without altogether starving them to death. I wrote earlier:

“The food blockade had real effects. About ten percent of Palestinian children in Gaza under 5 have had their growth stunted by malnutrition. A recent report [pdf] by Save the Children and Medical Aid for Palestinians found that, in addition, anemia is widespread, affecting over two-thirds of infants, 58.6 percent of schoolchildren, and over a third of pregnant mothers. “

If any foreign power surrounded Israel, destroyed Haifa port and Tel Aviv airport, and prevented Israeli exports from being exported, what do you think Israelis would do? Oh, that’s right, it is rude to see both Palestinians and Israelis as equal human beings.

7. Israeli hawks demonize the Palestinian residents of Gaza as followers of Hamas, a party-militia of the Muslim religious right. But half of Palestinians in Gaza are minors, who never voted for Hamas and cannot be held collectively responsible for that party.

8. Israeli hawks justify their aggression on the Palestinians on grounds of self-defense. But Israel is a country of 7.5 million people with tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, helicopter gunships and F-16s and F-18s, plus 400 nuclear warheads. Gaza is a small occupied territory of 1.7 million which has no heavy weaponry, just some old guns and some largely ineffectual rockets. (Israelis cite hundreds of rockets fired into Israel from Gaza in 2012; but until Israel’s recent attack they had killed not a single Israeli, though they did wound a few last March when fighting between Palestinians and Israelis escalated.) Gaza is a threat to Israel the way the Transkei Bantustan was a threat to Apartheid South Africa. As for genuine asymmetrical threats from Gaza to Israel, they could be dealt with by giving the Palestinians a state and ceasing the blockade imposed on them, or in the worst case scenario counter-terrorism targeted at terrorists rather than indiscriminate bombing campaigns.

9. Israeli hawks maintain that they were provoked into the attack. But actually Ahmad Jabari, the Hamas leader the Israelis assassinated earlier this week, had been engaged in talks with the Israelis about a truce. Assassinations achieved by the ruse of openness to peace talks are guarantees of no further peace talks.

10. Although most American media is a cheering section for the Likud Party, in fact the world is increasingly done out with Israel’s aggressiveness. Boycotts and sanctions will likely grow over time, leaving Israeli hawks with a deficit…
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 10:55 am
Kate, while Deir Yassin tragedy happen by mistake and miscommunication, Arabs revenged it by killing the Hadassa hospital medical convoy - just executed unarmed doctors, who were helping both Arabs and Jews alike. Like the Arab and Jewish doctors help both Arab and Jewish patients in Israel nowadays.

Dropping bombs on unarmed civilians is indeed a war crime. The problem is that Hamas doesn't care about committing war crimes. Hamas militants, and the majority of Sharia-indoctrinated Gazans do not care what the deed is as long as the Israelis are killed.

I never before met a Christian who would ignore all pains and suffering caused by Islamist extremists to other Christians, yet would be a fiery defender of Muslim claims, no matter how obviously false they are. Christian Arabs are abused in Gaza and the West Bank, they are leaving PA and Hamas-ruled area in a speed of ethnic -cleansing campaign. What type of a Christian would defend this religious genocide? Only a fake Christians, one of those imposters that Islamist PR machine put out masquearading them either as Christians, or as Jews.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 11:13 am
Kate, 3 Billion a year Israel gets as military equipment keeps 50,000 American jobs.

Arab and Islamic states getting 30 Billion bucks a year - with Pakistan #1 - are often given cash, thus truly depleting US economy. Besides, don't forget that Saudis buying everything Israel gets. Considering "Buy One - Get One Free", the more Israel gets, more oil cash $$$ comes back from Saudis. Sound good to me.

Palestinians are getting Billions of dollars a year from a variety of sources, as the most popular "victims". They got a special UN agency UNWRA to deal exclusively with them, making this whole agency blatantly racist. No other ethnic groups can apply to this well-funded agency, with all the other needy people left aside.

This UNWRA apply supremacist criteria to WHO is considered "Palestinian Refugee". According to them, an Arab who was born and lived his whole life in an Arab country is considered "Palestinian Refugee", if his grandfather happen to live in Israel between June 1946 and May 1948. This is the largest SCAM running for the longest period of time, sucking money from Infidel Western states.



 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 11:14 am
Israel must answer for its war crimes
December 06, 2012 .
Israel must answer for its war crimes

After truce in Gaza, accountability of Israeli war crimes against civilian population has become a big challenge for UNO, human right organizations and world community. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must be brought to the international criminal court for war crimes and the genocide in Gaza. After Egyptian backed peace truce between Hammas and Israel the rain of bombs and missiles halted in Gaza. They had rained on residential buildings, sports stadium, play grounds, banks, shops and markets during Israel’s eight days invasion on Gaza.

Horrible picture of dead and wounded innocent women and children, under the rubble of buildings, were in all the leading newspapers and TV channels all over the world. Israel targeted media center building several time in broad daylight to silence the media, two journalists lost their lives and several other were injured during the Israeli attack. Horrible stories of Israel war crimes are coming out of Gaza but unfortunately world community, UNO and Human rights organizations are silent and doing nothing to provide justice to the affected families. According to news 160 people, most of them women and children lost their lives during Israelis invasion. Israeli forces dropped leaflets from the air and warned Gaza people to leave their homes but people found no place to hide. Recent peace truce is big victory for Hammas. Egypt, Turkey, Tunis, Qatar and foreign ministers of all Arab countries visited Hammas ruled Gaza to show their solidarity with the people of Gaza

KHAWAJA UMER FAROOQ,

Jeddah, November 22.

(Source: http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/letters/06-Dec-2012/israel-must-answer-for-its-war-crimes)
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 11:16 am
Sandrea,

Nazi boycott of the Jews failed.
Arab oil-boycott of the Jews failed,
Arab and Leftist boycott of the Jews will fail as well. Israel gave to humanity much more, than 22 Arab states, in everything, besides oil and Jihad. You can try boycotting Jihad by stopping using your computer (where chips were developed in Israel), your cell and your GPS.

