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Attawapiskat 'Grandstanding' Triggered Tales of Native Sexual Abuse


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Kenneth
- 2436 days ago - ctv.ca
An aboriginal victim of sexual abuse who came forward to tell her own dark tale about the community of Attawapiskat said it was "grandstanding" on the part of the chief and council that prompted her to share her story.



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Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 3:31 pm
Story only hours old. Article and video.

'Grandstanding'---from the dictionary means to act in a way calculated to show off, impress
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 3:42 pm
Apparently this brave native woman has come forward because of all the grandstanding she considers has been done by her Chief regarding the recent 'crisis at Attawapiskat' Ontario Canada.
(Remember these are allegations, not proven, and her own personal statements.)

I'd like to say that the TRUTH isn't just what anyone would LIKE it to be or WANTS it to be, but IS. Apparently this brave woman says basically there is an EPIDEMIC of sexual abuse on reserves AND is done by natives to other natives, including incest and child molestation. If this is the TRUTH then it should come out in spite of fear of retaliation from other natives as she puts it or keeping it closed up and shut behind native reserve doors. In her own words 'silence is violence'.
 

Barbara W (342)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:11 pm
Thank you Kenneth! An important issue and post! Thank God for brave hearts likeocelyn Iahtail.
To stand for the truth can be challenging especially when some family members will not support the truth & recognize your pain & Suffering. There's all manner of "Abuse of Power" and this abuse will continue to work its ugliness until honor can find it's voice again.
 

Fiona Ogilvie (565)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:35 pm
Thank you, Kenneth. So much shame and so much courage in this important article.
 

Kit B (276)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:37 pm

That the abuse is considered near 80% would have to mean this is or has become an endemic practice. Because sexual abuse is most always known to the victim as something wrong happening to them they rarely speak out. When it is so prevalent in a community, I am surprised that any one spoke out. She is indeed, a brave woman, wronged by her community and those she should have been able to trust.

When one considers how isolated many of these communities are, I suppose we should not be overly surprised. How many hundreds of years did priests get away child abuse of a physical and sexual nature? We know this is not a modern phenomena however, in the modern world sex and education about acceptable sexual practices did finally break the silence.
 

Bette M (91)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 4:58 pm
Send a Green Star to Kenneth L.
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Thank you Kenneth. I've been long aware of these many abuses. And the poverty level is much greater than in any inner city in the lower forty eight.
The N/A & Canadian indian are in great need of help with food, better homes, heat, psychological counseling over these rapes. Most of all prosecuting those who commit these sexual crimes.
The people must open up and start raising cane to get the help they need. Most of all getting the people educated in academics & well as to their rights for protection from those who threaten them about the rapes.

One of my personal wishes for the American indian is for one to become a president of his own country which was stolen from him & all the indian nations.

Plant & protect Danny's trees for life.
Trees are the lungs of the earth.
 

Penelope Ryan (178)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 5:00 pm
What a brave person to fight the staus quo. I hope for real change, but it seems being on the side of right means very little these days.
 

Lynn Geth (185)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 5:07 pm
This is the most heinous and intrusive type of abuse because the people who are being abused are afraid to come forward and name names for fear of retaliation by the tribal tribune. I admire Jocelyn for coming forward and for wanting this out in the open. I realize these are allegations and have to be proven, but if the people involved are afraid to come forth, how will this be solved?

This is similar to the cases where girls are being sexually abused by their fathers, the mother knows what's going on but it afraid of retaliation from her husband. Such a vicious cycle! Thank you, Ken for bringing this to our attention.
 

Dotti L (85)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 8:03 pm
Thank you Kenneth, I didn't know.
 

Kim O (396)
Wednesday December 14, 2011, 9:44 pm
Thanks for sharing, Kenneth, wow.
 

Constance F (418)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 2:12 am
Thank you Kenneth - very painful. Isolation may be a factor, or rather a disenfranchised community on several levels, really. Sexual abuse is always about issues of power, and the abuse is running rampant in this community. Really horrific - because it's complex and pervasive, and the community needs outside support as well on several levels and I don't know if that will be readily available to these people. However, on a hopeful note - it's OUT - and that is the first step. I commend this woman, and all to follow....not an easy journey for them.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 2:14 am
May all sentient beings have happiness and its causes,
May all sentient beings be free of suffering and its causes,
May all sentient beings never be separated from bliss without suffering,
May all sentient beings be in equanimity, free of bias, attachment and anger.
 

