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People Are Getting Mad Just Because Some State 'Forgot' To Count 500,000 Votes. Whatever.


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JL
- 623 days ago - upworthy.com
Arizona tried to ignore 500,000 votes. And tried to force all minority voters to vote provisionally, so their votes might not count. I'll let Rachel explain.



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Michael Kirkby (83)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 6:24 am
The people have spoken and the POTUS has been chosen. If there was any malfeasance it's too late now. You could pull what Gore and the Democrats did but then you would just be showing the world how childish you are. What a bust Gore is. Talk about a bloated, privileged lizard. I had more respect for Clinton and that isn't saying much; not that I had much respect for the Bushes either.
You could impeach him if you could find a viable case that had veracity and substance and if you could coax the Trilateral Commission and the CFR and the big corporations behind the Super Pacs to go along with you. I'm sure there are people out there who would love to JFK him. I doubt that's a viable option.
How about putting aside your differences; show the world how mature you are by working together whenever possible and solving the problems at hand. The people have issues that need to be dealt with. The people want viable jobs. How will you create them? The national environment needs to be cleaned up. There is the issue of immigration. It is the economy you imbeciles and the national health and welfare of the nation at stake. The US is a great country. It needs to stop meddling in everyone else's affairs for a change and deal with its own problems. How about governing for the people since it was by the people who elected you? You are the world leader after all and a leader needs to lead by example.
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:24 am
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Dorothy N. (63)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 11:38 am
Gore won the election - Bush stole it.

Pointing this out is hardly 'childish'.


Anyone who feels that people in a democracy should be deprived of their right to vote and/or not have their votes accurately counted, is hardly qualified to hold public office in a democracy, and certainly should be impeached.

Even beyond the Republican voter suppression and other cheating tactics, a HALF A MILLION VOTERS are waiting to have their votes counted in a Republican State - this is NOT all right, and one of the first problems that needs to be addressed is the ability of States to get away with electoral cheating, and another is re-passing laws that prevent the knowing propagation of falsehood as 'news' in manipulating vulnerable people to act against their own interests and those of others to suit the purposes of the most unscrupulous and powerful few.

Assuming the US still wants to pass as a democracy, rather than a banana Republic, which I believe most Americans would prefer...
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:00 pm
My! My! Could this mean President Obama won by an even greater margin" Mandate! This election belongs to the people and "We" had better make sure it goes well this time around..Mandate..
 

William F. (5)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:02 pm
Many people on the Left were disappointed with little effort Gore put into fighting the results before he conceded. But actually, I think that was a very good move on his part.

I don't think it was likely that he would have prevailed, and it would have sent a message that America was not a united country (a message similar to the one sent by the wave of sucessionist petitions that I've seen recently -- I am pleased to see that neither Romney, nor any of the Republican governor are supporting them).

My personal take is that the 2000 election was within the margin of error of the election process. In my opinion, it probably "should" have been a Gore victory, but it was clearly quite close.
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:10 pm
Gore modeled statesman behavior that other politicians could serve the country better would they emulate him instead of the reverse. You cannot currently send a star to William because you have done so within the last week.
 

Barbara W. (342)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:20 pm
Shared your post J.L. at:

ALERT: 2012 Voting Machines Caught Altering Votes TODAY

http://www.care2.com/news/member/101960828/3481329
 

Mary Donnelly (47)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:39 pm
Thanks J.L. A. I hope better procedures are in place next time.
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:43 pm
Thanks Barbara!
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Tom Edgar (56)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 1:54 pm
You call America a Democracy? That is where the people have input into their country's affairs. Not just at democratic elections, and the U S doesn't appear to have even that. In Australia we have compulsory voting which means as near as damn 100% of the registered voters get to vote. Votes are MANUALLY counted, with scrutiny by representatives of the Parties, and in most electorates the decision is known by the following day.
Additionally we have a preferential system where, in the event that the leader doesn't have an absolute majority the voters second preferences are allocated. thus negating the need for separate elections where the absolute losers are eliminated.
 

Joanne Dixon (37)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:01 pm
Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (D, NY) has introduced the Voter Empowerment Act into the Senate. “The Voter Empowerment Act would expand access to voting by modernizing the voter registration process, allowing online and same-day registration AROUND THE COUNTRY (emphasis mine - JD). This bill would make sure that provisional ballots are available and are counted at all polling locations and would restore integrity to our voting process by setting standards for voting machines, which require voters to receive confirmation of their vote so they can be assured the vote they cast was in fact counted. And it would also ensure that the votes of our youth and those living or serving in the military overseas are counted.” I believe the Act would provide some good Federal standards for administering elections, and hence some uniformity.

