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Did Humankind Benefit From Alien Technologies?


Science & Tech  (tags: world, humans, society, technology, ufo, aliens, research, computers )

Evelyn
- 1162 days ago - agoracosmopolitan.com
When I first published this story on my site there was a backlash of anger of which I have never experienced before. People railed at me "so you think mankind is not smart enough to invent..



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. (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 5:59 am
Since the author provides no credible evidence to support his theory, I will continue to accept that humans do, in fact, manage to create new technologies and discover new knowledge on their own.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:15 am
Maybe; maybe not.
 

Bill K. (14)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:41 am
Whether humans created our advanced technologies or not, we've certainly proven incapable of using them for peaceful purposes that benefit us all, other species, or even our own planet. Instead we are little better than our prehistoric ancestors who used the latest club design to smash in the head of his neighbor.
 

Bob P. (425)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:55 am
perhaps perhaps no we probably will never be sure Thanks Evelyn
 

Carol H. (229)
Monday September 19, 2011, 8:52 am
thanks Evelyn, noted. interesting!
 

. (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 9:21 am
One of the major sources of the large amount of new technology being created in the 1950's forward was the space program - which was a serious boon to society in terms of technology that could be used or adapted for use in the private sector.
 

Past Member (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:32 pm
Yes, I think mankind is not smart enough....................
 

. (0)
Monday September 19, 2011, 2:48 pm
And unfortunately the author of this article isn't overly concerned with truthfulness in promoting his ideas:

"There was no evolution of the circuit board, one day it simply.... was!"

Really? "Early developments of the integrated circuit go back to 1949, when the German engineer Werner Jacobi (Siemens AG) [1] filed a patent for an integrated-circuit-like semiconductor amplifying device [3] showing five transistors on a common substrate arranged in a 2-stage amplifier arrangement. Jacobi disclosed small and cheap hearing aids as typical industrial applications of his patent. A commercial use of his patent has not been reported.

The idea of the integrated circuit was conceived by a radar scientist working for the Royal Radar Establishment of the British Ministry of Defence, Geoffrey W.A. Dummer (1909–2002). Dummer presented the idea to the public at the Symposium on Progress in Quality Electronic Components in Washington, D.C. on May 7, 1952.[4] He gave many symposia publicly to propagate his ideas, and unsuccessfully attempted to build such a circuit in 1956.

A precursor idea to the IC was to create small ceramic squares (wafers), each one containing a single miniaturized component. Components could then be integrated and wired into a bidimensional or tridimensional compact grid. This idea, which looked very promising in 1957, was proposed to the US Army by Jack Kilby, and led to the short-lived Micromodule Program (similar to 1951's Project Tinkertoy).[5] However, as the project was gaining momentum, Kilby came up with a new, revolutionary design: the IC....."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integrated_circuit

So it didn't just appear out of thin air.



 

Patricia W. (94)
Monday September 19, 2011, 3:04 pm
One thing's for sure, we'll probably never know the truth. TY Evelyn
 

Eternal Gardener (738)
Monday September 19, 2011, 6:38 pm
Thanks for the article... I'm with Bill.
 

Tim C. (2032)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 7:58 am
thanks
 

Brenda Towers (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:27 am
Noted. You have to be kidding!!
 

Sue Matheson (74)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:57 am
noted. hmmm
 

Brian M. (202)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:17 am
It is painfully apparent from this article that the aliens have not blessed us, primitive human beings, with any drugs to increase our intelligence sufficiently or to eliminate enough mental illness that we can reasonably comprehend why the simplest, most probable understanding of alien visitation is that it simply hasn't happened and most likely won't.
 

Roger M. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:50 am
It would only take a few minutes to come up with another list of astounding inventions. In a little while any of us could create a list ten times longer. I'm afraid it's nowhere near proving alien intervention. Sorry.

 

Roger M. (0)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 10:54 am
Though it should be said that the 100% genuine photo of an alien shaking hands with Adolf Hitler is, of course, incontrovertible proof of alien intervention. Surprised this photo isn't better known, really.
 

