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The Network Behind Islamophobia in US Politics and Public Opinions


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Mary
- 1107 days ago - mondoweiss.net
This truely is a evil agenda; to invest vast sums of money to demonise and spread hatred for an entire religion and its followers; disgusting that human beings can actually do this to one another. When will they realise that 'WE ALL ARE ONE"



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Mary P. (157)
Friday September 2, 2011, 2:08 pm
Copied and pasted to make it easy for readers:


Important study shows that a small network is fostering widespread hatred of Islam inside US politics and public opinion

by Philip Weiss on August 29, 2011

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Graphic from Paul Woodward.

On Friday, the Center for American Progress published an important and excellent study, called Fear, Inc: The roots of the Islamophobia network in the US. The study shows that the wave of Islamophobia in the U.S. --Americans mistrust Muslims more than they did even after 9/11-- is the product of a few energized individuals. And they're polluting our political discourse.

Specifically, it's a handful of exponents of Islamophobia, among them Daniel Pipes, Sharia-law "expert" David Yerushalmi (whom the NYT profiled in more neutral terms a couple weeks back), David Horowitz, and Steve Emerson, the CNN expert turned wingnut.

And the Center shows that they are getting money from just a few sources, but a ton of money at that. In short, a conspiracy, and an important one. You can't call it a conspiracy these days, it's a "network," or as Steve Walt says below, a "collaboration."

I'll get to excerpts of the report below, but the report recapitulates the history of neoconservatism. Recall that the Iraq war crusade was implanted into the American discourse in the '90s by the decided and earnest effort of a few true believers, backed by tons of money, who had a crazed theory of importing democracy to the Middle East by gunpoint, everywhere but in Israel/Palestine. And those beliefs soon swept the mainstream.

I'm hopeful that Islamophobia won't be so successful, and partly because the Center for American Progress has risen against it.

The report is careful to sidestep the Israel-motivation angle of the Islamophobes. I think this is intellectually irresponsible, but inevitable. No one in the Establishment wants to touch this angle. They don't want to be sounding like Walt and Mearsheimer, the Israel lobby. And of course, it's good that a portion of the Establishment is denouncing the ultra-Zionists. But supporting Israel is certainly an important part of the motivation, as I pointed out about Yerushalmi a few weeks back-- the Jewish right to Palestine is at the heart of his engagement, he even changed his name to Jerusalem. And donor Aubrey Chernick, whom the report focuses on -- well, again, Israel support is at the heart of his public actions.

Here are two quick takes on the report. Steve Walt at Foreign Policy:


The irony in all this that the extremists examined in this report have gone to great lengths to convince Americans that there is a vast Islamic conspiracy to subvert American democracy, impose sharia law, and destroy the American way of life. Instead, what we are really facing is a well-funded right-wing collaboration to scare the American people with a bogeyman of their own creation, largely to justify more ill-advised policies in the Middle East.

And Ed Lasky at American Thinker points out the Jewishness of the list, though he leaves out the fact that George Soros is also Jewish:


The Soros-supported Center for American Progress blames rich Jews for stoking Islamophobia...

The Obama-allied Center for American Progress has released a report that blames Islamophobia in America on a small group of Jews and Israel supporters in America, whose views are being backed by millions of dollars. This "network", according to the news release, have "have worked hard to push narratives that Obama might be a Muslim, that mosques are incubators of radicalization, and that "radical Islam" has infiltrated all aspects of American society -- including the conservative movement. Who are the figures mentioned as the promoters of prejudice? Most of them are prominent Jews and supporters of Israel, such as David Horowitz, Daniel Pipes and Steven Emerson (the founder of the Investigative Project on Terrorism). The eight foundations mentioned as funding this effort include are almost exclusively ones founded and funded by Jewish donors, and lest readers not be aware of this fact, the Center for American Progress lists not only the other beneficiaries of the charities and foundations (most of them having Jewish or Israel in the title) but also goes to the trouble of naming the individuals behind these charities -- not just the donors but also those who serve on the boards.

Now here are some excerpts from the report itself:


This network of hate is not a new presence in the United States. Indeed, its ability
to organize, coordinate, and disseminate its ideology through grassroots organizations
increased dramatically over the past 10 years. Furthermore, its ability to
influence politicians’ talking points and wedge issues for the upcoming 2012 elections
has mainstreamed what was once considered fringe, extremist rhetoric.
And it all starts with the money flowing from a select group of foundations.
A small group of foundations and wealthy donors are the lifeblood of the
Islamophobia network in America, providing critical funding to a clutch of
right-wing think tanks that peddle hate and fear of Muslims and Islam—

...Due in part to the relentless efforts of this small group of individuals and organizations, Islam is now the most negatively viewed religion in America. Only 37 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Islam: the lowest favorability rating
since 2001, according to a 2010 ABC News/Washington Post poll. According
to a 2010 Time magazine poll, 28 percent of voters do not believe Muslims should
be eligible to sit on the U.S. Supreme Court, and nearly one-third of the country
thinks followers of Islam should be barred from running for president.

Separate from the Fairbrook Foundation [one of the funders], Aubrey Chernick is a trustee of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy and helped provide the $3.5 million in initial capital to start the conservative blog Pajamas Media, which used its online platform to oppose the Park51 community center in New York City....

Altogether, these seven charitable groups provided $42.6 million in total to
Islamophobic think tanks between 2001 and 2009—funding that supports the
misinformation scholars and experts....

All five [experts pictured above] are actively promoting the deeply mistaken portrayal of Islam—a religion of nearly 1.6 billion people worldwide, including 2.6 million Americans—as an inherently violent ideology that seeks domination over the United States and all non-Muslims.

Here is the summary at the start of the report:


The funding

• More than $40 million flowed from seven foundations over 10 years.

• The foundations funding the misinformation experts: Donors Capital Fund; Richard Mellon Scaife Foundation; Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; Newton and Rochelle Becker Foundation and Newton and Rochelle Becker Charitable Trust; Russell Berrie Foundation, Anchorage Charitable Fund and William Rosenwald Family Fund; Fairbrook Foundation.

The misinformation experts • Five experts generate the false facts and materials used by political leaders, grassroots groups, and the media: • Frank Gaffney at the Center for Security Policy • David Yerushalmi at the Society of Americans for National Existence • Daniel Pipes at the Middle East Forum • Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch and Stop Islamization of America • Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism

• These experts travel the country and work with or testify before state legislatures calling for a ban on the nonexisting threat of Sharia law in America and proclaiming that the vast majority of mosques in our country harbor Islamist terrorists or sympathizers.

• David Yerushalmi’s “model legislation” banning Sharia law has been cut and pasted into bills in South Carolina, Texas, and Alaska. His video on how to draft an anti-Sharia bill and his online tools have been picked up nationwide.

The reach • The movement is moving nationwide in more than 23 states— made possible by a combination of new, single-minded Islamophobia groups, exemplified by Brigitte Gabriel’s ACT! For America, Pam Geller’s Stop Islamization of America, David Horowitz’s Freedom Center, and existing groups such as the American Family Association and the Eagle Forum.

• Misinformation experts are broadcast around the country and the world, with their work cited many times by (among others) confessed Norway terrorist Anders Breivik.

• U.S. politicians such as Reps. Peter King (R-NY), Allen West (R-FL), and Michele Bachmann (R-MN) repeat these anti-Muslim attacks give credence to incorrect facts. The impact

• This small network of people is driving the national and global debates that have real consequences on the public dialogue and on American Muslims.

• In September 2010, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed that 49 percent of Americans held an unfavorable view of Islam, a significant increase from 39 percent in October of 2002.