Of course introducing an Act means little if it is going to languish in committee. So the Senator has also joined with the Democratic Governors Association to create a record of citizen support for the Act. Names can be added at http://action.kirstengillibrand.com/t/11999/petition.jsp?petition_KEY=543.

 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:07 pm
Thanks Joanne!
 

Robert S. (115)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 2:22 pm
I think this post is about the same smiling liars who think it "clever" to claim Obama not a citizen, thinking it in the same way clever to eliminate votes of valid voters so other smiling liars might win.

Sociopaths not just diagnosable but doing damage through the acting out of their disease should be prosecuted and harshly. Undermining Democracy is not a joke, but treason IMO.

Perhaps Gore thought to stem the chance of riots if he went quietly. I think riots have there place. I think when the SCOTUS committed criminal mischief. (None dare call it Treason) That was the time and place for riots. I do NOT forgive him for going quietly. Still the attack on him here, has nothing to do with the topic at hand, except that we should NOT follow his example and go quietly. And the one who attacks him, oddly things we should move on now....This is still happening because we just moved on last time, and the time before it, etc. This is not about who won the Presidential race. Thats over. This is about our Election system and a Senate seat?... And something should be done, now to hold people accountable.

Funny, Not, how an off topic comment right up front can highjack a thread.
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:01 pm
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Past Member (0)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:04 pm
LOL I knew exactly what this post was. I think AZ takes over from SC as the most bat sh*t crazy state.

But this probably means Obama won AZ to boot! lol Super Mandate!
 

jan b. (3)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:09 pm
Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris removed tens of thousands of likely Al Gore voters from casting ballots through a sub-contracted "caging" project. Let's not forget past history.....It tends to repeat itself.
It's just another part of the 2000 election fiasco.
The State of Florida's statutorily mandated purge list, compiled by a private firm, was provided to county supervisors of elections with names that were inexact matches.
The data provided demonstrated that this list had a 14.1 percent error rate. Many Floridians who were registered and voted in past elections were informed for the first time on November 7, 2000, that their names had been removed prior to Election Day.
These individuals (all Democrats) were given no opportunity to appeal this determination. An official of the Division of Elections dictated to representatives of the private firm to employ a strategy that resulted in a disproportionate number of eligible African Americans voters being removed from the voter registration rolls in error. In fact, one local supervisor of elections, who had never been convicted of a felony, received a letter stating that she was identified as a convicted felon.
Read more: Why did Jeb Bush and Katherine Harris deny over 50000 eligible citizens their right to vote in 2000? | Answerbag http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/490760#ixzz2CKs8tG6s



 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:12 pm
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Dandelion G. (382)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:47 pm
I am so PROUD of those students! They are making the Democracy work! GOOD FOR THEM!

I wish they'd show Rachel's program here in Florida, we need students just like them!
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 3:55 pm
Yes--some civics/government/history teachers taught them well along with instilling a sense of civic responsibility Dandelion--and the students and their mentors deserve lots of kudos!
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Kamila A. (141)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:20 pm
Let freedom ring!!! We the People elected Obama as our president by a wide margin, no matter how hard they try to obstruct, steal, cheat their way, they lose....we win!!! They are losers and cheats and thieves, and they are imploding upon themselves. Life is good these days, watching the insane drown in their own insaniTEA.
 

Dianna M. (13)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:23 pm
"You could pull what Gore and the Democrats did but then you would just be showing the world how childish you are."--And Norm Coleman was the epitome of adulthood? (Al Franken, Minnesota, 2009, in case you've forgotten.)

And let's not forget how graciously Allen West is taking his defeat. Oh, yeah, the GOP is just chock-full of role models for adult behavior.
 

Kazue O. (14)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:54 pm
Signed and Noted!
 

Kazue O. (14)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:54 pm
Interesting!
 

Kazue O. (14)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 4:55 pm
I am so proud!
 

Michael M. (5)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 5:41 pm
Ignorant fools like Michael Kirkby seem to forget that Gore actually got MORE votes then King Bush the 2nd. Of course facts are irrelevant of idiot gop pigs like himself.

