Monday November 9, 2009, 1:03 pm
thank You Jill!

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:09 pm

I'm hoping that this will be deleted in the Senate.

How OUTRAGEOUS that a female Speaker of the House would be a ringleader in eliminating women's reproductive rights!

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:51 pm
The Corporations, pure and simply, do whatever they can to limit and discredit ANYONE that gets in their way. ANYONE! Your fight may be just, but they will only use more of their resources to discredit you! This is not whims of fancy! This is a very real, deadly, an insidious problem that years later has hit closer to home for the small biz folks! They didn't see it coming but the employee and family members of those being made the scapegoat got a handle on it WAY BACK WHEN. The middle class is now among the missing in action! Many more employees are being laid off. The employees laid off at Enron could tell US a tale of betrayal. Why? Who caused this? Wages have not gone up worth a damn but insurance premiums, interest rates and the cost of living, have.

From where I found myself, going back to the early 90's, some small business folks cared not who paid as long as they got what they were after. The small biz administration in my state of Nevada was run by a cut throat lady, who, along with big biz, ran ads, gave interviews. Their target? The target was the little guy who could not afford commercials airing their side. Employees were being left out to dry. Even back then the health care issue was hot and heavy! The workman's comp system, run by the state, along with private insurers in the mix, would have been better called "Break the union and the backs of the workers and, redistribute the wealth so it goes to big biz and, for a time, to appease them, small biz! The small biz advocate is now working for a big Insurer! Guess there wasn't much of a future in being a small biz advocate.

The union bosses were missing in action as well back then and some of them, good guys, were really reeling from the effects of what was coming down the pike! A take over was in progress by major players in the world of big biz and the Insurers! And our elected officials were in that dastardly mix! The word making the rounds at that time was the employee was a malingerer looking for a free ride. Commercials were geared towards desecrating the employee. Some doctors sold their soul to the company store by denying an injury had taken place or, it was called, PRE-EXISTING!

I know this first hand because I recorded a doctor who had the audacity to "Dare" make an evaluation saying there was no injury to a certain employee I was assisting at the time. This individual had already had an independent evaluation that spelled out a different story from the insurers hit man Doctor.. The recording caught this doctor red handed. Why else do you think that "Tort Reform" is such a big issue with some doctors? Why would a patient sue a doctor unless they were damaged by that doctor? Even if you sue you pay hell to collect. The Republicans are doing everything they can with help from turncoat Democrats to enact Tort Reform. Then what??? What's in it for them? Where does that leave the average American that's now faced with a Health Care bill HR 3962 which only serves to tighten the noose? Insurers in the biz of health is an oxymoron! Health Care for Profit, instead of Health Care for the American people is the only health care system they are concerned with! After all, it is the state of their personal bank accounts they are concerned with!

This takeover was in the works for a long while. The Reagan years gave it the life needed to take off. Even the NAFTA monster was the elder Bush's baby! Why else do we think that the Clinton administration was under fire 24/7 and this democrat signed the bill into law? By creating deregulation and that "trickle down economics" which has, of late, attacked their next victim, small biz folks, the foundation for take over was laid. The Middle class, as we like to refer to them, was to become the next casualty. And so they have!

My observation is that the Bail-Outs, the Fisa Bill and the Health Care bill, even the war in Iraq, have something in common. Bait and Switch! Then spin the issue to death! The Republicans and the Democrats have been playing good cop bad cop with the American people for a long time and so far, damn, it's worked! To those who are well healed, my hats off to you if you got there without cutting the throat of others. But cut throats are running the show and they began their underhanded quest in various States running their bogus, brain washing, ads! Many of which called the employee, especially one injured on the job, malingerers. If you were an employee with an issue, you were considered a trouble maker looking for a free ride! Unsafe work places, that were dangerously unsafe, were not unsafe according to the media hype! Soon the media ignored the pleas of the little guy. We can all see that from where our media's been going for a long while. Big biz owns all the major networks, and have bought most Legislators!

The way this health care bill HR 3962 reads in it's present language, http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/106xx/doc10688/hr3962Rangel.pdf
leaves room for concern. How many pages (1,990) does it take to do some good! Not many I would say! How many pages does it take for the masters of confusion, the gr$$d mongers, to pull off another heist? Read the bill and you tell me! This is the Senate's version (HR 3200), http://candicemiller.house.gov/pdf/hr3200.pdf! Pages in this bill Over 1000!

Drug companies, not only physicians, are looking for protection from law suits, Pharmaceuticals have already made guinea pigs out of the average citizen with drugs that are sicker then the person taking them. The commercials nauseate me because they are designed to be disclaimers. Why in the world would you take something that may "KILL YOU"? And if you sue you'll be challenged in court. What did you know and when did you know it!

The games power brokers play with the lives of others is an abomination! There was a time these players would be playing in a state or federal prison. Today they get rewarded with bonuses and perks!

The bill will not take effect till 2013.

Monday November 9, 2009, 1:51 pm
There's a method to the madness that placed the date at 2013.. What's your guess? It's also my bet that there will be lawsuits up the you know what since HR 3962 forces folks to purchase health care! That is, unless the legislators ask for tort reform! America stepped into the Twilight Zone and that should concern all Americans no matter your politics the tics are scary!