Why it matters • These attacks go right to the heart of two critically important national issues: the fabric and strength of our democracy and our national security. Our Constitution upholds freedom of religion for all Americans. Contending that some religions are not part of the promise of American freedoms established by our founders directly challenges who we are as a nation




 

Richard Zane Smith (86)
Friday September 2, 2011, 2:18 pm
thanks Mary,
"follow the money" as they say!
Americans are often too easily swayed by presentation,hype and packaging.
Gilded rumors and gossip have invented a "Conspiracy of Islam to take America"
they will present it as fearful and believeable and spend the money to spread half truths and misquotes
to appear to be professionals or think tanks.
with just the right amount of fear,and panic, Americans swallow, get hooked and run with it.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Friday September 2, 2011, 3:25 pm
There is big money to be made in hate mongering. Thanks Mary.
 

William K. (328)
Friday September 2, 2011, 11:19 pm
Disturbing to hear about.
 

Calle J. (70)
Saturday September 3, 2011, 3:13 am

Very important information you provide Mary.
This goes back to the root of the warmongers, fear creators (In short term: rabid neocons, Zionazi), they believe if they destroy the entire planet Christ Yoshua would re-appear, chose them as the elected race and make a paradise of our planet.
insane?
Just common green condition for these self appointed sick ones.
 

Mary P. (157)
Saturday September 3, 2011, 3:38 am
Thanks all. I just find it so hard to believe that this beautiful planet of ours, has such criminal minded, evil human beings, who wish to create discord, mischief, hate, fear, division and death of innocent fellow human beings. They can only ,belong to the lucerferian cult ,to be such evil mongers. Truth will overcome Falsehood and Justic will Prevail.
 

Dixie J. (1)
Saturday September 3, 2011, 9:20 am
Thanks Mary.
 

. (0)
Saturday September 3, 2011, 10:03 am
Yes, there are indeed those in this world who promote causes through disinformation, including the cause of religion. Some without question are in various governments, some in business, and some are merely individuals intent on, as Mary said, creating "discord, mischief, etc.) And those like Bachmann (and others, from the highest to the most insignificant individual) should be called out whenever that kind of false information is put out there.

Of course, whenever the information happens to be true on any given subject then it has a right to be spread, however uncomfortable or unpleasant others may find it.
 

Bob P. (427)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 10:57 am
thanks Mary
 

ellen m. (222)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 12:49 pm
This so called "information" is most dangeroused when given to the ignorant and unknowing, from there it turns into intolerance, than hatred.
It can bring nothing good to this country already full of
strife, mistrust, and angst. Thank you
 

monka blanke (74)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 2:09 pm
Noted. Culture ends where racsism begins. I agree with Ellen M. People fear what they don't know of, so let's get them educated.
 

pam w. (191)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 6:05 pm
Mary...what's your opinion of Jews? How about the poor Israelis who have been attacked, murdered and harassed since the first day they returned to their traditional lands? If we're all against religious hatred...let's post good things about ALL religions.
 

monica r. (41)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 8:10 pm
Well, Mary should consider that not all of this is a conspiracy theory. There ARE such things as terrorists, you know!

But Mary, and her BFFs Scott F and Siusaidh, are into conspiracy theories. Just ask Scott about 9/11. He'll tell you it was done by Zionist Jews and the CIA. So I guess it was Zionist Jews in the cockpits of those planes screaming "Allahu Akhbar!", but Scott probably will say there WERE no planes (then how was my brother almost hit by a chunk of airplane?) which also denies the losses of every family that had someone on those planes.

Anyway, there was a trial about the Holy Land Foundation, the biggest terrorism funding trial in US history. In the course of that trial, Muslim Brotherhood documents came to light. They clearly and categorically state the intention and a plan to sabotage the US from within. Also government reports show that from Sept 2001 for the next 8 years there were 21 homegrown terror plots. Then in the next year and a half (through May 2010) there were 22 such plots, by Al Qaeda or their affiliates. So those terror plots are becoming alarmingly more frequent. I get this from a Congressional report for Homeland Security.

Scott will no doubt start ranting on as he usually does about how there is no such thing as Al Qaeda, and that Los Macheteros are a bigger threat (even though they are active only in Puerto Rico, not mainland US) than radical jihadists. When he does, just keep in mind his FBI report only covers through 2005. More recent reports show a much bigger problem.

If you choose to ignore the fact that radical imams are successfully recruiting Americans to do terror on US soil, that's your prerogative. Keep n mind, however, that pointing out the existence and frequency of such plots is merely statement of fact, not hate-mongering.

Obviously not every Muslim is strapping on a bomb vest, but I am wondering why Mary and her friends are rushing to silence those opposed to the ones who are doing so. Where are the "moderate" Muslims crying out against terror? Not here on Care2, at least not Mary and her friends. They either deny or justify. Why is that?

I would humbly suggest the real hate-mongers are the ones trying to kill innocent people (Shoe Bomber, Underwear bomber, Nidal Hasan at Fort Hood, Times square bomber, Christmas tree bomber, Abdo of second attempt on Fort Hood, Little Rock shooter, University shooter, DC metro bomber, DC sniper, etc.), and those defending their actions in any way, not the ones reporting about their crimes.
 

Mary P. (157)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 9:24 pm
Pam Why are you and your friends noticeably missing on All my Postings
On my peace, love and unity amongst Jews, Christians and Muslims. Check out stories that
I submitted on Love between Muslims and Jews in Maryland to find
Out my opinions of Jews. Read about the attendance of the jewish community
At the muslim function ; and the muslims joining the Jews for the jewish
Functions. I love the Jews And the Christians as my brothers and sisters;
We are family by Religion and I love the athiests and believers of all
Religions ; they are family by humanity.

Go and Read up my Reconciliation Articles; they all are promoting
Unity, love and peace amongst Jews Muslims and Christians; will be
Eye openers for YOU, showing you that there are many christians and
Jews who love respect and accept Islam as a True Religion of GOD Almighty.
The Divisions and HAtred is caused by Zionists Networks like the Above;
Whose intentions are to Destroy True Judaism, True Christianity and True Islam.
Their Intention is to Divide and Conquer; and bring About the NWO Rule;
Of World Domination.
 

Mary P. (157)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 9:42 pm

To ALL Peoples of the World hereunder is the HOLY BOOK of the ZIONISTS New World Order:




Issued under the supreme authority of the Jewish Bograh and sanctioned by the Jewish Rothschild Dynasty (Europe) and the Jewish Rockefeller Dynasty (USA)

And heed our word, so mote it be.

THE SECRET COVENANT
An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception.

Those who will see it will be thought of as insane.

We will create separate fronts to prevent them from seeing the connection between us.

We will behave as if we are not connected to keep the illusion alive. Our goal will be accomplished one drop at a time so as to never bring suspicion upon ourselves. This will also prevent them from seeing the changes as they occur.

We will always stand above the relative field of their experience for we know the secrets of the absolute.

We will work together always and will remain bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks.

We will keep their lifespan short and their minds weak while pretending to do the opposite.

We will use our knowledge of science and technology in subtle ways so they will never see what is happening.

We will use soft metals, ageing accelerators and sedatives in food and water, also in the air.

They will be blanketed by poisons everywhere they turn.

The soft metals will cause them to lose their minds. We will promise to find a cure from our many fronts, yet we will feed them more poison.

The poisons will be absorbed through their skin and mouths, they will destroy their minds and reproductive systems.

From all this, their children will be born dead, and we will conceal this information.

The poisons will be hidden in everything that surrounds them, in what they drink, eat, breathe and wear.