Roger Garin-michaud (105)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:01 pm
thanks
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:12 pm
Major flaws in the presumptions of the article; Most of the things were developed as the technology caught up to the concept. Leonardo DaVinci came up with the first idea of an Airplane and a tank. We had water driven and clockwork clocks as far back as the Greeks. The idea of what we now call a UAV was used by the Luftwaffe in WWII, while the idea that gave us cell phone technology (frequency switcher) was initially designed by Heddy Lamarr (yes, that Heddy Lamarr, the actress), during WWII. Transistors existed at that time, but were harder to produce and far more expensive than the vacuum tubes that were cheap and easy to replace. As we develop technology, we end up making it cheaper and easier to access over time.

Aliens? I seriously doubt it, since all of the technology that we have was created on the backs of years/decades/centuries of previous ideas and designs. The author is off his nut on this one.
He makes a lot of conjecture based on a failure to do his homework on the history of these technologies and a complete lack of understanding of how technology, in general, is developed.
 

Anthony Hilbert (6)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:12 pm
If you print a string of demonstrably untrue statements, you can expect a "backlash". Talking nonsense does have that effect. It's a Terran thing, you wouldn't understand.
 

Christopher Fowler (84)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:15 pm
Hey Roger Monk? Have you ever heard of Photoshop? Did you notice that the alien was slightly clearer in that pic than Hitler is? And let us not forget that the photo above was in the National Enquirer about 25 years ago. They didn't have Photoshop, but a good photographer could splice photos to make almost anyone that didn't know how the photo development process works.
 

Jim Phillips (3203)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 1:33 pm
The truth is out there... Somewhere...

Maybe the moon is really a giant spaceship that dropped of early prototypes of humans
on the planet Earth from millions of years ago...

Yes, mankind has really messed up this planet with the toxic wastes he produces on a daily basis...

Ty, Evelyn.
.


Humans do not deserve to live on this planet...
 

Brad Kraus (6)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 4:06 pm
The article provided no real proof. Just was? Sorry, and I agree with C. Fowler. The ideas have been out there and technology catches up sometimes.
 

Cecilia Bowerman (183)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 5:59 pm
mmmmm....mmmm not sure!!!
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 6:27 pm
I can't wait for the latest Bat Boy story.
 

Craig Zimmerman (86)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 6:28 pm
Weekly World News Lives !!!!!!
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 6:53 pm
Evelyn - we must have missed this before. However we would llike to say that we believe -beyond doubt - that there are far more intelligent species in the Universe than we have here on earth, and that being the case - they are what is called Highly Evolved Beings(HEBs). It is possible that some help has been given to us from time to time - but only for the BENEFIT of mankind. As you know - most of our time is spent on generating weapons of mass destruction - and going to war. We must be the planet with the least enlightenment because we procreate at a rate of knots, a third of the world starves or goes hungry and most of the wealth is in the hands of a few. So how can any thinking person say - we are SMART????? Thank you very much for the post Evelyn.
 

Alicia N. (87)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 8:58 pm
noted
 

Patricia E. G. (56)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 9:10 pm
Ditto Pat & Ed's comment.
 

june t. (66)
Tuesday September 20, 2011, 11:43 pm
always a good topic for the coffee room - thanks
 

Lionel G. (4)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 1:52 am
Technological advances don;t progress in a linear pattern but an exponential one. There/s nothing strange aout sudden bursts of creativity and invention, and no need to invoke extraterrestrial intervention. Complexity theory shows that big changes are often sudden, through spontaneous self-organization. Earth's ancient civilizations were advanced and sophisticated. Stone age people did not fit our cartoon image of buffoons in leopard skins carrying knobby clubs, dragging women to a cave by the heir and taking in grunts--UGH! UGH! In the neolithic most people lived in houses, wore clothes sewn from woven fabrics, created fine artwork, and had metallurgy. They achieved some technological feats we have not been able to duplicate. In about 8,000 BCE they could and did quarry 50-ton blocks of stone, move them around the Sphinx, and stack them in neat courses. We still don't know how they built the pyramids at Giza. Every modern theory has been discredited. Ancient civilizations were sophisticated, not "primitive." furthermore, they did not work too hard or long. That distinction belongs to us. We are the hardest, longest working people in history or prehistory. You are not supposed to know this.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:11 am
Quarrying and carting the stones for the pyramids, carving the heads on Easter Island(not from stone found on the Island, stonehenge et al - would have needed superhuman strength or - MIND power......under the right conditions the mind can be used to perform 'miracles'. We have lost the power to use our minds for the benefit of humanity. We believe aliens did and still do walk among us. However their assistance is limited. We are here to learn to do for ourselves and it is within us to be 'Gods' - we have to find the way back again. We had the power once and misused it like the ancients did in Atlantis
 