Carol H (229)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 7:29 am
disturbing. noted
 

Carmen S (611)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 7:36 am
thank you Kenneth for sharing this
 

Alicia N (87)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 8:21 am
Thanks Kenneth

God bless her always, my best wishes to this brave lady.
 

Nicole W (646)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 8:54 am
thank you Kenneth, noted
 

Ruth C (87)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:13 am
Upsetting
 

Michele Wilkinson (106)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 10:19 am
Sadly noted
Thanks
 

Michela M (3964)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 1:32 pm
Noted!!
 

linda b (186)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 3:12 pm
Bless Jocelyn and all rape victims, thanks Kenneth.
 

Past Member (0)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 3:45 pm
Thank you, Kenneth.
This social 'cancer' must be exposed and eliminated. Unfortunately, we have a federal government much too preoccupied with it's own agenda to give the situation the energetic action it deserves.
 

Nimue Michelle Pendragon Gaze (339)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 5:01 pm
Noted, thanks.
 

Mary T (178)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 6:35 pm
Thanks Kenneth for posting, This vicious cycle of Sexual abuse should be brought out in the open, Bless her for telling her story.
 

Michael C (217)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 6:54 pm
Unbelievable!!!! Thanks for the post, Kenneth
 

K B (89)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 9:15 pm
These people should be living in better houses. Government should help.
 

desanka s (416)
Thursday December 15, 2011, 10:27 pm
Thank you Kenneth for posting. Green star for you.
 

Shan D (49)
Friday December 16, 2011, 12:00 am
There is so much dishonesty and shiftiness on the part of Chief Spence that I can't understand how she's able to show her face in public without profound shame. I did not know of the other problems on this reserve. Looks like the non-Natives aren't to blame for EVERYTHING...
 

Julia R (297)
Friday December 16, 2011, 12:05 am
A very sad story indeed about the tragic consequences of sexual abuse and how it continues to effect people's lives long after the abuse stops. I had no idea that sexual abuse was so rampant in these aboriginal reserves all across Canada. It is good that the national chief of the Assembly of First Nations recognizes the need for transformative change where the status quo cannot continue and for the need of increased mental health and support services.

I also think that what is going on to girls and women is a result of a broader social and economical problem caused by other nations or corporations taking the land and plundering resources from native and indigenous people. For example, Debeers claiming the diamond mine in their land and we've seen that theme played out many times especially in the U.S. in our early history when we displaced native Indians, taking their land and forcing native Americans on government owned reservations, decimating their culture, and depriving them of their rights of self-determination. Many of these Indians resorted to drinking alcohol as a result of losing their identity and self-esteem. This entropy in their aboriginal culture may have lead to a break down in social mores. Hopefully, these people will now be able to form a new social system where people can become gainfully employed, children can go to good schools, and they will get the support systems they need to rebuild their communities, live in a more open society where people aren't intimidated, and more progressive policies and leaders will bring about much needed positive change.

Thank you for this great article, Kenneth. It is both an eye and a mind opening article which really makes people think about our connection to others and the necessity of fair treatment for others too.
 

Kenneth L (314)
Friday December 16, 2011, 4:01 am
Because so many women have been sexually abused, BOTH non-native and native alike in society as a whole, it obviously isn't simply the fault of the gov't. or 'the white man' or what was done to natives in the past in the case of native sexual abuse.
Sometimes if there is continuous super-excessive blame being done by someone toward someone else or something else, that person is trying to cover up something THEY have done, and not wish known, and divert attention away from themselves. Which means they can take no responsibility for their own conditions while trying to keep their personal deeds hidden.
 

Lisa Neste (207)
Friday December 16, 2011, 1:18 pm
Noted, thanks Kenneth!
 

greenplanet e (155)
Friday December 16, 2011, 7:59 pm
Sexual abuse of girls and women is a terrible problem right throughout society. It does take courage to speak out because of fear of retaliation. As Kenneth says, the perpetrators will try to put blame, derision, and shame on their victims to hide the perpetrators' guilt.

The perpetrators may try to hurt their victims in some way -- or make their victims feel afraid of some kind of further harm.
 

