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J Street's Pipe Dreams of Peace.......65 Years .The Catastrophe Continues


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Abdessala
- 427 days ago - electronicintifada.net
Meanwhile Israelis celebrate the establishment of their state and the conquest of the West Bank, Gaza Strip, the Syrian Golan Heights and the Sinai. This inevitably leaves one to ask the banal question: "Will there be peace in our lifetime?"



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Tim C. (1760)
Friday May 24, 2013, 7:22 am
ty
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 7:25 am
Zionists claim that Jewish people have a right to “return” to Palestine — or the Land of Israel, as they call it — because they are related to the ancient Hebrews, a tribe that lived there thousands of years ago. Yet Palestinians who lived in Palestine only 65 years ago and remember when they were forced to leave as refugees are forbidden from returning to their homes and their land.

A nation whose connection to the land is based on something that took place thousands of years ago is telling a nation that still has the keys to their homes and the deeds to their land that they must stay out.

The State of Israel was established on the ruins of Palestine, but today close to half of the population residing under Israeli control are Palestinians. Israel maintains laws that discriminate against the Palestinian portion of the population — or what it calls the non-Jewish population.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 7:29 am
“Miko Peled is a peace activist who dares to say in public what others still choose to deny. Miko was born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well-known Zionist family. His grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer on the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His father, Matti Peled was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and the Sinai.

He has credibility, so when he debunks myths that Jews around the world hold with blind loyalty, people listen. Miko was born in Jerusalem in 1961 into a well-known Zionist family. His grandfather, Dr. Avraham Katsnelson was a Zionist leader and signer on the Israeli Declaration of Independence. His father, Matti Peled was a young officer in the war of 1948 and a general in the war of 1967 when Israel conquered the West Bank, Gaza, Golan Heights and the Sinai.
 

Sue Matheson (69)
Friday May 24, 2013, 7:34 am
thanks
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday May 24, 2013, 8:09 am
Thank you Abdessalam! I have been reading Miko Peled's contributions quite regularly since I got knowledge of his "The General's Son" and one has to respect him.
Paying tribute to this time of year over half a century ago, our local radio also has featured EXTENSIVE reports about today's life in the region, putting a spotlight on the ongoing plight of "second class Israeli citizens" in particular.
This reality still remains denied by too many people both in Israel and the US, who claim equality for Arabs and Palestinians living inside Israel, but gladly more and more around the world are recognising it now. The mere fact that OUR GERMAN stations are broadcasting such reports, Germany beeing a traditional pro-Israel ally, is an amazing proof for waking up ,slowly but surely.
 

Angelika R. (146)
Friday May 24, 2013, 8:21 am
Media said that this morning Kerry and Netanyahu were meeting for breakfast and we all know or can guess what the conversation was...Lots of more "air bubbles".
After that historic UN vote on 29 November 2012, there were reports that Netanyahu govt. said the settlements are NO ISSUE but the question of Palestinian's right to RETURN is the main problem. We all know now what he meant by "no issue" regarding settlements and having assurance that he could just continue without scrutiny or punishment. If the entire land is robbed for him that obviously solves the return issue.
 

Terrie Williams (761)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:15 am
I ..... prey....that NetanYAHOO gets replaced in the next Israeli election.....for good. I can't stand that man anymore than I can stand Baby Bush. I still hope against hope that one day there will be peace for both peoples in that troubled land and the Palestinian people get the rith to return to their ancestral lands as well.
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:30 am
Abdessalam,

You know better than anybody else, that Muslims has lots of militant Islamists in their midst, and those Islamists terrorize all minorities living near by. These minorities could be Christians in Egypt, Shia Muslims in Syria or Pakistan, Kurds in Iraq or Turkey, the list goes on and on.

Until the percentage of Islamists is as high, as it is now, and seeing how Islamists are warring with each other, it is completely unreasonable to expect them to be peaceful with any other third party.

Electronic Intifada may say what they want, but everyone knows what they want to say.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 10:55 am
Apparently some one here didn't read the story.. didn't know who wrote it.....Electronic Intifada is not the author U E..
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 11:10 am
Thank you Terrie for your comment.The world and Palestinians can't wait till next election hoping that peace lovers in the Zionist entity will be strong enough to beat Netanyahu and alike. .While Palestinians praised Kerry's efforts, they said there has been little progress ahead of what they believe to be a June 7 deadline for action. They are already beginning work on a "day-after" strategy.

"We don't have unrealistic expectations. We know the immensity of obstacles," said Hanan Ashrawi, a senior Palestinian official. "If it doesn't work, of course we have our own plans."

