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I Just Called The NRA...And Got A Smug, Disgusting Response

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His smug words -- dripping with contempt -- were: 'We don't have anything to apologize for.' After explaining how the NRA's lobbying efforts lead to more gun deaths in the United States than any other country on Earth, he repeated his talking point & th

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JL A (281)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 3:37 pm
Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:29 AM PST
I Just Called The NRA...And Got A Smug, Disgusting Response

by james321Follow

I have worked as an educator in both the United States and Latin America. In every single place in which I have worked, I have interacted with students who have lost family members to gun violence, who have shed tears at the mere sight of a gun. I have lost students to gun violence. Today's atrocity in Connecticut could not make me more upset. And, I'm ready to begin the conversation, NOW.

I just called the NRA's Institute for Legislative Action Grassroots Division in an effort to express my horror at their continued facilitation of these atrocities through immoral lobbying efforts. I called this number:

You may also contact us by phone at (800) 392-VOTE (8683), Monday-Friday, between the hours of 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m., EST.

After pressing number four to speak to a representative, I was put on hold -- for just a few seconds -- and then spoke to a rather smug unidentified man.

I asked him if the NRA would be apologizing for yet another atrocity facilitated by their actions. His smug words -- dripping with contempt -- were: 'We don't have anything to apologize for.' After explaining how the NRA's lobbying efforts lead to more gun deaths in the United States than any other country on Earth, he repeated his talking point and then hung up on me.

The NRA has no shame, and it has no good argument for its actions for they are immoral, disgusting and inhumane actions.

And that is why the NRA's only response to folks like you and me who may call them to express our contempt is very hang up. And pretend that elementary school kids and their teachers were not just shot to death by weapons of mass destruction. Available to anyone online, at the convention center, or at the corner shop.

I encourage you to call the NRA today -- they need to hear from us. The conversation needs to start now. It is never too soon.

And, Barack Obama, we're waiting for your support, too.

9:53 AM PT: CBS is reporting 27 people dead, including 14 students. Shame on our country -- we can all do more to put pressure on our politicians to demand real gun control.

Originally posted to james321 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:29 AM PST.
Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

John B (185)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:47 pm
Thanks J.L. Read earlier today. Post noted. I will be calling the NRA tomorrow.

JL A (281)
Sunday December 16, 2012, 7:53 pm
John--I'd love you to tell us what kind of a response you get! Hmmmmmmm...can Care2 max out their phone lines I wonder?
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Past Member (0)
Tuesday December 18, 2012, 9:01 am
Can't say I'm surprised, but for those of us who want to change the gun control laws, this is what we're up against. And I think it's safe to say-we ain't seen nothing yet! How about the people who say we need a George Zimmerman in every school? The road to any real change is going to be long and hard, we might as well be ready for that. I think it could be equated with the civil rights movement, the gun lobby and their fear-mongering is as deeply entrenched in the psyches of certain groups of citizens as racism was. And they're just as self-righteous in their justification for behavior that cannot be justified by any humane standards.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 4:17 am
Cigarettes, Alcohol, Cars, Coal Plants, manufacturers supporting sweat shops, manufactures supporting mining operations....

JL A (281)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 1:42 pm
Excellent observations Linda! Interesting that you began with the other areas ATF is responsible for John. And if the assault weapons ban had remained in effect, the AZ to Mexico gun pipeline issues would have been far different for law enforcement where the gun possession and sales would have been illegal at all points in the US.

Past Member (0)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 7:01 pm
More gun deaths than any other nation? That is a lie! The United States does not have the most gun deaths. In fact, it does not even have the most murders. The nation with the most murders actually banned guns before their murders went up. Seems more likely that guns prevent murders. Silly progressive!

JL A (281)
Wednesday December 19, 2012, 7:21 pm
Official data confirms the rates on children's gun deaths (WHO, CDC) Cris--but many prefer not to acknowledge facts such as these when they do not confirm their preferred beliefs Cris.

Robin Little (0)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 6:46 am
90% of homes in Montana are armed by legal law abiding citizens and we don't have a high violent crime rate. If you broke into my home and I met you w/ a shot gun you think you"d leave?? I wouldn't be an innocent victim. You would be in trouble...I stand by my second Amendment rights. People kill people, it is the finger and the warped sick mind of the criminal that do it.
The recent shooting was done by a demented warped person. Cars don't kill people, the driver does. Inanimate objects have to have driving force...imperfect human beings are it.

JL A (281)
Thursday December 20, 2012, 8:56 am
It is common for people who want to believe they'd be the except instead of just one more in the statistics Robin [and some would say the NRA has worked hard to get people to believe that fantasy]:
The health risk of having a gun in the home
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By Susan Perry | 12/17/12
REUTERS/Joshua Lott
The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

Having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death — and that of your spouse and children.

And it doesn’t matter how the guns are stored or what type or how many guns you own.

If you have a gun, everybody in your home is more likely than your non-gun-owning neighbors and their families to die in a gun-related accident, suicide or homicide.

Furthermore, there is no credible evidence that having a gun in your house reduces your risk of being a victim of a crime. Nor does it reduce your risk of being injured during a home break-in.

