Friday October 10, 2008, 2:18 am
I like the idea of more investments in Green Energy so do the experts!
Lomborg, “if we are to find a workable and economically smart solution, we would do well to look at the best climate solution from the top economists from the Copenhagen Consensus. They found that, unlike even moderate CO2 cuts, which cost more than they do good should focus on investing in finding cheaper low-carbon energy. This requires us to invest massively in energy research and development (R&D). Right now, we don’t – because the climate panic makes us focus exclusively on cutting CO2.”

We do not need oil, could have changed after the first oil crisis back in 1973 but we did not why? because BIG OIL wants you to buy at rediculous prices EXXON made 600 Billlion in the last 6 years thank you GWB! GO GREEN!

Friday October 10, 2008, 10:52 am
Thank you Gregory. The only thing that has held us back is GWB and big business.

Friday October 10, 2008, 2:32 pm
First there is no "climate crisis", but there sure is a financial one.

The only problem with burning oil and coal is that most of the oil is imported and thus a drain on the economy. Coal utilization technologies have advanced to the point where it doesn't even have to be mined.

You really need to pay attention to what is going on instead of being diverted to a non-issue which will profit the same people who are confiscating people's savings.

Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"
Naomi Wolf, AlterNet.
http://www.alternet.org/rights/101958/thousands_of_troops_are_deployed_on_u.s._streets_ready_to_carry_out_%22crowd_control%22/?page=entire

Friday October 10, 2008, 4:24 pm
Whether you believe in global warming or not, fossil fuels are finite and polluting. It just makes sense that we move beyond oil & coal, and begin focusing on cleaner, renewable energy sources. Of course some will profit from solar panels & wind turbines. No one is going to produce them for free. But more of those profits can stay in our own country. And everyone benefits from a cleaner environment.

Friday October 10, 2008, 4:37 pm
Its a disgrace that the advert,relating to alternative energy,was pulled.ABC shows ads from many polluters,but refuses to show an ad outlining a different strategy.How is that democracy?Cometh the hour,cometh the easily bought yes-men.

Friday October 10, 2008, 5:05 pm
"The only problem with burning oil and coal is that most of the oil is imported and thus a drain on the economy. Coal utilization technologies have advanced to the point where it doesn't even have to be mined.

You really need to pay attention to what is going on instead of being diverted to a non-issue which will profit the same people who are confiscating people's savings."

Wow, Judy, you really believe in that "clean coal" crap? How strange that you protest against one "scam" and attempt to promote another!

Friday October 10, 2008, 5:13 pm
Hopefully,someday we will be able to move beyond coal and petroleum. right now, there is no reason to since the CO2 Hypothesis of "Global Warming" has been shown to be very, very wrong. That gives us plenty of time to come up with substitutes way before the expected ending of finite resources.

It's cooling even though CO2 levels continue to rise. The warming nightmare is over if you all just wake up!

Just a few months ago climate scientists were predicting record warming for 2008. But now NASA and several university studies show that the earth is cooling and that we have at least 20 years, and perhaps as much as 30 years, of colder than normal temperatures ahead of us. So where were the computer models on that one? The "Earth has a fever" crowd is surely gearing up to blame man-made global warming for cooling as well."
http://www.globalwarminghoax.com/news.php?extend.68.1

Friday October 10, 2008, 7:07 pm
I am skeptical of any solution other than a powering down to a more sustainable level. No Big Wind dominated by the same companies controlling the petrol market!

Friday October 10, 2008, 11:40 pm
You don't get to create your own reality, Judy! How many times must we point out that one or two years of cooling do NOT make a climate trend, which is defined over several decades?! The average global temperatures of the first years of the 21st Century have still been higher than those of the mid 20th Century. So how are we cooling? At best there has been a slight delay in global warming, but it is far from being reversed. We will only know that after a few more decades. And we must then identify the cause of that cooling, just as we had to identify the cause of the warming that occured before. We did that, but YOU deny it!