Pia M. (87)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:37 am
Patricia: "Quarrying and carting the stones for the pyramids, carving the heads on Easter Island(not from stone found on the Island, stonehenge et al - would have needed superhuman strength or - MIND power"

Nope. It takes just enough manpower (in Egypt there were hundreds of thousands of slaves available for hard physical work) and some simple technology like ramps, ropes and levers. Besides, the moai statues of Easter Island were made from the stone found on the island - even the quarries where it was mined are well known.

Lionel: Modern scientists have experimented (on a smaller scale) with the possible construction techniques of antiquity, and while there may not be concensus about all the techniques used, it doesn't mean that "every theory have been discredited". There just are a couple of theories, all possible, some more credible and probable than others.

As for the article, there's not one reference to the possibility of aliens and alien technology. It's just "wow have you ever thought how fast all technology has advanced since the fifties" and a timeline of some important inventions...
 

Rossy Osborne (0)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 2:56 am
Bill K. You summed up my thoughts exactly.
Thanks
 

Nirmal Awal (10)
Wednesday September 21, 2011, 7:01 am
The article gives no proof of aliens helping us in any manner for all the inventions mentioned.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:01 am
Pia there have been several attempts to emulate how the Egyptians carved the blocks for the pyramids - and how they got them into shape............. they proved nothing and so I stand by what I said - mind power- and perhaps a little help from the 'aliens'.
Nirmal - neither does it prove they didn't.
 

Pia M. (87)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:45 am
"Pia there have been several attempts to emulate how the Egyptians carved the blocks for the pyramids - and how they got them into shape............. they proved nothing and so I stand by what I said - mind power- and perhaps a little help from the 'aliens'."

Proved "nothing"? On the contrary, the experiments with construction techniques have proven them to work. Although there are a couple of theories of how exactly the pyramids were built, it doesn't mean their construction would have been impossible without extraterrestrial engineers...
- "Experiments done by the Obayashi Corporation, with concrete blocks 0.8 m square by 1.6 m long and weighing 2.5 tons, showed how 18 men could drag the block over a 1-in-4 incline ramp, at a rate of 18 meters per minute - - It is still not known whether the Egyptians used this method but the experiments indicate it could have worked using stones of this size."
- "Since the discussion of construction techniques to lift the blocks attempts to resolve a gap in the archaeological and historical record with a plausible functional explanation, the following examples by Isler, Keable, and Hussey-Pailo list experimentally tested methods. Isler's method (1985, 1987) is an incremental method and, in the Nova experiment (1992), used wooden shims or cribbing. Isler was able to lift a block up one tier in approximately one hour and 30 minutes. Peter Hodges’ and Julian Keable’s method is similar to Isler's method and instead small manufactured concrete blocks as shims, wooden pallets, and a pit where their experimental tests were performed. Keable was able to perform his method in approximately 2 minutes. Scott Hussey-Pailos's (2005) method uses a simple levering device to lift a block up course in one movement. This method was tested with materials of less strength than historical analogs (tested with materials weaker than those available in ancient Egypt), a factor of safety of 2, and lifted a 2500 pound block up one course in under a minute. This method is presented as a levering device to work complementary with Mark Lehner's idea of a combined ramp and levering techniques."
- "In 1997 Mark Lehner and Roger Hopkins, a stonemason from Sudbury, Massachusetts, teamed up to conduct a pyramid building experiment for a NOVA television episode. They built a pyramid 6 meters high by 9 meters square. A total of 162 cubic meters or about 405 tons. It was made out of 186 stones weighing an average of 2.2 tons each. They had a total of just over 3 weeks to build it due to their filming schedule. 12 quarrymen carved 186 stones in 22 days. They were able to erect it using 44 men. - - [A] short-cut taken was the use of a front end loader or fork lift truck. However, modern machinery was not and could not be used to finish the construction. They used levers to lift the capstone to a height of 20 feet (6.1 m). Four or five men were able to use levers on stones less than 1 ton to flip them over and transport them by rolling them. For the larger stones they had to tow them. They found that by putting the stones on wooden sledges and sliding the sledges on wooden tracks they were able to tow a 2 ton stone with 12 to 20 men. - - While the builders failed to duplicate the precise jointing created by the ancient Egyptians, Hopkins was confident this could have been achieved with more practice." (Wikipedia)