The Palestinians say there is no point in negotiating while Israel continues to build Jewish settlements. More than 500,000 Israelis now live in the West Bank and east Jerusalem, making it increasingly difficult to partition the land between Israel and the Palestinians.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 11:24 am
**Settlers from Bat Ayin attacked Israeli Arab doctors during a trip organized by the settler field school. The doctors were attacked during a fun day trip for doctors of the HMO (kupat holim) Clalit and their families. The Gush Etzion field school organized the trip in Gush Etzion including swimming in natural springs. At some point the group walked along the road that goes around Bat Ayin settlement [near where a spring is located - OH]. Some Bat Ayin residents recognized there were Arabs among the group of visitors, approached the group and began curse the Arabs among them and demanding they leave. The Jewish doctors tried to convince the settlers to stop their racist curses, but with no effect. As it got to the point of physical violence, the Bat Ayin security officer arrived and defended the doctors with his body. The group of doctors decided to end their trip and left the place escorted by the security officer. Dr. Aref Khirallah: "(Our) children continued to shake with fear after we escaped from there...I have treated thousands of Jews and tomorrow I could treat one the mother of one of those who expelled me or I could save his brother, but he threw us out from our trip because we are Arabs." The doctors went to the police station and filed a complaint for racist assault. (Maariv, p. 6/NRG Hebrew)
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 11:37 am
You are right Angie.Every day more and more people are waking up and standing for the rights of Palestinians against the ethnic cleancing committed by the Zionist entity.
1 - ON 15 May 2013, Palestine Solidarity Campaigne's (PSC ) Chair, Hugh Lanning, Director, Sarah Colborne and Patron, Baroness Jenny Tonge, handed in a letter to Downing Street calling for UK action on Israel’s ethnic cleansing of Palestinians.

Hugh Lanning, Chair of Palestine Solidarity Campaign, alerted the Prime Minister to the fact that since 2008 – in East Jerusalem and the part of the West Bank fully controlled by Israel (known as area C) - more than 2400 Palestinian houses and structures have been forcibly demolished displacing more than 4400 people.

PSC Chair, Hugh Lanning, reminded the UK Government of the demand made by major aid agencies last month that it must “hold Israel accountable for settlement expansion, destruction of civilian infrastructure, and forced transfer, all of which are violations of International Law.”



Hugh Lanning, Chair, said:



“Many people are aware of the fact that a great injustice took place in 1948 when 750,000 Palestinians were driven from their homes. But that injustice continues until today, not only in occupied Palestinian territory but within Israel itself – where Palestinian Bedouin communities are being expelled from their homes and herded into townships against their wishes. It is a continuing injustice that Palestinians living in exile – often in refugee camps – are continually denied their recognised right to return to areas from which they have fled or were forced to leave.



It is time for the UK Government to act to end these injustices.”
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Friday May 24, 2013, 11:44 am
2 - On May 20.2013 Princeton University students came out for Palestine in a public affirmation of solidarity declaring :.

In order to ensure peace and justice in the Middle East, it is necessary that Palestinians be afforded their universal human rights. The phrase “coming out” which originated in the LGBT community has been used in a variety of contexts to describe the self-disclosure of a person’s potentially shameful identity or beliefs. In the political climate of the United States, expressing sympathy with Palestinians can be the cause of this kind of stigma. We hope to change that on Princeton’s campus.

We are “coming out” for Palestine in a public affirmation of solidarity, expressing our commitment to the implementation of the following three actions:

1) Ending the occupation of the West Bank, including settlement building, forced
displacement, home demolitions, inequitable resource distribution, and limited freedom of movement;
2) Ending the blockade of Gaza;
3) Ensuring the right of return for Palestinian refugees, as stipulated in UN
Resolution 194.

We hope that our visibility will encourage others to join the fight for Palestinians’ freedom.

http://icomeoutforpalestine.tumblr.com/
 

Elderberry C. (47)
Friday May 24, 2013, 5:37 pm
Thank you for posting this,..... Noted and shared also. :-)
 

Sherri G. (111)
Friday May 24, 2013, 9:01 pm
Thank you for posting Abdessalam. I wish with all my heart the Palestinians could count on the USA to be truly impartial and trust we will work equally for both Palestinians and Israelis. Fact is Palestine cannot trust America to be unbiased and equally fair to both sides. Americans cannot trust our own congress to put the interest of the people ahead of their pockets lined with gold from lobbyist. The Palestinians should have never been displaced. There should have always been a 2 state fair and equitable solution in 1948. As corporations swallow 98% of us equity and fair play is moving further and further away. I wish I had the answer because good, hard working, decent men and women of every country deserve so much more. Peace be with you and your family my Friend today and every day.
 

Pat A. (117)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 3:59 am
Thanks for this Abdessalam - I remember Miko Peled from The General's Son and I like and respect him greatly. I agree wholeheartedly with Terrie and Sherri .
 