We must be ingenious in dispensing the poisons for they can see far.

We will teach them that the poisons are good, with fun images and musical tones.

Those they look up to will help. We will enlist them to push our poisons.

They will see our products being used in film and will grow accustomed to them and will never know
their true effect.

When they give birth we will inject poisons into the blood of their children and convince them it is for their help.

We will start early on, when their minds are young, we will target their children with what children love most, sweet things.

When their teeth decay we will fill them with metals that will kill their mind and steal their future.

When their ability to learn has been affected, we will create medicine that will make them sicker and cause other diseases for which we will create yet more medicine.

We will render them docile and weak before us by our power.

They will grow depressed, slow and obese, and when they come to us for help, we will give them more poison.

We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they may never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all.

Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon.

We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides.

We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan.

They will perform the labour for us and we shall prosper from their toil.

Our families will never mix with theirs. Our blood must be pure always, for it is the way.

We will make them kill each other when it suits us.

We will keep them separated from the oneness by dogma and religion.

We will control all aspects of their lives and tell them what to think and how.

We will guide them kindly and gently letting them think they are guiding themselves.

We will foment animosity between them through our factions.

When a light shall shine among them, we shall extinguish it by ridicule, or death, whichever suits us best.

We will make them rip each other's hearts apart and kill their own children.

We will accomplish this by using hate as our ally, anger as our friend.

The hate will blind them totally, and never shall they see that from their conflicts we emerge as their rulers. They will be busy killing each other.

They will bathe in their own blood and kill their neighbours for as long as we see fit.

We will benefit greatly from this, for they will not see us, for they cannot see us.

We will continue to prosper from their wars and their deaths.

We shall repeat this over and over until our ultimate goal is accomplished.

We will continue to make them live in fear and anger though images and sounds.

We will use all the tools we have to accomplish this.

The tools will be provided by their labour.

We will make them hate themselves and their neighbours.

We will always hide the divine truth from them, that we are all one. This they must never know!

They must never know that colour is an illusion, they must always think they are not equal.

Drop by drop, drop by drop we will advance our goal.

We will take over their land, resources and wealth to exercise total control over them.

We will deceive them into accepting laws that will steal the little freedom they will have.

We will establish a money system that will imprison them forever, keeping them and their children in debt.

When they shall band together, we shall accuse them of crimes and present a different story to the world for we shall own all the media.

We will use our media to control the flow of information and their sentiment in our favour.

When they shall rise up against us we will crush them like insects, for they are less than that.

They will be helpless to do anything for they will have no weapons.

We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late.

Oh yes, so grand the illusion of freedom will be, that they will never know they are our slaves.

When all is in place, the reality we will have created for them will own them. This reality will be their prison. They will live in self-delusion.

When our goal is accomplished a new era of domination will begin.

Their minds will be bound by their beliefs, the beliefs we have established from time immemorial.

But if they ever find out they are our equal, we shall perish then. THIS THEY MUST NEVER KNOW.

If they ever find out that together they can vanquish us, they will take action.

They must never, ever find out what we have done, for if they do, we shall have no place to run, for it will be easy to see who we are once the veil has fallen. Our actions will have revealed who we are and they will hunt us down and no person shall give us shelter.

This is the secret covenant by which we shall live the rest of our present and future lives, for this reality will transcend many generations and life spans.

This covenant is sealed by blood, our blood. We, the ones who from heaven to earth came.

This covenant must NEVER, EVER be known to exist. It must NEVER, EVER be written or spoken of for if it is, the consciousness it will spawn will release the fury of the PRIME CREATOR upon us and we shall be cast to the depths from whence we came and remain there until the end time of infinity itself
 

Mary P. (157)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 9:49 pm
Thank goodness For technology; nothing can remain secret anymore.

Monica instead of relying on government and mainstream media, for your
Factual Information, Please google "Brasscheck TV"; it a more reliable
source to search for Truth. Enjoy. Peace.
 

Mary P. (157)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 10:12 pm
Sorry I forgot to mention to you Pam, to also Read up My articles on True Torah Jews in israel and America
Who are against the Zionists Regime of Israel . Many JEWS from All over the world , distance themselves
And are against the Zionist Regimme; as they put into practice all their Evil Covenants.

PEOPLE OF THE WORLD please AWAKEN, look around you; the happenings around you,
Your environment, your water, your food, your diseases, your financial conditions, the poverty, Deaths
Starvations of entire Nations,
The Hatred, the divisions amongst humans, the chaos throughout the
World, both in ME and the West ;
All the Signs are here, of the Plans of the Zionist NWO, all falling
Into place at the moment.

UNITED WE Can DEFEAT and DESTROY this Evil NWO.
 

Gary A L. (133)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 10:36 pm
monica r I read your post and find it very disturbing in fact very bigoted Israel has become what they hate the most the oppressor who had been oppressed shame on them the truth will set you free but first it will piss you off and start you lying
 

Mary P. (157)
Sunday September 4, 2011, 11:30 pm
Gary, thank you for your comments. Monica is one of those who actively
Encourages the spread of Islamophobia. Sadly there are many like her, who
Take every word of hate sites and false information from above networks, as Gospel Truth. They
Preach division, hate, isolation and fear of All muslims. They
hate reading anything Positive and good about muslims and Islam.
She and others like her constantly spew out hatred, on every positive article on islam
And muslims. We muslims are getting use to her Bigotry. Best to IGNORE their
INTENTIONAL Ignorance instead of arguing and trying to prove them wrong.
 

Donn M. (56)
Monday September 5, 2011, 12:19 am
Is Islamaphobia worse than Zionistaphobia? Is it too much to hope that the violent extremists on either side could just wipe each other out and leave the rest of us in peace? Is it really not apparent that Islamic extremists and their continuing attempts at terrorist attacks are the root cause of distrust of Muslims? There could be no exploitation of that distrust without the myriad hateful actions of Muslim extremists on which said distrust/anger/hate is based.
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 6:48 am
"The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" is a literary forgery (and well known to be false since it was exposed in the early 20th century), though quite a useful piece of propoganda for those (like the Nazis who were quite fond of quoting it) who wished to demonize the Jewish people and create hatred. Try reading Joly's "Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu" [1864] and "Biarritz" by Hermann Goedsche [1868] if you want to see some of the source material of the fraudulent "Protocols".

Why would you quote at length a false document as though it were truth? I thought you disapproved of creating hatred and fostering divisions among people?
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 6:50 am
In my above comment, I inadvertently left out that I was referring to Mary's lengthy quotation from the "Protocols".
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:13 am
Donni, perhaps you can ponder on the words from the "Secret Covenant" of the Zionists:-

"We will recruit some of their own to carry out our plans, we will promise them eternal life, but eternal life they will never have for they are not of us.

The recruits will be called "initiates" and will be indoctrinated to believe false rites of passage to higher realms. Members of these groups will think they are one with us never knowing the truth. They must never learn this truth for they will turn against us.

For their work they will be rewarded with earthly things and great titles, but never will they become immortal and join us, never will they receive the light and travel the stars. They will never reach the higher realms, for the killing of their own kind will prevent passage to the realm of enlightenment. This they will never know.

The truth will be hidden in their face, so close they will not be able to focus on it until its too late."


Donni,we can tie the above plans with a few of america's past track records, we find those that they labelled 'Terrorists' were their 'friends' at one time; Osama bin Laden was a CIA agent; Talibans were recruited by them to fight against the Russians; Sadam was their friend and was supplied with weapons to fight Iran, Gaddafi had become their loving buddy for a while there.