No need for aliens or mind power. Just ropes, ramps and enough workforce. Maybe some limestone concrete, too. A couple of articles on the subject (not scholarly ones, though):
BBC History: Building the Great Pyramid
The Surprising Truth About How the Great Pyramids Were Built
How Were The Egyptian Pyramids Built?
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 5:53 am
True, Pia. Rather like those who keep insisting that it must be aliens making crop circles since it's impossible for us to do in the time frame allowed. Despite the fact that it has been proven conclusively that it can be done literally overnight using perfectly human (and very simple) technology and effort. But it's much more enjoyable for many to continue believing in the more exotic theory rather than the more ordinary one.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:09 pm
Well you do seem to miss the point we make Pia. Still to each his own. Read Erik Von Daniken's theories on these monoliths and drawings - extremely interesting.....as is the Piri Reis map showing the earth from space.- compiled in 1513 - don't think planes and space ships were thought of then. So why get all stirred up if we earthlings have been helped along the way.
As for Lindsey's remarks re crop circles - some had admittedly been made by humans - as for the rest...............
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:21 pm
When faced with a thing, if an ordinary explanation of the thing's creation is logically possible (and in many cases known to be the true explanation) why substitute an extraordinary explanation?

Rather like my going to a doctor with a set of symptoms which would fit both the common cold and some exotic ailment only known to exist in the wilds of Borneo. Since the symptoms fit both, it would be rather unreasonable for my doctor to diagnose the exotic Bornean ailment.

And when it comes to the Piri Reis map, why state that the map shows "the earth from space"? It's just a map - accurate in some ways and inaccurate in others.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:31 pm
Trouble is you are so logical that you cannot think beyond the square. If is not set out in black and white - then according to people like you - it cannot be so. "THERE ARE MORE THINGS IN HEAVEN AND EARTH THAN ARE DREAM'T OF IN YOUR PHILOSOPHY - Lindsey.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:36 pm
No, P&E - it isn't a question of "it cannot be so." It's a question of assessing the LIKELIHOOD or UNLIKELIHOOD of something. Unless credible evidence exists supporting an extraordinary cause for something, it just makes sense to go with belief in an ordinary causation that's known to be possible.

Like with the exotic Bornean ailment. Such exotic ailments obviously exist. But if the symptoms are exactly like the common cold, it would be quite irresponsible of my doctor to treat me for something extremely unlikely to be the cause of my symptoms rather than something which is overwhelmingly more likely.

And if we know that humans have created crop circles that were mistaken for the work of aliens by 'believers', it makes sense to believe that the rest were also of human origin. Since there is ample evidence that humans can, and do, make crop circles to fool the public and no evidence of alien handiwork in that respect.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:44 pm
Just as a Care2 member who has a "double" forum name (such as "Patricia and Edward") could actually be one person with multiple personality disorder. But since there are certainly couples out there who choose to have a single forum account for the use of both and since multiple personality disorder is hardly a common condition then unless there is credible evidence of any given "double" having MPD, I'd say it's most reasonable to assume that such people really are a couple!