Hesbola shows on its logo a camel and a gun. If this choice is sufficient to you, then you can afford to boycott Israel without lying.
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 11:43 am
You wouldn't be talking about the few remaining Christians of Bethlehem who are emigrating at an alarming rate, in fact, they report the Israeli occupation as the reason they are desperate to leave, not problems with Palestinian Muslims.
"It is unconscionable that Bethlehem should be allowed to die slowly from strangulation," says South African Archbishop Desmond Tutu.
Ah, I remember Dr. Izzledeen, as he grieved over the Israeli bombing that killed several of his daughters, live on BBC, during the infamous Cast Lead assault. I'm not familiar with any Israeli physicians, though I'm sure they're amazing. The only one I can recall is the one who admitted to "harvesting Palestinian organs" for transplant into wealthy elites, though I've read the Israelis have free medical care and the Israeli government helps cover the expenses of transplants for it's citizens. That sure would be welcome in America (not the stealing of organs, the free medical care & assistance with huge expenses. Can I have some of that $8.2 mil from today back?
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 11:47 am
Taking your word for it that computer chips were developed in Israel - I would think they could have been developed in the US by the employees making $60,000 per year - based on the $3 billion per year that Israel gets, which you claim provides 50,000 American jobs. I would think $60,000 per year would be paid to fairly well educated people who could do this, especially if provided costly, high-tech environments.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 12:01 pm
Losing the plot: Why did Israel attack Gaza - again?
Israel is interested in anything but peace, interested in nothing but "maiming and murdering more Palestinians".

( Excerpt from: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/11/20121128105331462162.html )
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 12:39 pm
I can see why these two Countries don't seem to get it together if this thread is any indicator. I guess that is why I know so little about this area of what is taking place, I get a headache from the people combating upon each other who don't even live there. Each time I come onto a thread concerning this topic, no matter who posts it, no matter from what angle it is presented, be it pro or con on one side or the other, it's like the gangs rush in to out do the other ones. I will go along with no one is 100% correct and the truth lies in the middle someplace. Guess I will stick to topics I do understand and pray for both sides in this issue, as I said, it's the children who suffer on both sides.
 

Ros G. (90)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 3:31 pm
Rob & Jay B and your friends. Had to get my head around all this "hate spruiker stuff" So I asked a friend to come over for a beer on the weekend - David - Zionist - veteran of the 6 day war in Israel - yes he actually left Australia to fight in that war. "We've been friends for almost 30years and you more than anyone knows my thoughts on Israel/Palestine - what do you think of this new age computer breed of pro-Israel fighters?" Shaking his head in disbelief after reading some of your comments "Well, they certainly don't do us any favours - some of this stuff would make me pro-Palestine" Cheer guys - there you have it his words not mine
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 7:51 pm
Kate, don't forget that the Palestinian man who got a heart harvested from a Jew was killed by Palestinians for "being Jewish". Islamists spread those rumors about Israeli hospitals providing great care to wounded people world wide to hide the fact that Arab countries, even the richest one, gave much less to the world, than tiny Israel.

I would gladly pay back your share of US Aid to Israel, when I could get back my portion of 30 Billions a year US spends on Muslim countries.

 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 7:59 pm
Sandrea,

Israel is as standard of place to outsource research as China is for manufacturing. Life among enemies taught Israelis to be as much creative, as possible, and the whole world can see the results.

In comparison, Egypt was at par with South Korea when Korean war ended. Now South Korea par capita is 8 times bigger, and an Egyptian lives on $2/day. Things in Egypt are getting worse after Islamist takeover.

As you can see, some ideologies really hurt people carrying them. I have a pity and compassion toward Arab countries, but they cannot be given money: unearned money spoil kids.

As soon, as Arab League will start backing its "noble" intentions with its own cash, and some Saudi princes won't get another Lamergini because of "Palestnian Refugees", the peace in the Middle East will come very fast.


 

Lee Hampton (15)
Sunday December 9, 2012, 8:00 pm
Well I guess if David says he doesn't like R&J's comments, then by gosh, it might just mean that he knows how to get Ros to back off with her bullying and intimidation. I can imagine that a person like David would probably say anything to get Ros to leave him alone.

David: "Yes those proposterous pro-Israeli remarks would make anybody pro-Palestinian. Yeh sure Ros, whatever you say. It's been fun being with you. If you'll excuse me, I need to go jump out of an airplane without my parachute on now."

Ros's logic makes sense in a world that doesn't make any sense. If you don't defend Israel, then one almost tacitly admits that Israel is wrong, and the silence makes people pro-Palestinian. But if you DO defend Israel, why then you make people pro-Palestinian.

So clearly, Ros's message is: "stay out of our business of attacking Israel mercilessly and unfairly. It is our prerogative alone to be critical and one-sided, and if you say anything that gives the other side's point of view, then I'll twist everything you say to make YOU look hateful. Even though I am hateful and one-sided, I'm going to try my best to make it look like it's your fault."

I think we hear your message, Ros. You and your one-sided friends, who as Gillian and others have remarked so aptly, have no apparent concern when
Syrians kill Palestinians or Kuwaitis kill and expel thousands of Palestinians or for the thousands upon thousands of victims of Islam. No, the criticism is left for Israelis alone by this little cabal.

We understand it all too well, and THAT'S why we're going to keep
telling the other side of the story. Thanks for reminding us why it's so important.
 

Ge M. (217)
Monday December 10, 2012, 3:24 am
Kate, thanks for your thanks but I cannot claim any credit for the front page as I did not note this.

I would also point out that you have clearly stated, "It isn't humane, dropping bombs on unarmed civilians is an international war crime." I agree that this is what Hamas is doing from Gaza and Israel suffered it for 8 years before going in to try to stop it. Israel warned the population where they would be striking, which Hamas does not do, but the Gazans are not allowed to use shelters nor are they allowed to leave the area as they will be killed by Hamas. This is why Israel uses expensive equipment to try to prevent injuries or deaths. They also die rather than allow harm to come to a Palestinian. One cannot say that about Hamas.