Edgar Zuim (47)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 4:54 am
Noted, thanks.
 

Bette M (91)
Saturday December 17, 2011, 3:00 pm
Kenneth.....The N/A indians have their problems.
Much of it similiar to the Canadian indians.
My daughter & I came across an old indian man who
apparently was more brain dead from alcohol than
anything else.
My daughter bought him a bag full of snacks & gave him
a stiff lecture on his drinking. I being near this man's
age knew it was a lost cause for the bottle is all he
cared about & lived for.
My daughter gave him info on where he could get help.
Again another kind gesture that went in one ear & out
the other.

Plant & protect Danny's trees for life.
Trees are the lungs of the earth.
 

Seda A (4)
Sunday December 18, 2011, 7:17 am
noted, thanks for sharing.
 

patricia lasek (317)
Sunday December 18, 2011, 8:28 am
thank you for sharing, kenneth. I'm getting really sick of hearing about all the sexual predators out there and wish something would be done to these deviants once and for all.
 

Phil R (29)
Sunday December 18, 2011, 12:05 pm
You have to wonder how the men in this community can allow this. There have to be those that are not involved in the abuse who simply remain mute. What kind of a man watches this kind of crime happen and does nothing to stop it?
IMO this is why we see this behavior in modern societies. People, particularly men, who are aware of it refuse to speak out against the perpetrators. This is a situation where men fail to act because they will be considered trouble makers or outsiders by their peers. It's a male problem....men should be responsible for ending this type of bad behavior. If they don't, then they are cowards and the women should shun them....that oughta' get a response!
 

Rose Becke (141)
Monday December 19, 2011, 12:36 am
.men should be responsible for ending this type of bad behavior. If they don't, then they are cowards and the women should shun them....that oughta' get a response!

WELL SAID PHIL R
 

Jocelyn Iahtail (2)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 12:33 am
Wa-chee-yay Ni-chi-wuk! Greetings My Friends! (in Mushkego Cree)

I am Jocelyn Iahtail. My daughter stated, "Mom! Not everybody hates us! Have a look!" WOW! Gitchi Meegwetch, Thank you so very much to all of you! You moved me to tears. I would especially like to extend my gratitude to Kenneth L. for posting and Phil R. for your wisdom.

Phil R. your an INSPIRATION.
We need a Community of Men to Speak Up and Not Allow this to continue. Our Warriors will have to come from the outside to infiltrate the ugly: Youtube Postings. Can you please send your words of wisdom to Attawapiskat/First Nation communities?

For my American Ni-chi-wuk, I have ties with you too. I'm gonna cry. Your People hosted me in 1991. This is where I learned to love myself and learned to live for myself. In May and June of 1991, in Minneapolis, Minnesota, I attended treatment for women who had been sexually abused. My Creator answered my prayers when I asked that what I needed be placed on my Path. This specialized program saved me because I needed help. I was not an alcoholic nor a drug addict therefore I didn't fit the criteria for other facilities. I had to come to the States for my liberation!

In June of 1991, I arrived back home in Canada to hear the news my childhood friend and classmate had shot herself on the streets of Attawapiskat. Irene was also a victim of sexual abuse. Naturally I mourned for my friend but I also mourned the fact that what I was able to access for myself in Minneapolis, she couldn't. I vowed from there on I would honour her memory by fighting sexual abuse as best as I could.

http://www.ctv.ca/canadaAMPlayer/index.html?video=585559
click: Wednesday December 14, 2011

People often speak of proof. Incest has become so normalized that cousins later have open relationships with one another. Take a DNA test of the children that are born out of those relationships. It's sad.

I just joined this group so bear with me. Sending everyone green stars!

Blessings!!