 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:45 pm
Same thing Lindsey - while you are busy assessing the likelihood or not of something...........life is passing by and you have missed the grand opportunity to stretch the mind and believe that IT CAN BE SO. We believe in going to the edge and then flying. We KNOW much of what we have read is TRUE. Doesn't matter whether crop circles originated from Aliens or Humans - gets the old grey matter working. A book that is very worthwhile - ALIEN LIAISON by Timothy Good - it is a real eye opener. But then - an open mind is required for such reading.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 8:54 pm
On the contrary, P&E - there are all sorts of exciting possibilities to consider in life (Mr. President, PLEASE give NASA lots and lots of funding!) But the issue is that while it's fun and reasonable to speculate about all the discoveries which may exist in the universe, it's unreasonable to look around us at ordinary things and start thinking that some unknown and wonderous process is at work rather than what is likeliest to be at work.

Reality is really exciting, to my way of thinking.

And how can we ever hope to understand what we encounter around us if we don't try to judge it accurately?
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 9:36 pm
The crux of the matter Lindsey lies in the body of the newspost itself. As Evelyn put it - she received a 'backlash' of anger such as she had never experienced before - because she posted news that should have encouraged people to look outside the square. What happened was that people became indignant and frightened- sort of "aliens are taking over our minds' thing. Whereas to us - it gave us a wonderful release in simply writing about how we perceive things and what we believe in. We do not look at everyday things and think - oh some unknown process has been at work - we look at things as see them as God created.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 10:53 pm
Carpe diem Lindsey - I did have a lot of respect for you at one time but you are now showing your true colours and the sarcasm is not becoming. I write on behalf of Ed - since he is not well - and our photo as a married couple is there for all to see....... if there are any 'disorders' - I would say - first look inwards before you look outwards. You may not like what you see.
 

. (0)
Thursday September 22, 2011, 11:18 pm
I'd be very surprised if the author received a "backlash of anger such as she had never experienced before" over what's in this article. Since it's old news - the speculation that aliens have visited our world, have assisted us technologically, etc. has been written of for quite a few decades now and has been the subject of quite a few television programs. And is hardly concern for fear over something like "aliens are taking over our minds", etc. (since supposedly these aliens have been visiting us for thousands of years most intelligent people would assume they would have long since "taken over our minds" if any such thing were likely to have happened.)

I would imagine that any actual evidence being found of aliens visiting our planet would indeed spark fear in quite a few people - but since that evidence hasn't been shown to exist as yet most look at the speculation in the same way they would an episode of Star Trek. Since we've been exposed to quite a bit more science fiction and scientific speculation since the days when Welles' broadcast of War of the Worlds caused such an uproar.

What most rational people seem to feel when seeing this kind of thing is the tiredness over seeing yet another piece of unproven speculation being promoted by often dishonest means. Pseudoscience and superstition are a pox on our society.



 

Pia M. (87)
Friday September 23, 2011, 12:55 am
Patricia, I recall glancing Von Däniken's books when I was about ten years old and interested in science fiction - since then I've learnt the difference between evidence-based sciences and pseudosciences. Nowadays I rather not read "information" of the latter category (especially pseudohistory - oh how I've grown to hate it...), because stupidity hurts. I believe such unsubstantiated hokum should be labeled, to warn those incapable of source criticism...

"life is passing by and you have missed the grand opportunity to stretch the mind and believe that IT CAN BE SO" While I'm perfectly capable of amusing myself occasionally imagining "what if" scenarios (or reading fantasy / sci-fi, thus "what if" scenarios created by professional writers), I regard believing in them and even building a worldview on them as if they were factual as abuse of intellectual capacity. It's all about likelihood and unlikelihood, as Lindsey put it. Occam's Razor. If several experimental archaeologists have shown how pyramids could have been built, a variety of techniques proven possible, it's quite clear that "ropes, ramps and manpower" is a far more plausible and probable explanation than aliens or mind power. Of which there's still no evidence.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday September 23, 2011, 2:40 am
Believing that we are perhaps descended from Aliens - or that they visited this planet cannot be proved or disproved. Rather like the Bible - you either believe it or you don't. For those that believe no proof is necessary. If you are happy in your little corner of the world Pia believing what you do - then so be it. Science has only surmised how the pyramids were built - they don't know for sure and probably never will until they open their minds to ALL POSSIBILITIES..... pretty much like you need to Pia.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday September 23, 2011, 2:43 am
Something more Pia - you RECALL 'glancing' at Von Daniken's books' when you were 10YEARS OLD??? How on earth could you form an opinion by merely 'glancing' - as a 10yr old????????????????????? You are not an authority on anything we are talking about here are you?
 