You bleat on about the Palestinians killed but what about the targeted Israeli children? Snipers who shoot babies in buggies? Sneak into a house and kill the children in their bath or bed? Bombers who target schooll buses? Bombers who target youngsters out having fun at a cafe? Kindergardens? Schools from a Palestinian kindergarden knowing that the Israelis will not fire back? I can continue but this is to show the mind set of the terrorists, they kill/murder/maim CHILDREN. Remember the Fogel family where they slit a baby's throat? You compare this with the honesty of Israeli behaviour where they try to kill only terrorists? What sort of person can compare these atrocities and find that the terrorists are not to blame, only Israel?

Additionally, you have made it clear that it is acceptable for Israelis to be killed or to suffer terribly but not the Palestinians. You fail to condemn the ongoing attacks on Israel thereby indicating that the Palestinians are worth more than Israelis. What kind of mind set finds the deliberate of civilians acceptable epecially when the other side deliberately targets terrorists. THESE TERRORISTS USE THE PALESTINIANS AS HUMAN SHIELDS KNOWING THAT ISRAELIS CHOOSE NOT TO RETALIATE IN CASE THEY HURT CIVILIANS. HAMAS WANTS THE CIVILIANS HURT. Yet you say that Israel cannot protect itself or its civilians.

You claim to be a Christian but all I see from you is hatred and bigotry as well as the weighing of one life against another and finding the Israelis wanting. You say nothing about the Chrisitans forced out of Gaza nor of those murdered for converting. The ongoing massacres of Christians in lands where there are numbers of Muslims as well as the rape of little Christian girls and forced conversions and marriages. I know what type of Christian you aren't but what kind of person are you?
 

Ge M. (217)
Monday December 10, 2012, 3:25 am
By the way, I would like to thank the many people who have sent me green stars for my comments to Carole.
 

Ge M. (217)
Monday December 10, 2012, 4:04 am
Carole, I am still waiting for an answer to the questions on this subject.

I'm fully aware that you won't but, yes, I can tell what person you are by your revealing comments elsewhere, your refusal to answer simple questions, respond to information and outright failure to condemn atrocities and abuses. When you have spent as lond as I have working for human rights regardless of ethnic or religious origin, you get to know what people say and are.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Monday December 10, 2012, 6:16 am

For those that care, and would like to help, here is an email I received that I'd like to share:


Declare Your Support on International Human Rights Day

Dear Sandrea,

Sixty four years ago today, humanity took an inspirational step forward when the United Nations General Assembly adopted the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 1 of which states:

“All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.”

To mark this occasion, we celebrate today International Human Rights Day, but with a heavy heart because Palestinians are systematically denied their human rights by Israel’s apartheid policies, which are funded and protected by our government.

Former anti-apartheid icon and South African President Nelson Mandela said it best: “our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.”

In the spirit of the beautiful clarity of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, we ask you to take one simple action today: declare your support for Palestinian human rights.

You can do so by:

Signing our brief declaration of conscience: I support Palestinian human rights!

Letting everyone know that you support Palestinian human rights by posting it on your Facebook
profile and tweeting it to your Twitter followers.

Making a donation of any amount to the US Campaign to advance our work to change U.S. policy to support Palestinian freedom, justice and equality.

When you do, we’ll send you this bumper sticker in the mail so that you can show everybody that you, Sandre, support Palestinian human rights!

Thank you for everything that you do to work for a world in which all human beings enjoy all of their human rights enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Yours truly,

Anna Baltzer


Josh Ruebner Mike Coogan Ramah Kudaimi

-Staff of the US Campaign to End the Israeli Occupation
 

Ros G. (90)
Monday December 10, 2012, 2:05 pm
Thank you for sharing your email Sandrea - despite what others say to the contrary - we are constantly reminded by International Agency and other World Leaders of Human Rights that there are human right violations taking place in Palestiane by Israel and not the other way around. For those that chose to deny this they will be defending it until they die - just like my friend, David - he wants to be remembered as GOOD person along with his beloved Israel.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Monday December 10, 2012, 5:58 pm
What you don't see about Gaza, is that the lifestyle there is slightly better than in Egypt, all paid for by our tax dollars.

Yes, Gazans living their whole lives in Gaza are called "Palestinian Refugees" and are still on UN payroll.

The reason? Their grandfather was a migrant Syrian worker, who happened to stay in Israel between June 1946 and May 48. When he left Israel to avoid being killed by the invading Arab armies which were to kill all the Jews, he became "A refugee".

The old chap died long time ago, but now his extended family of 60 are all "Refugees". UNWRA says so. UNWRA has to say it, otherwise they all will be fired and their job will go to UN agency dealing with all the other refugees.

Isn't that invention about passing "Refugee" title - World Best Paid Refugee - to be more specific, a great invention of the Arab League? This sweet deal applies to Palestinian Arabs only. Not to Palestinian Jews, of course. Not to anyone else.

This is the truth about Gaza. Our stolen tax money, billions a year, one year at a time, forever.
 

Ros G. (90)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 1:57 am
Oh Bob, I was reading an interesting article the other day "It was the Russians behind the negotiations in 1947 to give the Jews the new State of Israel to occupy the rest of the world's mind while they (the Russians) could take over the rest of Europe" Just as credible as your Syrian worker theory, wouldn't you say?
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 4:27 am
More bulldozers..... (no respect for Rachel Corrie)

Israel Demolishes House in East Jerusalem

JERUSALEM, December 11, 2012 (WAFA) – Israeli police Tuesday demolished a house that belongs to a Palestinian family east of the old city of Jerusalem under the pretext of building without a permit, said witnesses.

They told WAFA that about 20 army vehicles and bulldozers demolished the house located in Hardoub area in At-Tur, a neighborhood east of the old city of Jerusalem, which is very close to the Apartheid wall and isolated away from the rest of the houses in the area.

House owner, Bassam Jabari said that the two-storey building, which his family has been living in for over four years, houses 11 residents.

He said, “The army demolishes our houses under the pretext of building without permits in the time when they don’t issue building permits for Palestinians even in their own land.”