Saturday October 11, 2008, 12:33 am
Neither you do get to deny reality either, Dale. Just because it ruins the scam doesn't mean that cooling isn't happening or that it won't continue.


New Research Indicates Climate Similar to the 1800s Within the Next 15 Years: First Stage of Global Cooling Will Begin During 2008-2009

New research findings released in the peer reviewed book "Global Warming -- Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found," links seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles as the cause for all 2200 global warming events during the past half million years, including the earth's current warming cycle. It also links the cycles to a natural 50 percent increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide during the 10,000 year period leading up to the peak of all recurring 116,000 year mega global warming cycles. Meteorologist and climate researcher David Dilley of Global Weather Oscillations http://www.globalweathercycles.com, says the gravitational cycles act like a magnet by pulling the atmosphere's high pressure systems northward or southward by as much as 3 or 4 degrees of latitude from their normal seasonal positions. As the current gravitational cycle declines, global temperatures will begin cooling during 2008-09 with dramatic global cooling by 2023.
Global Warming -- Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found

Ocala, FL (PRWEB) July 8, 2008 - New findings released in the peer reviewed book "Global Warming -- Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found", meteorologist and climate researcher David Dilley utilizes nearly a half million years of data linking long term gravitational cycles of the moon as the cause for the present global warming, rises in carbon dioxide levels, and for 2200 global warming cycles during the past half million years.

Mr. Dilley of Global Weather Oscillations has found seven different types of recurring gravitational cycles ranging from the very warm 460,000 year cycle down to a 230 year recurring global warming cycle. All of the gravitational cycles coincide nearly 100 percent with 2200 global warming events during the past half million years. This includes the earth's current warming cycle which began around the year 1900, and the first stage of global cooling that will begin during 2008 and 2009.

The gravitational cycles are called the Primary Forcing Mechanism for Climate (PFM), and act like a magnet by pulling the atmosphere's high pressure systems northward or southward by as much as 3 or 4 degrees of latitude from their normal seasonal positions, and thus causing long-term shifts in the location of atmospheric high pressure systems.

The shifts of nearly 3 degrees of latitude, or approximately 290 kilometers (180 miles) results in an overall change in the atmospheric circulation in such a manner to cause the climate to migrate northward during global warming cycles and allow some melting of high latitude snow and ice packs, and a rises in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels through a very complex natural feedback system.

This natural feedback allows carbon dioxide which is being stored and trapped in high latitude vegetation, soils, tundra and colder oceans for up to several hundred thousand years, to be released naturally back into the atmosphere during global warming events.

The natural climate shifts and associated natural rises in carbon dioxide occur approximately every 230 years as a recurring PFM gravitational cycle reaches its peak. Stronger global warmings occur with more powerful gravitational cycles every 920 years and 5000 years, with the greatest increase in global temperatures and carbon dioxide levels occurring during mega PFM gravitational cycles every 116,000 and 460,000 years.

Every 116,000 years, all but one of the seven different types of PFM gravitational cycles peak at the same time, with these simultaneous peaks causing a major shift in the earth's climate. These 116,000 year mega global warmings cycles have occurred four times during the past 360,000 years, all of which experienced a major rise in temperatures. The temperature rises were then followed by a natural rise in atmospheric carbon dioxide levels of about 50 percent during the 10,000 year period leading up to the peak of the cycle. This same scenario is occurring during the current 116,000 year PFM global warming cycle which is now peaking and also experiencing a carbon dioxide increase near 50 percent.

Every 460,000 years all seven PFM gravitational cycles peak at the same time. This has happened only twice during the past half million years. The first occurrence was 460,000 years ago, with this event causing major long term global warming with portions of the Antarctic becoming nearly void of ice. The next cycle is now occurring 460,000 years later and is again associated with major melting of the ice packs in the Polar Regions.

Research by Mr. Dilley shows a near 100 percent correlation between the PFM gravitational cycles to the beginning and ending of global warming cycles. Global warming cycles began right on time with each PFM cycle during the past half million years, as did the current warming which began 100 years ago, and it will end right on time as the current gravitational cycle begins its cyclical decline.