Henriette Matthijssen (143)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 9:40 am
The war of 1948 was an act of terrorism initiated by Zionist militias that ended up in the destruction of Palestine and the forced displacement of its people. What makes it even worse is that the catastrophe did not just take place in 1948. It began in 1948 and has been going on ever since.

The catastrophe continues with thousands of Palestinians in jail, 1.6 million living under siege in Gaza, another 1.5 million living as second-class citizens in Israel, close to three million in the West Bank living at the mercy of the Israeli army, which knows little mercy, and approximately seven million Palestinians living as refugees outside of Palestine who are not permitted to return to their homes.

This May and June, it is time to reflect on the reality in which Palestinians are forced to live, and separate it from the virtual reality that Israel and its supporters try to paint. Perhaps this year it is time to assert in clear terms that supporting an exclusivist and discriminatory Jewish state means supporting a state that violates the most basic human and civil rights of millions of Palestinians, including the right to life itself.
God created all humans equally & loves us all the same, we are all one & connected, making me question the mentality of those who believes themselves to be God's chosen people! The time is now to get the truth that will free the Palestinians from this barbaric life they are living under, compassion for our brothers/sisters through getting the real truth! Thanks Abdessalam for posting.
 

monka blanke (74)
Saturday May 25, 2013, 11:53 am
I also respect "The General's Son", but the rest of the Zionists can not be trusted, that is a sad fact.
 

Amanda Ashworth (2)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 7:25 am
THANKS
 

Gloria picchetti (287)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 8:01 am
I used to love Israel but now I think Zionism was one of the worst ideas ever.
 

Deborah W. (6)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 1:50 pm
In a perfect world -- until then ...
 

ER C. (65)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 1:54 pm

Israel is God's Holy Land.
 

Sharon Davidson (343)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 2:02 pm
read and noted thanks
 

Alexander Werner (53)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 3:03 pm
I used to support Arab cause and think they only want their own country.

Later, I found out about the Pan-Arab goal of Caliphate and destroying Israel, their level of extremism and support for Jihad, their racist attitude against Jews and Christians, and now consider their whole play as the worst UN abuse.
 

Past Member (0)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 4:34 pm
Great posting, Abde. Thanks for sharing.
 

Tom Edgar (56)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 5:30 pm
EcRo E As nobody has ever produced evidence that any God has ever existed I fail to see how Israel/Palestine is his/her holy land..

Abdessalam... Marvellous piece of writing even if it is only repeating what I have been saying since 1948.

Bob Algeron . As usual the same old Fascist anti Islamic rhetoric upholding the right of foreign Jews to take over a country in the name of a religion. I would add that I am as opposed to ANY State being religion based. U A E or Israel. What is the difference between so many of your countrymen objecting to illegal immigrants into the U S A and European countries but makes it quite acceptable in Palestine?
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 5:59 pm
I'm of two minds on this issue. I believe Israel deserves to exist, but I do not believe they have a right to the properties of the Arabs who live/lived there.

I know there are people on both sides of the issue who are in favor of peace and justice. The problems stem from the warmongers on both sides.

I have no pewer, but I do have a prayer that both sides should get what they need. I understand why Israel acts as they do, because of their fear of attack, but if they would make a sincere attempt at peace and if we would just understand that the Arabs have a real right to be taken seriously and we have no right to do our knee jerk reaction in Israel's favor all the time perhaps we could actually get peace.

The much maligned Jimmy Carter, by respecting both sides, came close and then the stumblebum of a president Reagan blew it up. My heart cries out for justice.
 

Robert K. (31)
Sunday May 26, 2013, 6:07 pm
I think it's a shame that more people don't realize that, while some of the attacks on Israel are fueled by hatred, the hatred stems from 65 years of tyrrany by the Israeli government and the rest are from frustration at being denied the right to life and justice.

Of course the attacks are then used by the wingnuts in Israel as justification for more suppression. What I find personally frustrating is that I know so many Jews and so many Arabs, and I find far more in common with them than differences. And I find them all to be good friends and very nice people.

It's so frustrating to me that what should be so simple a solution, appropriate to both religions who subscribe to the Golden Rule of love thy neighboe as yourself, is so hard to practice.
 

Abdessalam Diab (153)
Monday May 27, 2013, 2:54 am
Hello EcRo
1 - You wrote that " Israel is God's Holy Land." Looking at your profile I recognized that you are Christian and according to your words " JESUS SAVED your life. That is great. However I have a question. Who will save Christians in Palestine from Zionism?

2 - As a Christian did you read
The inheritance of
Abraham? A report on
the ‘promised land’
REVISED VERSION
released by The Church of Scotland few days ago this May 2013?