He said that despite the financial loses he will not leave his land and will try to obtain a permit and rebuild his house.

M.H./F.R.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 5:30 am
Perhaps it's a good time to watch/re-watch the video..

http://mwcnews.net/focus/videos/23308-gaza.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+mwcnews%2FXrew+%28MWC+News+Alert%29
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 5:03 pm
Could you imagine being under attack and having these messages sent to you.... (just one example of many)

http://ranabaker.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/youre-a-lowlife-and-will-always-be-a-lowlife-palestinian-trash-twitter-user/
 

Kathleen B. (37)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 6:56 pm
" ..they own the media…business…the churches and the politicians. scriptures prophecize an antichrist to rule from Jerusalem a deciever…we just never thought he would control power through the USA" quote by Sam, that sums up the situation succinctly.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:40 pm
I have to address that "Palestinians make a business of being refugees" nonsense. Here are excerpts from 2006 UNRWA and UNHCR reports:

-- In 2006, the UNHCR assisted "a total of 17.4 million "Persons of concern" around the world, including 350,000 Palestinians, with a budget of $1.45 billion or $83 per person. The UNHCR was staffed by 6,689."
-- In 2006, UNRWA assisted "some 4.5 million Palestinian refugees with a regular budget of $639 million supplemented by $145 million for emergency programs, amounting to $174 per person. UNRWA was staffed by 28,000, most refugees themselves."

Refugees are aided by two agencies at the UN, the UNHCR and UNRWA. UNRWA assists Palestinian refugees exclusively. Refugees are defined differently by these two organisations, the main difference being the inclusion of descendants and the inclusion of the 50% of refugees within the Palestinian territories which, by UNHCR criteria, are internally displaced persons.

Let's summarize: both agencies care for 4,850,000 Palestinian refugees; spending $812,050,000 in 2006th year, or about $167.50 per refugee. Is there anyone here wanting to live with $0.46 (forty six cents) a day? Who thinks that this pile of money supports a lavish lifestyle? Is there anybody stupid enough to seriously think that this is a "business" opportunity?
 

Jelica R. (157)
Tuesday December 11, 2012, 9:51 pm
I spent one night on Twitter and Live wire during the last IDF Gaza massacre. Planes were coming in 30 min. intervals, and drones were buzzing all the time. It was dark and there was nothing to see except the flashes from explosions but the sound was terrifying. I admire my friend Abo from Gaza on his permanent appeals to peace and friendship among all peoples. If I were in Gaza, I seriously doubt that my stance for peace and understanding will be so firm like he has persistently demonstrated.
 

Suheyla C. (229)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 6:05 am
Thanks kate
 

Abo r. (101)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 1:21 pm
Dear Friend Jelica R, I am Insani humanitarian man love to live in peace and safety like many many in the world wide and calling for peace and love the love and hate the hate , pray day and night for peace as with peace nations can develop and progress and I like to make friendship with all as I love to spread love between the humans as with friendship relations will be built which by turn leads to good relattions which hopefully will lead to peace ., In the same time I do not forget that I am a Falestinian REFUGEE living temporary in GAZA till the Falestinians return to the mother land which is occupied by the IDF on 1948 .which doesnot prevent me from being a peace man ......
Some Jewish who live on the Falestinian Land Are a peace groups and are calling for peace and they are against the IDF and they protest with the Falestinians in many occasions and weekly against the seperation WALL .
We need to treat others in the way we need them to treat us.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:41 pm
This was just sent to me, as they say, a picture tells a million words. If this had happened to a people why would they want to do the same to other people, same way. There must be another way to deal with the injustices that all parties feel they have.
War is not the answer, hurting others is not the answer, this tactic has not worked, is not working obviously today, it only brings another generation into this hell on earth.
And please don't do as Iran does and denies the 1940 photos by saying the new ones are not real. I will not believe it, no more than I believe Iran on the denials of what happened in the past.
A Picture Tells A Thousand Words
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 3:56 pm

OMG, Sheryl.

Pictures depicting inhumanity to ANY human being are heartbreaking.

I fail to understand how any group can justify their government acting out these types of atrocities . . . no matter WHO they are!

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 4:15 pm
So disturbing. It's so hard to believe the atrocities that go on on this planet. The internet is allowing us to see people's pain through pictures. Absolutely no doubt in my mind that these are real. I feel dreadful for all who are suffering.
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 5:23 pm
It's a wonderful day in the neighbourhood...

http://occupiedpalestine.wordpress.com/2012/12/12/breaking-israelis-soldiers-kill-17-year-old-mohammed-salayma-on-his-birthday/

A list of tweets, then pics, then the very happy looking person that shot the young guy on his b'day.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 5:36 pm
Abo, your comment didn't show up, it came through blank.
 

Abo r. (101)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 5:46 pm
Thank you Free. the link
Thank you Dandilion G for drawing my attention that my post didnot show , I do not know why it happens sometimes.

This is not the first time that the IDF break the ceasefire in GAZA , Daily there is at least one time of breaking the ceasefire along 1967 boarder from south to middle to north in addition to the sea firing on the fishermen.
I have mentioned in anothe thread that the IDF break the ceasefier daily and the F16 does not leave GAZA Sky most of the day and night and it scares the children.
This is in the IDF and its leaders blood , they dont feel happy unless they sea the blood pouring from civilians .....they are blood suckers .
The IDF Leaders wants to tell thier people that they are doing something and it is killing ...
War and Peace Criminals, they want to clear up the land from its owners ...
For them to know that when a person is killed 5 are born in the same minute .. each minute a baby is born and sea what the IDF do .... The Falestinian women love to get pregnant and deliver every other year and do not mind if thier husband get married 3-4 at one time ..this is a messag the IDF and its supporters must understand that they will not be able to kill all Falestinians.
 

Abo r. (101)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 6:04 pm
The IDF used to chang facts and say false justifications , the truth is known and medias invevtigated and published the truth.
OK let Liberman be a bank for the Falestinan money and the Falestinians will get later ... Falestinians have a good experience in fasting and will surviv with the minimum basic needs ...
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 6:23 pm

Good to see you, Free G.!

