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Nurses Set to Oppose Assisted Suicide

Health & Wellness  (tags: Valuing Life, Opposing Euthanasia, American Nurses Association, Commitment to Value of the Old and the I, Opposition to Culture of Suicide, Dignity of All Human Beings )

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The American Nursing Association has a draft opinion out reiterating its opposition to euthanasia and assisted suicide. It is well worth the read

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Roseann d (178)
Tuesday October 30, 2012, 3:36 pm
My aunt didn't need assisted suicide, when her quality of life and excruciating pain deteriorated to the point where she couldn't take it, she pulled the life support wires and tubes out herself. Isn't "artificial" life support against God's plan Paula? When God is calling ya home, why is it all of a sudden, some people don't want to go?

wolfNoFwdsPls a (135)
Tuesday October 30, 2012, 3:51 pm
" Ah! What a sign it is of evil life, when death's approach is seen so terrible! " -- Shakespeare, Henry VI, part 2, 3.3

(Ram Dass:) DEATH is NOT an outrage (but the most certain event of our lifes)

" Für jemanden, der praktiziert und sich vorbereitet hat, kommt der Tod nicht als Niederlage, sondern als Triumph - als glorreichster Augenblick und Krönung des Lebens. [For anyone who has practised [dharma] and prepared, Death does not come as defeat but as triumph - as the climax and crowning of life.] " -- Sogyal Rinpoche (*1947 Kham, Tibet)

Roseann d (178)
Tuesday October 30, 2012, 4:00 pm
Agreed, Wolf. That must be why Cheney is determined to live forever. ;-d

Paula M (39)
Tuesday October 30, 2012, 4:06 pm

Roseann, there is a very meaningful difference between refusing lifesaving medical intervention and assisted suicide.

As to God's plan, I think the issue has more to do with how to treat the life God has given us as a gift and as a responsibility. Chesterton's discussion of courage seems fitting here:

Let us follow for a moment the clue of the martyr and the suicide; and take the case of courage. No quality has ever so much addled the brains and tangled the definitions of merely rational sages. Courage is almost a contradiction in terms. It means a strong desire to live taking the form of a readiness to die. "He that will lose his life, the same shall save it," is not a piece of mysticism for saints and heroes. It is a piece of everyday advice for sailors or mountaineers. It might be printed in an Alpine guide or a drill book. This paradox is the whole principle of courage; even of quite earthly or quite brutal courage. A man cut off by the sea may save his life if he will risk it on the precipice.

He can only get away from death by continually stepping within an inch of it. A soldier surrounded by enemies, if he is to cut his way out, needs to combine a strong desire for living with a strange carelessness about dying. He must not merely cling to life, for then he will be a coward, and will not escape. He must not merely wait for death, for then he will be a suicide, and will not escape. He must seek his life in a spirit of furious indifference to it; he must desire life like water and yet drink death like wine. No philosopher, I fancy, has ever expressed this romantic riddle with adequate lucidity, and I certainly have not done so. But Christianity has done more: it has marked the limits of it in the awful graves of the suicide and the hero, showing the distance between him who dies for the sake of living and him who dies for the sake of dying. And it has held up ever since above the European lances the banner of the mystery of chivalry: the Christian courage, which is a disdain of death; not the Chinese [that is, Buddhist] courage, which is a disdain of life.


Phil Wood (210)
Wednesday October 31, 2012, 8:24 pm
It amazes that some of those in the health professions would not allow patients the dignity of choice. Some, because of their constitutions or the perversity of disease have a miserable quality of life and not allowing them to choose seems inhumane.

Fred Krohn (34)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 4:44 pm
Kurt Vonnegut's story 'Welcome to the Monkey House' has a potential answer to this quandary; establish a network of purple-roofed Ethical Suicide parlours adjacent to Howard Johnsons restaurants and inns. The Suicide Hostesses would not be nurses, though they will be medically trained and will allow applicants a range of near-painless ways out!

Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 4:52 pm
Paula M First... There is no God so life didn't come from one of the thousands of man invented celestial beings.
Second. So often people who have never experienced war at first hand are the ones so ready to quote homilies supporting their preconceived ideas of any number of things. Being a WW 2 participant, and having in my early teens seen too many lives prematurely lost I can vouch none die willingly, except when there is no alternative then the desire is for a swift and painless exit.

Your so romanticised passages, whilst poetically written, misses the point of the heroic acts of the warrior taking on superior forces to die gloriously in battle. He does so not as a lust for being remembered as brave, but to furiously kill as many as possible before he too joins them. all the time hoping it will be sudden.