Yesterday 'friends' of america, Today 'Terrorists' of the world. Alarm Bells should be ringing!
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:46 am
Of course, I also disapprove of Zionism - which I define as a belief that one has an intrinsic and inviolable right to a certain piece of land based upon religious identification or long-ago ancestry and that those of a particular religion should be in control.

"The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine has been an Islamic Waqf throughout the generations and until the Day of Resurrection....because Palestine is an Islamic Waqf throughout all generations and to the Day of Resurrection....This is the status [of the land] in Islamic Shari’a, and it is similar to all lands conquered by Islam by force, and made thereby Waqf lands upon their conquest, for all generations of Muslims until the Day of Resurrection."

That pesky Hamas Charter. Imagine believing that because your Muslim ancestors conquered a land it remains Islamic land for all time. What Muslims conquer they get to keep forever. What Jews conquer, of course, has to be given back to its original conquerors. Since only Muslims get to keep conquered land forever.

While phobias are irrational and therefore to be avoided, one can quite reasonably work up a strong dislike of such double standards and those who perpetrate them. Though I would prefer a secularist control of any region, if one must choose between Zionist control of Israel or Islamist control, I very decidedly know which I would prefer.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:30 am
Lindsey,
The secret covenant could be a fabrication or it could be someone trying to get out the message to the masses, through the internet; its not authentic as there is no author signing off. If we read the document carefully it becomes clear that everything contained in the document is completely true and relevant to the happenings in the world today. Our food, our water, our air, our medicine are all poisoned; laws which are stealing the freedom of people, Fear and hatred of neighbours and fellow human beings is being spread on the media; wars are being fought by manipulating the masses through the zionists owned medias and films depicting specific groups as 'terrorists' are flooding the entertainment houses; people are killing their own brethen for the bribe of material wealth and prestige. Sinister happenings as stated in the document is taken place all around us. Soldiers are trained to massacre and kill innocents; countries are bombed; lives of the poor and middle class has become cheap; Banksters have reduced the people to become slaves of massive debts; corruption by the rich elite is rife; i could go on and on and yes the people are walking around in a daze, not aware that they are losing everything they worked so hard for, their lives are literally being taken away from right under their noses.

I am not trying to cause division amongst people; actually ALL the people need to get together and stop this evil from happening to all us people of the world. The zionists were part and parcel of the nazis inflictions on the jewish people. Please do not try and make like i am trying to turn people against the Jews; for the True Jews themselves distance themselves from the zionist regime of israel. Just Google :Jews Against Zionism; and discover for yourselves what the True Jews have to say about the Zionism Regime of Israel; alternatively read all my postings on 'Jews against Zionism'
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:44 am
So, Mary, you now say that the "secret covenant" of the Protocols "could be a fabrication" - only after being reminded that it's a forgery. Of course, since ample proof of it being a fabrication has been well known for almost a century, the "could be" is rather unfortunate.

Wonder why you didn't make it clear when you first posted a very lengthy quotation from it that you were posting from something that quite possibly was merely a fabrication created by anti-semites? Or the second time you posted quotations from it?

I personally don't choose to post information that I know at the very least could well be false without making that fact abundantly clear from the start.
 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday September 5, 2011, 9:34 am
This scurrilous document would qualify for the BS of the year award
When I started to read it I found the usual islamic obfuscation.
“Gingrich went on to claim that “Sharia in its natural form
has principles and punishments totally abhorrent to the Western world”
This is followed by several islamic platitudes that claim kinship with Judaism and Christianity and how
honouring ones parents is a common denominator BUNKUM --- notice how the limb
amputations,beheadings,honour killings,wife beatings ,death to homosexuals.etc., etc.,have been totally
ignored
Later they attack robert spencers qualification to comment on islam,yet when he meets one of their islamic
representatives in debate they have no answers for him,just like the skipping of Gingrichs statement.
As it is we have a document full of waffle ,hot air and not much else.so I don't know what all the tut tutting is
about-It seems the most of you have not got past the title
As to sharia in american courts read the following document “sharia law and American State Courts
http://goo.gl/LtHvQ
Then we must address the authorship of the report
Quote...
Published by the Center for American progress [an organization led by lefty zealot John Podesta
and reportedly heavily funded by George Soros - a convicted felon [see, Insider trading conviction
of Soros is upheld, http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/14/business/worldbusiness/14ihtsoros.
1974397.html] on the eve of the 10th anniversary of nation's worst Muslim terrorist attack, the
document appears to be a fevered response to the significant traction being gained by the American
Laws for American Courts movement which seeks to ban the influence of foreign legal concepts
[including Shari'a] on American jurisprudence....Unquote
For those who are in any doubt about Sharia law in American courts-here is a paper on it
http://goo.gl/LtHvQ
Podestras cv (short) or comprehensive http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?
indid=1626
Former chief of staff to Bill Clinton
Podesta helped suppress numerous federal investigations into Clinton wrongdoing, and helped short-circuit
the Clinton impeachment proceedings through back room deals. Podesta worked for Senator Leahy for 8
years and believed in getting around the Constitution by gaining control of federal courts . Podesta also
assisted Leahy in pioneering the indiscriminate smearing and filibustering of any and all Republican judicial
nominees -- a practice previously unknown in Washington.
John Podesta served as opposition research director -- commonly dubbed a “dirt digger” -- for Dukakis'
1988 presidential campaign. Podesta also has served as an Independent Advisory Council member of the
notoriously corrupt community organization ACORN
Faiz Shakir- believes America should be a Muslim country ruled by Islamic law. He cannot accept the
legitimacy of the existing American Order and that Hamas and Al-quaida are pursuing legitimate objectives
After Barack Obama was elected President in 2008, Podesta and at least ten additional CAP experts served
as some of his most influential advisers.
That leaves the only conclusion that:- the muslim brotherhood , O'bama and Cap are working hand in hand
in an attempt to make irrevelant the very real fears of the American People .
FBI stats released at the end of November 2010 for 2009
Of the 1,575 victims of an anti-religious hate crime:
* 71.9 percent were victims because of an offender’s anti-Jewish bias.
* 8.4 percent were victims because of an anti-Islamic bias.
* 3.7 percent were victims because of an anti-Catholic bias.
* 2.7 percent were victims because of an anti-Protestant bias.
* 0.7 percent were victims because of an anti-Atheist/Agnostic bias.
* 8.3 percent were victims because of a bias against other religions (anti-other religion).
* 4.3 percent were victims because of a bias against groups of individuals of varying religions (anti-multiple
religions, group). (Based on Table 1.)
Out of
Jews 5,275,000 in USA
muslims (according to Obama)- 7,000,000
Muslims with greater numbers actually experience one tenth of the hate crimes experienced by jews 1133
to the muslims 132
Why do I suspect that this blatant smear report (reeks of Obama desperation,muslim brotherhood
connections and Podestra's record of indiscriminate smearing and a background of Soros funding)
is not actually kosher.
The Obama/ Soros agenda
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1276
The publication of this report is an attempt to discredit decent people
Is this really an "report" you want to laud on Care 2
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 9:55 am
Lindsey, Nice..... bring in the Fear of the BogeyMan ‘Sharia’ and pesky ‘Hamas’ and Distract the masses from the Evils of Zionists.

Passage from the Secret Covenant : “We will focus their attention toward money and material goods so they may never connect with their inner self. We will distract them with fornication, external pleasures and games so they may never be one with the oneness of it all. Their minds will belong to us and they will do as we say. If they refuse we shall find ways to implement mind-altering technology into their lives. We will use fear as our weapon. We will establish their governments and establish opposites within. We will own both sides. We will always hide our objective but carry out our plan. They will perform the labour for us and we shall prosper from their toil”

Netanyahu’s speech to the American Congress has an eerie resemblance to the above passage, members of both sides were mesmerised, in a hypnotic trance-like manner,as if they had no choice; but to give standing ovations to almost every statement he made. It was sic watching the male member grab a Woman from codepink, hurting her in the process.