 

Ros G. (90)
Wednesday December 12, 2012, 8:20 pm
Abo R - You are truely amazing, my friend. Good to see you back Carole as well. As mentioned on another thread. Arrogance, Fear and Hatred is not the way to Peace. This Israel/Palestine Peace Plan should be negotiated by the Countries that voted "Yes" in the UN for the State of Palestine because they have worked through all the bias. Then take it from there.
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday December 15, 2012, 1:14 pm

For Those whoare interested in Statistics

IT IS WORTH MENTIONING THAT : the latest official report about the IDF attack to GAZA on November 2012

Total Injured 1399
Total Killed 183
children injured 465
children killed 45
women injured 254
women Killed 13

IT IS WORTH MENTIONING too and IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW THAT:

Daily Birth during the 8 days of the IDF attack to GAZA is almost 150

Total Birth during the 8 days of the IDF attack to GAZA is 1197

Total Birth during November 2012 is 4110 average 137 daily
Female 2028
Male 2082

The population Pyramid says that the GAZA specific and Falestine ( GAZA and West Bank is a Youth population
 

. (0)
Monday December 17, 2012, 11:57 am
Thanks Kate ND Henriette for the fwd. Plain out sucks. Murder is murder-period and not perpetrated under the guise of war
 

Nancy C. (798)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 8:43 am
Video still up. All Women need access to education and political, business, and grassroots positions. Beloved Peace will then have a chance. My heart cries...
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 11:58 am
Always good to hear the population is being kept up. Sad, sad reason for it though, of course.

And.... the Zionists never stop do they......(sorry I can't make a link clickable)...

Israeli soldier posts disturbing Instagram photo of child in crosshairs of his rifle http://t.co/H2pJrm4y
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 2:44 pm
For you to know women in Gaza in specific and Falestine in general are educated have university degrees (Bsc, MA, PHD),they are a university techers, teachers in the different education stages, they are elected in the parlement, manucipilities and they are : engeneers, surgens and ohyscians in hospitals and primary health care, nurses , lawyers , in all positions head of depts, directors , headmasters s on. work hand by hand with the man , have an equal chance in employment.
They are found in places and positions of decision making too.and the women are highly respectedd and accepted by the society and they drive thier own cars too.
 

Abo r. (101)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 3:55 pm

Please read sign and forward:

L'OREAL MUST SHUT DOWN ITS PLANT IN "MIGDAL HAEMEK"


DAY 208: FREE SAMER ISSAWI NOW!

 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 9:55 pm
Abo, your second comment didn't have the proper link, so here it is:

L'OREAL MUST SHUT DOWN ITS PLANT IN "MIGDAL HAEMEK"

DAY 208: FREE SAMER ISSAWI NOW!

February 16, 2013

DAY 208: FREE SAMER ISSAWI NOW!

Al-Awda, The Palestine Right To Return Coalition and the Free Samer Issawi Campaign call on all people of conscience to take immediate action to help save the life of Palestinian political prisoner Samer Issawi who has been on a hunger strike for 208 days.

Issawi has been detained by Israeli authorities without any charge whatsoever. He was detained again without charge on 7 July 2012 and has been refusing food since August 2012 in protest. He is in critical condition.

There are currently 178 Palestinian administrative detainees being held without any charge whatsoever. In addition to Issawi, Jafar Izzeddin, Ayman Sharawneh and Tariq Qadan are also on hunger strike to protest prison conditions and administrative detention.

TAKE ACTION NOW!

Please join the voices and support around the world to save Samer Issawi's life and demand his immediate release from prison!

Write to President Obama and voice your concern and demand that the US administration intervene to demand the immediate release of Samer Issawi, the other hungers strikers, and all the administrative detainees and Palestinian political prisoners including the children. You can use the online form at:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/submit-questions-and-comments

Also please Call US Secretary of State John Kerry at 1-202-647-4000 or Office of Near East Affairs at 1-202-647-7209 Demand that the Secretary intervene for the immediate release of Samer Issawi, the other hungers strikers, all Palestinian administrative detainees and political prisoners including the children.

Help spread awareness through social media, and forward to all your contacts after you take action!

The Free Samer Issawi Campaign

Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return Coalition

* it is for Facebook users.
 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 10:10 pm
This is Samer's mother Layla Issawi just yesterday! 'Save Samer, he is dying'

"I'm speaking to the world. Where are you? Won't you please, wake up? My son is dying. He is so close to death! I want to see my son. I'm asking for freedom for my son. I want to hold him in my arms! They won't even let me visit him. They don't let me see my son! They hit us in the court when he tried to take my hand..."

 

Jelica R. (157)
Saturday February 16, 2013, 10:29 pm
On your first comment, Abo - I read a statistic about students in Palestina, and I was surprised by high number of women in technical education programs. Female students are in small (but nevertheless) majority on Gaza University's Computer Sciences Program. Go figure...

Being an engineer, I like to check those numbers when I can. What I've found is that women in societies which we (on the west) see as oppressive towards women, tend to study STEM sciences in far higher percentages than liberated western women. I would really love to read a study addressing this paradox, but I think that nobody has researched that subject.
 