Monday November 9, 2009, 8:23 pm
Thannnxxx... Just C she obviously has not been put into that position.. until she faces it she won't have a change of heart...

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 2:50 am
I just tried to post this, Jill...and got linked to your post, instead:

I think it is really essential that people be informed of shredded healthcare hopes being proclaimed a great victory, and Dennis Kucinich & Jane Hamsher, founder of the Firedoglake, both of whom speak out in this Democracy Now! program are among the best to explain what has happened.

Besides being heartsick over the weakening of the public option to the point where it can offer no serious competition to the private insurance companies, I am particularly distressed to find out that the amendment that would have protected the right of states to pursue a single-payer system was simply eliminated !! Kucinich explains here that after it was passed by the Education & Labor Committee, the administration weighed in heavily and influenced the leaders of Congress to take it out of the bill. This is scandalous! And amounts to the insurance industry dictating legislation -- now they have their hands free to prosecute single-payer initiatives at the state or local level -- in fact, the govt could prosecute for them, since it is now simply illegal, if my understanding is correct!
As Kucinich says, 'ten states which are actively involved in single-payer movements. And I fought to get that amendment in the bill to make sure that states would not be subject to the kind of legal attacks that are building by the insurance companies against efforts at local, county and state levels to have their own single-payer system, so they’re not strapped by the rising cost of insurance companies, their administrative costs, their profits, their stock options."


I will try to get this post onto FrontPage.

There is a lot of interesting information on the makings of the bill from the AlterNet articles : I posted one that explains much of the wrangling, delays, obstructors, concessions, etc and links to another which tells more on what exactly is in the bill and what battles are likely to arise in a conference committee, which I've reproduced in the comments section of the post: "House of Representatives Passes Health-Care Reform Bill " and "5 Key Fights We Face Against the Insurance Industry"

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 5:49 am
Thank you Jill.

Nick

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 7:47 am
I couldn't agree more with you Carole.

Tuesday November 10, 2009, 8:01 am
Check this out
Options: Don't Work, Get a Divorce, Pass Single Payer, Move to Canada if you are not depressed enough.

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 1:01 pm
Single payer Expanded Medicare for All HR 676, the ONLY economical and humane way to go.
This if from the PEN
A couple weeks ago the Democratic Senate Committee put out a video
called "I'm A Democrat, And I'm A Republican" (itself a play on the
cultural icon Mac ads), begging us for more campaign contributions
based on the premise that even 60 votes in their caucus is not enough
to pass a decent bill. So we decided to produce a series of our own
issue advocacy satire videos, to propagate the truth that NEITHER the
Democrats NOR the Republicans want real health care reform. And you
can watch the first one on this page.

Medicare For All Fax Action Page:
http://www.peaceteam.net/action/pnum1020.php

And from the same action you can also send a fax (for no charge) to
all your members of Congress (or special new advocacy capability)
calling for the passage of Medicare for All, instead of the
ridiculous sell out to medical corporation special interests that
barely squeaked out of the House over the weekend, and only at the
additional price of a total betrayal of a woman's right to choose.

For this special fax action there is a prepared petition text which
you can read on the page above, calling on Congress to get serious
about doing something the American people all want, and pass to
economical and efficient Medicare for all. But you can still add any
personal comments of your own you like.

And if you are represented by any member of the Congressional
so-called Progressive Caucus, you might tell them how profoundly
ASHAMED of them you are, given that outside of the courageous
exceptions of Dennis Kucinich and Eric Massa not one of others voted
against this terrible, awful bill (HR 3962). Remember back in June
they all signed a letter that they would only support a bill with a
"robust" public option. Instead they all voted for a total corporate
insurance take over of our national health care system, and they were
so anxious to sell out any principle they ever claimed to have, that
they threw a woman's right to choose under the bus along the way.

Please take careful note we said a CORPORATE take over of health
care. Because the only thing more dishonest that the Democrats
claiming there is some kind of meaningful public option in the bill
are the Republicans braying that it is a government take over. It is
not "socialized" medicine as the "one smear fits all" demagogues on
the right shout, but instead capitalist medicine, with the most
feeble possible public plan they thought they could pass off to the
American people.

And of course, nobody expects the Senate to turn it into something
better. Instead, it will be a monumental struggle now to even derail
the horrible anti-choice provision, which dictates that after a woman
is forced to buy one of the official overpriced insurance exchange
plans, even if she paid for it with 100% of her own money, that
provider cannot cover the expense of an abortion.

For those who argued we should just pass SOMETHING, even if it was a
bad bill, because they said we could fix it later, this is what you
get from a strategy of perpetual compromise, a bill that is utterly
beyond redemption. It's time to throw HR 3962 in the medical waste
bin, and do what should have been done in the first place, build a
new national health care system on what actually DOES work, by
extending the existing economical and efficient Medicare plan to all
ages.

Wednesday November 11, 2009, 3:51 pm
I've never seen a country so divided about something that should be a woman's choice - not that of every voter in America. Not to swoop down & attack either the 18 yr. olds or 80 yr olds, but I just can't ever imagine them making the correct decision for what my body wants or needs!