The health risks of owning a gun are so established and scientifically non-controvertible that the American Academy of Pediatrics issued a policy statement in 2000 recommending that pediatricians urge parents to remove all guns from their homes.

Notice that the recommendation doesn’t call for parents to simply lock up their guns. It stresses that the weapons need to be taken out of the house.

Study after study has been conducted on the health risks associated with guns in the home. One of the latest was a meta-review published in 2011 by David Hemenway, director of the Harvard Injury Control Research Center. He examined all the scientific literature to date on the health risks and benefits of gun ownership.

What he found was sobering, to say the least.
Accidental deaths

To begin with, having a gun in the home is a risk factor for serious accidental injury and death. As Hemenway points out, death certificate data indicate that 680 Americans were killed accidentally with guns each year between 2003 and 2007. Half those victims were under the age of 25.

Children aged 5 to 14 in the United States are 11 times more likely to die from an accidental gunshot wound than children in other developed countries.

Nonfatal gun injuries occur at the average rate of 20 a day in the United States — and that doesn’t include pellet-gun injuries (which average 45 day) or injuries that don’t involve a bullet wound (like powder burns and recoil injuries).

“One study of nonfatal accidental shootings found that the majority were self- inflicted, most involved handguns, and more than one third of the injuries required hospitalization,” writes Hemenway. “Injuries often occurred during fairly routine gun handling — cleaning a gun, loading and unloading, target shooting, and so on.”

An average of 46 Americans committed suicide with guns each day between 2003 and 2007. In fact, more Americans killed themselves with guns during those years than with all other methods combined.

Gun owners and their families are not more suicidal than non-gun-owners, research shows. No are they more likely to have a history of depression or other mental health problems.

But they — and their families — are at significantly increased risk of successfully taking their lives with a gun. The reason: Guns are more lethal than other methods.

One study found, reports Hemenway, that “in states with more guns, there were more suicides (because there were more firearm suicides), even after controlling for the percentage of the state’s population with serious mental illness, alcohol dependence or abuse, illicit substance dependence or abuse, and the percentage unemployed, living below the poverty level, and in urban areas.”

But “there was no association between gun prevalence and a state’s nonfirearm suicide rate,” he adds.

Two-thirds of all murders between 2003 and 2007 involved guns. The average number of Americans shot and killed daily during those years was 33. Of those, one was a child (0 to 14 years), five were teenagers (15 to 19 years) and seven were young adults (20 to 24 years), on average.

Children in the U.S. get murdered with guns at a rate that is 13 times higher than that of other developed nations. For our young people aged 15 to 24, the rate is 43 times higher.

“The presence of a gun makes quarrels, disputes, assaults, and robberies more deadly. Many murders are committed in a moment of rage,” writes Hemenway.

“For example, a large percentage of homicides — and especially homicides in the home — occur during altercations over matters such as love, money, and domestic problems, involving acquaintances, neighbors, lovers, and family members; often the assailant or victim has been drinking. Only a small minority of homicides appear to be the carefully planned acts of individuals with a single-minded intention to kill. Most gun killings are indistinguishable from nonfatal gun shootings; it is just a question of the caliber of the gun, whether a vital organ is hit, and how much time passes before medical treatment arrives.”

The possible health benefits of gun ownership are twofold: deterring crime and stopping crimes in progress. But there are no credible studies, says Hemenway, that higher levels of gun ownership actually do these things.

“The main reason people give for having a handgun in the home is protection, typically against stranger violence,” he writes. “However, it is important to recognize that the home is a relatively safe place, especially from strangers. For example, fewer than 30% of burglaries in the United States (2003-2007) occur when someone is at home. In the 7% of burglaries when violence does occur, the burglar is more likely to be an intimate (current or former) and also more likely to be a relative or known acquaintance than a stranger. Although people typically spend most of their time at home, only 5% of all the crimes of violence perpetrated by strangers occur at home.”

In fact, adds Hemenway, research shows that most self-defense use of guns is not socially desirable. He describes one study in which “criminal court judges from across the United States read the 35 descriptions of the reported self-defense firearm uses from 2 national surveys and found that, even if description of the event was accurate, in most of the cases, the self-defense gun use was probably illegal. Many were arguments that escalated into gun use.”
Real risks

“There are real and imaginary situations when it might be beneficial to have a gun in the home,” Hemenway concludes. “For example, in the Australian film Mad Max, where survivors of the apocalypse seem to have been predominantly psychopathic male bikers, having a loaded gun would seem to be very helpful for survival, and public health experts would probably advise people in that world to obtain guns.”

“However, for most contemporary Americans, the scientific studies suggest that the health risk of a gun in the home is greater than the benefit,” he adds. “There are no credible studies that indicate otherwise.”

Hemenway’s review appeared in the American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine and can be read in full online.

Robert O (12)
Friday December 21, 2012, 12:32 am
That sounds like the kind of response the NRA would give since I imagine their little group is comprised mostly of smug, disagreeable, disgusting people.

JL A (281)
Friday December 21, 2012, 8:02 am
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