Global temperatures have cooled during the past 12 months. During 2008 and 2009 the first stage of global cooling will cool the world's temperatures to those observed during the years from the 1940s through the 1970s. By the year 2023 global climate will become similar to the colder temperatures experienced during the 1800s.

The release of the book "Global Warming- Global Cooling, Natural Cause Found" culminates 19 years of research clearly linking gravitational cycles as the cause for fluctuations within the earth's climate. The book is available as an electronic e-Book on the website http://www.globalweathercycles.com . The author David Dilley is a meteorologist and climate researcher with Global Weather Oscillations Inc. (GWO), former meteorologist with the National Weather Service, and co-host of the radio program "the Politically Incorrect Weather Guys" airing weekly on RadioEarNetwork.com, an internet streaming radio program.http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/07/prweb1081014.htm
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/07/prweb1081014.htm

Saturday October 11, 2008, 12:38 am
Now try these:
Global Cooling: Global Warming has Ended – Many Scientists Say -

August 21, 2008
Scientists and peer reviewed studies show growing concern for cooling
Marc Morano's Round-Up
2008 So Far Coolest For at Least 5 Years Says World Meteorological Organization – 'First half of 2008 the coolest since 2000'
Scientists and peer reviewed studies agree.
Excerpt: - The first half of 2008 was the coolest for at least five years, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) said on Wednesday. The whole year will almost certainly be cooler than recent years, although temperatures remain above the historical average. […]
The global mean temperature to end-July was 0.28 degrees Celsius above the 1961-1990 average, the UK-based MetOffice Hadley Centre for climate change research said on Wednesday. That would make the first half of 2008 the coolest since 2000. […] Chillier weather this year is partly because of a global weather pattern called La Nina that follows a periodic warming effect called El Nino. "We can expect with high probability this year will be cooler than the previous five years," said Omar Baddour, responsible for climate data and monitoring at the WMO. "Definitely the La Nina should have had an effect, how much we cannot say." "Up to July 2008, this year has been cooler than the previous five years at least. It still looks like it's warmer than average," added Baddour. (LINK)
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/49875/story.htm

'This is going to be catastrophic' - Brrr! Farmers' Almanac says cold winter ahead – Associated Press – August 20, 2008
Excerpt: Households worried about the high cost of keeping warm this winter will draw little comfort from the Farmers' Almanac, which predicts below-average temperatures for most of the U.S. "Numb's the word," says the 192-year-old publication, which claims an accuracy rate of 80 to 85 percent for its forecasts that are prepared two years in advance. The almanac's 2009 edition, which goes on sale Tuesday, says at least two-thirds of the country can expect colder than average temperatures, with only the Far West and Southeast in line for near-normal readings.

"This is going to be catastrophic for millions of people," said almanac editor Peter Geiger, noting that the frigid forecast combined with high prices for heating fuel is sure to compound problems households will face in keeping warm. The almanac predicts above-normal snowfall for the Great Lakes and Midwest, especially during January and February, and above-normal precipitation for the Southwest in December and for the Southeast in January and February. The Northeast and Mid-Atlantic regions should be getting an unusually wet or snowy February, the almanac said. The forecasts, which are spelled out in three- and four-day periods for each region, are prepared by the almanac's reclusive prognosticator Caleb Weatherbee, who uses a secret formula based on sunspots, the position of the planets and the tidal action of the moon.
http://news.mainetoday.com/updates/031815.html

Low Sun Spots ‘associated with bitter winters known as the little ice age’ - Scientists disagree over lack of sunspots - Wednesday, 20 August 2008 | The Australian Financial Review | By Mark Lawson
Excerpt: The next cycle is taking a long time to start, and this lack of activity has prompted observers to invoke the possibility of another Maunder Minimum - a period from 1645 to 1715 with very few sunspots, which is associated with a sequence of bitter winters known as the little ice age. […] Willie Soon, a researcher at the Harvard Smithsonian Centre for Astrophysics in Cambridge, Massachusetts, says he has identified a clear link between the sun's activity - as indicated by its magnetic activity - and temperature variations in the Arctic and Greenland over 130 years.