Abo r. (101)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 2:01 am
Thanks Jelica your posts are valuable.
About women education in GAZA yes it is a very high in number for both males and males , you know our population pyramid is a youth population and females now for a certain degree and percentage are more than males ( Gaza situation play a role in that ), anyhow as far the study is available in GAZA andaffordable to all with some fees and poor families (hardship conditions ) has some deduction , also the brothership in the same university have fees deduction ( two or more brothers or sisters or brother and sister), alldistiquished students have also deduction of the studying fees in addtition to grants and schoolerships , this applied to all academic studies in all GAZA universities .
Now females have equal conditions of acceptance as the males , even married ones , some got married while studying , The students I as any where choose thier type of study within the high school (secondry education ) grades percentage , personally as a father to students in the various universities in GAZA (some already graduated ) and I finished my studies years ago and as a friend of some universities staff I can tell that we have in our universities high number of students both males and females in differend stages and faculties or specialities and I see graduates and attends some of the graduation cermonies women are in the field working according to thier speciality of study ( Lawyers, Drs. ( we have medicine colleges, dentist and Pharmacy ) and health professions as rehabilitation, speach pathology, audiometry, laboratory, X ray, psychology and psychiatry studies , anesthesia , primary health care so on), engeneer college is available and a lot of females are studying and I know female engenners in field working and lawyers too , a lot of nurses , Drs in various specialites whom I see in the fields of work. accountant , commercial, computer programming and in banks too you see both males and females.
I do not have statistics but sure there is somewhere .
Assuring you and everybody in the world GAZA and all Falestinians are concerned of education to thier children and each chooses the speciality or field he interested in .
 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 4:44 am
L'oreal petition signed and shared.

SAVE SAMER! Day 209 :(
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:43 am
I am not on FB but I found this petition for those of us who still want to add our voice.
Avaaz Petition Justice and Fair Treatment For Samer Issawi and other detainees on Hunger strike
Thanks for signing -- your name has been added and will be delivered to Every Government in the World, UN, NGO's

On 31 January 2013, Samer Issawi reportedly stopped taking vitamins and threatened to stop drinking water. He also threatened to reject any further medical examinations provided by the Israeli Prison Service if he was not released.

His lawyer told Amnesty International that Samer Issawi’s health has deteriorated rapidly in recent weeks due to his six-month hunger strike. When his lawyer visited him on 31 January, Samer Issawi weighed only 47 kilograms (almost half his original body weight) and medical staff at Ramleh prison clinic warned that he may soon die.

Samer Issawi has lived for 33 years, 1 month, and 27 days. I hope he lives another day.

He has been on a hunger strike now for six and a half months. Gandhis’ longest hunger strike was 21 days.

The IRA’s Bobby Sands and nine other Irish hunger strikers died in 1981 after strikes lasting from 46 to 73 days.

Issawi’s internal organs are starting to shut down, he can no longer walk, he is reportedly suffering loss of vision and vomiting blood, it is difficult for him talk, and he is increasingly near death.

Since Americans give Israel over $8 million per day, our tax money is helping to fund Israel’s actions. Those who wish to prevent at least one tragic death may wish to make their opinion known to the U.S. State Department (202-663-1848) and Associated Press (212.621.1500).

The name is also sometimes given as Samer Al-Issawi or Al-Eesawy.

MIGHT I REPEAT THE LAST PART TO AMERICAN CITIZENS OF WHICH I AM ONE......

Since Americans give Israel over $8 million per day, our tax money is helping to fund Israel’s actions. Those who wish to prevent at least one tragic death may wish to make their opinion known to the U.S. State Department (202-663-1848) and Associated Press (212.621.1500).

The name is also sometimes given as Samer Al-Issawi or Al-Eesawy.

I will pass this link around for more signatures to these petitions.
I tried signing L'oreal petition for some reason not taking my signature. At least it didn't appear to.
 

Just Carole (338)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:50 am

BLESS YOUR HEART for posting that Avaaz petition, Sheryl!

 

Sandrea S. (208)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:58 am
All petitions signed and along with videos shared, tweeted.
Keep 'em comin', thanks!
 

Gysele van Santen (213)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 6:13 am
noted. thnx for the forward Sheryl & for avaaz petition.
 

Terry V. (30)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 6:37 am
S&N Avaav petition

http://www.avaaz.org/en/petition/Justice_and_Fair_treatment_of_Palestinian_prisoners_especially_those_on_hunger_strike/
 

Pat B. (354)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 6:50 am
Thank you Kate for this. Thank you, Sheryl for FW, signed avaaz petition.
 

Patricia Cannell (748)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 7:08 am
Ditto on the thanks Kate.
 

Susan Allen (221)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 8:03 am
Noted and shared.
 

Patrick Donovan (319)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 8:15 am
Dandelion, appreciate your comments and the Avaaz link.

For those who haven't used Avaaz, you should give it a try. Once you register, all you need to do is enter your e-mail address in the top right hand box and the is filled in with your data.
 

Freya H. (304)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 8:30 am
As long as Israel enjoys its status as a sacred cow, injustice and horror like this will continue.
 

john byrne (52)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 8:45 am

is it possible to get the truth from either side, in conflict the truth is the first casualty, then comes the citizens on both sides .Ive watched this rolling on for as long as I can remember. does Israel have a right to defend its state yes it does however the other people in the regions have a right to a state to call home. Israel must take care of its neighbours as if they were their own.too much blood has been shed two many hearts & dreams shattered in an instant. we are aware of the factions that would wipe out the state of Israel in a heartbeat but children who have been a victim & who have had to stand & watch a sibling or parent killed because of location grows up to be a mortal enemy just like the ready made Republican army in IN I. when they had to stand and watch the same war game going on around them just like the children in Lebanon & Palestine.Israel needs to balance its military power with the hand of friendship before it becomes an end game for all.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 9:23 am
Avaaz: 252 signers. Let's reach 300 -sad,sad..rediculously few..but most action is on FB I assume.
I passed that message and link around yesterday.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 9:40 am
You cannot currently send a star to Freya because you have done so within the last week.
@ Jelica- it would have been helpful to message your friends directly about this action.. I got a "detour notice" via Henriette via Abo-plus containing a wrong link-this could have been avoided. Of course I already took action on FB after having the right link.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 9:46 am
Letter from prisoner Samer al-Issawi as it came from the Ministry of Prisoners:

I turn with admiration to the masses of our heroic Palestinian people, to our Palestinian leadership, to all forces, parties and national institutions. I salute them for standing by our fight to defend our right to freedom and dignity.

I draw my strength from my people, from all the free people in the world, from friends and the families of the prisoners who continue day and night chanting for freedom and an end to the occupation.