Lindsey, clearly speaking I am not you. You have all the answers to everything, I dont. This document be it authentic or a forgery, floating around for almost a century as you stated , to me and I am sure if everyone else reads it carefully and ponders about the contents, will realize that it Reflects the 'Truth' of almost everything that is happening at the moment TODAY, in our world. Its thought provoking, and something I think , the masses should get to read. Give them the Choice whether to believe it or ridicule it. Its upto them, dont you think?,
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 9:59 am
Wow! that was fast, more bogeyman 'Sharia' distractors
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 10:39 am
I'm afraid it's Hamas who made the mention of "Sharia", Mary. I, of course, was merely quoting their own words in their foundational document.

If you have a problem with Sharia, perhaps you should take it up with Hamas.

And the next time I see someone on this forum criticizing another for having posted an anti-Muslim article, I shall insist that the "masses" should get to read such a "thought provoking" article and that they should have the "choice whether to believe it or ridicule it." Since just because it may be an ugly piece of anti-Muslim propoganda doesn't mean it shouldn't be promoted....

 

Tommy S. (11)
Monday September 5, 2011, 10:42 am
Well Mary P
A good book I would reccommend for yourself is "The Reliance of the Traveller" The manual of Islamic Sacred Law approved by the four schools of islamic law Hanafi,Maliku,Shafi'i,and Hanbali and it is also approved by Al-Azhar Islamic Research Academy. I never travel without mine.
Much better stuff than the protocols and gives you insight into islamic practices
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 10:46 am
I've never read "The Reliance of the Traveller", Tommy. Is it "thought provoking" and do you believe the "masses" should read it and make up their own minds about it?
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:20 am
Lindsey, you are Free to do as you please. We never relied on you to stand up against "Ugly pieces of Anti Muslim Propaganda" before so why would we rely on you now? Care2 is full of anti muslim articles and lies about islam , so your promoting islamophobia isnt going to make a difference. At least you will be creating 'Love' for yourself amongst the Hatemongers, something that they lack. We muslims Rely and Trust in GOD Almighty.Period.

Here is
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:24 am
Jews Against Zionism:
"...it is our obligation to make it known in order that everyone should understand that the Zionists are not the nation of Israel... and it is most definitely our holy obligation to announce before those nations of the world that the Zionists are not the spokespeople of the nation of Israel..." - Grand Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum


"It (labeling people 'anti-semitic') has been a handy and effective weapon which has destroyed countless careers and is responsible for the totally illegitimate Zionist regime. Zionists have cleverly suggested for a hundred years, by smearing their critics as 'anti-Semites,' that the Zionists are the legitimate conquerors of Palestine. Zionists have never actually SAID they were Semitic - just that their enemies are 'anti-Semitic.' Pretty neat...and completely dishonest. But in light of the genuine anti-Semitism of the Zionists it becomes a bizarre obscenity when these non-Semitic aliens accuse their Semitic victims of 'anti-Semitism'.

I believe this is the central issue regarding The Jewish Question. When awareness of this matter becomes more widespread, and it will now, the Zionist state will lose support even from the deluded Christians, who need Semitic-type Jews running "Israel" for the fulfillment of their bloody dreams. The Zionists will be exposed as pseudo-religious gangsters." --J. Bruce Campbell


"Once a day on average I get a letter from someone asking me how I could allow myself to be published and interviewed by Jeff Rense, the popular web and radio host who publishes way too much anti-Israel material. I have no problem answering, "Because he lets me, which is more than I can say about the mainstream Jewish media." Jeff Rense is an honest voice and he permits me to reach a huge audience of New Age Lefties, and misguided Righties bombarded with lies about Israel.

-Barry Chamish Author: Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin, The Last Days Of Israel - Israeli Edition, and Israel Betrayed
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:28 am
So what do you call these Jews Lindsey, anti-semites too.
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:33 am
Well Mary, as I have already (both on this thread and on at least 50 times throughout other threads) stated that I do not approve of Zionism, and as "these Jews", as you call them, are speaking against Zionism, I would call them "people with whom I would agree with on the issue of Zionism."
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:33 am
Lindsey dont bother answering, I really am not interested in what you and other hatemongers have to say. Take Care. Peace.
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:36 am
And I don't quite know why you would equate those who disapprove of Zionism with those who are anti-semites, Mary. Those are two separate things. Although I decidedly disapprove of Zionism, I really wouldn't call myself an anti-semite.
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:39 am
For someone who isn't interested in what I and the "other hatemongers" have to say, Mary, you certainly ask us a great many questions and seem inordinately interested in reading our comments.

But, anyway - too late. I already answered.
 

Gary A L. (133)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:40 am
tommy s you are a rightwing nut job making up (facts) as you need typical republinazi slander
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Monday September 5, 2011, 12:26 pm
What Monaca said about my presenting evidence of the Mossad connection to the events of 9/11 is true (five Mossad agents arrested on 9/11 with vans full of explosives etc) but I have never linked Jews with this God, forbid.

Zionism has nothing in common with Judaism. I have always been very specific about this. I use the analogy that a 'zionist Jew' is like a 'carnivorous vegetarian' - it simply cannot be. They are opposites in all their primary beliefs.

Muslims are instructed in the Holy Quran that the Jews are our brethren in faith. We all share the same one religion that has been developed over the years.

I do wish that you wouldn't tell me what I believe or what I "probably will say" as the rest of what you said was nonsense. This is a very weak strategy and only betrays your lack of honour and integrity.

I am not sure how the Holy Land Foundation was charged with supporting a legitimate government but I suppose when you have a state that can lie about WMD's and 9/11 and invade half a dozen innocent countries as a result of that it is not that surprising.

I thought we had heard the last of Al Qaeda (Al-CIA'da). It wasn't enough that it meant 'the toilet' in Arabic but now it is a NATO paid merc that is invading Libya side by side. You cannot use this same nonsense for everything; either it is pro-NATO or it is pro-Islamic extremist but it cannot be both now!

It is not my FBI report! CNN broke the story about a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina. It used the FBI's raw data. If anyone is interested I can post the whole thing and the link to the FBI wesite. It proves that 94% of terrorist attacks in the USA and its terratories are NOT Islamic and that even psuedo Jewish groups are more active than psuedo Islamic groups.

The report covers 1980-2005 and many of the attacks by radical Latino groups, most of which were by Omega 7 were mainland USA; 1/13/1980 New York, NY; 1/13/1980 Miami, FL; 3/25/1980 New York, NY; 9/11/1980 New York, NY; 12/30/1980 Hialeah, FL - and that was just for the first year. No doubt you will apologise and retract your 'error'.

Where are all your latest attacks since 2005 on American soil? There are only false flags and there haven’t even been many (if any) of those since 2001. All the ones you listed were pathetic attempts at false flaggery. In any case; show me where in the Holy Quran Islam permits harming innocents if you are going to generalise about Muslims. You cannot because it is categorically forbidden for a Muslim to harm even one innocent.

These filthy hate-mongers (Spencer et al) are encouraging what action exactly? How will it help the world if I am hated by the majority of strangers? Do you hope I will get beaten or stabbed when I leave a mosque? If that happens it may encourage my less magnanimous brothers to defend our sisters and themselves and that will beget more violence; that is why we want to tell the truth about this liars. No good can come of breeding hate and pointless divisions. Why can't we all just get aong?
 