Soon tells The Australian Financial Review he chose this area for study as it has good temperature records and is an area sensitive to climate change, so that the signal from any one climatic influence should be easier to spot. He also says he can point to a physical mechanism in the circulation of the ocean linking the sun's influence on temperature in the region. Soon was due to present his results at the 33rd International Geological Conference in Oslo this week. He was co-chairing a sun-climate connection session with Bob Carter, a professor at the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University and a noted Australian climate sceptic.

Another scientist who says he has identified a link between the sun's activity and climate - in particular between rainfall in Australia and sunspots - is Robert Baker, an associate professor at the University of New England's School of Human and Environmental Studies. Baker tells the AFR he has identified a strong correlation between sunspots, the sun's magnetic activity and the Southern Oscillation Index (SOI). He says variations in the earth's magnetic field account for about half of the variation in the SOI, and that changes in sunspot activity as an indicator of magnetic activity can be correlated with rainfall patterns in south-east Australia.

The Bureau of Meteorology has rejected Baker's reasoning and a paper by him was not accepted by the Australian Meteorological Magazine. But Baker says his analysis has been accepted by the peer-reviewed journal Solar Terrestrial Physics for publication in December.
CO2Skeptic LINK & AFR LINK

‘Global warming of the past 30 years is over’ – July 20, 2008 - By Geologist Dr. Don J. Easterbrook, Emeritus Professor at Western Washington University, who has authored eight books and 150 journal publications.
Excerpt: Addressing the Washington Policymakers in Seattle, WA, Dr. Don Easterbrook said that shifting of the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) from its warm mode to its cool mode virtually assures global cooling for the next 25-30 years and means that the global warming of the past 30 years is over.

The announcement by NASA that the (PDO) had shifted from its warm mode to its cool mode (Fig. 1) is right on schedule as predicted by past climate and PDO changes (Easterbrook, 2001, 2006, 2007) and is not an oddity superimposed upon and masking the predicted severe warming by the IPCC. This has significant implications for the future and indicates that the IPCC climate models were wrong in their prediction of global temperatures soaring 1°F per decade for the rest of the century.
Whats Up With That LINK

ALERT: Mexican scientist warn Earth will enter 'Little Ice Age' for up to 80 Years Due to decrease in solar activity! – August 16, 2008
Excerpt: An expert from the National Autonomous University of Mexico predicted that in about ten years the Earth will enter a "little ice age" which will last from 60 to 80 years and may be caused by the decrease in solar activity. Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the UNAM, as argued earlier during a conference that teaches at the Centre for Applied Sciences and Technological Development. […]

Velasco Herrera described as erroneous predictions of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), pursuant to which the planet is experiencing a gradual increase in temperature, the so-called global warming. The models and forecasts of the IPCC "is incorrect because only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity," said the specialist also in image processing and signs and prevention of natural disasters.

The phenomenon of climate change, he added, should include other kinds of factors, both internal, such as volcanoes and the very human activity, and external, such as solar activity. […] "In this century glaciers are growing", as seen in the Andes, Perito Moreno, Logan, the highest mountain in Canada, and with Franz-Josef Glacier, New Zealand, said Velasco Herrera. […] The prognosis on the emergence of a new Ice Age has little uncertainty as to their dates. The latest, according to Victor Manuel Velasco, could arrive in approximately two years. In another lecture he gave at the beginning of last December, the same expert had said that the cooling would arrive within 30 or 40 years. And in early July, Velasco Herrera said that satellite data indicate that this period of global cooling could even have already begun, since 2005.
Original Spanish language website:
Google Translated link from Spanish:

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Sampling of scientists and scientific studies predicting global COOLING – Updated August 21, 2008 – (Text below or word document attached)

[Note: Many of the scientists and studies cited below first appeared in the December 2007 U.S. Senate Report of over 400 (now 500 dissenting scientists and growing) (For Full Senate Report see: ) See also U.S. Senate Report released in July 2008: ‘Consensus’ On Man-Made Global Warming Collapses in 2008]

Sampling of scientists and scientific studies predicting global COOLING:

Australian astronomical Society warns of global COOLING as Sun's activity 'significantly diminishes' – June 29, 2008 – (LINK ) Excerpt: A new paper published by the Astronomical Society of Australia has a warning to global warming believers not immediately obvious from the summary:

Based on our claim that changes in the Sun’s equatorial rotation rate are synchronized with changes in the Sun’s orbital motion about the barycentre, we propose that the mean period for the Sun’s meridional flow is set by a Synodic resonance between the flow period (~22.3 yr), the overall 178.7-yr repetition period for the solar orbital motion, and the 19.86-yr synodic period of Jupiter and Saturn. Or as one of the authors, Ian Wilson, kindly explained to me: It supports the contention that the level of activity on the Sun will significantly diminish sometime in the next decade and remain low for about 20 - 30 years. On each occasion that the Sun has done this in the past the World’s mean temperature has dropped by ~ 1 - 2 C.
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NEW JASON SATELLITE INDICATES 23-YEAR GLOBAL COOLING - Canada Free Press, 1 May 2008 – By Dennis Avery, Environmental Economist and Global Warming Co-author
Excerpt: Now it's not just the sunspots that predict a 23-year global cooling. The new Jason oceanographic satellite shows that 2007 was a "cool" La Nina year-but Jason also says something more important is at work: The much larger and more persistent Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO) has turned into its cool phase, telling us to expect moderately lower global temperatures until 2030 or so. […]All of this defies the "consensus" that human-emitted carbon dioxide has been responsible for our global warming. But the evidence for man-made warming has never been as strong as its Green advocates maintained. The earth's warming from 1915 to 1940 was just about as strong as the "scary" 1975 to 1998 warming in both scope and duration-and occurred too early to be blamed on human-emitted CO2. The cooling from 1940 to 1975 defied the Greenhouse Theory, occurring during the first big surge of man-made greenhouse emissions. Most recently, the climate has stubbornly refused to warm since 1998, even though human CO2 emissions have continued to rise strongly. […] How many years of declining world temperature would it take now – in the wake of the ten-year nonwarming since 1998 - to break up Al Gore's "climate change consensus"?
Canada Free Press LINK
http://www.rightsidenews.com/200808211777/energy-and-environment/global-cooling-global-warming-has-ended-scientists-agree.html

Saturday October 11, 2008, 8:38 pm
In all fairness, I've seen articles for and against global warming. I will say, cutting down all the forests, can not be a good thing.

I have also read articles that say that oil actually renews, is not finite.

No, I don't have references. I read or heard these before I became actively involved in Care2 and my genie wasn't telling me I needed to keep track of the information.

Who do you believe at this point in time? Some are saying the global warming scenario is just another tool, for the NWO and all the offshoots, to be able to rape us for $4 a gallon gas. Well, that parts working. Now they created a financial crisis that is killing that scenerio. People can't afford $4 gas and so there is an over supply and the price is going down.

Then you have people on the other side saying all this is manufactured and none of it will last for long, relax.

So, who do you believe? I am not so closed minded to think that the answer is simple.

Saturday October 11, 2008, 8:43 pm
I also think we need to replant the forests.

I don't believe we need 10 years, it can be done now and be free. But you won't see it as long as the money changers are in power.

Sunday October 12, 2008, 12:05 am
This is a great time of year to find seeds for trees to start. Most are quite easy, but some have to be protected from various rodents and racoons, especially after they have just sprouted.
http://www.jlhudsonseeds.net/ is a great source of interesting things to grow. Things with edible nuts are really worth while.