My health has deteriorated dramatically and I'm hanging between life and death. My weak body is collapsing but still able to be patient and continue the confrontation. My message is that I will continue until the end, until the last drop of water in my body, until martyrdom. Martyrdom is an honor for me in this battle. My martyrdom is my remaining bomb in the confrontation with the tyrants and the jailers, in the face of the racist policy of the occupation that humiliates our people and exercises against us all means of oppression and repression.

I say to my people: I'm stronger than the occupation army and its racist laws. I, Samer al-Issawi, son of Jerusalem, send you my last will that, in case I fell as a martyr, you will carry my soul as a cry for all the prisoners, man and women, cry for freedom, emancipation and salvation from the nightmare of prisons and their harsh darkness.

My battle is not only for individual freedom. The battle waged by me and by my heroic colleagues, Tariq, Ayman and Ja'affar, is everyone's battle, the battle of the Palestinian people against the occupation and its prisons. Our goal is to be free and sovereign in our liberated state and in our blessed Jerusalem.

The weak and strained beats of my heart derive their steadfastness from you, the great people. My eyes, which started to lose their sight, draws light from your solidarity and your support of me. My weak voice takes its strength from your voice that is louder than the warden's voice and higher than the walls.

I'm one of your sons, among thousands of your sons who are prisoners, still languishing steadfastly in the prisons, waiting for an end to be brought to their plight, their pains and the suffering of their families.

The doctors told me I became exposed to stroke because of the disorder of my heartbeats, the shortage of sugar and the drop in blood pressure. My body is full of cold and I can't sleep because of the continued pain. But despite the extreme fatigue and chronic headaches, as I move on my chair, I'm trying to summon all my resources to continue on the road till its end. There is no going back, only in my victory, because I'm the owner of Right and my detention is invalid and illegal.

Do not be afraid for my heart if it will stop, don't be afraid for my hands if they will be paralyzed. I am still alive now and tomorrow and after death, because Jerusalem is moving in my blood, in my devotion and my faith.

Palestine 16/02/2013

The above letter (in Arabic) was published on 16 February on Shirin Issawi's Page in Facebook. Translated to English and Hebrew by Free Haifa

Please share it and act everywhere to save Samer Issawi and for all the people that were imprisoned for their struggle for freedom.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 10:40 am
Sorry I know that Einstein is not Israeli. What I wanted to say is that Jews also are not happy with Zionism crimes and are even against Zionism.
 

Jim Phillips (3209)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 11:44 am
AVAAZ petition signed.

Ty, Dandelion.
.
 

Rita De Vos (87)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 12:09 pm
Noted! Thank you Kate for posting this story and Dandelion too for forwarding the information to me ;)
I'm afraid it's hard to always know exactly what is going on in Israel and Palestina and both countries committed lots of war crimes already... It seems they cannot live together in peace because too many of the inhabitants are filled with hatred towards one another, ... religeous fanatism and fundamentalism, prejudices and the inability of both people to overcome their differences makes that the situation remains unsolved and that it doesn't improve but on the contrary escalates..... it is extremely sad and I do agree with Dandelion: 'The truth lays somewhere in the middle!'
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 12:25 pm
Very strange > my reply to Carola which included a message from Albert Einstein and other prominent celeberties to New York Times in 1948 about Israel crimes against Palestinians had been erased for the second time !!!!
 

Abo r. (101)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 12:57 pm
Avaaz: 266 signers. Let's reach 300
posted in FB , signed too
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 1:05 pm
Abo. Thanks to all freedom supporters the number will exceed the 300 you are looking for. Thanks to all who raise their voices in support of the Palestinians and their fair case.
 

Abo r. (101)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 1:20 pm
I am sure my friend Abdessalam will exceed that , they asked 300 for now.
Thanks for your concern.
 

Devon Leonard (54)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 2:33 pm
Short and sweet. We MUST learn to live together. All of our survival depends on it. Our world is too small to play deadly war games anymore. Now as never before we need Peacemakers to rise up in All Nations...in all families, groups and causes......... Hate and blame will in the end accomplish nothing more than more hate and blame. Be a part of the solution. Be a part of the Light that vanquishes the darkness of fear, greed, violence, ignorance, racism, etc... Remember that ALL forms of extremism are dangerous...and this begins in each of our hearts.......
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 2:43 pm
Now I can go to bed. There are 294 signature. It is 12:37 am Cairo time.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 2:58 pm
297 > Good night.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 3:34 pm
We have reached 300 our own C2 member Naoko of Japan signing to reach the goal. More is always good. Don't stop.
 

AniMae Chi (402)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:43 pm
watched entire vid OMG!!!

signed Avaaz, 306 so far

The heart aches to see there's a war raging right here on this thread.

Hatred does not cease by hatred, but only by love; this is the eternal rule.
~The Buddha~
 

Jill P. (70)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 6:59 pm
Even as a child I never understand the human species. Now as i get older and learn moe I find the species even more baffling.
The US gets hit one day and our government declares war on the world and its own citizens.
These people live this every day this is their way of life. Dear God. And the Us supports it in our name. When we stop tolerating this and other acts of disregard for human life? When will Americans declare a zero tolerance for this? When will we decide to fire our tyrrants and hire real human beings?
 

lee e. (114)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 7:35 pm
I've been disturbed for years of the genocidal actions of Israel toward Palestine -- exactly how long will the US sponsor this -- how long will they suffer? I'm so disturbed about Israel, and will be against any of our support until they prove themselves to be humane and responsible to their neighbors -- the genocide is abhorrent, and I believe deserving of disassociation and sanctions until such time as they prove to be serious in an attempt to make a two state resolution of this matter! I think the Israeli state has provven itself to be an embarrassment to the world and to the US - since we are co-conspiritors in these genocidal actions!
 

Julie E. (345)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 8:14 pm
As of my post, 309 signatures on Avaaz. What the H@ll is going on! I have a lot of reading to do above. I am on your side Sheryl.

Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:43 am
I am not on FB but I found this petition for those of us who still want to add our voice.
Avaaz Petition Justice and Fair Treatment For Samer Issawi and other detainees on Hunger strike
 

Judy C. (106)
Sunday February 17, 2013, 10:36 pm
Thanks for the message about this, Dandelion, and thanks to Kate for the original post. I just signed the Avaaz petition. I don't do Facebook, so can't sign that one.