(0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 12:26 pm
First off, I agree with Steve Walt on this, there has been quite an effort to demonize anyone who happens to practice the Muslim faith as having an agenda to overthrow the United States. When you add any criticism of Israel into the mix, you are either labelled a terrorist supporter, an antisemite or self hating Jew. The most common reason given by those claiming that there is a Islamic movement to overthrow the United States usually claim it is due to religion or their hate of our freedoms, conveniently forgetting all the crap the US and other countries rained down on their head. David Horowitz is certainly a promoter of Islamophobia and it doesn't have to be a conspiracy theory to agree with this. Read any of his stuff. Go visit his project websites like Jihadwatch, NGO Monitor and Front Page Magazine. I think including Daniel Pipes in this is going a little to far. I think he is just confused.

Scott is right in the money making statement. Look at Robert Spencer, David Horowitz's lackey. He went from being a librarian to a Middle East expert who some on Care2 claim he advises Presidents (got a good laugh at that one).

Let us remember that these type of people who feed on instilling fear come from all ethnicity, all backgrounds and from diverse financial circumstances.

Pam, unfortunately I cannot post on just good things and turn a blind eye on the oppression of a whole population and denial of fundamental, inalieanble human rights.

Monica - so nice of you giving us paragraphs of essentially bashing other posters. You don't have to like or agree with what they say, but your condescending rant is over the top. For the rest of your post, all I can say are you the one accusing others of conspiracy theories??? Muslims crying out against terror, yes, actually they are. You obviously just don't seem to look for articles with messages of peace. In addition, your whole post seems pretty hateful, stereotypical and seem to be championing for this US versus them rhetorical. That is the last thing the world needs.

Mary, I hope that you are not quoting the Protocols. It is not factual as Lindsey stated. This blanket labelling of Zionists bothers me greatly. There are many types of Zionism some which advocate for living and working in harmony side by side. I take offense at the brand of Zionism that the Israeli government practices which seems to be the "greedy, I want it all" type of Zionism, but let's leave religion out of this struggle. The whole conflict is about land, plain and simple, land. It never was about Judaism and Islam. To continue on in this vein and make it a religious issue is deceptive and downright wrong. To bring religion into every issue is offensive to many people who do not share the same faith as you. This does cause division and discord. By posting the Protocols which is untrue not only promotes non factual material, but also makes me suspect of other things posted. Unless you were quoting it in order to show that it was a forgery, there was absolutey no reason for you to post it. It seems that you were posting it by trying to pass it off as fact, which it is not. I spend a lot of time defending the Muslim faith, distortion of the Quran, distortion of people's faith, but to have something proven false to be posted while promoting love and peace makes me question your motives.

The Hamas Charter of 1988 is disgusting, but on the other hand the early plans of the pre-State of Israel were just as disgusting and some current ethnic cleansing done by the Israelis is equally disgusting. Bombs lobbed over the fence, disgusting, flying over the world's largest open air prison also disgusting. This could go back and forth for eternity about who did what to whom. It is time for the parties to sit down and negotiate a just, fair peace based on International Law and agreements signed between both parties. To turn this into a religious struggle will do nothing but complicate a fairly straight forward issue.

The Sharia law issue. I have no idea why anyone even spends time on arguing this. As Chris Christie (who usually is not my favorite person) stated correctly "this is craziness". People can demand whatever they want, I want the government to give me a million dollars, do you think that is really going to happen? Our courts will not allow Sharia law to rule anything. The United States - clear separation between State and Church and even though the Supreme Court is kind of shaky right now, I cannot even begin to visualize them letting this one past them. If that is the case, might as well hang up your hat.

Mary, did you listen to Bibi's speeech? I really don't think that there is anything in what he said that reeks of the Secret Covenent. I certainly don't recall the fornification part, and I think I would have remembered that one.

My point is you can distort anything you want easily without throwing religion into the mix. I have a problem when every issue becomes a religous argument of love and peace. To me it looks more like passive aggressiveness.

Mary, I also have a problem with you suggesting that Lindsey has called anyone an antisemite? I see no evidence of this. Lindsey usually never agrees with me on this issue, but has never once made any kind of racist comment nor, to my knowledge has never called people antisemitic for them expressing their opinion. The Protocols are antisemitic. There truly is antisemitism in the world, just as islamophobia and racism against African American does. I agree that it is often used to stiffle criticism against government policy, but I have never once seen Lindsey make this accusation. It makes me wonder why you continue to bandy about the Protocols when it is clearly not a product of "Zionists" as you call it. This is kind of a no brainer and has been accepted as a forgery for quite some time.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Monday September 5, 2011, 3:39 pm
Hi Margaret. I don't look at this Secret Covenant as a genuine or false document. Who wrote it doesn't matter; even if it was written by Alex Jones! I can see the crimes happening but this has no resemblance at all to Judaism, which is a true faith with its Holy Torah, its prophets (peace be upon them) being originally from God. All true adherents are impeccable souls but just like every large religion, there are imposters.

The best way to slander a group is from the inside of it. That is why we must cling tightly to our teachings and know that those who disobey the Teachings do not represent them. I know this sounds blindingly obvious but it is amazing how many fall for this old trick. I am always so careful about expressing my love for genuine Jews because any criticisms of Israeli policy or zionist politicians or corporations brings these types of accusations as a ploy to fog issues, avoid questions and generally ruin people. It is true that some of the ringleaders of this NWO are zionists but it makes no difference to me what they call themselves.

This Covenant should only bring wrath upon the people who work towards fulfilling its evil. It even says that they will hide amongst many organisations. There is bound to be some of its schemers camouflaged as Muslims. Some within the Saudi and Bahraini monarchies have been responsible for divisions and atrocities; there is no way of knowing yet; we must look to the deeds of a person and not at their heritage; there also may be devout Muslims in those families.

Whoever is caught implementing these heinous crimes must be prevented from repeating them. But we must not generalise about anyone; we must treat individuals just as we find them. I am not against Zionism in a blanket way because there are some members that have not offended me such as Judge Goldstone; I have mentioned him several times in good light. I cannot even say I hate all Nazis because some of them did their best to be kind hearted during the war. I cannot blame all the kids in Iraq who are slaughtering my brothers and sisters and their children for no reason; maybe some of them are trying to be responsible soldiers even in that obscene situation - many have repented their crimes. Because I am a Muslim I do not fear death or my fellow man; I only fear disappointing God. It is different for these young men who have been conditioned and have no faith or knowledge of a hereafter or a Day of Judgement. We have to try to take people as we find them and not paint them all with a thin brush, which is very tempting. God will judge them.

There is an ancient faith among some of the globalist elite (Rothschild's and Rockefellers et al) that can be traced back to Babylonian times and beyond who are worshipers of Abaddon. The Rockefeller foundation alone owns half of the world's wealth and yet there are still young children dying of hunger in the dust. This shows how evil some can be. Many rules were broken in our Holy Books to get that rich. There are those, who like the elite Nazis, believe they are descendants of the old races of Atlantis, the 'chosen people'. Islam does not make such distinctions of race, our nature defines us. The arrogant ones are wretched and foolish because they have traded their only diamond for coal. There are Scriptures that tell how to get every material success in just five minutes work plus your soul - this is the worth of the worldly pleasures - five minutes buys it all if you are willing to trade your soul (don't even bother asking!). This pleasure is just delusion; it is all over in a flash compared with eternity.

I have nothing against the zionists that just wanted to settle down in a homeland of their own. Of course, this is wholly against the Jewish faith but no one is obliged to obey God; we have freewill. It would be nice if those who leave a religion don't profess to still be a part of it but it is their right. I just wish that my beautiful Jewish brethren wouldn't get the blame for the Israeli policies and for the deceit, bloodshed, usury and every other foulness of the satanic elite.