The above mentioned report reached a " Conclusion " and " Proposed Deliverances " Which reads as follows :
Conclusion
From this examination of the various views in the Bible about the relation of land to the people of
God, it may be concluded that Christians should not be supporting any claims by any people to an
exclusive or even privileged divine right to possess particular territory. We believe that is a misuse
of the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament) and the New Testament to use it as a topographic
guide to settle contemporary conflicts over land. In the Bible, God’s promises extend in hope to all
land and people.
This theological approach is what we bring from our Christian perspective to the place of dialogue
with people of other faith communities grappling with the issues of land in Israel and the Occupied
Palestinian Territory. It does not judge the faith of others nor suggest that one perspective
supersedes another but it does challenge the manifestations of faith expressed by some on the
question of land in these troubled places.
In the context of the present situation in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territory we remain
committed to the following principles, previously set out and agreed by the General Assembly):
 That the current situation is characterised by an inequality in power and therefore
reconciliation can only be possible if the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and
East Jerusalem, and the blockade of Gaza, are ended.
 The Church of Scotland condemns violence, terrorism and intimidation no matter the
perpetrator
 The Church of Scotland affirms the right of Israelis and Palestinians to live within secure and
fixed boundaries in states of their own.
 The Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem and the West Bank are illegal under international
law. The Church of Scotland, individuals and civil organisations should urge the UK
Government and the European Union as a matter of urgency to put pressure on Israel to
cease from the expansion of these settlements.
 The Church of Scotland must remain in dialogue and fellowship with ecumenical partners
and the UK Jewish, Muslim and other faith communities to support concerns for justice and
peace.
 The Church of Scotland should do nothing to promote the viability of the illegal settlements
on Palestinian land.
 The Church of Scotland should support projects which prioritise peace-building, poverty
alleviation and the Palestinian economy.
 The Church of Scotland rejects racism and religious hatred. We condemn anti-Semitism and
Islamophobia. We support initiatives to make Scotland, and the Church of Scotland, a place
of welcome and hospitality.
 That human rights of all peoples should be respected, and this should include the right of
return and / or compensation for Palestinian refugees.
 That negotiations between the Government of Israel and the Palestinian Authority about
peace with justice must resume at the earliest opportunity and the Church of Scotland
should continue to put political pressure on all parties to commence such negotiations, and
asking all parties to recognise the inequality in power which characterises this situation.
 That there are safe rights of access to the sacred sites for the main religions in the area. 12
Proposed Deliverances
1. Refute claims that scripture offers any peoples a privileged claim for possession of a
particular territory.
2. Note that the current situation is characterised by an inequality in power and therefore
reconciliation can only be possible if the Israeli military occupation of the West Bank and
East Jerusalem, and the blockade of Gaza, are ended, and on that basis encourage all parties
and the international community to renew peace negotiations.
3. Condemn acts of terrorism, violence and intimidation whether committed by individuals,
organisations or governments.
4. Reaffirm the historic position of the Church of Scotland that Israel is a country which is
recognised within the international community of States, with all the rights and
responsibilities attendant on that status..
5. Reaffirm the historic commitment of the Church of Scotland to a State of Palestine with the
same rights and responsibilities, recognised within the international community of States,
with all the rights and responsibilities attendant on that status.
6. Reject racism and religious hatred and condemn anti-Semitism and Islamophobia.
7. Support ongoing commitment to dialogue and conversation, with particular concern to
make sure that those who are on the margins and whose voices are rarely heard get the
opportunity to be listened to, especially Christians who live in Israel and the Occupied
Palestinian Territory.
8. Instruct the Church and Society Council to publicise resources to encourage wide discussion
of the report The Inheritance of Abraham and its concluding principles.
9. Encourage the appropriate committees in Presbyteries to consider the report The
Inheritance of Abraham and bring it to the notice of their Presbytery.
10. Urge the UK Government and the European Union to do all that is within their power to
ensure that human rights are respected in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
11. Urge the UK Government and the European Union to do all that is within their power to
ensure that international law is upheld in Israel and the Occupied Palestinian Territories.13
12. Urge the UK Government and the European Union to use pressure to stop further expansion
of in Israeli settlements and remove existing illegal settlements in the Occupied West Bank.

3 - You may need to read the full report here:

http://www.churchofscotland.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/14050/The_Inheritance_of_Abraham.pdf


 

Birgit W. (140)
Monday May 27, 2013, 5:13 am
Thank you Abdessalam, great article.
 

ER C. (65)
Wednesday May 29, 2013, 12:45 pm
Thank you Abdessalam Diab for your attention to my comment.

I follow God's Holy Inspired Word through the King James Version of the our Holy Bible.

I love Gods people, the Jews.

I will soon clarify that in my profile, so as to not confuse others.

Thanks for your comment. :~)
 
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