Tuesday December 15, 2009, 6:57 am
That is terrible..and for the school or anyone to use the economy/cuts..whatever..as any excuse for that behavior is just as terrible and wrong..So being stressed gives a free pass to something like this..That's just wrong..
I agree Kristi..If this teacher is so stressed and frustrated that she cannot control her behavior/actions towards a child..she does not belong in a classroom with them..
Tuesday December 15, 2009, 8:09 am
This teacher is so fortunate that I am not the mother or grandmother of this child because she needs her a-- kicked. I agree the teacher needs to be removed from the class room and she needs meds. to calm her down. The district should be sued because they left this person in the classroom, perhaps to inflict some similiar punishment on another child. Shame on them.
Tuesday December 15, 2009, 9:59 am
The teacher should be fired and I am angered by the DA's response not to file abuse charges. This was definitely in the realm of mental abuse and humiliation. I don't agree anyone needs to be sued, just fire the teacher to serve justice. At least she apologized.
Tuesday December 15, 2009, 2:45 pm
Assault, Battery, Abuse of Authority, If the Teacher is White, Then HATE Crime Charges as well; She Should have been Imediately Susspended; Jailed And I hope The Parents Get a Good Lawyer on Spec To Sue the teacher and school System....
If I lived Near there I might consider replaceing Her Shampoo With Nair.;)
Tuesday December 15, 2009, 3:29 pm
I agree what she did was awful - totally wrong, and she should be punished. But, snap judgments aren't helpful. She would need to be assessed and her whole situation studied. We don't know all the circumstances. She may be an excellent teacher who had an inappropriate response to stress just this once.
She should be given a big fine - bigger than she was given, and a big reprimand. Maybe another punishment short of losing her job if she's a good teacher. If she's a bad teacher (found after assessment) then, heavier punishment may be appropriate.
Definitely NO SUING! I totally, totally do not believe in suing, and I hope we never get that filthy habit over here in my country (NZ).
Please, if you don't agree with me, that's fine. I have my own opinion, you have yours, and I won't enter into long arguments on these boards. If you believe in suing, well, that's fine with me. I just put my humble opinion here - YMMV.
Tuesday December 15, 2009, 9:25 pm
OK I am Going to give this Some Personal Context:
When I was in 7th grade the Principal a Bossy Loud Abusive Jerk I(nterupted Our Lunch to Yell at us; When He Asked If anyone Thought He Couldn't make us ALL Be Quiet All Lunch Period; I stood and Tried to Answer That We Should Be Allowed to eat Our Lunch in Peace; and No I didn't believe it was Possible To Keep Everyone Quiet; before I got Half a sentance Out he Went at Me demanding I call him Sir; I replied That Sir was a term of Respect That Should be earned and anyone that had to demand it Didn't deserve it.
He Dragged Me Out of that Lunch Room and Put me in a little room behind his Office; on the excuse that I hadn't cut my hair to His Dresscode (it hadn't been a big deal till then) he Kept me There Untill My Parents Got an Injunction To have me returned to classes ( the Begginings of A Law Suit)The School Got a Change of Venue to a Redneck County With an Ancient Judge
Made it about Me Being a Disciplin Problem and Missrepresented an Incedent Where I was trying to get 80 cents from Someone that Broke Something of mine; Into Me Stealing from him; (Which Strangely was the one Good thing the Principle Did; As he made us Clean Lockers Together and we became Freinds)...
Anyway the School WON My parents Couldn't afford to appeal; (ACLU Didn't Want to help?) I had to Cut My Hair; And he still Abused me. till my parents Sent me to another state..
WE may not have Won; But Following Cases brought a Change to Overly Restrictive; Sexist, Racist, antiHippy, Dresscodes...
Such is the Pressure that Lawsuits Put onto Public and Private agencies.
To Sue Some one is as Fundemental a Right; as The Right To Equal Justice; The Right To Sue Gives a Citizen a Legal Way Of Holding someone Accountable; When Criminal Charges Fail Or Are Not Fairly Administered; The Act of Suing a Public Agency Holds them accountable; To Thier Boss The Private Citizen Taxpayer; and To a Higher Power Of Justice By a Jury of Your Peers.
Without the Pressures of Lawsuits; Many Corporations and Public Agencies Would Run Rampant: Violating Peoples Rights, Causing Death and A Wide Variety of Other Dastardly Acts That Beaurocracies Like to Ignore..
While One Does not always Win; At least You can Put them on Notice That Thier Bad behavior Will be Challenged..
In this case The Child should be Allowed a Price for the Loss of her Hair (Small) a Price for the Humiliation and Fear of Authority Figures This Caused her; as Well as Funds for Therapy; And Punitive Damadges In the Hundreds of Thousands; Millions if the Schoolsystem retains this Teacher.
The Teacher Committed an Act of Violence With a Weapon. And If it was a White Teacher; LikeLy a HATE Crime To Boot (would She have done it to a White Girl For the Same Problem?)..
In Most Schools today a Child Would Be expelled for Brining Scissors To School (zero Tolerance); This Act Justifies Students fears That They Need Weapons To Defend Themselves; And Totaly Sends The Wrong Message About Settleing Problems Without Violence.
I Pity the People Of NZ If They are Not Allowed This Way of Controlling Power Run Amuck;
But Then atleast one of the Citizens is Happy with that?;)
Wednesday December 16, 2009, 12:58 am
Rod, I don't know you - why pick a personal fight with me? As I said, I have my opinion, you have yours. No problem with that, I would have thought. I never said people weren't ALLOWED to sue here in NZ - of course they are, for a lot of things. But, mostly they don't, because there are many, many non-confrontational, non-violent ways of resolving problems. That whole matter in this article would be the subject of a thorough investigation over here, and then the Education Department would act according to the investigation results. If it was deemed there were criminal acts, then charges would be laid, and/or disciplinary action would be taken. Regardless of the criminal acts issue, there would certainly be disciplinary action, and perhaps dismissal.
We can't sue here over accidents, though (thank goodness). We have a "no fault" Accident Compensation Corporation that everyone pays into, and it pays lump sums, loss of earnings, disability payments, etc. at reasonable rates. Covering actual losses, and actual future loss of earnings, not huge multi-million dollar sums. Ridiculous, IMO!
Also, I would say suing is neither a fundamental right in your country or mine, nor is there the right to equal justice. Lip service to those things, yes. But in practice, those things are really only available to those who have the money to pursue them. Yes, there is legal aid if you qualify, but the lawyer you are assigned will most likely be fairly incompetent. And, most people cannot afford the time for a lengthy court case, nor the money it will cost them. You, as an intelligent person, would know this as well as I do.
I will say again, Rod, you have your opinion, I have mine, we're both entitled to express them, and I have not been rude to you, but your last two sentences were IMO rude to me.
Wednesday December 16, 2009, 6:02 pm
Disorderly conduct - more like Assault - she has no right whatsoever!!! I hope her superiors send her packing she should not be teaching young children and filling their minds with this kind of rubbish - children mimic what they see. The poor young angel. TY Kristi - Love & Light