WW3 has always been the goal, ever since 1871. What Albert Pike had planned got realised against all sanity and humanity. I believe our leaders today are still trying desperately to make their satanic NWO happen.

I am sure you will forgive that I bring religion into everything; I cannot see it another way. Please feel free to say it as you see it Margaret, I love progressive and well meaning criticism. The way I see it, Lucifer got arrogant, got cast out and swore to take everyone to Hell because of it. God said he cannot have the pious ones and they agreed. This criminally oversimplified explanation of that event explains it all to me. This is what we are now playing out - there is a battle going on for every single one of our souls. A Third World War and NWO will be used to pave the way for the antichrist, the economy will finally turn to dust and the 666 microchip implant (contract) mark of the beast will become mandatory (it is currently available voluntarily (see the adverts for it on YouTube). In all that adversity, all but the heavily religious and superstitious will not accept it;

Fortunately, God has two aces up His sleeve; the Mahdi (alayhi s-salām) and the Second Coming of Jesus (peace be upon him). They will unite and so will all the true believers. After the Last Day there will be peace for all who enjoined good and forbid evil, masha'Allah. (sorry for over-simplifying; it is an epic prophesy).
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 4:26 pm
Got it. Now I understand why it matters not that the writer(s) of this forgery were lying anti-semites who created a book that was used for over 100 plus years as a weapon against the Jewish people.

The end justifies the means. Lies and forgeries and public frauds are acceptable if they promote a supposedly higher agenda.

Seems we have indeed learned valuable lessons from the Bush years....
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 4:38 pm
"....All this was inspired by the principle--which is quite true within itself--that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying...."

Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
 

patrica and edw jones (190)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:13 pm
Golly - Adolf was more on the mark than we imagined. How easy it is to distort the truth - which is always the first casualty of both peace and war. People are like blotting paper and instead of seeking for themselves and drawing their own conclusions and contemplating both sides of the coin - they follow whatever sets their imaginations on fire. And so it is with this thread - Mary on her platform of promoting Islam and Scott Freeloader et al agreeing with her baaaa baaaa baaaa..... you all seem to thrive on hatred of anything that is not ISLAM - which in itself lacks compassion, promotes hatred and fear and brings dreadful curses to lay upon it's votaries. Following this crap you will never see the stars - only the mud!!! shabbat shalom.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Monday September 5, 2011, 7:41 pm
I made no distinction as to where the Secret Covenant came from. I said that very obviously. I will say it again; whatever names you want to call the authors does not interest me; those are your words not mine. I am strongly in support of Judaism as my faith Teaches and my heart agrees. There is plenty of evidence on Care2 of my consistent defence of Judaism whenever I see it under fire.

The fact is I have known the content is true (other than this NWO has no ties to Judaism or genuine Semite people) for many years through a variety of different sources and from my own observations. The Baphomet (Satan) worshipers who sometimes use evil magic from Cabal could not be more different from the true servants of G-d.

I laid the blame for the list of crimes mentioned squarely at whoever the individuals concerned were and was so careful not to blame any group or organisation and I warned against such generalisations with extreme caution because of people crying that I don't like Judaism.

These deluded souls are well hidden and I even said they are likely even to be hiding amongst my own religion.

I knew exactly what strategy you might use if I wasn't being obsessively careful not to get labelled a hater. But you somehow manage to get "anti-Semite" in there anyway in some guise. Sorry but your attempt to fog the truth with that old china does not wash on this occasion.


'Jewish' has much confusion for many people - does it mean Judaism or people from Judea? Most people if pushed will agree it is both. Not all believers are serious about their respective religions.

I suppose someone could have invented this out of spite and the perfect accuracy of every crime listed was just a 'lucky guess' - but it is not really possible, it is too accurate in my opinion. Almost all its (really wild) claims are now provable and the rest are to the point of being near certain. Perhaps they were as you say anti-Semites or Nazis, perhaps this is a real Nazi agenda. It is possible because both banking families were funding both sides of both wars.

No one denies the haters exist. There are even Jews in Israel having a really tough time being persecuted there because of their orthodox religious and moral beliefs. I can show you video if you doubt it.

But if this document was written by someone other than the NWO and it is a forgery it is certainly written by someone who had access to a vast quantity of their most precious secrets. It is still possible that no harm was intended to other Jews by this Covenant being attributed to the Rothschild's and Rockefeller's as there is no doubt that there are factions within these two families that have swindled every honest working man on Earth from the riches he deserved. Most times when someone is identified it includes their country of origin or state. If it was as you say, just to make propaganda (and I understand that because of all the rot about Islam) then I think we have to not accept the Jewish references to those two families and still circulate this same document without the heading that names the banksters. In fact, it wouldn't make much difference because every conspiracy website on the internet has their names on it! (please don't bother to try to prove me wrong on that literally).

What is also possible is that this was indeed leaked from a genuine source and it was the very same cry "anti-Semite" nonsense that many other 'pro-Israeli-no-matter-what-people' have used even recently to evade and fog justifiable criticism directed at some heinous Israeli policy from people of impeccable character. For example, some will answer your question regarding the justification of using live phosphorous on a UN school with "you're only saying that cos you hate Jews" (the old ones are the best).

I didn't really want to have to go into this more deeply; I was clearly quite happy to ignore any possibility that this was genuine in the hope that some of the content was discussed but I see once again we have to play the 'untouchable' card. It is true I won't ever understand how many people suffered horribly in the labour/death camps but if we cannot put the brakes on this NWO we are all going to get front row seats to the next instalment. Don't think for a minute any of you haters on Islam will escape the death camps; you can see on this document they are going to stitch you up too - the Devil is aka the Deceiver didn't you know? So let's face necessary questions or we are all in serious trouble. Our silence and caution is not going to save the oppressed children in Gaza either and it won't stop Israel from starting WW3 and the end of Israel altogether (or didn't you know that is the plan - think about it - gather all the religious people in one place and get Iran to cremate them - all dead on both sides; listen to Mr. Pike! Do you think they will tell you when? To those that hate on Islam from Israel for the cause, you are just marketing personnel, you are not needed once it kicks off. 95% population reduction... are you really the top most loved 5 out of 100? Will you bet your life on their honesty?

It is time to 'man up' and ask awkward questions to those who own more than half the world and find out why those children in Somalia are starving to death every six minutes after their economic hitmen nuked their country and the International Misery Fund vacuumed up the debris, leaving these poor children only dust to die in.

It time to give your consciences a break and do the right thing. Let's just love one another until our Beloved Allah (Azza wa Jall) is ready to take us home.

PS. Your Hitler Quote is very apt; it is likely was inspired by these same people. The Nazis and the NWO are intricately connected in certain areas. From the Covenant - " An illusion it will be, so large, so vast it will escape their perception. Those who will see it will be thought of as insane." Sounds awfully similar to me...
 

monica r. (41)
Monday September 5, 2011, 8:58 pm
Gary A L,

I fail to see why my comments were "disturbing" or "bigoted". Unless you are a "truther" conspiracy theorist, you accept that radical extremist Muslims hijacked the planes, which did exist, and contained real people, with real families, and those people did die. It WAS NOT Zionists who hijacked the planes.

All the terrorists I mentioned were either attempted or carried out terror plots. The terror acts and people who did them are a matter of public record. It is what it is. These are all documentable facts, not some work of fiction like Mary quotes as fact.