My life, and yours, is the only real possession we ever have, and our desire to dispossess that life force, for any number of reasons should not be denied at the whim or behest of another individual's superstitious belief.

Recently my much loved son lay dying with cancer whilst I maintained bedside vigil in our local hospital,. He said, when in pain, and just three or four days from his eventual demise. "Tom finish me off please".. I would have loved to have been able. In many such cases an extra large dose of pain relieving medication IS given by the ones who really care, easing the way out. For me, when I go., and it slowly (I hope) comes closer I don't want to know about it.

Anne K (139)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 6:16 pm
When my cat Freida was dying of cancer and was in obvious pain and distress, and the veterinarians could do nothing more to help her, I had a vet come to my house and euthanize her to end her misery. If I am ever suffering like she was, I want to be able to choose euthanasia.

Paula - Why would anyone worship a god who allows such agony to be endured by the beings that according to Christians, "he loves"? My husband and I lean towards Buddhism. He is from England and I am from the US, of European descent.

Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday November 1, 2012, 10:08 pm
Paula M Wrong again.

As a belated P S ...Buddhism is NOT, I repeat NOT, a CHINESE religion. It was a philosophical search for life's meaning by the INDIAN Prince Ghutama, leading to lifelong lifelong quest for the understanding of life, that journey was still in place when he died, still searching. That others may have formalised the teachings into ritualistic religions (just like Christianity there are many and varied interpretations) doesn't alter one jot that "The Buddha" was not really religious. Like an agnostic, he hadn't really come to an final, binding, decision.

Lois Jordan (63)
Friday November 2, 2012, 2:46 pm
Choice. Personal freedom. This is what it's all about. If one prefers to die in peace, rather than live with constant, unbearable pain--why should I have a say in their choice? I certainly don't want them to have a say in my choice--not to say I wouldn't want to take the feelings of my family into consideration. But, once the choice is made, hopefully all will realize that each life is its own to live....and to die. Just so hard to get it through my head that people always think they can butt into others' lives and impose their own beliefs in matters of health.

Gloria H (88)
Friday November 2, 2012, 3:34 pm
Life is a gift, but if I decide to return it to sender, it should be my decision. No questions asked.

Madhavi Goldman (0)
Saturday November 3, 2012, 9:43 am
Roseann--in one paragraph you refer to "God's plan" (as you see it-one could say that it is God's plan to have created artificial life support etc.), and in another comment, you take a gratuitous very "unGodly" swipe at an ex-vice president. I know that politics has gotten so ugly nowadays that people feel free dehumanize and demonize the other team. But a comment like that-which I realize is an attempt at dark humor (and an assumption that everyone reading this page will think Cheney evil)-just brings down the tone of the discussion just as if you used the "f" word. I know there are statements in the Bible and in every scripture about defaming and finding fault with others-and slandering someones name. Just brings everyone down and bad karma for you. Enough already!!

Madhavi Goldman (0)
Saturday November 3, 2012, 9:59 am
Tom- Very sorry to for your son's suffering and passing.

But I'm responding to your comments about Buddhism.
Buddha (born an Indian Prince) did attain enlightenment. And his quest ended at that moment. Then he became a teacher. And like Jesus, his followers took his teachings to other lands.
Buddhism did find fertile soil in China and Japan and Tibet and Korea etc. There are many different forms of Buddhism. Some may practice it ritualistically, but in the West certainly it is practiced (whether as Zen Buddhism or a form of Tibetan Buddhism) as a path to know the Self, or to become free from suffering/enlightened.
When you state that Buddha died not having made a "decision" and still on his lifelong quest: that is simply not true. He was not seeking a "decision". He was seeking an end to suffering. And he most certainly found it -throught the "middle "way.-as he called it.
. If you read the Dhammapada or any Buddhist scripture or teachings of Buddha, you would know that was not true. I realize this has nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Well I amend that statement. We are talking about suffering and whether it's appropriate to help a person leave his body and his suffering through assisted suicide

Madhavi Goldman (0)
Saturday November 3, 2012, 10:00 am
Tom -sorry for typo at beginning of previous comment

Madhavi Goldman (0)
Saturday November 3, 2012, 10:03 am
and Buddha's was not a philosophical search-but an experiential one. Huge difference.
He saw that all life was suffering and the way out was through his middle way.

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Sunday November 4, 2012, 3:55 am
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