Pia M. (87)
Friday September 23, 2011, 4:35 am
"If you are happy in your little corner of the world Pia believing what you do - then so be it. Science has only surmised how the pyramids were built - they don't know for sure and probably never will until they open their minds to ALL POSSIBILITIES..... pretty much like you need to Pia."

So we're at ad hominems now? Yes, unfortunately the ancient Egyptians didn't leave any "Pyramid construction for dummies" manuals, which would solve this problem for once and for all. However, I don't see any reason why egyptologists and archaeologists should "open their minds" to the possibility that maybe pyramids were built or at least designed with the aid of extraterrestrials - and I have every reason to believe such a hypothesis would only lead us further from the truth and sound science.

"you RECALL 'glancing' at Von Daniken's books' when you were 10YEARS OLD??? How on earth could you form an opinion by merely 'glancing' - as a 10yr old????????????????????? You are not an authority on anything we are talking about here are you?"

I would consider myself somewhat of an authority on pyramids (Stonehenge, maui) only if I did professional research on the subject. Which I don't, nor have I ever said so. I do work with some related materials, in a related scientific discipline, however, and I do have some archaeologists among my professional contacts. As for Von Däniken, I'm quite sure I have "glanced" his books, in the sense of "borrowing one or some of them from a library, reading, maybe just partly, not getting interested enough to buy the books or re-read them". My opinion on his theories is not based ONLY on my early encounter with his books - you can't avoid his name and theories if you happen to stumble onto ANYTHING related to pseudoarchaeology (especially "ancient astronauts"), unfortunately. He's an author, not having any education in archaeology, not a scientist and his theories are widely discredited among the scientific community - as I checked some information on him to refresh my memory, it seems he's been caught fabricating evidence as well. That's how science is NOT made. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence", which he has failed to provide.

"Pseudoarchaeology, also known as alternative archaeology, fringe archaeology, fantastic archaeology, or cult archaeology, refers to interpretations of the past from outside of the academic archaeological community, which typically also reject the accepted scientific and analytical methods of the discipline. These pseudoscientific interpretations involve the use of archaeological data to construct theories about the past that differ radically from those of mainstream academic archaeology."
If you wish to base your "knowledge" on pseudoscience and believe in unsubstantiated sensationalist fantasies as "possible theories", I'm afraid you have even less authority on the subject.
 

. (0)
Friday September 23, 2011, 5:25 am
Since there is no evidence that we might have been descended from aliens, why would the theory ever have been put forth? My cat might be an alien too; however since I never saw anything which would cause me to think that might be the case, it's a theory that frankly never crossed my mind except when trying to think of an example for purposes of this discussion.

First comes a reason to form an hypothesis - then comes formation of the hypothesis. Search for evidence which will corroborate (or not) the hypothesis. Development of theory if evidence is credible enough.

But first comes the REASON to form the hypothesis to begin with. Belief-out-of-the-blue is not a reason in logic.
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Friday September 23, 2011, 9:51 pm
Since Pia and Lindsey are stuck in a groove - we will rest our case. Talking about 'reality' - who's reality is it? Certainly not ours. Reality rests with God in our opinion - we are just living the 'Dream or Nightmare' - as the case may be.
 

. (0)
Saturday September 24, 2011, 12:20 am
It's everyone's reality. Reality is what is and doesn't give a hoot about how we perceive it.
 

Lika S. (130)
Saturday October 1, 2011, 11:44 pm
Well, the science may be solid how this guy tells it. but seriously? Hahaahah! ET, giving us all this extra technology? I suppose the Renaissance, Agricultural & Industrial revolutions were due to alien forces also, yet they are a secret to all of history? I suppose the secrecy is about conspiracy theory, correct? Sorry, I'm not paranoid.
 
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