Furthermore, I continually decry the daily terror perpetrated by Muslim extremists by way of jihad, which costs the lives of ordinary, just trying to live their lives Muslims literally every day. Yes, also Christians and Buddhists, and other faiths are killed, but the majority of their victims are Muslims. So I show more concern for ordinary Muslims, the dads and moms and kids, shop keepers, teachers, etc, than do Mary and Scott and their ilk. I have yet to see them acknowledge these atrocities, let alone say they should stop!

As an example, Scott insists that no Muslim, in all of history, has ever committed a rape. I doubt anyone from any religion or atheism would try to claim that. And it is a ridiculous statement. But he made it right here on Care2. This kind of all-or-nothing thinking where it is impossible to concede that someone of your faith can do anything wrong ever is not productive. And it makes no more sense than saying every member of a given faith is evil or something, which is not true of course. For example, you wouldn't say NO priests are pedophiles, but you can't fairly say ALL priests are pedophiles. Both are fallacies. The truth is in the middle somewhere. Scott is extremely verbose, Mary less so, but both have this pie-in-the-sky childish naivete about them (or they are liars) because they can't seem to imagine anyone of their faith doing something bad, ever.



And Mary,

I get my news from multiple sources, but I don't even own a TV, so don't go off on me about I get my news from MSM. Trust me, I do not. And I am a huge critic of Fox news also (cause you'll say that next), which I don't watch. I read a LOT of Muslim sources, which I will mention because I am psychic and I sense you will next say I get my news from hate sites (jk - not really psychic, you just always say the same things).




Scott F:
"I don't look at this Secret Covenant as a genuine or false document. Who wrote it doesn't matter"

Of course it does! If it was written by a historian, or a scientist, vs say, Stephen King or some fiction writer, that speaks to genre. It speaks to the reliability of the writing (real or fake? "consider the source" means look at who wrote it). This principle explains why it was a problem that "Dubya" was getting "scientific" advice on climate, not from someone like NASA's James Hansen, but from the novelist Michael Crichton. And so yes, it DOES matter who wrote it.
 

. (0)
Monday September 5, 2011, 10:42 pm
"....Who wrote it doesn't matter; even if it was written by Alex Jones!..."

Which was the point I was making. That lies and deceptions and forgeries will be acceptable to promote the agenda. That bearing false witness (and since it isn't a record of any meeting of a Zionist cabal the author did indeed bear false witness) is acceptable if it furthers an agenda. That perpetrating a public fraud is acceptable if it furthers an agenda.

As Monica points out the identity of an author of what is purportedly a non-fiction and supposedly true happening matters greatly. If, say, a biography of Martin Luther King, Jr. is written that accuses him of wanting to destroy white culture and establish a black dictatorship in the U.S., the credibility of the book will be quite seriously compromised if it is found to have been written by the Grand Kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan claiming falsely to have been a civil rights activist who was a member of King's inner circle.

Strangely enough I assumed that good Muslims disapproved of falsehoods, especially monumental ones. Perhaps I was mistaken.
 

Mary P. (157)
Monday September 5, 2011, 11:58 pm
All People of the World, Please

Read the 'Message' of the Secret Covenant.

Forget about the messenger.

Forget about who wrote It.

Forget about the Zionists.

Forget about those who are attacking me for posting it.

This document which was written over a Decade Ago predicts everything that is actually
Happening in Todays World,

That is the Importance of this 'Message' from the Secret Covenant.

Its affecting every single person walking the earth.

Chaos. Bloodbaths, Poisons, Poverty, Diseases, Debts, Hate, Wars, Destruction of the Earth,
People and Peoples Minds.


Be Aware, Think, Don't Allow Control over your Minds and YOUR Lives.

 

. (0)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 12:03 am
Mary, if you're going to promote something you might want to learn more about the something you're promoting.

Yes, the Protocols were indeed written "over a decade ago". In fact, they were written over a century ago (in 1903).
 

Mary P. (157)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 4:00 am
Thank You Lindsey for correction. Much appreciated.

People of the world here is a document written in 1903 (thanks Lindsey), wherein every it says is absolutely relevant to the Reality of todays World.

Read my next posting which will SHOW you 'how' the CONTENTS of the Secret Covenant applies to Happenings in todays world.

Take Care People of the World.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 7:15 am
Monica. I am flattered that you have to make up ridiculous lies about me in order to find fault. I notice that you didn't provide any evidence or link to your false claims. I have no idea which exact post you are referring to but I am guessing it was something like the following, which I keep stating because rascals like to spread hatred to the perfect faith of Islam based on the actions of those who ignore its primary principles and engage in exactly what is categorically forbidden.

If I am very careful to be precise, (you said 'verbose') it is because I have learnt that if I leave any slight ambiguity, no matter how small, it is jumped upon by petty people who wish to malign both the Holy Teachings and its sincere adherents and purposefully misunderstand in order to fog the issues.

In the past I have explained that Islam is not responsible for telling people to rape others and therefore the Teachings are not responsible for rapes carried out even if the filthy sinner is professing to be Muslim. Just as one cannot pretend to be a vegetarian while eating meat, a sinner cannot pretend to be a Muslim while sinning.

A Muslim means 'One who submits [to the Will of God]'. It is obviously not God's will that people commit rape or any other sin and no such person who sins in this way can say that they are submitting to God's Will or that they are one of God's loyal servants.

Muslim and Arab are not synonymous - if you sin to that extent the honour of the description 'Muslim' cannot be applied to you.

Muslim is not a name, we all have a name already. It is an honorary description which is earnt through dedication and consistent practice of Shariah. Islam is not like Christianity in that simply 'believing' is enough.

To be Muslim one has to practice Islam and observe its lifestyle and principles which are not at all ambiguous. It is an all encompassing path; everything one does is in service to God; we eat, sleep, work, play and even breathe for God.

This is why is it called The Straight Path; as soon as one wanders from it, that soul is no longer 'One who submits'.
 

Scott Freewheeler (45)
Tuesday September 6, 2011, 11:38 pm
The Secret Covenant was leaked by an unknown person. We are all agreed there is no doubt of that I hope. If it is genuine, the one who leaked it is clearly going to be murdered by the others; the covenant testifies to this several times; "... bound by blood and secrecy. Death will come to he who speaks."
So there are no witnesses to its being written and no proof of its author. There is no note with it to explain its existence.

Thus I think it is entirely obvious that we all have previously accepted that it is only possible to take it as it is; without any credentials or presumed authenticity. Why are you arguing with us on this? I am doing your job for you!

So please, let's cease with making a fuss about its authenticity; no one has made any wild claims.


Here are two ways to verify something;

1. The author is proven to be absolutely honest and a leading authority on the subject matter (credentials) and was privy to the relevant experience.

2. All or almost all of the facts presented by an un-credentialed source can be proven to be true.

In the first instance, we are still sticking our neck out believing new content based on his historical integrity. He certainly is worth checking out but it is best to keep some reservations.

In the second example it is the facts themselves that lend credibility to the document. This is safer although even if 99% is true, one cannot assume the last 1% is also but again, just as in the first example, it is certainly worth further investigation.

The statements made of the covenant that cannot be entirely proven must be kept in mind because of the overwhelming veracity of the other facts, most of which were not known or were not in place until many years after its creation. Many of these statements would have been extremely hard to believe at the time and I would not have wanted to stand by this covenant in front of my piers even 25 years ago because everyone would have mocked it and me ruthlessly.

When one can consistently 'predict' the future it would be very foolish not to take heed of further cautionary advice from that same source. It is for these reasons alone that this document is a weighty topic of great importance and it should certainly not be dismissed out of hand, purely on the grounds of its mysterious origins.
 
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