Jocelyn
 

Kenneth L (314)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 5:13 am
Welcome Jocelyn! Wow, this is an honour! No, absolutely not does everyone hate you or all natives for that matter. Tons of people have great admiration for natives, including yourself for coming forward and speaking about sexual abuse in Attawap and elsewhere.
A problem cannot be fixed if it is not confronted. To be confronted it has to be made known. Which of course to the perpetrators is the LAST thing they want. Let me guess, you have been accused of 'making trouble' (to say the least probably). Well you just have to persist and not be distracted by attacks by others and efforts to keep you quiet or make you stop.
I am now going to send this news story thread around again to all my friends since it's not every day the actual person a story is about enters the thread themselves!
Welcome to Care2 where you will probably be amazed at how well you are greeted and received and befriended.
Kenneth
 

Agnes N (703)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 5:35 am
Welcome Jocelyn Iahtail, nice to meet you on care2..best wishes..Agnes

Thanks Kenneth
 

Elizabeth Fuller (134)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 5:52 am
Noted, how very sad that the people whom are supposed to be helpful and trusted are abusing every aspect of there positions to wreak havoc on their own people. I send prayers of strength to all whom stand up to their abusers...may they be victorious in ridding their communities of this horrible plague of abuse. I welcome Jocelyn to the care2 community, may you find strength in our numbers and I send you hugs and my friendship as well, welcome :-)
 

Carol H (229)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 5:57 am
welcome Jocelyn, you will find many caring friends here for sure!!!
 

Alice C (1797)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 6:24 am
Welcome to care2 Jocelyn !
 

Lindsey Williams (234)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 6:47 am
Welcome to care2 Jocelyn! thanks kenneth!
 

Constance F (418)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 7:59 am
Thank you Kenneth, and thank you Jocelyn! You must bear with me since I just woke up. Sharing your story is so healing and powerful to all who read it and may also have suffered the ravages of abuse. You greatly honor your friend, Irene by being her voice - I am deeply saddened by the loss of your friend, and for the many who have despaired and did not have the support. Thank you for being here, and for being an inspiration to the many who need you. You are most welcome here!
 

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 11:09 am
Welcome to Care2 Jocelyn! You honor us by sharing your voice here! Thank you for speaking out! Bright Blessings!
 

Mary T (178)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 1:58 pm
Welcome to Care2 Jocelyn and thanks so much for sharing your story and for being an inspiration to many that need your voice, You will find very many caring people on here and we welcome your voice.
 

Lynn Geth (185)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 5:26 pm
A very warm welcome to you, Jocelyn. You'll find so many people here in Care2 who are caring, considerate, and willing to help in any way that they can, I among them. It is a pleasure to meet you. You stand as an example of bravery among a people that, for too long, has kept secret an abominable act of treachery to woman.
Thank you Kenneth, for again bringing this horrible crime to our attention and for having us welcome Jocelyn.
 

Phil R (29)
Wednesday December 21, 2011, 9:26 pm
Most of us are the children of people who came here from other continents and countries. Having been born here in the Americas makes us natives too. It's important for all Native Americans, the descendents of Immigrants and of the First Americans to speak out against injustice.
Thanks for your kind words, Jocelyn. I think what i wrote is what everyone else here believes also. I just happened to be the one to put it into those words. There are men among the Attawapiskat who believe exactly as we do here...and they will speak up if they believe the rest of world is watching...and now they know that it is.
 

Jill Vickerman (416)
Thursday December 22, 2011, 4:24 am
Thank you Kenneth and Jocelyn...
 

Kenneth L (314)
Thursday December 22, 2011, 5:00 am
As Jocelyn has posted, her interview is here: http://www.ctv.ca/canadaAMPlayer/index.html?video=585559
click: Wednesday December 14, 2011 at the bottom of the page, her interview starts halfway through the video

The statistics state 80% of native girls under the age of 18 are sexually abused! That is an atrocity and could hardly be any worse!

 

Phyllis P (237)
Thursday December 22, 2011, 7:32 pm
Sexual abuse is deplorable. Look @ Penn State and all the powers that be, who turned the backs and pretended nothing was going on. Years ago, if they had of acted they could have saved alot of people heartache and pain for life. I hope every sexual perpetrator experiences the hell they put someone through. That is what the predator counts on...the victim being afraid to speak. God bless this woman and thank her for sharing the story.
 

W. C (7)
Thursday December 22, 2011, 8:46 pm
Thank you.
 

Genoveva M M (328)
Monday December 26, 2011, 2:50 am
Very painful subject indeed. Time for a real change.
Thanks Kenneth.
 

Elaine Al Meqdad (283)
Tuesday December 27, 2011, 9:14 am
Well I sa let's all find someone to rape the cheif and then we can see what action he takes and then call it "Grandstanding" on his part. I'm so grateful to live in the U.S.A. where women have more right that these poor women of other countries!
 
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