What a sad, horrific story, and how senseless war is! There are never-ending wars in the name of God, by people who all have the same God. All are pawns for the enrichment of the Masters of War, the war profiteers. In the U.S., there are those who think it's o.k. to send drones to kill people by remote control. We finance so much killing in this world. We cannot begin to imagine the terror of people who must feel that something horrible is about to happen any time. How do the children sleep?
 

Pat A. (117)
Monday February 18, 2013, 2:47 am
Signed - thanks Dandelion - nearly 350 now - but still so very few!
 

Arild Warud (163)
Monday February 18, 2013, 4:47 am
Both signed,thanks Sheryl and "C".
 

Liliana D. (124)
Monday February 18, 2013, 10:56 am
avaaz petition signed
after the second world war, Israel the next nazi state was born under the blessings of the great world powers
seeing children murdered teared my heart and made me very angry
 

Gina Caracci (231)
Monday February 18, 2013, 2:40 pm
I couldnt watch more than a few minutes..Im sick of humans. WHAT are they fighting about? some land? r u kidding me? God said to LOVE EACH OTHER!!! Turn the other cheek dammit..Israel is His chosen peope and this is whats going on over there. i wish the planet would bow up cuz WE DONT DESERVE TO LIVE ON IT. Not if this is what we do to eachother.
signed and disgusted as usual
 

Nancy C. (798)
Monday February 18, 2013, 5:21 pm
354th on Avaaz
 

James W. (258)
Monday February 18, 2013, 7:23 pm
Noted with sadness
 

Mary T. (186)
Monday February 18, 2013, 7:54 pm
Noted with great sadness, Signed all the petitions.
 

Patricia E. G. (51)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 4:28 am
I have signed the petitions.
Thank you Kate for posting and for the video.
Thank you Dandelion for the petition sight and the forward.
It is written that the Israelis would never find land of their own.
This video, history and the present attacks on Gaza confirms to me
that the Israelis will continually be at war before they find land to call home.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:45 am
Just C. left this on another thread but I thought I'd place it here for those who are still tracking or who may come to this thread still.
Former Irish Hunger Striker to Samer Al Issawi Stay Strong

It is with great sadness I learned the emergency hearing held yesterday in Israeli court for Palestinian Hunger Striker Samer Al Issawi has once again seen his request for release denied. This man has been illegally imprisoned under so called “Administrative Detention” without charge or trail and is now on day 211 without food. It has now been reported that he is to remain in prison until at least March 14 when his next hearing is scheduled. This is very distressing as his physical condition is currently very critical and growing more dangerous each day. I understand that his poor Mother Um Ra’fat collapsed upon hearing the court’s decision today, my heart and solidarity goes out to her and to his sister Shireen and his brother Shady who was also arrested 2 days ago without charge.

When I recently read Samer’s published letter from Prison it brought me right back to when I was also on hunger strike alongside our great hero Bobby Sands who was the first of ten men to die. Samer said in his prison letter: “There is no going back, only in my victory” This reminds me of the words of Bobby Sands when he said “We must see our present fight right through to the very end.”

Our Martyr Bobby Sands wrote the following words when he was also in Prison and when he had begun the Hunger strike. These prophetic words could today describe Samer’s struggle and the current situation in Palestine with more than 4000 Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails. Bobby said; “I am a political prisoner because I am a casualty of a perennial war that is being fought between the oppressed Irish (Palestinian) people and an alien, oppressive, unwanted regime that refuses to withdraw from our land.”

To Samer and all his comrades “stay strong.” I think Israel should learn from the Irish struggle and take heed. They should remember what Margaret Thatcher the former British Prime Minister once said to us. She claimed the Irish Hunger Strike was our “Last Card” as she let ten of my comrades die. She thought she had won. Yet today, as I travel the world as a former Prisoner, former Hunger striker and an elected MLA, I know who is remembered, and who is forgotten.

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:49 am

Thank you so much for reposting that here, Sheryl. (I meant to do it myself, but got sidetracked.)

 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:55 am
 
Also, we need to remember that there are many members who are just now becoming aware of the injustices (due to purposeful mainstream media propaganda/diversion, and their organized propagandist mouthpieces) visited upon Palestinians by Zionists. 
 
I'd like to recommend the following video (88 minutes):
 
Occupation 101: Voices of a Silenced Majority (2006)
 
 
 

Just Carole (338)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 6:58 am

And I'm sorry, Sheryl (and others) that my "green star account" has been depleted for many of you . . . due, mainly, to your constant displays of compassion and wisdom. [standing ovation]

 

Kathleen B. (37)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 7:00 am
thanks Dandelion, thnx *C* your support inspires me with renewed dedication.

And thanks to all I did not contact personally, every contribution is valued by me. kb.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Wednesday February 20, 2013, 10:16 am
It is hard to understand this hard heartedness that has befallen so many people, many claiming various religions and so forth. Kind to their family and close friends but......

“A human being is a part of the whole called by us universe, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feeling as something separated from the rest, a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness.

This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” Albert Einstein

“If we have no peace, it is because we have forgotten that we belong to each other.” Mother Teresa

“One love, one heart, one destiny.” Bob Marley

Thanks Carole; Mitakuye Oyasin
 

Terry V. (30)
Thursday February 21, 2013, 10:35 am

PEACE TODAY


VERBAL ABUSE
 

Janice S. (91)
Saturday February 23, 2013, 9:42 am
I did not see any actual petition to sign here. I agree completely that we should not be sending money to Isreal. It is tragic that fighting has been going on in that area basically forever. President Carter, along with many others, worked for years to try to get peace.

Too bad the Palestines and Isreales can't combine their governments and all of them respect basic human rigjhts for their citizens.
 

Dandelion G. (386)
Sunday February 24, 2013, 1:30 pm
PETITION IS IN COMMENT ABOVE DATED......

Sunday February 17, 2013, 5:43 am
 
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