Secondly, why are you t-bag a$$holes so afraid to actually count all the votes? Maybe it's the fraud you in the gop talk about but are actually the ones committing the voting fraud?
 

Jim Phillips (3215)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 5:55 pm
The "500,000" votes are in Arizona.
The count has been "delayed", forgotten mainly because of the Sherrif Joe Arpaio, 80, pointed to a hard-fought election for Sheriff Arpaio, 80, whose jurisdiction is Maricopa County. Just this year, he has been on trial over allegations of civil rights violations against Latinos, who accused him of targeting them in raids and traffic stops. The Justice Department sued him on the same grounds, and other lawsuits have been filed, by inmates and inmates’ families, claiming mistreatment in the county jails.

Ty, J.
.
 

JL A. (272)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 7:27 pm
You cannot currently send a star to Dianna because you have done so within the last week.(Nice tongue in cheek).
Michael I think you misunderstood the Canadian Michael.
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Karen Marion (29)
Thursday November 15, 2012, 8:27 pm
wow......the more things change,,,,,,,the more they stay the SAME...
 

Anthony Hilbert (6)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:23 am
I had thought that the Repubs might be ashamed of their tricks to screw with the will of the people, but judging by the comments here, they think it's all good clean politics and we shouldn't complain.

So along with being in the Third World class for education and healthcare, America can now join the banana republics for election standards.

Somebody in some conservative think tank must have noticed that the poorer and more oppressed the country, the better the 1% live, and decided that was the way to take America.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:05 am
The presidential vote is not the only vote held on November 6th and cast into doubt in Arizona, especially in Maricopa County (Phoenix area), by the extraordinary number of provisional votes cast, the many reports of procedural errors and improprieties at some polling places, the slow pace of counting those votes and the early ballots coupled with premature calling of races by election officials, as well as the media, the lack of real assurance that all provisional ballots will be assessed for validity and, if valid, counted (along with a widespread suspicion among voters that they will not be counted), and pre-election misinformation distributed to Spanish language voters only by County election officials. The integrity of the vote - all votes - is at stake in Arizona, and in other states, too. Could it be that, as Arizona goes, so goes the Union?
 

James Maynard (66)
Friday November 16, 2012, 8:52 am
Right now we have a Fifty (50) States plus territories
election full of flaws and opportunities to do wrong.
What we need is a United States Federal Election
with standards and clarity and a legitimate paper
trail.

Thanks Joanne, I signed Kirsten's petition!
 

Mike and Janis B. (7)
Friday November 16, 2012, 2:08 pm
Isn't the US a place of oxymorons not just Republican morons. Clean and politics are not possible with this fraud going on. While we deplore the first past the post as the government doesn't represent the people very well either if this kind of fraud went on people would be jailed.
 

Past Member (0)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:23 pm
Arizona
Details »

5:45 p.m. ET, Nov 13

Mitt Romney 54%


Barack Obama 45%
(Incumbent)
Votes

1,108,503 R

901,035 O

Est. 85% in means there are 1.7 million voters. 700k to count. 75% to Obama gives him 1,526,035..Romney 1,283,503.
Quite the election fraud!
 

JL A. (272)
Friday November 16, 2012, 3:42 pm
Thanks for exemplifying with the current data Jason! You cannot currently send a star to Jason because you have done so within the last week.
 

Myron Scott (70)
Friday November 16, 2012, 4:11 pm
As I tried to make clear, the main concern expressed by Arizona Dem's, Hispanics and progressives was not the POTUS race. "Little" things like the reelection - to an unprecedented sixth term at an age of at least eight decades - of America's "Toughest" - and most racist? - Sheriff, several ballot propositions, and the reelection of one woman member of the US House, one new US Senator, and the election of, apparently, the first woman bisexual non-religious member of the US House, Kyrsten Sinema. Those last two women won, and I'm happy they did win. But Sheriff Joe Arpaio was declared the winner election night with a lower margin of votes than the number of uncounted ballots in Maricopa County. ("Oh, most wicked speed...!")
 

JL A. (272)
Friday November 16, 2012, 4:57 pm
Myron, I think most readers understand your valid concerns as expressed. I know I find it hard knowing what to say and how to respond without more of the "on the ground" information like what Jason added for us. In CA when elections are certified, the results sometimes differ from what got called on election night--especially if it was media making the call and not officials.
 
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